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Pigskin Pimp
11-15-2005, 07:33 PM
I'm a Longhorn fan, and it looks like a TX - USC Matchup at the Rosebowl. Obviously Texas will be the underdogs, as it's hard to bet against USC at this point.

I think it's clear that these are the top two teams in the Nation and USC seems to be the best of the two, however, the best team doesn't always win. That goes to the team that wants it the most, the team most hungry and best prepared. I'm hoping that's my Horns.

What win margin did you predict and why?

kastofsna120
11-15-2005, 07:51 PM
miami by 2 touchdowns

Caps
11-15-2005, 07:53 PM
miami by 2 touchdowns

Damn straight.

DonShula84
11-15-2005, 08:27 PM
Anyone but USC, I'm not bitter...really :)

LIQUID24
11-15-2005, 08:28 PM
USC 38-24

DolphinDevil28
11-15-2005, 08:32 PM
Texas 33
USC 29

ether79
11-15-2005, 09:04 PM
USC-35
Tex-17

Jimmy James
11-15-2005, 09:54 PM
Both teams wake up on gameday to find that their day before meals were tainted and 98% of the players have a nasty three day bout of food poisoning that cancels the game. No players are harmed.

Agent51
11-15-2005, 10:33 PM
I'm a Longhorn fan, and it looks like a TX - USC Matchup at the Rosebowl. Obviously Texas will be the underdogs, as it's hard to bet against USC at this point.

I think it's clear that these are the top two teams in the Nation and USC seems to be the best of the two, however, the best team doesn't always win. That goes to the team that wants it the most, the team most hungry and best prepared. I'm hoping that's my Horns.

What win margin did you predict and why?

I voted for Texas by 10+ but that was an accident, I meant to hit Texas by 7. I too am a Longhorn fan, a DIEHARD Longhorn fan, so of course my opinion/vote is going to look bias, but I assure you it is not. My reasoning is that BOTH have great offenses, but only ONE, Texas, has a great defense. I think that even if USC is able to score a bunch on us, we will be able to get just that little bit more we need to win. I think Texas' D will be able to come up with a few more stops than the USC D. USC prolly has the more powerful offense, but Texas' offense is by no means incapable of throwing down in a shootout game, and I think the game will try to be like that, but Texas will come out the victor because the D will be able to get more stops than USC's D.

AirFishOne
11-15-2005, 11:15 PM
i hope Miami sneaks in there somehow, i dont want Texas or USC to win.

Buddwalk
11-15-2005, 11:27 PM
miami by 2 touchdowns

Finally something we agree upon :evil:

kastofsna120
11-16-2005, 12:12 AM
I voted for Texas by 10+ but that was an accident, I meant to hit Texas by 7. I too am a Longhorn fan, a DIEHARD Longhorn fan, so of course my opinion/vote is going to look bias, but I assure you it is not.
of course not

Batman13
11-16-2005, 12:27 AM
Condoms, er.. Trojans 38
Longhorns 28

AirFishOne
11-16-2005, 11:02 AM
55-19 USC :cry:

CirclingWagons
11-16-2005, 01:15 PM
What's probably going to happen: USC 55, Texas 14 (Big 12 teams should be exempt from the NC game)

What everyone wants to see: Miami 31, USC 30

Roman529
11-16-2005, 07:12 PM
The Longhorns have Vince Young, BUT USC has Leinart, Reggie Bush, and LenDell.....USC has too many weapons:

USC 35
Texas 21

Agent51
11-16-2005, 07:49 PM
of course not

It isn't, and I explained exactly why I thought Texas would win by a TD, but you convieniently cut that section out of my quote. Both have high power offenses, Texas has a better D, so if it comes down to a shootout, Texas' D will be able to come up with more stops than USC's.

AirFishOne
11-16-2005, 08:47 PM
What's probably going to happen: USC 55, Texas 14 (Big 12 teams should be exempt from the NC game)

What everyone wants to see: Miami 31, USC 30

plz explain to me your reasons for saying this....?

SMadison29
11-16-2005, 11:26 PM
It's gonna be a blowout of gigantic proportions like last year vs Chokelahoma.

TjHawk
11-17-2005, 12:10 AM
It's gonna be a blowout of gigantic proportions like last year vs Chokelahoma.


