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SMadison29
11-23-2005, 01:30 AM
1 Houston - RB Reggie Bush, USC*
2 Tennessee - QB Matt Leinart, USC
3 New York Jets - LT D'Brickishaw Ferguson, Virginia
4 New Orleans - OLB AJ Hawk, Ohio St
5 San Francisco - CB Jimmy Williams, Virginia Tech
6 Green Bay - RB Laurence Maroney, Minnesota*
7 Miami - DT Haloti Ngata, Oregon*
8 Arizona - DE Mario Williams, NC State*
9 Baltimore - LT Joe Thomas, Wisconsin*
10 Buffalo - DE Mathias Kiwanuka, Boston College
11 St. Louis - OLB Chad Greenway, Iowa
12 Cleveland - DB Michael Huff, Texas
13 Detroit - DE Tamba Hali, Penn St
14 Oakland - ILB Ahmad Brooks, Virginia*
15 Philadelphia - WR Santonio Holmes, Ohio St*
16 Minnesota - RB DeAngelo Williams, Memphis
17 Denver (from Wash) - TE Marcedes Lewis, UCLA
18 Atlanta - FS LaRon Landry, LSU*
19 New England - OLB Paul Posluzny, Penn St*
20 Kansas City - DT Claude Wroten, LSU
21 San Diego - LB DeMeco Ryans, Alabama
22 Tampa Bay - LT Eric Winston, Miami
23 Chicago - TE Vernon Davis, Maryland*
24 Carolina - RB LenDale White, USC*
25 Jacksonville - CB Tye Hill, Clemson
26 Cincinnati - DE Elvis Dumervil, Louisville
27 Pittsburgh - SS Darnell Bing, USC*
28 NY Giants - OLB Ernie Sims, Florida St*
29 Dallas - DT Gabe Watson, Michigan
30 Seattle - WR Derek Hagan, Arizona St
31 Denver - DT Rodrique Wright, Texas
32 Indianapolis - LB D’Qwell Jackson, Maryland

33 Houston - LT Jonathan Scott, Texas
34 NY Jets - DT Orien Harris, Miami
35 New Orleans - QB Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt
36 San Francisco - TE Leonard Pope, Georgia*
37 Green Bay - SS Bernard Pollard, Purdue*
38 Tennessee - OLB Thomas Howard, UTEP
39 Arizona - RT Marcus McNeil, Auburn
40 Baltimore - G Max Jean-Gilles, Georgia
41 Miami - CB DeMario Minter, Georgia
42 St. Louis - DE Darryl Tapp, Virginia Tech
43 Cleveland - OLB AJ Nicholson, Florida St
44 Detroit - G/C Jason Spitz, Louisville
45 Oakland - DE Ray Edwards, Purdue*
46 Philadelphia - RT Ryan O’Callaghan, California
47 Buffalo - LT Jeremy Trueblood, Boston College
48 Washington - WR Demetrius Williams, Oregon
49 Minnesota - C Greg Eslinger, Minnesota
50 New England - CB Jason Allen, Tennessee (inj)
51 Kansas City - WR Jason Hill, Washington St*
52 San Diego - CB Kelly Jennings, Miami
53 Atlanta - ILB Abdul Hodge, Iowa
54 Chicago - FS Greg Blue, Georgia
55 Carolina - WR Chad Jackson, Florida*
56 Jacksonville - OLB Bobby Carpenter, Ohio St
57 Cincinnati - DT Dusty Dvoracek, Oklahoma
58 Pittsburgh - DT Brodrick Bunkley, Florida St
59 NY Giants - CB Anwar Phillips, Penn St
60 Dallas - LT Andrew Whitworth, LSU
61 Tampa Bay - C Nick Mangold, Ohio St
62 Denver - WR Martin Nance, Miami Ohio
63 Seattle - DE Manny Lawson, NC State
64 Indianapolis - CB Cedric Griffin, Texas

Major assumptions:
David Carr, John Abraham, LeCharles Bentley, Jamal Lewis, Chester Taylor, Nate Clements, Adam Archuleta, Ryan Pickett, Jeff Garcia, Drew Brees, Antwan Randle-El, Shaun Alexander, Steve Hutchinson, & Edgerrin James all resign with their respective teams.
Darren Howard, Julian Peterson, Ahman Green, & Reggie Wayne leave via free agency

