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Punisher77
11-13-2005, 06:55 PM
Welcome to the Iron Mike Thread!

Do we have any Tyson fans here? I have been watching his fights lately on ESPN Classics. WOW!!!!!:eek: He knocked the poo outa people! His record is 50-6(It's really 51-5) with 44 of his wins by Knock Out. He is in my opinion one of the greatest and should go into the Hall of Fame. What do you guys think?

Ray Finkle
11-13-2005, 07:09 PM
Welcome to the Iron Mike Thread!

Do we have any Tyson fans here? I have been watching his fights lately on ESPN Classics. WOW!!!!!:eek: He knocked the poo outa people! His record is 50-6(It's really 51-5) with 44 of his wins by Knock Out. He is in my opinion one of the greatest and should go into the Hall of Fame. What do you guys think?

I love Mike. He's the man. He is without a doubt one of the most entertaining people in sports history. It's just too bad that he was so dumb and let people like Don King take advantage of him and screw him out of millions of dollars.

As for the Hall of Fame, I'm not sure. Before he got sent to jail (on the bongus rape charge) and even after the Buster Douglas fight he has headed to the Hall however since those incidents he has been a shell of his former self. I don't think he'll get into the Hall due to his out of the ring problems and the ear biting incident. I would love to see an Ali vs. Tyson fight in each of their primes though.

byroan
11-13-2005, 07:32 PM
I loved watching Tyson fight. He's the reason I started watching boxing.

Punisher77
11-13-2005, 08:17 PM
Im right with you guys. Im just sad to see him retire. Foreman won the belt back in the mid 90s when he was like 42. So I know with the right Motivation and staff, he could do it.

SCall13
11-13-2005, 09:11 PM
Tyson is/was a thug. I liked to watch him fight but hated to hear him run his trap. He was good when the boxers he was fighting were intimidated. But when he faced a smart fighter who showed no fear and out-smart him and out-box him, he looked lost. Buster Douglas and Evander Holifield out-smarted him and frustrated him and beat him up. After his loss to Douglas, Tyson wasn't able to bounce back, partially because of his prison term, partially because of his mentality. Tyson wanted people to slug with him because he jnew he could take a punch and would land one that would finish them But after Douglas exposed him, opponents no longer fell into the brawl or run for your life mentality that most boxers came into the ring with when Mike was younger.
Tyson's biggest problem was the people he surrouded himself with after Cus D'Amato passed away. Mike was totally lost without Cus and turned to the wrong people to fill the void and that's when his career really started it's downward dive.

Wildbill3
11-13-2005, 10:18 PM
Ali would've killed him, and foreman was better in his prime than tyson.

wazzy
11-13-2005, 10:36 PM
Tyson was an amazing athlete it was just pathetic how his career played out because all of his out of the ring politics. I'm not saying he is the 1 to blame but it is a shame!

Buddwalk
11-13-2005, 11:15 PM
Ali would've killed him, and foreman was better in his prime than tyson.


:yes: on the ali comment

:shakeno: on the foreman comment

Wildbill3
11-13-2005, 11:28 PM
:yes: on the ali comment

:shakeno: on the foreman commentAli couldn't beat foreman without the "rope-a-dope" tyson may have been able to match forman or even exceed power wise, but prime for prime foreman's endurance would've overcome tyson's power.

finfansince72
11-14-2005, 07:57 AM
Foreman in his prime would have beat Tyson. Tyson never really beat an elite heavyweight in his entire career. Part of that was King picking patsies for quick knockouts and the lack of top competition but Tyson didnt fight Holyfield for a longtime and when he did he got whooped completely. Tyson isnt really that great. You cant be placed among the alltime greats when you didnt beat anyone worth a damn.

QB2RonnieTD23
11-14-2005, 10:32 AM
Tyson would have crushed Ali, with the power he posed and Ali's big mouth and history of standing their and trash talking rather than hammering away. One knockout shot from Iron Mike and it would be history for "The Greatest"

Wildbill3
11-14-2005, 09:45 PM
Tyson would have crushed Ali, with the power he posed and Ali's big mouth and history of standing their and trash talking rather than hammering away. One knockout shot from Iron Mike and it would be history for "The Greatest"tyson wouldn't have been able to land his full power on Ali, nobody, nobody could move like ali, and nobody ever got a good clean shot on him, tyson would not have done any better than the rest.

Punisher77
11-16-2005, 05:26 PM
Still, Tyson beat 76 people. I dont know many who could last a minuet against the fighters he fought.

