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Amars
11-20-2005, 09:08 PM
I wonder If they be willing to get him off the books already. Hes not the same sam were use to.

1stDownRBrown
11-21-2005, 11:52 AM
I don't know, he's still a Top10 corner IMO.. I know he's getting older but I saw him make an incredible deflection in the endzone against the Pats that was simply amazing. Here's my list of corners.. I don't know where I would stick Madison in this list, I know it wouldn't be above Barber and not below Bly.. so I'd say he's between the 5th and 8th best CB in league according to me.. of course this is just my 2 cents. D'Angelo Hall will definately be near the top of this list in a year or two, and he is probably in the top 3 already according to physical ability but his lack of experience prevents me from putting him on the list b/c he still makes mental mistakes.. or else the Falcons D-Coordinator just doesn't know what he is doing. Oh yea and Smoot has not been a top 10 corner this year but I still put him in because I believe he is simply having a bad year compared to what he normally does and next year will most likely be alot different.

1. Champ Baily
2. Chris McAllister
3. Ty Law
4. Samarai Rolle
5. Ronde Barber
6. Nate Clements
7. Patrick Surtain
8. Dre Bly
9. Fred Smoot

Amars
11-21-2005, 01:29 PM
I Can name better players then those and about 10 more before I put Sam Madison.

Charles Woodson, Quettin Jammer, Marcus Trufant, Sheldon Brown, Lito Sheppard, RW McQuaters, Nathan Vasher, Anthony Henry, Terrance Newman

1stDownRBrown
11-21-2005, 03:19 PM
I wouldn't consider any of those players better than Madison...maybe Woodson but he's older than Sam so I wouldn't take him over Sam considering we aren't a contender this year or next.

ether79
11-21-2005, 06:24 PM
I wouldn't consider any of those players better than Madison...maybe Woodson but he's older than Sam so I wouldn't take him over Sam considering we aren't a contender this year or next.

Woodson isn't older than Madison..but he is horribly overrated and a walking injury report.

byroan
11-21-2005, 06:26 PM
As much as I like Madison, you can tell he isn't the same corner he used to be. He's never been a good tackler but now it's non-existant. He commits penalties at the worst times. With Poole coming back, Madison should be gone. I'd love to bring in Nate Clements if the Bills actually let him walk.

ether79
11-21-2005, 06:41 PM
As much as I like Madison, you can tell he isn't the same corner he used to be. He's never been a good tackler but now it's non-existant. He commits penalties at the worst times. With Poole coming back, Madison should be gone. I'd love to bring in Nate Clements if the Bills actually let him walk.

I'm ok with saying that..I just think that Woodson is not the answer. Especially with the contract he will be asking for.

Clumpy
11-22-2005, 04:13 AM
Madison is no longer top 10....far from it.

After the Bills debacle in SD, I would be hard-pressed to say Nate Clements is top 10 :(

Next post will have the numbers

Clumpy
11-22-2005, 04:26 AM
I wonder If they be willing to get him off the books already. Hes not the same sam were use to.


In response to Amars question and according to my numbers (Merman may have slightly different ones):

Madison will have 2 yrs remaining (2006 & 2007) as follows:

2006

salary: $3.42 million
amortization: $2,912,931
cap hit: $6,332,931

not aware of any other bonuses

2007

salary: $4.5 million
amortization: $1,496,714
cap hit: $5,996,714

not aware of any other bonuses

If released before June 1st: all remaining amortization falls on 2006 cap thus

cap hit - remaining amortization = cap savings

$6,332,931 - ($2,912,931 + $1,496,714) = $1,923,286

(This also applies to a trade at any time before the season starts).

If released after June 1st: amortization for 2006 still applies to that yr but 2007 amortization still applies to 2007

cap hit - 2006 amortization = cap savings

$6,332,931 - $2,912,931 = $3.42 million (his salary)


My take: cut him in February and move on

Merman
11-23-2005, 12:08 PM
In response to Amars question and according to my numbers (Merman may have slightly different ones):


If released before June 1st: all remaining amortization falls on 2006 cap thus

cap hit - remaining amortization = cap savings

$6,332,931 - ($2,912,931 + $1,496,714) = $1,923,286

(This also applies to a trade at any time before the season starts).