:rofl3: :rofl3: :rofl3: good one i like it.

Like I predicted from the begining of the year USC over Texas, 42-35.

AirFishOne
11-17-2005, 12:35 AM
It's gonna be a blowout of gigantic proportions like last year vs Chokelahoma.

jeez u people have no respect

SMadison29
11-17-2005, 12:45 AM
What everyone wants to see: Miami 31, USC 30

Very true.


jeez u people have no respect

Well Oklahoma didn't deserve to be in either of the last two national championship games & they proved it. The BCS has failed the past two years.

caneproud117
11-17-2005, 01:01 AM
Miami 17-Texas 14
I can dream can't I? :) I would love to get into the Rose Bowl but that seems unlikely unless FSU (the other one) knocks off USC, no team is playing well enough to knock off Texas including Colorodo if in fact its them in the Big 12 Championship game.

Agent51
11-17-2005, 01:25 PM
Miami 17-Texas 14
I can dream can't I? :) I would love to get into the Rose Bowl but that seems unlikely unless FSU (the other one) knocks off USC, no team is playing well enough to knock off Texas including Colorodo if in fact its them in the Big 12 Championship game.

Yea, Fresno is the only team that has a shot at making the rose bowl NOT be USC/Texas. Texas has a free ride basically (as long as they don't take it too lightly like they did the first 3 quarters of the OSU game) and Fresno is the last challenge for USC.

kastofsna120
11-17-2005, 01:51 PM
Yea, Fresno is the only team that has a shot at making the rose bowl NOT be USC/Texas. Texas has a free ride basically (as long as they don't take it too lightly like they did the first 3 quarters of the OSU game) and Fresno is the last challenge for USC.
um, UCLA

Agent51
11-17-2005, 04:20 PM
um, UCLA

Earlier I would have said yes, but the past 3 weeks they have struggled and if you look at their games you will see their D is struggling against BAD teams, what's going to happen against USC? There's only 1 game they didn't allow more than 20 points (against 2-8 Washington, which they BARELY won, 21-17). Also, they only beat:

Cal (6-4) by 7 points, 47-40
Washington State (3-7) by 3 points, 44-41 in OT,
Stanford (5-4) by 3 points, 30-27
and Arizona State (5-5) by 10 points, 45-35

They got KILLED by 3-7 Arizona 52-14 and 6 of their last 7 wins were by 10pts or less. I think their D just struggles WAY to much for USC's offense.

kastofsna120
11-17-2005, 05:32 PM
i don't care. UCLA is better than fresno state, and they haev more to play for against USC, thus they are a tougher challenge for USC

AirFishOne
11-17-2005, 05:50 PM
Very true.



Well Oklahoma didn't deserve to be in either of the last two national championship games & they proved it. The BCS has failed the past two years.

Well the BCS decides number 1 and 2 right? Well no one expected it to turn out the way it did. No one could dispute OU was number 2 going into that game so why did they not deserve to be there?

Agent51
11-17-2005, 09:27 PM
i don't care. UCLA is better than fresno state, and they haev more to play for against USC, thus they are a tougher challenge for USC

What do they have more to play for? Fresno State has been BEGGING for this chance (to play USC), UCLA plays em every year. UCLA already has 1 lost, so they aren't going in to play to stay undefeated, nor are they plating for a National title bid. Both are gunning for USC, but I think Fresno State is the bigger threat because they have something to prove, plus UCLA has been playing crappy as of late. Not to mention Fresno State is on a 7 game win streak and they have only allowed more that 20 points once in the past 7 games (and only 2 times all season). I just think FSU is hot eright now and has something to prove whereas UCLA is on a cold streak and they aren't playing for anything more than a win since they have already lost thus aren't undefeated and in national title contention anymore, barring some catastrophic meltdown by ALL of the top 10 teams (BCS).