Notables staying in school: Brady Quinn, Vince Young, Drew Stanton, Maurice Drew, Steve Smith, Greg Lee, Winston Justice, Levi Brown, Gaines Adams, HB Blades, Ashton Youboty, Richard Marshall, & Donte Whitner.

kastofsna120
11-23-2005, 02:03 AM
nice. i dunno if hodge will fall that far. and hill is from wash state, but i'm sure that was just a typo

SMadison29
11-23-2005, 02:05 AM
nice. i dunno if hodge will fall that far. and hill is from wash state, but i'm sure that was just a typo

LOL, I was editting that as you were posting. I kinda forgot about him.

kastofsna120
11-23-2005, 02:07 AM
i think ray edwards will go higher too

ether79
11-23-2005, 02:08 AM
Nice I like it a lot, it looks good...just for our sake I would wish Pollard would drop to us I think he'd be a fantastic SS in Saban's scheme.

ether79
11-23-2005, 02:10 AM
i think ray edwards will go higher too

He has the measurables you want...but the torture I had to go through this year waiting for him to do anything was horrible..a good combine and workout could get him onto the early 2nd, possibly late 1st though. as of right now I think SMad is right on where he'd go.

SMadison29
11-23-2005, 02:19 AM
i think ray edwards will go higher too

He didnt' have a good year this year. I don't understand why he's leaving early because he can do much better next year. Pollard didn't get along with the coaching staff this year so he's frustrated & ready to go. I'd love to get Huff, Landry, Bing, or Pollard but it just didn't work out that way.

ether79
11-23-2005, 02:24 AM
The one out of our division that scares me a little is this


19 New England - OLB Paul Posluzny, Penn St*

I think that is a perfect fit. Scary. Do you think he is really going to come out?

SMadison29
11-23-2005, 02:43 AM
The one out of our division that scares me a little is this



I think that is a perfect fit. Scary. Do you think he is really going to come out?

The only reason I think he'll leave is because Penn State won't be nearly as good next year with the entire starting secondary graduating (Phillips, Zemaitis, Harrell, & Lowry) along with starting DEs Tamba Hali & Matt Rice plus 4/5 of the starting oline & the QB. His stock is high, I'd go.

ether79
11-23-2005, 02:49 AM
The only reason I think he'll leave is because Penn State won't be nearly as good next year with the entire starting secondary graduating (Phillips, Zemaitis, Harrell, & Lowry) along with starting DEs Tamba Hali & Matt Rice plus 4/5 of the starting oline & the QB. His stock is high, I'd go.

Yeah I guess you're probably right..:chuckle: Didn't even think along those lines.

unifiedtheory
11-23-2005, 03:59 AM
Nice mock SMAd.:D

Dors156
11-23-2005, 12:07 PM
like it:Dgood job

NLude33
11-23-2005, 04:21 PM
The way things stack up now, good job!

I sure hope we can get to that #2 spot.

Oboy
11-23-2005, 10:18 PM
I think it is really good. Not sure if Carolina need another RB though. Otherwise, great mock. Can't disagree with much.

Show Me Your TDs
11-24-2005, 12:23 AM
Smadison-
I've seen your Mocks for the past couple of years and you have good input. I like what you have done with the first round but I would change several in the 2nd.

Batman13
11-24-2005, 01:05 AM
That is a really good mock, but I don't see the Texans passing on D'Brick. IMO, he is already a Texan.

kastofsna120
11-24-2005, 01:14 AM
ferguson will drop on draft day. watch and see :)

