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NCDolphan
11-24-2005, 11:19 PM
This is a post to those of you I deem, the "so-called fans" of the Miami Dolphins. It sickens me to see these posts about, "why watch now" or "Hope we lose so we can pick higher". One word for you ... WAAAAA! Cry me a river, so we aren't going to the playoffs this year. I watch EVERY single game because I am a real Fan. Those of you that can watch a game and hope we lose make me sick. If you want the number 1 pick so bad then pull for frickin Houston. Wonder why we struggle to sell out a home game. I hate that some fans of MY team are so fake. If you agree with me, then I apologize and you are welcome over for Ribs and cold beer for the Raider game.

Sincerely,
Patient Fan who understands it takes time to build a TEAM!

P.S. If you take offense to this then you are whom I speak of.

kastofsna120
11-24-2005, 11:20 PM
i find this very offensive

NCDolphan
11-24-2005, 11:22 PM
Why? Do you hope we lose, or just don't want to watch anymore.

kastofsna120
11-24-2005, 11:23 PM
i hope we lose so we get leinart. i'll still watch though. i want to see progress and find out where we need work. like saban. and i want to watch brown run

fishypete
11-24-2005, 11:23 PM
I've watched every game I could for the last 37 years or so...I don't think it makes me more of a fan than anyone else....maybe just luckier. GO PHINS.

Prime
11-24-2005, 11:29 PM
i hope we lose so we get leinart. i'll still watch though. i want to see progress and find out where we need work. like saban. and i want to watch brown run


REAL fans want there team to win each and every game. Unlike you, I actually want my team to do good against the other teams. One more thing there bud, we won't get Leinart, so just put a stop to it.

NCDolphan
11-24-2005, 11:29 PM
I just simply CAN NOT hope we play poor enough to lose. New England's last top 5 pick was McGinest @ 4 in like 95, i think. My point is a top 5 pick does not = success the next year, but playing good football and building confidence might help.

ffphin
11-24-2005, 11:33 PM
I never want to see Miami lose any game EVER.... But it would be nice to have a higher draft pick. So I still hope we win this weekend and every weekend. GOOD POST MAN!!!!

kastofsna120
11-24-2005, 11:33 PM
REAL fans want there team to win each and every game. Unlike you, I actually want my team to do good against the other teams. One more thing there bud, we won't get Leinart, so just put a stop to it.
guess i'm not a real fan. who cares

Prime
11-24-2005, 11:35 PM
guess i'm not a real fan. who cares


If you want your team to lose, then no. I don't really care if you are a real fan or not, I was just giving you what I thought.

NCDolphan
11-24-2005, 11:35 PM
Admitting is the first step.

ffphin
11-24-2005, 11:36 PM
I can see y some fans want us to lose but I just dont have the heart to want OUR team to lose.

kastofsna120
11-24-2005, 11:37 PM
whatever. i WANT US TO LOSE these next 6 games so we can get leinart and win some super bowls down the road. i don't want to win a few games and draft jimmy williams or whatever and make our defense better, but meanwhile we still have no QB and we win maybe 1-2 more games a season. 6 losses is a nice sacrifice for success

ffphin
11-24-2005, 11:39 PM
But its not guarenteed to be a sucess look at what happened to San Diego with Leaf... That set them back 6 years.

NCDolphan
11-24-2005, 11:40 PM
So lienart gets a super bowl?? I know you like him, and I agree he seems like a good Prospect but Peyton still hasn;t won one yet. He is not the missing piece. By the way I would gladly take Jimmy williams with a top twelve pick. He is a beast, watch him in Jacksonville on the 3rd.

kastofsna120
11-24-2005, 11:40 PM
But its not guarenteed to be a sucess look at what happened to San Diego with Leaf... That set them back 6 years.
sitting back and not taking risks never works for you

fishypete
11-24-2005, 11:41 PM
whatever. i WANT US TO LOSE these next 6 games so we can get leinart and win some super bowls down the road. i don't want to win a few games and draft jimmy williams or whatever and make our defense better, but meanwhile we still have no QB and we win maybe 1-2 more games a season. 6 losses is a nice sacrifice for success

Sorry if you think Leinart is going to win you games by himself....he hasn't and he won't.

kastofsna120
11-24-2005, 11:42 PM
Why don't you have any faith in the other QB's going in the draft or the FA QB's?
http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?t=110354

Sorry if you think Leinart is going to win you games by himself....he hasn't and he won't.
we won't win games with frerotte

Prime
11-24-2005, 11:43 PM
Sorry if you think Leinart is going to win you games by himself....he hasn't and he won't.