kastofsna120
11-17-2005, 10:19 PM
What do they have more to play for? Fresno State has been BEGGING for this chance (to play USC), UCLA plays em every year. UCLA already has 1 lost, so they aren't going in to play to stay undefeated, nor are they plating for a National title bid. Both are gunning for USC, but I think Fresno State is the bigger threat because they have something to prove, plus UCLA has been playing crappy as of late. Not to mention Fresno State is on a 7 game win streak and they have only allowed more that 20 points once in the past 7 games (and only 2 times all season). I just think FSU is hot eright now and has something to prove whereas UCLA is on a cold streak and they aren't playing for anything more than a win since they have already lost thus aren't undefeated and in national title contention anymore, barring some catastrophic meltdown by ALL of the top 10 teams (BCS).
um UCLA can still win the pac-10 buddy. and remember: UCLA almost beat them last year. if you think UCLA is only going to play USC "for a win" you're an idiot. every heard of a RIVALRY? yeah, that's what this is. both want to beat USC just as much. the difference is: UCLA is better than fresno state. if you disagree, you're WRONG

Mod Edit: You've had time off before for attacking someone. Did you not learn? 48hrs.

caneproud117
11-17-2005, 10:31 PM
I've been more impressed with FSU than UCLA this year. They seem to be the more complete team. I hope that USC takes them lightly. Before someone goes off on a tirade about Miami should worry about their own games, I think you're right. It's a good thing I'm not a player. I won't thread jack and talk about UM's remaining games.

papafin
11-18-2005, 04:15 AM
Well the BCS decides number 1 and 2 right? Well no one expected it to turn out the way it did. No one could dispute OU was number 2 going into that game so why did they not deserve to be there?

Many people outside of the Sooner Nation could dispute OU being number 2 going into the last two championship games. I won't rip OU (although being a 'Cane fan in Sooner country makes that difficult), because I think they're actually the only perennial legit team in the Big XII. They play offense, defense, and special teams (usually), unlike every other Big XII team. Texas (this year) is an abberation.

I've discussed this with you before, but the Big XII is the most overrated conference in the nation. They pad their rankings by beating up on the Sam Houston States of the world, only to get exposed regularly when playing decent out-of-conference competition. Check the Big XII's cumulative bowl record over the last 3-4 years to verify this. It's not pretty.

OU has consistently dominated the Big XII over the past few years b/c they were the only team that:

A) Had a modern (non-gimmick) offense
B) Actually played defense
C) Had a head coach who wasn't either mildy r e t a r d ed or handcuffed by being stuck in a wasteland like Manhattan, KS.

Texas fits that MO this year.

I give OU credit for their consistency in being a really good football team. The problem is that when a good team (OU, TX, etc.) from the Big XII actually faces a power from another conference, they are shell-shocked b/c they haven't played a team with near the athletes that they have. When they do (UM/Neb, OU/LSU, OU/USC, KSU/OSU, CU/Ore, etc.), they are overwhelmed, and get pimpslapped.

Agent51
11-18-2005, 12:25 PM
um UCLA can still win the pac-10 buddy. and remember: UCLA almost beat them last year. if you think UCLA is only going to play USC "for a win" you're an idiot. every heard of a RIVALRY? yeah, that's what this is. both want to beat USC just as much. the difference is: UCLA is better than fresno state. if you disagree, you're WRONG

WOW, glad you are a regular miss cleo of football knowledge and know exactly what will happen, I guess I should be struck down by lightning for disputing the "football god". Please. I'm giving a factual debate and you bring immature name-calling into it. I am not WRONG, opinions can't be wrong "idiot". UCLA almost beat them last year? Good for them, it was LAST YEAR. By that logic, so did VT, Stanford, Cal, and Oregon State. Also, by your logic, that would mean Arizona State is on the same level as USC, because they almost beat USC this year, and it would mean that Arizona is BETTER than UCLA because they beat them. I don't care if it is a rivalry or not, rivalry games aren't always good. PLus, the fact remains that as of late UCLA has been playing like crap and their D blows, not a good thing to have on your shoulders when going into a game with USC, and Fresno State has won 7 straight and is playing well and has a much better defense, PLUS this might be their ONLY shot at playing someone as highly ranked as USC, I think they have a lot more to prove. You tell me, as a coach and team collectively, who you'd be more afraid of as USC, a team that got MURDERED by crappy Arizona and has struggled since the Stanford scare and who's D lets up AT LEAST 20 points in all but 1 game this year, or a team who has been trying to get a game with you forever and who never plays a team as big as you so they have something to prove and who has won 7 straight, by a respective margain, and hasn't allowed more than 20 points but 2 times this year? If you say the former "you are WRONG".