Nappy Roots
11-24-2005, 01:46 AM
1 Houston - RB Reggie Bush, USC*
2 Tennessee - QB Matt Leinart, USC
3 New York Jets - LT D'Brickishaw Ferguson, Virginia
4 New Orleans - OLB AJ Hawk, Ohio St
5 San Francisco - CB Jimmy Williams, Virginia Tech
6 Green Bay - RB Laurence Maroney, Minnesota*
7 Miami - DT Haloti Ngata, Oregon*
8 Arizona - DE Mario Williams, NC State*
9 Baltimore - LT Joe Thomas, Wisconsin*
10 Buffalo - DE Mathias Kiwanuka, Boston College
11 St. Louis - OLB Chad Greenway, Iowa
12 Cleveland - DB Michael Huff, Texas
13 Detroit - DE Tamba Hali, Penn St
14 Oakland - ILB Ahmad Brooks, Virginia*
15 Philadelphia - WR Santonio Holmes, Ohio St*
16 Minnesota - RB DeAngelo Williams, Memphis
17 Denver (from Wash) - TE Marcedes Lewis, UCLA
18 Atlanta - FS LaRon Landry, LSU*
19 New England - OLB Paul Posluzny, Penn St*
20 Kansas City - DT Claude Wroten, LSU
21 San Diego - LB DeMeco Ryans, Alabama
22 Tampa Bay - LT Eric Winston, Miami
23 Chicago - TE Vernon Davis, Maryland*
24 Carolina - RB LenDale White, USC*
25 Jacksonville - CB Tye Hill, Clemson
26 Cincinnati - DE Elvis Dumervil, Louisville
27 Pittsburgh - SS Darnell Bing, USC*
28 NY Giants - OLB Ernie Sims, Florida St*
29 Dallas - DT Gabe Watson, Michigan
30 Seattle - WR Derek Hagan, Arizona St
31 Denver - DT Rodrique Wright, Texas
32 Indianapolis - LB D’Qwell Jackson, Maryland

33 Houston - LT Jonathan Scott, Texas
34 NY Jets - DT Orien Harris, Miami
35 New Orleans - QB Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt
36 San Francisco - TE Leonard Pope, Georgia*
37 Green Bay - SS Bernard Pollard, Purdue*
38 Tennessee - OLB Thomas Howard, UTEP
39 Arizona - RT Marcus McNeil, Auburn
40 Baltimore - G Max Jean-Gilles, Georgia
41 Miami - CB DeMario Minter, Georgia
42 St. Louis - DE Darryl Tapp, Virginia Tech
43 Cleveland - OLB AJ Nicholson, Florida St
44 Detroit - G/C Jason Spitz, Louisville
45 Oakland - DE Ray Edwards, Purdue*
46 Philadelphia - RT Ryan O’Callaghan, California
47 Buffalo - LT Jeremy Trueblood, Boston College
48 Washington - WR Demetrius Williams, Oregon
49 Minnesota - C Greg Eslinger, Minnesota
50 New England - CB Jason Allen, Tennessee (inj)
51 Kansas City - WR Jason Hill, Washington St*
52 San Diego - CB Kelly Jennings, Miami
53 Atlanta - ILB Abdul Hodge, Iowa
54 Chicago - FS Greg Blue, Georgia
55 Carolina - WR Chad Jackson, Florida*
56 Jacksonville - OLB Bobby Carpenter, Ohio St
57 Cincinnati - DT Dusty Dvoracek, Oklahoma
58 Pittsburgh - DT Brodrick Bunkley, Florida St
59 NY Giants - CB Anwar Phillips, Penn St
60 Dallas - LT Andrew Whitworth, LSU
61 Tampa Bay - C Nick Mangold, Ohio St
62 Denver - WR Martin Nance, Miami Ohio
63 Seattle - DE Manny Lawson, NC State
64 Indianapolis - CB Cedric Griffin, Texas

Major assumptions:
David Carr, John Abraham, LeCharles Bentley, Jamal Lewis, Chester Taylor, Nate Clements, Adam Archuleta, Ryan Pickett, Jeff Garcia, Drew Brees, Antwan Randle-El, Shaun Alexander, Steve Hutchinson, & Edgerrin James all resign with their respective teams.
Darren Howard, Julian Peterson, Ahman Green, & Reggie Wayne leave via free agency

Notables staying in school: Brady Quinn, Vince Young, Drew Stanton, Maurice Drew, Steve Smith, Greg Lee, Winston Justice, Levi Brown, Gaines Adams, HB Blades, Ashton Youboty, Richard Marshall, & Donte Whitner.


thats my dogg with that mock right there! http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif


u guys can pretty much pencil in all that, dude knows what hes talkin about



but you think chester taylor and jamal lewis is gonna sign back with the ravens? i dunno bout that

SMadison29
11-24-2005, 02:21 AM
That is a really good mock, but I don't see the Texans passing on D'Brick. IMO, he is already a Texan.