TrueDolFan
11-16-2005, 05:49 PM
Foreman in his prime would have beat Tyson. Tyson never really beat an elite heavyweight in his entire career. Part of that was King picking patsies for quick knockouts and the lack of top competition but Tyson didnt fight Holyfield for a longtime and when he did he got whooped completely. Tyson isnt really that great. You cant be placed among the alltime greats when you didnt beat anyone worth a damn.

EXACTLY.
He dodged Holyfield for SO LONG while he was champion, it was ridiculous. He didn't want to fight Evander Holyfield because he knew Holyfield posessed something that he didn't - boxing skills. Look at what happened when Tyson DID fight a good fighter. He got his a$$ beat. I will never forget what Lennox Lewis (who is FAR, FAR and away a MUCH better champion than Tyson) did to "Iron Mike". He humiliated him and exposed him for what he was - just a loudmouthed chump who didn't belong in the ring with a REAL boxer.
The only thing Tyson had going for him was his punching power. He would overwhelm a crappy fighter, but a BOXER would beat him every time.

byroan
11-16-2005, 06:08 PM
He would overwhelm a crappy fighter, but a BOXER would beat him every time.

I guess Larry Holmes, Tony Tubbs and Michael Spinks aren't BOXERS. He became the youngest world heavyweight champion at 20. I guess that means nothing though.


Part of that was King picking patsies for quick knockouts and the lack of top competition but Tyson didnt fight Holyfield for a longtime and when he did he got whooped completely.

He was in jail. How was he suppose to fight Holyfield? He faught him less than two years after he got out.

Section126
11-16-2005, 07:44 PM
For those saying that Tyson was a crappy boxer.....you are wrong.

When Tyson was with Atlas and then Rooney...he had GREAT defensive skills and a lightning quick and powerful jab that he used to use to move bigger men around the ring.

The reason Tyson will not be considered among the best all-time is that when he fought his contemporary....(Holyfield)....Holyfield kicked his teeth in and made him look like a fool.

Tyson was lazy. Had he stayed with Rooney and actually cared about his craft....who knows....

But you must admit that the two Holyfield fights exposed Tyson for what he was....a good Heavyweight Champ...not a great one.

Holyfield on the other hand...IS a Hall of Famer.

Punisher77
11-16-2005, 09:50 PM
EXACTLY.
He dodged Holyfield for SO LONG while he was champion, it was ridiculous. He didn't want to fight Evander Holyfield because he knew Holyfield posessed something that he didn't - boxing skills. Look at what happened when Tyson DID fight a good fighter. He got his a$$ beat. I will never forget what Lennox Lewis (who is FAR, FAR and away a MUCH better champion than Tyson) did to "Iron Mike". He humiliated him and exposed him for what he was - just a loudmouthed chump who didn't belong in the ring with a REAL boxer.
The only thing Tyson had going for him was his punching power. He would overwhelm a crappy fighter, but a BOXER would beat him every time.


76 wins...7 defeats............you do the math. And fought Holyfield when he was out of his prime. If he had fought him in 86', Tyson would have owned him.

Section126
11-17-2005, 12:39 AM
76 wins...7 defeats............you do the math. And fought Holyfield when he was out of his prime. If he had fought him in 86', Tyson would have owned him.

Oh great....of course he would have owned him...Holyfield wasn't even a heavyweight in 1986.....

get real...Holyfield almost turned Aluminum Mike Tyson into a woman after those two fights.

TrueDolFan
11-17-2005, 01:33 PM
[QUOTE=byroan]I guess Larry Holmes, Tony Tubbs and Michael Spinks aren't BOXERS. He became the youngest world heavyweight champion at 20. I guess that means nothing though.

How old was Holmes when Tyson beat him? Tubbs was nobody. Spinks was a great light heavyweight, and he didn't belong in the heavyweight division.
The only fighter Tyson beat that was any good was Holmes. But Holmes was pushing 40. Tyson was, simply put, a flash in the pan.

byroan
11-17-2005, 01:36 PM
[QUOTE=byroan]I guess Larry Holmes, Tony Tubbs and Michael Spinks aren't BOXERS. He became the youngest world heavyweight champion at 20. I guess that means nothing though.

How old was Holmes when Tyson beat him? Tubbs was nobody. Spinks was a great light heavyweight, and he didn't belong in the heavyweight division.
The only fighter Tyson beat that was any good was Holmes. But Holmes was pushing 40. Tyson was, simply put, a flash in the pan.

Excuses...