Agreed. One player can't lead a team to the SB by himself. I'm sure that Leinart will be a very good QB, but that doesn't mean that he can lead a team to the SB.

ffphin
11-24-2005, 11:43 PM
I'm not saying that but wishing your team to lose is treasen (misspelled). I just can't wish that uppon the Fins for a player who may or may not be a new Leaf or a new Peyton.

Fin Fan in Cali
11-24-2005, 11:48 PM
This is a post to those of you I deem, the "so-called fans" of the Miami Dolphins. It sickens me to see these posts about, "why watch now" or "Hope we lose so we can pick higher". One word for you ... WAAAAA! Cry me a river, so we aren't going to the playoffs this year. I watch EVERY single game because I am a real Fan. Those of you that can watch a game and hope we lose make me sick. If you want the number 1 pick so bad then pull for frickin Houston. Wonder why we struggle to sell out a home game. I hate that some fans of MY team are so fake. If you agree with me, then I apologize and you are welcome over for Ribs and cold beer for the Raider game.

Sincerely,
Patient Fan who understands it takes time to build a TEAM!

P.S. If you take offense to this then you are whom I speak of.Totally agree Bro!

ghost_fish
11-24-2005, 11:49 PM
The Dolphins need a winning attitude more than a high draft pick... we get draft picks regardless of our record

NCDolphan
11-24-2005, 11:50 PM
Agreed frerotte is obviously not the answer. There are other good QB's in draft (3 may still declare) not to mention a trade possibility with SD for Rivers who is a proven winner. (4 Bowl game MVP, including senior bowl) I would prefer him anyway. You build a TEAM with the draft, and teams aren't built with all top 5 picks. I hope i don't have to list the stars.....Brady (6th) and so on.

kastofsna120
11-24-2005, 11:56 PM
Agreed frerotte is obviously not the answer. There are other good QB's in draft (3 may still declare) not to mention a trade possibility with SD for Rivers who is a proven winner. (4 Bowl game MVP, including senior bowl) I would prefer him anyway. You build a TEAM with the draft, and teams aren't built with all top 5 picks. I hope i don't have to list the stars.....Brady (6th) and so on.
build with the draft, yet trade draft picks for a crappy QB? i'd be more impressed with rivers' bowl MVPs if they were in something better than the citrus bowl

you people act like i said leinart will be the only reason we win. OBVIOUSLY we need better and younger players on defense, more consistency from the receviers and some more depth up front on the o-line would be nice. but we're not gonna do ANYTHING without a franchise QB, unless you think first round exits every year is something

and rivers sucks, let's cut the talk on him

phin lockeroom
11-24-2005, 11:56 PM
Great post man.... i was thinking the same thing ...... yes our season is over .. but that doesn't meen we can't keep winning ...

NCDolphan
11-25-2005, 12:03 AM
Yeah Rivers is awful. Try Gator bowl, not to mention Senior bowl, so study up before you spew garbage.
http://www.nflplayers.com/players/player.aspx?id=35663

You may not want him but try and refrain from saying such idiotic things. Anyway we are getting of topic, you can build a solid team with draft picks like any other team. Losing out does more damage to the team than picking 4 picks higher.

kastofsna120
11-25-2005, 12:08 AM
Yeah Rivers is awful. Try Gator bowl, not to mention Senior bowl, so study up before you spew garbage.
http://www.nflplayers.com/players/player.aspx?id=35663

You may not want him but try and refrain from saying such idiotic things. Anyway we are getting of topic, you can build a solid team with draft picks like any other team. Losing out does more damage to the team than picking 4 picks higher.
lol, i know what he was MVP of. i just don't care. that means absolutely nothing in the NFL. he has no arm, bad mechanics, and doesn't read the defense down the field. doesn't sound good to me. maybe in college at the citrus bowl

actually it wasn't the citrus bowl he was the MVP of. it was two tangerine bowls and the "micronpc.com bowl." very prestigous. he's quite the winner

Nappy Roots
11-25-2005, 12:10 AM
he has no arm, bad mechanics, and doesn't read the defense down the field.


bad mechanics? has one the quickest releases in football, theres no hitch or problem with it at all. he has a decent arm, cant say i agree with any of that.

kastofsna120
11-25-2005, 12:13 AM
bad mechanics? has one the quickest releases in football, theres no hitch or problem with it at all. he has a decent arm, cant say i agree with any of that.
ehh i meant bad release. and he doesn't have a decent arm, he has a horrible arm

NCDolphan
11-25-2005, 12:14 AM
Beat Notre Dame in Gator Bowl in 03 as well. It is amazing you find no talent in one of leading NCAA QB's of all time. but again not what the thread is about. We all know what opinions are like, but losing out will not help us be a better team, and if you can't see that then oh well. May you and Raider nation have a great weekend.