That's one of those things where with the first & second picks you have to take the best player available, & I tried to do that with most of the picks & also trying to pair players with the right style of team.



I like what you have done with the first round but I would change several in the 2nd.

Such as? I'd like to hear what you would change.



I think it is really good. Not sure if Carolina need another RB though. Otherwise, great mock. Can't disagree with much.

That is one of those semi-shocking type picks every draft has in the first round.

The things I factored in for that pick are:
-the Panthers are currently 26th in rushing (less than 90 yards per game, last in yards per carry)
-Stephen Davis will be 32 next year & is batter & bruised
-DeShaun Foster is unreliable in terms of health & is an unrestricted free agent
-Eric Shelton is out this year with a torn ACL & will need time to heal
-the Panthers & John Fox definitely favor the power running game
-it is also about where LenDale is projected to go so it seems like a good fit

FinsAreLife
11-24-2005, 09:47 AM
1 Houston - RB Reggie Bush, USC*
2 Tennessee - QB Matt Leinart, USC
3 New York Jets - LT D'Brickishaw Ferguson, Virginia
4 New Orleans - OLB AJ Hawk, Ohio St
5 San Francisco - CB Jimmy Williams, Virginia Tech
6 Green Bay - RB Laurence Maroney, Minnesota*
7 Miami - DT Haloti Ngata, Oregon*
8 Arizona - DE Mario Williams, NC State*
9 Baltimore - LT Joe Thomas, Wisconsin*
10 Buffalo - DE Mathias Kiwanuka, Boston College
11 St. Louis - OLB Chad Greenway, Iowa
12 Cleveland - DB Michael Huff, Texas
13 Detroit - DE Tamba Hali, Penn St
14 Oakland - ILB Ahmad Brooks, Virginia*
15 Philadelphia - WR Santonio Holmes, Ohio St*
16 Minnesota - RB DeAngelo Williams, Memphis
17 Denver (from Wash) - TE Marcedes Lewis, UCLA
18 Atlanta - FS LaRon Landry, LSU*
19 New England - OLB Paul Posluzny, Penn St*
20 Kansas City - DT Claude Wroten, LSU
21 San Diego - LB DeMeco Ryans, Alabama
22 Tampa Bay - LT Eric Winston, Miami
23 Chicago - TE Vernon Davis, Maryland*
24 Carolina - RB LenDale White, USC*
25 Jacksonville - CB Tye Hill, Clemson
26 Cincinnati - DE Elvis Dumervil, Louisville
27 Pittsburgh - SS Darnell Bing, USC*
28 NY Giants - OLB Ernie Sims, Florida St*
29 Dallas - DT Gabe Watson, Michigan
30 Seattle - WR Derek Hagan, Arizona St
31 Denver - DT Rodrique Wright, Texas
32 Indianapolis - LB D’Qwell Jackson, Maryland