If released after June 1st: amortization for 2006 still applies to that yr but 2007 amortization still applies to 2007

cap hit - 2006 amortization = cap savings

$6,332,931 - $2,912,931 = $3.42 million (his salary)




Just a note. Other than my slightly different signing bonus amortization :)
this information is correct if a new CBA is agreed upon.

Otherwise if the situation stays the same for next year, 2006, which is the last year before an uncapped year, 2007, the acceleration of signing bonus for "on or before June 1st" is the same for the whole year. There will be no putting off of any unamortized bonus to next year. (2007)



Copied from the: CBA

* During any League Year immediately preceding an Uncapped Year, the provisions relating to acceleration of unamortized signing bonuses applicable on or before June 1 of that League Year shall apply during that League Year after June 1.

*Side Letter 11/1/95: Sec. 2

Clumpy
11-25-2005, 09:09 PM
Learn something new all the time :D

Joneal7
11-26-2005, 02:01 PM
i dont want him cut though...i just dont see any point in cutting him

Wildbill3
11-26-2005, 03:01 PM
The question we have to ask ourselves, can we pick up anyone better, for equal or less money, and is anyone on our team good enough to make sam a dime corner, in other words, do we have 3 corners on our team right now that are better than sam?

byroan
11-26-2005, 04:15 PM
in other words, do we have 3 corners on our team right now that are better than sam?

Depends on how good this Mitchell kid is. A heathly Poole should be better than Sam. I think Daniels is playing better.

Eshlemon
11-30-2005, 06:20 PM
Madison is no longer top 10....far from it.

After the Bills debacle in SD, I would be hard-pressed to say Nate Clements is top 10 :(

Next post will have the numbers

Clements is still a definate top 10 and will be paid top 5 IMO. Had 2 bad games vs SD and Stallworth, but great/good against Steve Smith 3-55, Randy Moss 3-43, Coles 4-33, Gallowy 0-0, Andre Johnson 3-18, Kennison 4-41, Chambers 4-60, Branch 3-92. Didn't list Atlanta because don't think know if they even have a definate #1 WR with Crumpler's the #1 guy for Vick.

Would love to have Clements in Miami next year if Buffalo doesn't want him.

Divine
12-02-2005, 09:59 PM
In response to Amars question and according to my numbers (Merman may have slightly different ones):

Madison will have 2 yrs remaining (2006 & 2007) as follows:

2006

salary: $3.42 million
amortization: $2,912,931
cap hit: $6,332,931

not aware of any other bonuses

2007

salary: $4.5 million
amortization: $1,496,714
cap hit: $5,996,714

not aware of any other bonuses

If released before June 1st: all remaining amortization falls on 2006 cap thus

cap hit - remaining amortization = cap savings

$6,332,931 - ($2,912,931 + $1,496,714) = $1,923,286

(This also applies to a trade at any time before the season starts).

If released after June 1st: amortization for 2006 still applies to that yr but 2007 amortization still applies to 2007

cap hit - 2006 amortization = cap savings

$6,332,931 - $2,912,931 = $3.42 million (his salary)


My take: cut him in February and move on


If a team cuts/trades a player before June 1st, then the only money against the cap that they would owe him would be the remaining amoritized bonus money and not the player's remaining salary. Meaning: Sam Madison's cap hit if they keep him for the 2006 season would be the $3.42 + $2,912,931, which is a cap hit of $6,332,931. If they were to cut/trade him before June 1st...cap hit would be the $2,912,931 + $1,496,714 which is a total cap hit of $4,409,645. Saving us $1,923,286. If cut/released/traded after June 1st, we would owe the $1,496,714 in 2007 and not in 2006 meaning our 2006 total cap hit would only be the $2,912,931, which is a savings of $3,420,000. So why would you cut/trade him in February? In February he would count as $4,409,645 rather than $2,912,931 if after June 1st. So I'm confused with your logic.

But I do have a question...what is all this Mar 2nd hoopla I keep hearing on the news about avoiding roster bonus and getting under the salary cap? Does this only apply to roster bonuses which not all players have?

IN_Rams_Fan
12-29-2005, 05:49 PM
Leonard Little? He has one year remaining on contract @ 3.8M. I'd like the Rams to get bigger at DE, and we need a better CB (DBs are simply dreadful).

He is pretty similar to the guy you traded to Chicago last year, although he's had a tough year off the field. Not playing at the elite pass rusher level of a couple years ago, but a change of scenary might be just what the doctor ordered...

Thanks.


BTW, I signed up for the forum basically just to ask this question... Ran across this forum just looking to learn about salary cap...

DolfanDaveInATX
12-30-2005, 09:43 PM
Leonard Little? He has one year remaining on contract @ 3.8M. I'd like the Rams to get bigger at DE, and we need a better CB (DBs are simply dreadful).

He is pretty similar to the guy you traded to Chicago last year, although he's had a tough year off the field. Not playing at the elite pass rusher level of a couple years ago, but a change of scenary might be just what the doctor ordered...

We're not interested. The guy is a good player but can't stay away from the bottle. He doesn't strike me as a good fit for the 3-4 defense we're moving towards. And besides, our pass rush is just fine with the guys we have. You may not have seen this, but two sacks on Sunday will give us 50 for the first time in franchise history.

17-0
12-30-2005, 11:25 PM
Depends on how good this Mitchell kid is. A heathly Poole should be better than Sam. I think Daniels is playing better.

Exactly

Eshlemon
12-31-2005, 03:25 PM
If a team cuts/trades a player before June 1st, then the only money against the cap that they would owe him would be the remaining amoritized bonus money and not the player's remaining salary. Meaning: Sam Madison's cap hit if they keep him for the 2006 season would be the $3.42 + $2,912,931, which is a cap hit of $6,332,931. If they were to cut/trade him before June 1st...cap hit would be the $2,912,931 + $1,496,714 which is a total cap hit of $4,409,645. Saving us $1,923,286. If cut/released/traded after June 1st, we would owe the $1,496,714 in 2007 and not in 2006 meaning our 2006 total cap hit would only be the $2,912,931, which is a savings of $3,420,000. So why would you cut/trade him in February? In February he would count as $4,409,645 rather than $2,912,931 if after June 1st. So I'm confused with your logic.

But I do have a question...what is all this Mar 2nd hoopla I keep hearing on the news about avoiding roster bonus and getting under the salary cap? Does this only apply to roster bonuses which not all players have?

Teams usually don't wait to split the dead money by cutting/trading after 6/1 for players that provide cap savings for the current years cap ($1.9 mill in Madison's case) because they need the money when free agency starts in March. Think of it this way for example. If Miami needs money to sign Clements in March, they use Madison's pre-6/1 $1.9 million cap savings in 2006 and Madison's "extra" $1.5 million not applied to 2007 by a post-6/1 cut/trade is paid to Clements in 2007.

Jaj
01-02-2006, 04:59 AM
That's completely stupid. No reason to cut Madison if it only saves under 2m.

QB2RonnieTD23
01-02-2006, 02:12 PM
i dont want him cut though...i just dont see any point in cutting him

He's a human yellow flag?

FinFan133
01-02-2006, 10:46 PM
I dont understand how some of you can say Poole will be better...He barely played his rookie year and when he did he didnt do anything special so its to early to tell(Remember how good J.Fletcher was suppose to be).I think we should keep Madison if nothing more than a 2nd or 3rd CB...these last few weeks have been his best

Retnuhrace
01-03-2006, 06:14 PM
Wasn't it Nate Clements who Chambers torched for his record setting day?