AirFishOne
11-18-2005, 08:56 PM
Many people outside of the Sooner Nation could dispute OU being number 2 going into the last two championship games. I won't rip OU (although being a 'Cane fan in Sooner country makes that difficult), because I think they're actually the only perennial legit team in the Big XII. They play offense, defense, and special teams (usually), unlike every other Big XII team. Texas (this year) is an abberation.

I've discussed this with you before, but the Big XII is the most overrated conference in the nation. They pad their rankings by beating up on the Sam Houston States of the world, only to get exposed regularly when playing decent out-of-conference competition. Check the Big XII's cumulative bowl record over the last 3-4 years to verify this. It's not pretty.

OU has consistently dominated the Big XII over the past few years b/c they were the only team that:

A) Had a modern (non-gimmick) offense
B) Actually played defense
C) Had a head coach who wasn't either mildy r e t a r d ed or handcuffed by being stuck in a wasteland like Manhattan, KS.

Texas fits that MO this year.

I give OU credit for their consistency in being a really good football team. The problem is that when a good team (OU, TX, etc.) from the Big XII actually faces a power from another conference, they are shell-shocked b/c they haven't played a team with near the athletes that they have. When they do (UM/Neb, OU/LSU, OU/USC, KSU/OSU, CU/Ore, etc.), they are overwhelmed, and get pimpslapped.

I agree that the Big 12 is doing terrible, but on ur last sentence, we didnt get pimpslapped by LSU, we lost by a TD :D

ether79
11-18-2005, 09:44 PM
I agree that the Big 12 is doing terrible, but on ur last sentence, we didnt get pimpslapped by LSU, we lost by a TD :D
You got pimpslapped until the end of the game..so the score is skewed a bit.

Dubfire
11-18-2005, 10:48 PM
Yea, Fresno is the only team that has a shot at making the rose bowl NOT be USC/Texas. Texas has a free ride basically (as long as they don't take it too lightly like they did the first 3 quarters of the OSU game) and Fresno is the last challenge for USC.


Since when did winning at College Station become easy?

That's a rivalry game and by means is it a guarantee UT wins that game.

kastofsna120
11-18-2005, 11:09 PM
don't you know anything? rivalries mean nothing

Dubfire
11-18-2005, 11:42 PM
don't you know anything? rivalries mean nothing


:shakeno: :rofl3:

AirFishOne
11-19-2005, 01:53 AM
You got pimpslapped until the end of the game..so the score is skewed a bit.

really, how?

I mean tehy had alot of rushing yds due to prob one big run, tehy had 5 sacks we had 5 sacks, i think we had the same number of turnovers, but still OU played there worst game and LSU played there best and they still one by a TD and they let us scare the hell outa them at the end.

Edit: Not trying to be a smart @$$ :D

Ottoevans
11-19-2005, 03:00 AM
Miami 35-17

papafin
11-19-2005, 03:06 AM
That LSU game was a close game, but OU had no answer for LSU's defensive speed. White had guys hounding him all night, and looked nothing like the heisman trophy winning QB he was. OU hadn't faced a solid defense (save maybe KSU) all year, and when they did they got lit up. They only scored one offensive TD in that game. I can't remember a National Championship team that only scored one offensive TD in the bowl game.

LSU gave up a punt block for a TD, and fumbled the ball inside the 5 yard line. Kudos to OU's defense/special teams for making those plays, but that game could've been a lot worse than it was.

BTW, I know White threw the pick to the DE for a TD, and missed a wide open receiver for a TD, so both teams missed out on opportunities. Watching the game, I just never got the feeling that OU was really in the game. It was sort of like the Miami/VT game in '04. Although the 'Canes lost 16-10, it was painfully obvious who the better team was, and I never felt they were in the game.