33 Houston - LT Jonathan Scott, Texas
34 NY Jets - DT Orien Harris, Miami
35 New Orleans - QB Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt
36 San Francisco - TE Leonard Pope, Georgia*
37 Green Bay - SS Bernard Pollard, Purdue*
38 Tennessee - OLB Thomas Howard, UTEP
39 Arizona - RT Marcus McNeil, Auburn
40 Baltimore - G Max Jean-Gilles, Georgia
41 Miami - CB DeMario Minter, Georgia
42 St. Louis - DE Darryl Tapp, Virginia Tech
43 Cleveland - OLB AJ Nicholson, Florida St
44 Detroit - G/C Jason Spitz, Louisville
45 Oakland - DE Ray Edwards, Purdue*
46 Philadelphia - RT Ryan O’Callaghan, California
47 Buffalo - LT Jeremy Trueblood, Boston College
48 Washington - WR Demetrius Williams, Oregon
49 Minnesota - C Greg Eslinger, Minnesota
50 New England - CB Jason Allen, Tennessee (inj)
51 Kansas City - WR Jason Hill, Washington St*
52 San Diego - CB Kelly Jennings, Miami
53 Atlanta - ILB Abdul Hodge, Iowa
54 Chicago - FS Greg Blue, Georgia
55 Carolina - WR Chad Jackson, Florida*
56 Jacksonville - OLB Bobby Carpenter, Ohio St
57 Cincinnati - DT Dusty Dvoracek, Oklahoma
58 Pittsburgh - DT Brodrick Bunkley, Florida St
59 NY Giants - CB Anwar Phillips, Penn St
60 Dallas - LT Andrew Whitworth, LSU
61 Tampa Bay - C Nick Mangold, Ohio St
62 Denver - WR Martin Nance, Miami Ohio
63 Seattle - DE Manny Lawson, NC State
64 Indianapolis - CB Cedric Griffin, Texas

Major assumptions:
David Carr, John Abraham, LeCharles Bentley, Jamal Lewis, Chester Taylor, Nate Clements, Adam Archuleta, Ryan Pickett, Jeff Garcia, Drew Brees, Antwan Randle-El, Shaun Alexander, Steve Hutchinson, & Edgerrin James all resign with their respective teams.
Darren Howard, Julian Peterson, Ahman Green, & Reggie Wayne leave via free agency

Notables staying in school: Brady Quinn, Vince Young, Drew Stanton, Maurice Drew, Steve Smith, Greg Lee, Winston Justice, Levi Brown, Gaines Adams, HB Blades, Ashton Youboty, Richard Marshall, & Donte Whitner.



nice mock, but i see us grabbing zemaitis from penn state in the second round, idk how you could leave him out of the frist two rounds, but besides that, its looking pretty good

RunningBackGuru
11-24-2005, 08:59 PM
Great job SMadison!

SMadison29
11-24-2005, 11:29 PM
nice mock, but i see us grabbing zemaitis from penn state in the second round, idk how you could leave him out of the frist two rounds, but besides that, its looking pretty good

There is a clear cut top 5 in cornerbacks right now. Jimmy Williams, Tye Hill, DeMario Minter, Kelly Jennings, & Jason Allen. Then the next 4 are about even between Anwar Phillips, Cedric Griffin, Alan Zemaitis, & Will Blackmon with the consensus being that Zemaitis' team mate Anwar Phillips being the better of the two. Using this logic there are only two CBs off the board when we pick in the 2nd round, so it was between Minter, Jennings, & Allen. If Jason Allen wasn't hurt this pick would be a slam dunk but he falls a little because of the injury.

kastofsna120
11-24-2005, 11:34 PM
i had zemaitis going in the first round to the pats in a mock i made a while ago. of course, the patriots were near the bottom of the first round at that point

ckparrothead
11-25-2005, 03:35 PM
Santonio Holmes and Derek Hagan you have as the only WRs in round 1, and then in round 2 you have Demetrius Williams, Jason Hill, Chad Jackson and Martin Nance. No criticisms from me, other than wondering where Hank Baskett is in all this, but just wanted to point out what kind of disparity we're seeing as far as the WR position among draft sites and draftniks. This position is not going to look very apparent until we get some Combine measurements, I think. There's certainly no Braylon Edwards or Larry Fitzgerald in this crowd, that's for sure.

ckparrothead
11-25-2005, 03:39 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Hank Baskett could end up the top WR prospect in the country after the Senior Bowl and Combine.

kastofsna120
11-25-2005, 03:44 PM
jonothan orr will be in the 1st round when it's all said and done