Nappy Roots
11-25-2005, 12:14 AM
ehh i meant bad release. and he doesn't have a decent arm, he has a horrible arm


i disagree. his release is fine, its not the perfect slot, but its not bad.

also, he has plenty of zip on short passes, which is the most important thing. and he has enough zip on balls thrown down field. he has a decent arm.

kastofsna120
11-25-2005, 12:15 AM
nope


oh yeah, i looked it up and he actually lost one of the tangerine bowls he won the MVP in

NCDolphan
11-25-2005, 12:18 AM
i disagree. his release is fine, its not the perfect slot, but its not bad.

also, he has plenty of zip on short passes, which is the most important thing. and he has enough zip on balls thrown down field. he has a decent arm.

You are correct, it amazes me that I never saw a weak arm in the over 25 games I watched live from Carter-Finley. To say he has a weak arm is to say TO is shy.

NCDolphan
11-25-2005, 12:19 AM
nope


oh yeah, i looked it up and he actually lost one of the tangerine bowls he won the MVP in

MVP of a losing team, wow his stats must have been gaudy. I will save you the time it takes to look it up. They were.

NCDolphan
11-25-2005, 12:20 AM
http://www.nflplayers.com/players/player.aspx?id=35663


Just for Kas

NCDolphan
11-25-2005, 12:21 AM
so you don't have to research anymore.:D

saves
11-25-2005, 12:21 AM
So we should loose all our games just to take a gamble on a QB who may or may not be good instead of winning as many as we can, showing that we still have pride as a team, picking the BPA to help our team, and looking attractive to big name FA's in the process.

Hmm...

Are you or are you not the guy that said Marino was over-rated?

kastofsna120
11-25-2005, 12:22 AM
MVP of a losing team, wow his stats must have been gaudy. I will save you the time it takes to look it up. They were.
nope. he had 189 yards passing. final score: pittsburgh 34, nc state 19. no clue how he won it. probably because he won it the previous year and there was no one else of note in the game (odd that no one cares about the tangerine bowl)

time to get a new argument buddy

NCDolphan
11-25-2005, 12:24 AM
I don't have to defend him, his play spoke for himself, but I left you a link to check out, guess nothing of interest to you huh?

kastofsna120
11-25-2005, 12:25 AM
nope, not really. just some stuff i, and everyone else, has known about his collegiate career for years now. nothing new to change my opinion on him. nothing that says he doesn't have a weak arm anymore, nothing that doesn't say he's scared to throw more than 15 yards downfield, nothing about his inability to escape the pocket, etc

1334
11-25-2005, 12:25 AM
nope. he had 189 yards passing. final score: pittsburgh 34, nc state 19. no clue how he won it. probably because he won it the previous year and there was no one else of note in the game (odd that no one cares about the tangerine bowl)

time to get a new argument buddy
Please don't get a new argument! I am drinking beers being entertained on Thanksgiving by you guys arguing over your opinions. Nobody will know if this guy is great for the Dolphins, because he probably won't ever be a Dolphin. If he does become our QB, then one of you can tell the other "I told You". Please continue you're discussion, because there is no other topics on this forum.

NCDolphan
11-25-2005, 12:30 AM
So lienart with inferior stats IS the answer because?

kastofsna120
11-25-2005, 12:32 AM
So lienart with inferior stats IS the answer because?
you're right, stats are the most important thing when scouting a quarterback for the NFL

draft cody hodges

NCDolphan
11-25-2005, 12:34 AM
I just asked why he was the answer, The stats comment was in regards to Rivers only. I want to know why you feel he is worth us simply not showing up on Sundays.

WazzMan16
11-25-2005, 12:36 AM
Joey Harrington to Miami next season!:D

NCDolphan
11-25-2005, 12:37 AM
???

dolfan121
11-25-2005, 12:37 AM
This is a post to those of you I deem, the "so-called fans" of the Miami Dolphins. It sickens me to see these posts about, "why watch now" or "Hope we lose so we can pick higher". One word for you ... WAAAAA! Cry me a river, so we aren't going to the playoffs this year. I watch EVERY single game because I am a real Fan. Those of you that can watch a game and hope we lose make me sick. If you want the number 1 pick so bad then pull for frickin Houston. Wonder why we struggle to sell out a home game. I hate that some fans of MY team are so fake. If you agree with me, then I apologize and you are welcome over for Ribs and cold beer for the Raider game.

Sincerely,
Patient Fan who understands it takes time to build a TEAM!

P.S. If you take offense to this then you are whom I speak of.

OUTSTANDING POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ark139954
11-25-2005, 12:38 AM
This is a post to those of you I deem, the "so-called fans" of the Miami Dolphins. It sickens me to see these posts about, "why watch now" or "Hope we lose so we can pick higher". One word for you ... WAAAAA! Cry me a river, so we aren't going to the playoffs this year. I watch EVERY single game because I am a real Fan. Those of you that can watch a game and hope we lose make me sick. If you want the number 1 pick so bad then pull for frickin Houston. Wonder why we struggle to sell out a home game. I hate that some fans of MY team are so fake. If you agree with me, then I apologize and you are welcome over for Ribs and cold beer for the Raider game.

Sincerely,
Patient Fan who understands it takes time to build a TEAM!

P.S. If you take offense to this then you are whom I speak of.anyone on this website is a real fan

dolfan121
11-25-2005, 12:39 AM
I can see y some fans want us to lose but I just dont have the heart to want OUR team to lose.

very true!!!!!!

GCD960
11-25-2005, 12:45 AM
anyone on this website is a real fan


hate to disagree but...........

tmny99
11-25-2005, 12:58 AM
I just saw that the Phins game will be televised here in Athens!! I'll be watching to see my team win. I'll take victories and a start of a team identity than a higher draft choice.

tmny99
11-25-2005, 12:59 AM
By the way, who said Marino was overrated??

kastofsna120
11-25-2005, 01:11 AM
By the way, who said Marino was overrated??
me

Phin_Phan
11-25-2005, 01:11 AM
This is a post to those of you I deem, the "so-called fans" of the Miami Dolphins. It sickens me to see these posts about, "why watch now" or "Hope we lose so we can pick higher". One word for you ... WAAAAA! Cry me a river, so we aren't going to the playoffs this year. I watch EVERY single game because I am a real Fan. Those of you that can watch a game and hope we lose make me sick. If you want the number 1 pick so bad then pull for frickin Houston. Wonder why we struggle to sell out a home game. I hate that some fans of MY team are so fake. If you agree with me, then I apologize and you are welcome over for Ribs and cold beer for the Raider game.

Sincerely,
Patient Fan who understands it takes time to build a TEAM!

P.S. If you take offense to this then you are whom I speak of.

All we are sayin is since we are out of the playoff race why not get a higher pick so we will be in it in the next year or so.......its just easier to take a loss now compared if we were goin into a wild card race...and I believe u said "WAAAA! cry me a river" its seems to me that you are the one who's cryin

saves
11-25-2005, 01:17 AM
By the way, who said Marino was overrated??

our bud katso

NCDolphan
11-25-2005, 01:18 AM
All we are sayin is since we are out of the playoff race why not get a higher pick so we will be in it in the next year or so.......its just easier to take a loss now compared if we were goin into a wild card race...and I believe u said "WAAAA! cry me a river" its seems to me that you are the one who's cryin

Makes no sense. I am simply pulling for my Team, unlike some others who are want us to fail the rest of the season. My comment was directed to those people and they can cry me a river. Try and keep up.

NCDolphan
11-25-2005, 01:20 AM
Well I appreciate the company fellow Fin Fans. Good night to all, even Katso, LOL:lol:

P.S. Beat the hell out the Raiders!!

saves
11-25-2005, 01:22 AM
All we are sayin is since we are out of the playoff race why not get a higher pick so we will be in it in the next year or so.......its just easier to take a loss now compared if we were goin into a wild card race...and I believe u said "WAAAA! cry me a river" its seems to me that you are the one who's cryin

Taking more losses this year has no relationship at all with a loss next year. Building a foundation for winning dosn't start with loosing. This team needs to know they can compete with anyone in the leauge and it will definatly loose its edge with a mentality that you want to give it. Wanting to give up just for a higher draft pick is damn selfish to all the players that go out there all year practicing and working out to win games, I'd love to hear you say that to any one of them.

dolfanate1
11-25-2005, 01:23 AM
leinart is overrated, and has the best offensive cast in the country. Brady Quinn is a better pro QB

tmny99
11-25-2005, 01:27 AM
me

How the heck is Marino overrated???

kastofsna120
11-25-2005, 01:31 AM
How the heck is Marino overrated???
because he's not as good as people say he is. 5th best QB of all time

tmny99
11-25-2005, 01:33 AM
because he's not as good as people say he is. 5th best QB of all time

Because he never won a ring? Who are better?

kastofsna120
11-25-2005, 01:34 AM
Because he never won a ring? Who are better?
montana, unitas, brady, elway

calphin
11-25-2005, 01:35 AM
This is a post to those of you I deem, the "so-called fans" of the Miami Dolphins. It sickens me to see these posts about, "why watch now" or "Hope we lose so we can pick higher". One word for you ... WAAAAA! Cry me a river, so we aren't going to the playoffs this year. I watch EVERY single game because I am a real Fan. Those of you that can watch a game and hope we lose make me sick. If you want the number 1 pick so bad then pull for frickin Houston. Wonder why we struggle to sell out a home game. I hate that some fans of MY team are so fake. If you agree with me, then I apologize and you are welcome over for Ribs and cold beer for the Raider game.

