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kastofsna120
10-23-2005, 10:41 PM
1: Matt Leinart, QB, USC
2: D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T, Virginia
3: Reggie Bush, RB, USC (junior)
4: Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame (junior)
5: AJ Hawk, LB, Ohio State
6: Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota (junior)
7: Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon (junior)
8: Winston Justice, T, USC (junior)
9: Jimmy Williams, CB, VaTech
10: Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College
11: DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis
12: Eric Winston, T, Miami
13: Marcus McNeil, T, Auburn
14: Max Jean-Giles, G, Georgia
15: Jon Scott, T, Texas

close calls: ahmad brooks, rodrique wright, derek hagan, mario williams, laron landry

thoughts?

NorthFloridaFin
10-23-2005, 10:50 PM
You don't feel either one of the FSU lb's deserve to even be a close call, come on now!!!!

kastofsna120
10-23-2005, 10:56 PM
You don't feel either one of the FSU lb's deserve to even be a close call, come on now!!!!
top 15? no way

NorthFloridaFin
10-23-2005, 11:00 PM
top 15? no way


I forgot, you're a Miami fan:D

kastofsna120
10-23-2005, 11:06 PM
i would've had cromartie top 10 if he didn't get injured. there just aren't that many good FSU players this year

and if i was a homer i would've had winston higher. as it stands, he's struggled somewhat this year

jnewmant
10-23-2005, 11:10 PM
just a question, i'm not implying he should be top 15 or even in the first round but what round is demeco ryans, alabama's top LB considered right now he's about 6'2 235 or so and he plays out of this world

NorthFloridaFin
10-23-2005, 11:11 PM
there just aren't that many good FSU players this year



Ernie Sims will probably stay, but he is 1st rd talent
A.J. Nicholson is probably late 1st, early 2nd
Pat Watkins is a playmaker, somebody will take him in the 1st round
Leon Washington will suprise some people where he is drafted(middle 2nd)
Kameron Wimbley has really raised his stock also this year


Man, couldn't think of but just 5 potential draftees!!!

Wait, that's right we're loaded with a bunch of sure-fire underclassmen leading us this year!!!!:D

kastofsna120
10-23-2005, 11:17 PM
just a question, i'm not implying he should be top 15 or even in the first round but what round is demeco ryans, alabama's top LB considered right now he's about 6'2 235 or so and he plays out of this world
yeah he's really good and really smart. could be a jonathan vilma kind of player, who himself was academic all-american and all that. he'll be a steal wherever he's drafted, i just think some teams are concerned with his inconsistency and size. 6'2 230 sounds good, but just look at him...he's not that big

jnewmant
10-23-2005, 11:23 PM
yeah he's really good and really smart. could be a jonathan vilma kind of player, who himself was academic all-american and all that. he'll be a steal wherever he's drafted, i just think some teams are concerned with his inconsistency and size. 6'2 230 sounds good, but just look at him...he's not that big yeah his size does seem like a bit of a concern, i went by the numbers on espn but just watching him he dosen't seem that big, he seems more of a tweener type that could be drafted to play olb or ss. He seems pretty quick and he definitely plays with his head but like you and i both pointed out he seems more like 220 than 230-235

Phishstix
10-24-2005, 10:44 AM
1: Matt Leinart, QB, USC
2: D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T, Virginia
3: Reggie Bush, RB, USC (junior)
4: Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame (junior)
5: AJ Hawk, LB, Ohio State
6: Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota (junior)
7: Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon (junior)
8: Winston Justice, T, USC (junior)
9: Jimmy Williams, CB, VaTech
10: Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College
11: DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis
12: Eric Winston, T, Miami
13: Marcus McNeil, T, Auburn
14: Max Jean-Giles, G, Georgia
15: Jon Scott, T, Texas

close calls: ahmad brooks, rodrique wright, derek hagan, mario williams, laron landry

thoughts?

where's sam keller? ;)

weisdolphins
10-24-2005, 10:49 AM
1: Matt Leinart, QB, USC
2: D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T, Virginia
3: Reggie Bush, RB, USC (junior)
4: Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame (junior)
5: AJ Hawk, LB, Ohio State
6: Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota (junior)
7: Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon (junior)
8: Winston Justice, T, USC (junior)
9: Jimmy Williams, CB, VaTech
10: Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College
11: DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis
12: Eric Winston, T, Miami
13: Marcus McNeil, T, Auburn
14: Max Jean-Giles, G, Georgia
15: Jon Scott, T, Texas
close calls: ahmad brooks, rodrique wright, derek hagan, mario williams, laron landry

thoughts?