FinNasty
11-25-2005, 04:22 PM
1 Houston - RB Reggie Bush, USC*
2 Tennessee - QB Matt Leinart, USC
3 New York Jets - LT D'Brickishaw Ferguson, Virginia
4 New Orleans - OLB AJ Hawk, Ohio St
5 San Francisco - CB Jimmy Williams, Virginia Tech
6 Green Bay - RB Laurence Maroney, Minnesota*
7 Miami - DT Haloti Ngata, Oregon*
8 Arizona - DE Mario Williams, NC State*
9 Baltimore - LT Joe Thomas, Wisconsin*
10 Buffalo - DE Mathias Kiwanuka, Boston College
11 St. Louis - OLB Chad Greenway, Iowa
12 Cleveland - DB Michael Huff, Texas
13 Detroit - DE Tamba Hali, Penn St
14 Oakland - ILB Ahmad Brooks, Virginia*
15 Philadelphia - WR Santonio Holmes, Ohio St*
16 Minnesota - RB DeAngelo Williams, Memphis
17 Denver (from Wash) - TE Marcedes Lewis, UCLA
18 Atlanta - FS LaRon Landry, LSU*
19 New England - OLB Paul Posluzny, Penn St*
20 Kansas City - DT Claude Wroten, LSU
21 San Diego - LB DeMeco Ryans, Alabama
22 Tampa Bay - LT Eric Winston, Miami
23 Chicago - TE Vernon Davis, Maryland*
24 Carolina - RB LenDale White, USC*
25 Jacksonville - CB Tye Hill, Clemson
26 Cincinnati - DE Elvis Dumervil, Louisville
27 Pittsburgh - SS Darnell Bing, USC*
28 NY Giants - OLB Ernie Sims, Florida St*
29 Dallas - DT Gabe Watson, Michigan
30 Seattle - WR Derek Hagan, Arizona St
31 Denver - DT Rodrique Wright, Texas
32 Indianapolis - LB D’Qwell Jackson, Maryland

33 Houston - LT Jonathan Scott, Texas
34 NY Jets - DT Orien Harris, Miami
35 New Orleans - QB Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt
36 San Francisco - TE Leonard Pope, Georgia*
37 Green Bay - SS Bernard Pollard, Purdue*
38 Tennessee - OLB Thomas Howard, UTEP
39 Arizona - RT Marcus McNeil, Auburn
40 Baltimore - G Max Jean-Gilles, Georgia
41 Miami - CB DeMario Minter, Georgia
42 St. Louis - DE Darryl Tapp, Virginia Tech
43 Cleveland - OLB AJ Nicholson, Florida St
44 Detroit - G/C Jason Spitz, Louisville
45 Oakland - DE Ray Edwards, Purdue*
46 Philadelphia - RT Ryan O’Callaghan, California
47 Buffalo - LT Jeremy Trueblood, Boston College
48 Washington - WR Demetrius Williams, Oregon
49 Minnesota - C Greg Eslinger, Minnesota
50 New England - CB Jason Allen, Tennessee (inj)
51 Kansas City - WR Jason Hill, Washington St*
52 San Diego - CB Kelly Jennings, Miami
53 Atlanta - ILB Abdul Hodge, Iowa
54 Chicago - FS Greg Blue, Georgia
55 Carolina - WR Chad Jackson, Florida*
56 Jacksonville - OLB Bobby Carpenter, Ohio St
57 Cincinnati - DT Dusty Dvoracek, Oklahoma
58 Pittsburgh - DT Brodrick Bunkley, Florida St
59 NY Giants - CB Anwar Phillips, Penn St
60 Dallas - LT Andrew Whitworth, LSU
61 Tampa Bay - C Nick Mangold, Ohio St
62 Denver - WR Martin Nance, Miami Ohio
63 Seattle - DE Manny Lawson, NC State
64 Indianapolis - CB Cedric Griffin, Texas

Major assumptions:
David Carr, John Abraham, LeCharles Bentley, Jamal Lewis, Chester Taylor, Nate Clements, Adam Archuleta, Ryan Pickett, Jeff Garcia, Drew Brees, Antwan Randle-El, Shaun Alexander, Steve Hutchinson, & Edgerrin James all resign with their respective teams.
Darren Howard, Julian Peterson, Ahman Green, & Reggie Wayne leave via free agency

Notables staying in school: Brady Quinn, Vince Young, Drew Stanton, Maurice Drew, Steve Smith, Greg Lee, Winston Justice, Levi Brown, Gaines Adams, HB Blades, Ashton Youboty, Richard Marshall, & Donte Whitner.