Sincerely,
Patient Fan who understands it takes time to build a TEAM!

P.S. If you take offense to this then you are whom I speak of.





I agree 100%,good post.

saves
11-25-2005, 01:36 AM
Because he never won a ring? Who are better?

Just search back and see this worthless arguement instead of starting a new one.

The issue here is people need to sit back and root for our freaking team.



You play to win the game. Its that simple.

What a good quote by H. Edwards.

PassRush
11-25-2005, 01:37 AM
I just simply CAN NOT hope we play poor enough to lose. New England's last top 5 pick was McGinest @ 4 in like 95, i think. My point is a top 5 pick does not = success the next year, but playing good football and building confidence might help.
That is actualy an excelent point. I do agree with you, I could never hope for the fins to lose and I could never miss a game and not feel bad about it

calphin
11-25-2005, 01:43 AM
What everybody that wants us to lose just to get a better pick fails to realize,is that just because we get a high pick doesn't mean that we get a high quality player,ala ryan Leaf and many others.

kastofsna120
11-25-2005, 01:46 AM
What everybody that wants us to lose just to get a better pick fails to realize,is that just because we get a high pick doesn't mean that we get a high quality player,ala ryan Leaf and many others.
if we get leinart we get a quality player

Boik14
11-25-2005, 01:48 AM
This is a post to those of you I deem, the "so-called fans" of the Miami Dolphins. It sickens me to see these posts about, "why watch now" or "Hope we lose so we can pick higher". One word for you ... WAAAAA! Cry me a river, so we aren't going to the playoffs this year. I watch EVERY single game because I am a real Fan. Those of you that can watch a game and hope we lose make me sick. If you want the number 1 pick so bad then pull for frickin Houston. Wonder why we struggle to sell out a home game. I hate that some fans of MY team are so fake. If you agree with me, then I apologize and you are welcome over for Ribs and cold beer for the Raider game.

Sincerely,
Patient Fan who understands it takes time to build a TEAM!

P.S. If you take offense to this then you are whom I speak of. A F'n men. I said it would take time to build this team all preseason but i got panned for being pessimistic.

All these people who want a top 5 pick forget it takes a buttload to sign them, they can always go bust, and it hurts team morale regardless of how good the coach is. The people who want a top 5 are what I commonly call fair weather fans because in no way is a top 5 pick in the best interest of the team.

saves
11-25-2005, 01:48 AM
if we get leinart we get a quality player
says you....your opinion isn't gold bud

kastofsna120
11-25-2005, 01:49 AM
says you....your opinion isn't gold bud
actually it is. you didn't get the PM informing you of this?

Boik14
11-25-2005, 01:49 AM
if we get leinart we get a quality playerPossibly. We'll also have to shell out double what we needed to sign Ronnie. No thanks. No one player is worth 1/5th of your cap in the salary cap era. But I dont think it'll come to that cause I dont think Nick will ever pick a QB in rd 1 cause he knows that just leads to salary cap hell

kastofsna120
11-25-2005, 01:51 AM
Possibly. We'll also have to shell out double what we needed to sign Ronnie. No thanks. No one player is worth 1/5th of your cap in the salary cap era. But I dont think it'll come to that cause I dont think Nick will ever pick a QB in rd 1 cause he knows that just leads to salary cap hell
allright, well let's go on to more losing seasons and first-round playoff exits

saves
11-25-2005, 01:53 AM
allright, well let's go on to more losing seasons and first-round playoff exits

Yes because history has shown, to make it in this leauge you need a 1st overall QB.

Boik14
11-25-2005, 02:01 AM
allright, well let's go on to more losing seasons and first-round playoff exitsYeah cause picking a qb in rd is the answer to that since you know, the last 2 years there has been a 50-50 split between the qb's who make the playoff and are drafted in the 1st rd and qb's who arent drafted in rd 1 but make the playoff. And the last 3 SB's the only 1st rd qb is McNabb and he lost. But yeah good job.

kastofsna120
11-25-2005, 02:10 AM
Yes because history has shown, to make it in this leauge you need a 1st overall QB.
nope, you need a franchise QB. and we need a QB more than any other position. and leinart is the best QB available this year, so therefore....we should get him. if i thought jay cutler was the best QB this year, i wouldn't suggest trading up to get him, i'd just say to draft him in the 2nd round. see how it works? i'm not saying WE HAVE TO MOVE UP AND GET A FRANCHISE QB TO WIN, i'm saying WE HAVE TO GET MATT LEINART

feelthepain
11-25-2005, 02:12 AM
This is a post to those of you I deem, the "so-called fans" of the Miami Dolphins. It sickens me to see these posts about, "why watch now" or "Hope we lose so we can pick higher". One word for you ... WAAAAA! Cry me a river, so we aren't going to the playoffs this year. I watch EVERY single game because I am a real Fan. Those of you that can watch a game and hope we lose make me sick. If you want the number 1 pick so bad then pull for frickin Houston. Wonder why we struggle to sell out a home game. I hate that some fans of MY team are so fake. If you agree with me, then I apologize and you are welcome over for Ribs and cold beer for the Raider game.