Agent51
11-19-2005, 04:09 PM
don't you know anything? rivalries mean nothing

Funny, too bad you take what I say and misconstrue it to make yourself look good. Find a quote from me that says "rivalries mean nothing" in my post? KNow why you can't cuz I didn't say it. Yeah, OK, teams play harder during rivalries, but in these two cases Texas and USC are way to overpowering for the current installment of the teams they are playing. It's not the NAME UCLA that beats you, its the team, and this UCLA team doesn't look impressive at all leately. I notice you have zero rebuttle (aside from some lame "rivalries mean nothing" dig) to my FACT-BASED posts about UCLA beaing the weaker team AS OF LATE than Fresno. Try coming back with something factual in your argument instead of "UCLA is the better team and if you don't think so you are wrong" then you're posts MIGHT hold some weight. Rivalry or no rivalry, Fresno presents a bigger challenge than UCLA for USC. I am talking right now, not based o paper stats and early rankings. Take the play of the teams the past 4 games, Fresno has played MUCH better than UCLA. But I forgot, you know everything there is to know about football so I couldn't POSSIBLY be right. No way Fresno State, who has won 7 straight and not given up more than 20 points in all but 2 games, could POSSIBLY be a bigger threat to UCLA, who has struggled the past 4 games, whos D has let up over 20 points in all games but 1, and who got SPANKED by a crappy Arizona team, to USC because UCLA is their rival :shakeno: . That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard, that JUST because it's a rivalry automatically means they are the tougher opponent than a better team with a better record and better D as of late, plus a team that is trying to prove they can play with top ranked teams.

kastofsna120
11-19-2005, 04:15 PM
Funny, too bad you take what I say and misconstrue it to make yourself look good. Find a quote from me that says "rivalries mean nothing" in my post? KNow why you can't cuz I didn't say it. Yeah, OK, teams play harder during rivalries, but in these two cases Texas and USC are way to overpowering for the current installment of the teams they are playing. It's not the NAME UCLA that beats you, its the team, and this UCLA team doesn't look impressive at all leately. I notice you have zero rebuttle (aside from some lame "rivalries mean nothing" dig) to my FACT-BASED posts about UCLA beaing the weaker team AS OF LATE than Fresno. Try coming back with something factual in your argument instead of "UCLA is the better team and if you don't think so you are wrong" then you're posts MIGHT hold some weight. Rivalry or no rivalry, Fresno presents a bigger challenge than UCLA for USC. I am talking right now, not based o paper stats and early rankings. Take the play of the teams the past 4 games, Fresno has played MUCH better than UCLA. But I forgot, you know everything there is to know about football so I couldn't POSSIBLY be right. No way Fresno State, who has won 7 straight and not given up more than 20 points in all but 2 games, could POSSIBLY be a bigger threat to UCLA, who has struggled the past 4 games, whos D has let up over 20 points in all games but 1, and who got SPANKED by a crappy Arizona team, to USC because UCLA is their rival :shakeno: . That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard, that JUST because it's a rivalry automatically means they are the tougher opponent than a better team with a better record and better D as of late, plus a team that is trying to prove they can play with top ranked teams.
i've watched UCLA

i've watched fresno state

UCLA is better than fresno state

perhaps if USC was playing @ FSU, i'd give fresno a shot

i didn't say UCLA was a tougher opponent because they're rivals, i said that because UCLA IS BETTER THAN FRESNO STATE. their starters are better, and they have a lot more depth than fresno state

lol, why am i even arguing? i hope both teams rape USC

Dubfire
11-19-2005, 04:20 PM
I have not seen a single USC game this year.

If they can be beaten, what's the formula?

kastofsna120
11-19-2005, 04:25 PM
I have not seen a single USC game this year.

If they can be beaten, what's the formula?
their defense is suspect, so running the ball and getting 3rd downs is what you need to do to win, plain and simple. keep the offense off the field and score every chance you get

Motion
11-20-2005, 01:04 AM
Penn St.

Philter25
11-20-2005, 01:13 AM
+1 for Penn State :lol:

Agent51
11-20-2005, 05:26 PM
i've watched UCLA

i've watched fresno state

UCLA is better than fresno state

perhaps if USC was playing @ FSU, i'd give fresno a shot

i didn't say UCLA was a tougher opponent because they're rivals, i said that because UCLA IS BETTER THAN FRESNO STATE. their starters are better, and they have a lot more depth than fresno state

lol, why am i even arguing? i hope both teams rape USC

I'll agree with you on that one, lol. Although personally I'd like to see a USC/Texas matchup, I think it would be the best game for the national championship, in terms of the game itself. Seems like that matchup would be a thriller, like the ND/USC game earlier this year, I don't want another blowout national championship game like last year. Just out of curiosity who is your favorite team?

Philter25
11-20-2005, 05:28 PM
Kast is a Hurricane fan. ;)