I truly hurts my heart that you don't have Drew Stanton in this list:cry: :cry:

kastofsna120
10-24-2005, 01:38 PM
i doubt stanton or keller will come out this year. stanton may be a first rounder, keller won't be

Joneal7
10-24-2005, 02:05 PM
hmm isn't Winston playing pretty bad this year?

kastofsna120
10-24-2005, 02:14 PM
not really bad, but not that great, either. he'd be top 5 if he was at his normal level. still, the talent is still there

Nappy Roots
10-24-2005, 02:25 PM
1: Matt Leinart, QB, USC
2: D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T, Virginia
3: Reggie Bush, RB, USC (junior)
4: Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame (junior)
5: AJ Hawk, LB, Ohio State
6: Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota (junior)
7: Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon (junior)
8: Winston Justice, T, USC (junior)
9: Jimmy Williams, CB, VaTech
10: Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College
11: DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis
12: Eric Winston, T, Miami
13: Marcus McNeil, T, Auburn
14: Max Jean-Giles, G, Georgia
15: Jon Scott, T, Texas

close calls: ahmad brooks, rodrique wright, derek hagan, mario williams, laron landry

thoughts?


McNeil hasnt played good this year. i would take him out and put in Mario Williams or Ahmad Brooks...but thats just me.

kastofsna120
10-24-2005, 02:31 PM
mcneil has been inconsistent, but brooks and williams have been pretty disapointing considering the preseason hype. if all 3 get back on track they're pretty much locks for the top 10, though

LIQUID24
10-24-2005, 02:54 PM
I would take Ngata off that list. Talented, but he takes way too many plays off. I would probably add Mercedes Lewis or Chad Greenway on there, they're at least borderline top 15.

kastofsna120
10-24-2005, 03:16 PM
i've yet to see ngata take any plays off. maybe when he's double and triple teamed, it may look like he's taking plays off, but this guy is a freak with a ridiculous motor on him

Buddwalk
10-24-2005, 04:03 PM
1: Matt Leinart, QB, USC
2: D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T, Virginia
3: Reggie Bush, RB, USC (junior)
4: Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame (junior)
5: AJ Hawk, LB, Ohio State
6: Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota (junior)
7: Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon (junior)
8: Winston Justice, T, USC (junior)
9: Jimmy Williams, CB, VaTech
10: Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College
11: DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis
12: Eric Winston, T, Miami
13: Marcus McNeil, T, Auburn
14: Max Jean-Giles, G, Georgia
15: Jon Scott, T, Texas

close calls: ahmad brooks, rodrique wright, derek hagan, mario williams, laron landry

thoughts?

not bad but some things...Winston Justice is not that high infact i think hes bout the 6th best OT in the draft. You rate kiwanuka at 10 which is around where i'd have him but no where do you have Mario Williams

Heres how much top 15 players

1. Reggie Bush RB USC
2. Matt Leinart QB USC
3. D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT Virginia
4. AJ Hawk LB Ohio State
5. Mario Williams DE NC State
6. Eric Winston OT Miami
7. Jimmy Williams CB Virginia Tech
8. DeAngelo Williams RB Memphis
9. Chad Greenway LB Iowa
10. Haloti Ngata DT Oregon
11. Marcus McNeil OT Auburn
12. Mathias Kiwanaku DE Boston College
13. Jonathan Scott OT Texas
14. Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota
15. Vince Young QB Texas

Close calls
[Santonio Holmes, Brady Quinn, DeMeco Ryans, Ahmad Brooks, Tamba Hali]

Amars
10-24-2005, 06:08 PM
not bad but some things...Winston Justice is not that high infact i think hes bout the 6th best OT in the draft. You rate kiwanuka at 10 which is around where i'd have him but no where do you have Mario Williams

Heres how much top 15 players

1. Reggie Bush RB USC
2. Matt Leinart QB USC
3. D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT Virginia
4. AJ Hawk LB Ohio State
5. Mario Williams DE NC State
6. Eric Winston OT Miami
7. Jimmy Williams CB Virginia Tech
8. DeAngelo Williams RB Memphis
9. Chad Greenway LB Iowa
10. Haloti Ngata DT Oregon
11. Marcus McNeil OT Auburn
12. Mathias Kiwanaku DE Boston College
13. Jonathan Scott OT Texas
14. Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota
15. Vince Young QB Texas

Close calls
[Santonio Holmes, Brady Quinn, DeMeco Ryans, Ahmad Brooks, Tamba Hali]


I like this list better

kastofsna120
10-24-2005, 07:16 PM
winston justice has been a beast this year. a complete beast

SMadison29
10-24-2005, 07:32 PM
1: Matt Leinart, QB, USC
2: D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T, Virginia
3: Reggie Bush, RB, USC (junior)
4: Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame (junior)
5: AJ Hawk, LB, Ohio State
6: Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota (junior)
7: Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon (junior)
8: Winston Justice, T, USC (junior)
9: Jimmy Williams, CB, VaTech
10: Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College
11: DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis
12: Eric Winston, T, Miami
13: Marcus McNeil, T, Auburn
14: Max Jean-Giles, G, Georgia
15: Jon Scott, T, Texas

close calls: ahmad brooks, rodrique wright, derek hagan, mario williams, laron landry

thoughts?

Nice. I can't just pick 15.