Sincerely,
Patient Fan who understands it takes time to build a TEAM!

P.S. If you take offense to this then you are whom I speak of.


I understand your passion, but I don't agree with your opinion or method. I never want this team to loose and it's a very tough position to know your favorite team doesn't have what it takes to compete. So what are your choices as a fan?? Do you continue the blind faith, or do you wise up and look at the big picture?? Well that depends on the inividule. Some, like you, would never want the team to loose even if hoping they finish 5-11 rather then 4-12. Are you a fan, are you the best kind of fan?? In your eyes yes. I think you're a fan and a great fan. On the other hand, I would rather things went differently. At the beginning of the season your hopes for this team were no different then mine, I was very hopeful for this team, but it became clear Sabans system wasn't gonna happen overnight. So here we are as fans at the crossroads. Do we pray for each and every win, knowing full well we are out of the playoff race, or do we look ahead to the future knowing full well what losing will bring.

Two fans with two views, both love their team, but look at the situation facing the team differently. You want to win every game no matter what. But if we win just 2 more games, where does that leave the team?? 5-11 and no playoffs and way out of the race for Lienart or Bush or whomever Saban uses as trade bait. None the less, we lose very valuable drafting position. You don't see this?? Well if you do or don't thats fine, but many fans understand how to play the game. Not that you don't, but you are closing the door to being a true force sooner rather then maybe never. Saban and Mueller are draft gurus and one of their biggest strengths, why not take advantage of that??

With losing comes all kinds of problems and this is just one, if this team were winning this thread wouldn't exist. Try and understand that there are more views and opinions then yours. As long as in the end the fans want whats best for the team , be it today or next year we all want this team to be the best. So don't attack people just because they see things from a different angle then you.

DeathStar
11-25-2005, 02:17 AM
i do hope we lose every game for the rest of the year cause we need a top 5 which will be huge for us in the future.

we have a lot of needs and moving up in every round will help saban get the players he needs.

whats the point of finishing 9-7 instead of 3-13? we still have the same problems with either record and 3-13 would help us more for the future cause we can get a real stud, no matter what position he plays.

DeathStar
11-25-2005, 02:19 AM
you're right, stats are the most important thing when scouting a quarterback for the NFL

draft cody hodges

we should get timmy chang. he had monster stats in college!

DeathStar
11-25-2005, 02:20 AM
leinart is overrated, and has the best offensive cast in the country. Brady Quinn is a better pro QB

neither right now is the better PRO qb cause both haven't done jack crap in the NFL.

DeathStar
11-25-2005, 02:21 AM
I understand your passion, but I don't agree with your opinion or method. I never want this team to loose and it's a very tough position to know your favorite team doesn't have what it takes to compete. So what are your choices as a fan?? Do you continue the blind faith, or do you wise up and look at the big picture?? Well that depends on the inividule. Some, like you, would never want the team to loose even if hoping they finish 5-11 rather then 4-12. Are you a fan, are you the best kind of fan?? In your eyes yes. I think you're a fan and a great fan. On the other hand, I would rather things went differently. At the beginning of the season your hopes for this team were no different then mine, I was very hopeful for this team, but it became clear Sabans system wasn't gonna happen overnight. So here we are as fans at the crossroads. Do we pray for each and every win, knowing full well we are out of the playoff race, or do we look ahead to the future knowing full well what losing will bring.

Two fans with two views, both love their team, but look at the situation facing the team differently. You want to win every game no matter what. But if we win just 2 more games, where does that leave the team?? 5-11 and no playoffs and way out of the race for Lienart or Bush or whomever Saban uses as trade bait. None the less, we lose very valuable drafting position. You don't see this?? Well if you do or don't thats fine, but many fans understand how to play the game. Not that you don't, but you are closing the door to being a true force sooner rather then maybe never. Saban and Mueller are draft gurus and one of their biggest strengths, why not take advantage of that??

With losing comes all kinds of problems and this is just one, if this team were winning this thread wouldn't exist. Try and understand that there are more views and opinions then yours. As long as in the end the fans want whats best for the team , be it today or next year we all want this team to be the best. So don't attack people just because they see things from a different angle then you.

nice post. i agree with everything in it. get better draft pick slot cause it will help in the FUTURE!