Great Job... you can tell you put alot of time into it...

Only thing... Jason Allen... We all know this kid is a stud, but I see him falling further down because of the injury. Most teams get scared on draft day of drafting a guy coming off an injury.

I also love D'Qwell Jackson... a great playmaker and nose for the ball. But I think he is also gunna fall some more (to around mid-second) because he is so undersized at 6'0 225lbs...

Also, I am not to sure if Calvin Johnson is eligible to come out... he is a sophomore, but Im not to sure if he was red shirted... but if he does, he will definatly be in the 1st/2nd round...

great job though..

kastofsna120
11-25-2005, 04:33 PM
johnson is a true sophomore. he'll be a top 5 pick next year

FinNasty
11-25-2005, 04:37 PM
johnson is a true sophomore. he'll be a top 5 pick next year

ok tru... I wasnt to sure about his eligibility... he is a freakin stud! an absolute dominant WR! I want him in a Fin uni!

phinsfan4life1
11-25-2005, 05:17 PM
Nice draft so far.

But one thing I didn't see.. Where was the QB of the future for the phins?

Tim1958
11-25-2005, 06:09 PM
You clearly have a much better handle on the college talent than I do. You also obviously put a lot of thought into this very impressive looking mock draft. So, I would like to ask you about the Fins pick. I would have thought the ONLY 2 positions not high on our draft piority would be RB and DL! Why would we spend a 1st rd pick on our strongest position when we have no secondary, a struggling OL and no QB? Do you see other (free agent/ draft) solutions to our most glaring needs?

Nappy Roots
11-25-2005, 06:48 PM
You clearly have a much better handle on the college talent than I do. You also obviously put a lot of thought into this very impressive looking mock draft. So, I would like to ask you about the Fins pick. I would have thought the ONLY 2 positions not high on our draft piority would be RB and DL! Why would we spend a 1st rd pick on our strongest position when we have no secondary, a struggling OL and no QB? Do you see other (free agent/ draft) solutions to our most glaring needs?


because traylor is like 35, we have no quality back up. we picked secondary with our 2nd pick, our OLine isnt struggling, and theres no QB woth taking.

i didnt make the mock, but thats my thoughts on why

SMadison29
11-26-2005, 01:33 AM
No criticisms from me, other than wondering where Hank Baskett is in all this, but just wanted to point out what kind of disparity we're seeing as far as the WR position among draft sites and draftniks. This position is not going to look very apparent until we get some Combine measurements, I think. There's certainly no Braylon Edwards or Larry Fitzgerald in this crowd, that's for sure.

I know Kiper is pretty high on him, his #3 senior WR, but I'm not as high on him because I haven't seen him play &, by stat watching, he hasn't matched up against any good corners. This draft is pretty weak overall in this area, especially at the top. Receivers will come down to team preference becaise the talent level is about the same for the top 10.


I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Hank Baskett could end up the top WR prospect in the country after the Senior Bowl and Combine.

It'll be nice to see him go up against some of the top corners. I'm also interested in how fast he really is.


I also love D'Qwell Jackson... a great playmaker and nose for the ball. But I think he is also gunna fall some more (to around mid-second) because he is so undersized at 6'0 225lbs...

Tony Dungy likes players of his size at OLB, that's one of the reasons I have him so high. Dungy has a former SS, Cato June, at WLB & SLB David Thorton (6'2 230) is a free agent, so D'Qwell fits in well there.


But one thing I didn't see.. Where was the QB of the future for the phins?

I wasn't going to compromise the realism of my mock just for the sake of giving us Leinart in the first or Cutler in the 2nd. I'd love to have either but it just isn't likely.


Why would we spend a 1st rd pick on our strongest position when we have no secondary, a struggling OL and no QB? Do you see other (free agent/ draft) solutions to our most glaring needs?

