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phunwin
11-23-2005, 10:56 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2234421

Carlos Delgado appears headed to the Mets for Yusmeiro Petit and Mike Jacobs. Hopefully Omar Minaya talked to him and worked things out after that disastrous free agent recruitment.

RWhitney014
11-23-2005, 11:15 AM
%$!^!^

How could we not get Heilman or Milledge? We now have 10 SP prospects, and nowhere to put all of them. This sucks to me, because the last time we traded a star within the division it was Mike Piazza. How'd that work out?

Anyway, how good are Jacobs and Petit?

MikeO
11-23-2005, 11:17 AM
Jacobs can hit. He can play.

dominizzo
11-23-2005, 11:22 AM
Woow Florida looks gone i think they will be bad if there palnning to unload all there talent

NJFINSFAN1
11-23-2005, 11:23 AM
Yep, just heard and came back in to Post. Great trade.

Jacobs has a future, but has not hit leftys as of yet.

But we are in a win now mode!

MR WAGNER, COME ON ABOARD!

NJFINSFAN1
11-23-2005, 11:24 AM
Jacobs can hit. He can play.

remember, he is new to 1st base. He is a catcher by trade.

ChambersWI
11-23-2005, 11:32 AM
Jacobs will be a good one, and I like Petit. We're still probably going to suck next year.

So right now the line-up will look something like this.

C-(Whoever we get for Lo Duca)
1b-Jacobs
2b-Castillo(or whoever we get for him)
SS-HamRam
3b-Cabs
LF-Willingham/Conine?
CF-JP/Aguila/Whoever we get for JP
RF-Hermida

SP-Willis
SP-Vargas
SP-Johnson?
SP-Petit?
SP-Olsen?

Petit is probably good enough to start for us right away, Sanchez might or might not be ready.

Looks like a promising future, but we'll suck unless someone steps up and helps Miggy and D-Train.

arsenal
11-23-2005, 11:35 AM
maaaan i didn't want the mets to trade jacobs... i understand win now, but i feel like jacobs could develop into a quality player for a while... ehhhhhh

dob72
11-23-2005, 11:37 AM
what a steal oh wait is it a steal when there not trying to get anything back

phunwin
11-23-2005, 11:52 AM
I've got mixed feelings on this one.

On the one hand, Delgado is a power hitting first baseman and gives the Mets precisely what they need in the middle of the lineup. He's consistent and he costs a LOT less than Manny Ramirez would, in both cash and prospects. Plus, the Marlins are paying about $7 million of his remaining $48M in salary, which is a nice bonus.

On the other, I believe, as Buster Olney said in his ESPN blog today, that they could have gotten Delgado even cheaper. The Marlins were dying to move his contract and there weren't a lot of suitors. It was basically the Mets and the Orioles, and the O's weren't offering much. I think the Mets could have probably said, "we'll take his contract, give you Mike Jacobs and you'll be happy with that." Moreover, I've yet to read that the Mets sat down with Delgado and worked out all the bad blood that developed from the catastrophic recruitment of him last year as a free agent. If they didn't, they've picked up an unhappy, expensive player who can demand a trade after the season. Not so good.

So I don't know. If the word over the next few days is that Delgado is happy with this, then I'm okay with the deal.

MikeO
11-23-2005, 11:57 AM
Delgado just took a lot of pressure off of Beltran I will tell you that much. The media will be all over Delgado now. Think he will stand for the national anthem and in the 7th inning stretch in NY for 81 games??? The media is gonna be all over him. Beltran can take a deep breath and just play now.

phunwin
11-23-2005, 11:58 AM
%$!^!^

How could we not get Heilman or Milledge? We now have 10 SP prospects, and nowhere to put all of them. This sucks to me, because the last time we traded a star within the division it was Mike Piazza. How'd that work out?

Anyway, how good are Jacobs and Petit?

I know nothing about Petit aside from his measurables:
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/P/yusmeiro-petit.shtml

Petit was 20 last year and dominated AA. That K/BB ratio is insane. At 6-0, 180, he's on the smallish size for a power pitcher, though, so durability may be an issue. Figure he's at least a year away from the bigs.

I think Jacobs is all right. I don't think he's as good as he showed last season, though. Ultimately, I think he'll be one of those first basemen who hits about .280/.350/.450 and plays about 120 games because he has to sit out against left handed pitching.

dob72
11-23-2005, 12:54 PM
from what i hear there gonna move delgado to the soxs for manny now

NJFINSFAN1
11-23-2005, 01:05 PM
from what i hear there gonna move delgado to the soxs for manny now

Then who plays first since we traded Jacobs to you?

I don't think so.

phunwin
11-23-2005, 01:13 PM
from what i hear there gonna move delgado to the soxs for manny now

You got a source for that, Mr. Gammons?


Then who plays first since we traded Jacobs to you?