1: RB Reggie Bush, USC*
2: QB Matt Leinart, USC
3: QB Brady Quinn, Notre Dame*
4: LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Virginia
5: DE Mario Williams, NC State*
6: OLB AJ Hawk, Ohio State
7: DT Haloti Ngata, Oregon*
8: DE Mathias Kiwanuka, Boston College
9: DB Jimmy Williams, Virginia Tech
10: DB Michael Huff, Texas
11: RB Laurence Maroney, Minnesota*
12: RB DeAngelo Williams, Memphis
13: TE Marcedes Lewis, UCLA
14: OLB DeMeco Ryans, Alabama
15: LT Eric Winston, Miami
16: DT Claude Wroten, LSU
17: FS Laron Landry, LSU*
18: ILB Ahmad Brooks, Virginia
19: LT Joe Thomas, Wisconsin*
20: LT Jonathan Scott, Texas


Missed the cut:
Winston Justice, Chad Greenway, Marcus McNeil, Rodrique Wright, Santonio Holmes*

Buddwalk
10-25-2005, 07:01 AM
winston justice has been a beast this year. a complete beast

No hes been good but this year is loaded so high that he doesnt make the list imo. I doubt he'll declare hes prob gonna do what McNiel did and just stay in his senior season and build his stock. Whoever said Mcniel is having a bad year is wrong...he is actually doing pretty good and is projected as the 3rd or 4th tackle off the board and hes a guarenteed first round pick

SMadison29
10-25-2005, 11:22 PM
Whoever said Mcniel is having a bad year is wrong...he is actually doing pretty good and is projected as the 3rd or 4th tackle off the board and hes a guarenteed first round pick

He is having a bad year. In fact most of the projected 1st round OTs are. Ferguson has been hurt & Winston is still recovering. Other highly rated senior offensive line prospects who have failed to play their way into the first round up to this point include Auburn T Marcus McNeill, Oklahoma G Davin Joseph, Boston College T Jeremy Trueblood, Texas T Jonathan Scott, LSU T Andrew Whitworth, Georgia G Max Jean-Gilles, Ohio State C Nick Mangold, Minnesota C Greg Eslinger and Florida C Mike Degory.-Scouts Inc.

HysterikiLL
10-26-2005, 01:49 AM
1: Matt Leinart, QB, USC
2: D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T, Virginia
3: Reggie Bush, RB, USC (junior)
4: Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame (junior)
5: AJ Hawk, LB, Ohio State
6: Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota (junior)
7: Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon (junior)
8: Winston Justice, T, USC (junior)
9: Jimmy Williams, CB, VaTech
10: Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College
11: DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis
12: Eric Winston, T, Miami
13: Marcus McNeil, T, Auburn
14: Max Jean-Giles, G, Georgia
15: Jon Scott, T, Texas

I agree with most. I think McNeil is having a better year than Winston and I think Rod Wright is better than Ngata. Also, I think that 4 is a little high for Brady Quinn but I haven't watched enough of him to make that accurate a call. Nice list bro.

Ghetti13
10-27-2005, 09:10 PM
Personally, I think Reggie Bush is the top player in this draft hands down. If he declares of course. He has Deion Sanders speed and Barry Sanders agility to go with excellent hands and excellence in the kicking game.

He is one of those guys that you just don't see very often. One of those players that can change the game every time he touches the ball.

He should have won the Heisman last year, and he will almost definitely win it this year.

He is the best player in this draft.

NorthFloridaFin
10-28-2005, 03:29 AM
Why does everyone keep putting Eric Winston on their list. The guy has been terrible this year. Miami gave up 9 sacks to FSU, and i believe 7 came from his side of the field. Hardly a 1st rd pick, much less Top 15.

ether79
11-10-2005, 10:21 PM
I forgot, you're a Miami fan:D
Naa I'm a Big 11 fan and don't believe any FSU guys should be top 15 at this point.

ether79
11-10-2005, 10:22 PM
1: Matt Leinart, QB, USC
2: D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T, Virginia
3: Reggie Bush, RB, USC (junior)
4: Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame (junior)
5: AJ Hawk, LB, Ohio State
6: Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota (junior)
7: Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon (junior)
8: Winston Justice, T, USC (junior)
9: Jimmy Williams, CB, VaTech
10: Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College
11: DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis
12: Eric Winston, T, Miami
13: Marcus McNeil, T, Auburn
14: Max Jean-Giles, G, Georgia
15: Jon Scott, T, Texas

I agree with most. I think McNeil is having a better year than Winston and I think Rod Wright is better than Ngata. Also, I think that 4 is a little high for Brady Quinn but I haven't watched enough of him to make that accurate a call. Nice list bro.


That spot is right on for Quinn I have watched and rewatched all of his games and he is worthy of top 5. The kid is amazing.

SMadison29
11-10-2005, 10:27 PM
I'm glad you bumped this Ether, I just referred to this thread in another thread.

10: DB Michael Huff, Texas

ether79
11-10-2005, 10:30 PM
I'm glad you bumped this Ether, I just referred to this thread in another thread.

10: DB Michael Huff, Texas

Agreed that kid is special and the funny thing is people talk about top CBs and speak of Williams as the top guy...I believe that Huff should be converted to CB and Williams to FS/NB in the NFL.