I agree, our secondary is the weakest unit on the team, but you have to think about getting value on the first day regardless of position. I love Michael Huff but #6 is a bit of a reach for him. The only DB worthy of #6, according to draft experts but not me, is Jimmy Williams, who is gone before our pick in my mock. DT is a position of need for us, especially a NT. Keith Traylor & Jeff Zgonina are both well over 30. Manny Wright & Kevin Vickerson are both very raw & Vickerson is coming off a torn ACL, & Holliday is really playing out of position. So Ngata would be a nice pick for us. Our oline isn't struggling anymore. Mr. Houck seems to have fixed that. McInstosh & Carey have been great of late though I think our interior could use a boost. QB, again, it's BPA, no reaches.

ether79
11-26-2005, 01:35 AM
Hey Smad..hypothetical..say there is 15 WRs worth taking a look at with Green being 15th..where would you see him ending up?? In the 4th??

SMadison29
11-26-2005, 01:57 AM
Hey Smad..hypothetical..say there is 15 WRs worth taking a look at with Green being 15th..where would you see him ending up?? In the 4th??

That's pretty interesting because that's right where I have him, & yes, somewhere in the 4th & maybe a high in that round because he adds value as a return man.

ether79
11-26-2005, 02:05 AM
That's pretty interesting because that's right where I have him, & yes, somewhere in the 4th & maybe a high in that round because he adds value as a return man.

Sweet, the WR postion is the one I've been lacking on when it comes to projecting..I think I'm catching on now...how about Moss around the same??

SMadison29
11-26-2005, 02:47 AM
Sweet, the WR postion is the one I've been lacking on when it comes to projecting..I think I'm catching on now...how about Moss around the same??


WR this year is the hardest to get a grasp on & I'm not sure anyone really has one. Kiper's top seniors are Hagan, Moss, Baskett, Stovall, & B.Williams. A lot have D.Williams, Nance, & Avant up high. I have it as:

1-Santonio Holmes, Ohio St*
2a-Derek Hagan, Arizona St
2b-Demetrius Williams, Oregon
4-Steve Smith, USC*
5-Jason Hill, Washington St*
6-Chad Jackson, Florida*
7-Greg Lee, Pittsburgh*
8-Martin Nance, Miami Ohio
9-Hank Baskett, New Mexico
10-Sinorice Moss, Miami
11-Maurice Stovall, Notre Dame
12-Jason Avant, Michigan
13-Mike Hass, Oregon St
14-Brandon Williams, Wisconsin
15-Travis Wilson, Oklahoma
16-Skyler Green, LSU
17-Jonathan Orr, Wisconsin
18-Todd Watkins, BYU
19-Greg Jennings, Western Michigan
20-Nicheron Flowers, Nevada

kastofsna120
11-26-2005, 02:55 AM
if sinorice moss is better than mike hass than moss must be incredible. he's not

SMadison29
11-26-2005, 03:09 AM
if sinorice moss is better than mike hass than moss must be incredible. he's not

I haven't seen anyone of relevance rate Hass better than Moss.

kastofsna120
11-26-2005, 03:14 AM
I haven't seen anyone of relevance rate Hass better than Moss.
moss isn't better at hass in any area other than speed

SMadison29
11-26-2005, 04:16 AM
moss isn't better at hass in any area other than speed

I agree that Moss isn't that great. He has good speed & agility but that's all I see of him. He's another Roscoe, not Santana.

Toneboy
11-27-2005, 11:03 AM
Nice work SMadison.

What kind of players do you think the Fins might be looking at in the 3rd & 4th rounds?

Nappy Roots
11-27-2005, 12:44 PM
if sinorice moss is better than mike hass than moss must be incredible. he's not


why is hass really that good? i dont think so IMO. i would rate him above Avant. but if alot of Juniors come out, which they should because this WR class sucks, then he could fall pretty far.

SMadison29
11-27-2005, 06:46 PM
Nice work SMadison.

What kind of players do you think the Fins might be looking at in the 3rd & 4th rounds?

In the 3rd I'd say BPA. Since we'd be the 8th pick in the 3rd round here's an idea: WRs Hank Baskett & Sinorice Moss, TE Dominique Byrd, C Ryan Cook, DE Kamerion Wimbley, OLB/ILBs Rocky McIntosh & Spencer Havner, CB Alan Zemaitis, & FS Anthony Smith (listed 9 players because TE is a postion we'll probably avoid).

In the 4th QB Whitehurst or Croyle.