Probably Nady. He was going to platoon with Jacobs anyway. But I'm not buying this in the first place, so it's probably a moot point.

FaninPatsyLand
11-23-2005, 01:34 PM
from what i hear there gonna move delgado to the soxs for manny now

Nah man, with Lowell coming aboard we're gonna shift Youkilis over to first base. The kid's been ready for a year now we just haven't had a place to play him. With Millar's sorry *** leaving, it gives the "greek god of walks" a place to play...

Ray Finkle
11-23-2005, 02:36 PM
Petit is a pretty good pitching prospect. However I agree that this was a bad trade because the Marlins didn't get Lasting Milledge in the deal. Especially with Pierre (apparently) leaving next year.

Maybe the Mets finally have hope for the future....

I agree with MikeO the NY reporters are going to KILL Delgado. He also is bringing in a lot of baggage after bashing Omar and the Mets last offseason. But he does take pressure off of Beltran which is good.

Mike and the Mad Dog were talking on WFAN today about Carlos and they don't think the Mets will be able to count on him in a big spot and they think he's got some issues he has to deal with besides the not standing up for God Bless America. Apparently a former teammate of his (I believe it was a player on the 2004 Marlins) told Mad Dog a few days ago that Carlos sometimes doesn't care about playing and jsut goes through the motions.

phunwin
11-23-2005, 02:37 PM
Yeah, they like Youkilis a lot, so dealing for Delgado doesn't make much sense now unless they're content to stick Lowell on the bench and accept eating his salary as a necessary cost of doing business. Either that or move Youkilis to Man-Ram's old spot.

phunwin
11-23-2005, 02:45 PM
I agree with MikeO the NY reporters are going to KILL Delgado. He also is bringing in a lot of baggage after bashing Omar and the Mets last offseason. But he does take pressure off of Beltran which is good.


I think this is overblown. If the Mets really wanted a lightning rod to take pressure off Beltran, wouldn't Manny Ramirez make about 10x more sense? And if the NY media is going to crucify Delgado, why go get him in the first place when he can demand a trade at the end of the year? Wouldn't that sort of thing tend to mitigate AGAINST him staying?

If they got Delgado to be a lightning rod to take criticism away from Beltran, it would seem that the cure is worse than the disease.

Ray Finkle
11-23-2005, 03:00 PM
I think this is overblown. If the Mets really wanted a lightning rod to take pressure off Beltran, wouldn't Manny Ramirez make about 10x more sense? And if the NY media is going to crucify Delgado, why go get him in the first place when he can demand a trade at the end of the year? Wouldn't that sort of thing tend to mitigate AGAINST him staying?

If they got Delgado to be a lightning rod to take criticism away from Beltran, it would seem that the cure is worse than the disease.

Omar wasn't going to wait until Feb or March to get Manny though. And maybe Omar knows Manny wouldn't come to NY.

I'm not saying the Mets got Delgado just to get attention off of Beltran with the media. Delgado is a good player and they got him for nothing basically.

phunwin
11-23-2005, 05:20 PM
Omar wasn't going to wait until Feb or March to get Manny though. And maybe Omar knows Manny wouldn't come to NY.

I'm not saying the Mets got Delgado just to get attention off of Beltran with the media. Delgado is a good player and they got him for nothing basically.

True. And of course, this doesn't necessarily preclude them from getting Manny, though I can't imagine how they'll absorb Delgado's $12 million and Manny's $20 million and still be players for Wagner and a catcher unless they want a payroll around $150 million.

As I said before, though, I think they could have gotten Delgado for even less. I think that if push came to shove, the Marlins would have taken Jacobs straight up. I don't know, maybe I'm underestimating the Orioles' interest, or maybe some other team would have jumped into the bidding.

MikeO
11-23-2005, 05:41 PM
Manny will be in LAA or Seattle

NJFINSFAN1
11-23-2005, 05:43 PM
True. And of course, this doesn't necessarily preclude them from getting Manny, though I can't imagine how they'll absorb Delgado's $12 million and Manny's $20 million and still be players for Wagner and a catcher unless they want a payroll around $150 million.

As I said before, though, I think they could have gotten Delgado for even less. I think that if push came to shove, the Marlins would have taken Jacobs straight up. I don't know, maybe I'm underestimating the Orioles' interest, or maybe some other team would have jumped into the bidding.

SORIANO WILL BE A MET AFTER WAGNER.;)

QB2RonnieTD23
11-24-2005, 10:33 AM
I like the trade for the Mets. Even though the Mets are the Mets and they'll find a way to screw up their solid off-season addition. This give them the bat in the middle of the order they need, that solid 4-5 hitter than will drive fear into opposing pitchers, forcing them to pitch to Wright, Reyes and Beltran due to them not wanting to load the bases for a guy like Delgado. Look for Wright and Beltran to get more down the plate stuff, and if they play that right they could hit and get in scoring position for Delgado or the rest of the Met lineup and produce runs.....