Boik14
11-25-2005, 02:32 AM
i do hope we lose every game for the rest of the year cause we need a top 5 which will be huge for us in the future.

we have a lot of needs and moving up in every round will help saban get the players he needs.

whats the point of finishing 9-7 instead of 3-13? we still have the same problems with either record and 3-13 would help us more for the future cause we can get a real stud, no matter what position he plays. Top 5 is the worst thing for us. It will force us into the position of having 2 top 5 picks on our roster forever f'ing up our cap. And god help us if the top 5 player we pick is a qb we're looking at 1/5th of our cap invested in 2 players; 1 playing at a position (RB) where the players tend to burn out after 6-7 good years

Jim C. from NJ
11-25-2005, 02:51 AM
nope, you need a franchise QB. and we need a QB more than any other position. and leinart is the best QB available this year, so therefore....we should get him. if i thought jay cutler was the best QB this year, i wouldn't suggest trading up to get him, i'd just say to draft him in the 2nd round. see how it works? i'm not saying WE HAVE TO MOVE UP AND GET A FRANCHISE QB TO WIN, i'm saying WE HAVE TO GET MATT LEINART


These Leinart Lovers have their heads do far lodged in bewteen Leinart's legs to realize he has the best running game in college football history.

I'm not gonna go so far as to say Young is better though. I give Young maybe 3-4 NFL starts at QB. Doesn't have it to play at next level.

I also don't give a F what happens as far as W-L the rest of the year. I just want to see some good signs and see some guys step up and show they are players. 0-6 I'm sick to ym stomaqch a little but reggie bush's value to trade or a high pick we can trade for multiple picks will lift my spirits. 6-0 and im pretty excited and maybe even ready for a playoff game.....or not. Either way we aren't winning the super bowl this year. Draft day wont be as great then though.

For all you "real fans".....If you would rather beat the jets in december in a meaningless game and not get right to trade reggie bush then you just don't get it. These are the same guys who think you should play your starters after you have home field advantage.

Lazy1
11-25-2005, 02:52 AM
Possibly. We'll also have to shell out double what we needed to sign Ronnie. No thanks. No one player is worth 1/5th of your cap in the salary cap era. But I dont think it'll come to that cause I dont think Nick will ever pick a QB in rd 1 cause he knows that just leads to salary cap hell

Thats the most important fact right there. Having back to back top 2 picks would KILL our cap situation for the future. When they both get the the backend of there deals our FO will be in tears. Linehart is going to get atleast 25 mil signing bonus. I like linehart but: A. we should never sacrifice a game for a player and if, you have that mentality you are pretty much a puss, and B: 1 player is not the answer to what we need as a team its more important to keep the morale of our team up rather than tanking a season and have no confidence, not to mention veterans and players in general will not by into sabans system if we aren't winning.

kastofsna120
11-25-2005, 02:52 AM
These Leinart Lovers have their heads do far lodged in bewteen Leinart's legs to realize he has the best running game in college football history.
what's that have to do with leinart's abilities as a quarterback? absolutely nothing

feelthepain
11-25-2005, 02:57 AM
Top 5 is the worst thing for us.



Not if Saban trades out of the position!! Still there is some serious talent in the up coming draft. Saban's ability to draft is a strength, He looks for more then talent and we are also well under the cap we are in good position to negotiate.

Jim C. from NJ
11-25-2005, 03:00 AM
what's that have to do with leinart's abilities as a quarterback? absolutely nothing


In football, having a great running game tends to help the QB

kastofsna120
11-25-2005, 03:01 AM
In football, having a great running game tends to help the QB
doesn't matter what kind of running game you got if you make great decisions and are extremely accurate with the ball. and all the other great things he does.....etc

Boik14
11-25-2005, 03:02 AM
Not if Saban trades out of the position!! Still there is some serious talent in the up coming draft. Saban's ability to draft is a strength, He looks for more then talent and we are also well under the cap we are in good position to negotiate.Yeah but we couldnt get true value for our draft position last year so what makes you think that would happen for us. To depend on something like that happening while team morale drops is dumb.

feelthepain
11-25-2005, 03:25 AM
Yeah but we couldnt get true value for our draft position last year so what makes you think that would happen for us. To depend on something like that happening while team morale drops is dumb.

Because there wasn't nearly the talent that there is this year. Brown IMO was the best player in the draft. This year there is Leinart,Bush,Furgeson,Williams,Hawk maybe V.Young, B.Quinn...althougth I think Quinn will stay in school. But you can see the talent depth at the top this year is far deeper then last year more options for trading out of position. Plus Saban could use Ricky to add to the value of the trade. This years draft is nothing like last year.