TrueDolFan
11-17-2005, 03:25 PM
Those aren't excuses, young fella. Those are the facts. You can't dispute facts.

Wildbill3
11-17-2005, 09:44 PM
Those aren't excuses, young fella. Those are the facts. You can't dispute facts.Don't cha' know? this is the internet old fella, you can dispute facts all day long, and if you can't win that way, somebody has revisionist history that proves whatever point you are trying to make. :lol: Seriously, right on about Spinks. Did tyson even give him a rematch? Oh and spinks might've made a good challenge later on if, not for the drugs.:(

finfansince72
11-17-2005, 11:30 PM
[QUOTE=TrueDolFan]

Excuses...

i dont see facts as excuses. Tyson beat fat old Holmes, Holmes in his prime might very well have beaten Tyson. Sphinxs, Tubbs, who cares, those guys arent greats.
Tyson did duck Holyfield for a couple of years, he went to jail but before that he ducked Holyfield while getting schmucks to pay $50 on payperview to watch him beat up bar-caliber fighters.
Holyfield completely exposed Tyson, he beat him so bad it wasnt even funny. So did Buster Douglas. I mean would Ali, Foreman or even a Larry Holmes have lost to Buster in their prime? Hell no. Next subject.

finfansince72
11-18-2005, 01:21 AM
For those saying that Tyson was a crappy boxer.....you are wrong.

When Tyson was with Atlas and then Rooney...he had GREAT defensive skills and a lightning quick and powerful jab that he used to use to move bigger men around the ring.

The reason Tyson will not be considered among the best all-time is that when he fought his contemporary....(Holyfield)....Holyfield kicked his teeth in and made him look like a fool.

Tyson was lazy. Had he stayed with Rooney and actually cared about his craft....who knows....

But you must admit that the two Holyfield fights exposed Tyson for what he was....a good Heavyweight Champ...not a great one.

Holyfield on the other hand...IS a Hall of Famer.

I agree. Early on Tyson did box, if he had stayed on that path I dont think we would be having this conversation. He also probaly would have stayed out of jail if he had those guys around him. Tyson had tremendous talent, its not like he was a complete fraud as a talent, but when he lost his skills he was a 2nd rate fighter that lost to good boxers. A Tyson/Holyfield fight with Tyson still schooled by Atlas or Rooney would have been such a great fight. Tyson tossed his legacy into the trash by getting lazy and surrounding himself by a bunch of leeches.

Punisher77
11-20-2005, 02:42 PM
[QUOTE=byroan]

i dont see facts as excuses. Tyson beat fat old Holmes, Holmes in his prime might very well have beaten Tyson. Sphinxs, Tubbs, who cares, those guys arent greats.
Tyson did duck Holyfield for a couple of years, he went to jail but before that he ducked Holyfield while getting schmucks to pay $50 on payperview to watch him beat up bar-caliber fighters.
Holyfield completely exposed Tyson, he beat him so bad it wasnt even funny. So did Buster Douglas. I mean would Ali, Foreman or even a Larry Holmes have lost to Buster in their prime? Hell no. Next subject.

Tyson didnt lose. It was a long count when Tyson KO'd Buster. He had like 12-13 secs to get up. Tyson got screwed over.

Section126
11-20-2005, 05:00 PM
[QUOTE=finfansince72]

Tyson didnt lose. It was a long count when Tyson KO'd Buster. He had like 12-13 secs to get up. Tyson got screwed over.


Are you joking?

Punisher77
11-20-2005, 06:46 PM
[QUOTE=Punisher77]


Are you joking?

nope.........And many Boxing experts will agree on this.

Section126
11-20-2005, 09:39 PM
[QUOTE=Section126]

nope.........And many Boxing experts will agree on this.


AHH...NO...you mean....Don King agrees with this......

Buster destroyed Tyson.

Punisher77
11-20-2005, 09:57 PM
[QUOTE=Punisher77]


AHH...NO...you mean....Don King agrees with this......

Buster destroyed Tyson.

Watch the fight and count when Buster is down, it's over 10. And Burt Suger agrees.

finfansince72
11-21-2005, 01:03 AM
[QUOTE=Section126]

Watch the fight and count when Buster is down, it's over 10. And Burt Suger agrees.

Complete nonsense. I saw Tyson struggling on the ground with his mouthpiece hanging out, trying to get up on legs and arms that wouldnt work because he got the beatdown of his life. Tyson is a man, if you asked him he would admit that he lost that fight. He knows it, get over it.
So whats the excuse for how he got beat by Holyfield?:rolleyes: