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Section126
11-23-2005, 12:19 PM
You really should know what you are talking about before you post on a subject.

The average salary in 1997 was $1,383,578. The Marlins were 7th in Payroll.

The average salary of a Marlins player was $1,776,200. (30 players)

That is a +13,087 overage per player....

The minimum salary was $150,000.

All this means is that the 1997 Marlins would have been $300,000 over the cap.....I think they would have come under the cap and still won.


So...no......a salary cap would not have prevented the 1997 Marlins from winning.


The Marlins only added two free agents of any significance in 1997. Bobby Bonilla and Moises Alou. Alex Fernandez got hurt in his first playoff start and missed the rest of the season.

Section126
11-23-2005, 12:22 PM
SO..do not cheat Marlins fans of what their franchise has accomplished in such a short time.

and I AM NOT THAT BIG OF A MARLINS FAN!

It's just a little bit much with these Yankees fans....around here.

phunwin
11-23-2005, 01:18 PM
I'm a little surprised that anyone would accuse them of buying a championship. There was a pretty fair amount of homegrown talent on that team. As a baseball fan, I'm more upset at how they blew the entire team apart hours after winning the title and basically gave their fans the middle finger and set the tone for being a classless, directionless franchise that wavers between being big market and small market depending on the weather.

nyjunc
11-23-2005, 01:23 PM
You really should know what you are talking about before you post on a subject.

The average salary in 1997 was $1,383,578. The Marlins were 7th in Payroll.

The average salary of a Marlins player was $1,776,200. (30 players)

That is a +13,087 overage per player....

The minimum salary was $150,000.

All this means is that the 1997 Marlins would have been $300,000 over the cap.....I think they would have come under the cap and still won.


So...no......a salary cap would not have prevented the 1997 Marlins from winning.


The Marlins only added two free agents of any significance in 1997. Bobby Bonilla and Moises Alou. Alex Fernandez got hurt in his first playoff start and missed the rest of the season.


What is your source on the payroll figures? Secondly, most of the team was not homegrown and did Alex Fernandez not help you get to the playoffs? So he counts. Bonilla & alou were vital players, Eisenrich was big in the WS, don't forget about the acqusition of Daulton midseason which sparked you guys, Craig counsell, Al leiter, Kevin Brown, Livan was an int'l FA.

Maybe bought is a strong word but this was brought about by whiny Marlins fans claiming the yanks bought titles in the 90s which isn't true, this Marlin team was much closer to bought than we were. Most of the team was NOT homegrown.

nyjunc
11-23-2005, 01:24 PM
All this means is that the 1997 Marlins would have been $300,000 over the cap

What cap? how would you know what a cap would have been at?

Section126
11-23-2005, 01:30 PM
What cap? how would you know what a cap would have been at?


I went by the model that was used by the NFL and NBA. Both leagues used the median salary multiplied by the amount of players under contract.

My source is the Baseball reference site. it is the best for historical stats and figures.

nyjunc
11-23-2005, 01:43 PM
By the way, let's not get confused w/ what I am saying. I never said they didn't desrve to win or should give it back. They did what they had to do to win so quickly after they were born. The only reason this is even borught up is b/c others are once again spouting off misinformation about the Yankees buying Championships.

nyjunc
11-23-2005, 01:46 PM
I use basbeall-reference, where does it say the average salaries and the team salaries?

Section126
11-23-2005, 01:54 PM
I use basbeall-reference, where does it say the average salaries and the team salaries?

You go to the team pages and it is there.

If you want it quicker.....USA Today has a data base for Baseball Salaries from 1952 to the present day.

nyjunc
11-23-2005, 01:58 PM
You go to the team pages and it is there.

If you want it quicker.....USA Today has a data base for Baseball Salaries from 1952 to the present day.

At BB ref you have to add the salaries, that's a pain. At USA Today it only goes back to '88, you have a link that goes back to '52?

Section126
11-23-2005, 02:03 PM
At BB ref you have to add the salaries, that's a pain. At USA Today it only goes back to '88, you have a link that goes back to '52?


You have to subscribe...and the links you are pulling out of the web...are inaccurate. Usa Today did not add the reserves...they only credited each team with their opening day roster salaries and not the full salaried roster.