Boik14
11-25-2005, 03:29 AM
Because there wasn't nearly the talent that there is this year. Brown IMO was the best player in the draft. This year there is Lienart,Bush,Furgeson,Williams,Hawk maybe V.Young, B.Quinn...althougth I think Quinn will stay in school. But you can see the talent depth at the top this year is far deeper then last year more options for trading out of position. Plus Saban could use Ricky to add to the value of the trade. This years draft is nothing like last year.To wish for a top 5 pick solely for the basis of trading the pick isnt the answer. If you cant deal it youre stuck with it. And that spells cap hell. i wont even get into the fact I dont like V Young or Jimmy Williams (at least not at CB). And if you trade down you may miss the guy you really want? No thanks. You win what you can this year. You need that momentum to attract FA's who want to see that youre going in the right direction. It helps you sell them on your city and your team. I f'ing hate the quitter attitude. It doesnt help your team now, it doesnt help the team later, do not pass go do not collect $200, just go to jail :D

dominizzo
11-25-2005, 03:33 AM
Bump

CalDolFan10x14
11-25-2005, 03:33 AM
This is a post to those of you I deem, the "so-called fans" of the Miami Dolphins. It sickens me to see these posts about, "why watch now" or "Hope we lose so we can pick higher". One word for you ... WAAAAA! Cry me a river, so we aren't going to the playoffs this year. I watch EVERY single game because I am a real Fan. Those of you that can watch a game and hope we lose make me sick. If you want the number 1 pick so bad then pull for frickin Houston. Wonder why we struggle to sell out a home game. I hate that some fans of MY team are so fake. If you agree with me, then I apologize and you are welcome over for Ribs and cold beer for the Raider game.

Sincerely,
Patient Fan who understands it takes time to build a TEAM!

P.S. If you take offense to this then you are whom I speak of.

Great post, dude. I, too, want to see us win as many games as we can. I HATE watching the team lose. I get so damn pissed! :fire: :tongue: But really, I'd rather see this team get a decent draft pick (10-15), than see the Phinz try to tank games just to get a top 5 draft pick. I have faith Saban will get this thing turned around within the next season or two. Rome wasn't built in a day....a football team isn't built in one season.

Some people refuse to see the truth. If you try explaining it to them, they just get defensive or start jumping off the bandwagon. I say let 'em....they're not true fans. When the team starts winning again, they're gonna hop back on the bandwagon, as sad as it may seem. True fans don't abandon their team no matter how bad they are. Ain't that right?

Huffer
11-25-2005, 03:38 AM
I understand your passion, but I don't agree with your opinion or method. I never want this team to loose and it's a very tough position to know your favorite team doesn't have what it takes to compete. So what are your choices as a fan?? Do you continue the blind faith, or do you wise up and look at the big picture?? Well that depends on the inividule. Some, like you, would never want the team to loose even if hoping they finish 5-11 rather then 4-12. Are you a fan, are you the best kind of fan?? In your eyes yes. I think you're a fan and a great fan. On the other hand, I would rather things went differently. At the beginning of the season your hopes for this team were no different then mine, I was very hopeful for this team, but it became clear Sabans system wasn't gonna happen overnight. So here we are as fans at the crossroads. Do we pray for each and every win, knowing full well we are out of the playoff race, or do we look ahead to the future knowing full well what losing will bring.

Two fans with two views, both love their team, but look at the situation facing the team differently. You want to win every game no matter what. But if we win just 2 more games, where does that leave the team?? 5-11 and no playoffs and way out of the race for Lienart or Bush or whomever Saban uses as trade bait. None the less, we lose very valuable drafting position. You don't see this?? Well if you do or don't thats fine, but many fans understand how to play the game. Not that you don't, but you are closing the door to being a true force sooner rather then maybe never. Saban and Mueller are draft gurus and one of their biggest strengths, why not take advantage of that??

With losing comes all kinds of problems and this is just one, if this team were winning this thread wouldn't exist. Try and understand that there are more views and opinions then yours. As long as in the end the fans want whats best for the team , be it today or next year we all want this team to be the best. So don't attack people just because they see things from a different angle then you.

Nice post and your right everyone should respect everyones views as long as it is for making the team better.
I guess I feel it would be more important for us to get some of the people we have on the team now to start producing like we want instead of pinning our hopes on a high draft choice. I feel even more strongly about this if our first pick is to be a QB. A highly drafted QB is about the riskiest pick a team can make in the draft. First off because it takes a pile of money to get them to sign. Then it takes time to get acclimated to the NFL and a new team and so on. Plus they may be a bust and that could REALLY hurt us cap wise, not to mention time frame wise. I hope the players we have now can step up thier play and buy into this system and give us a good foundation for being a tough team next season. I just can't hope everyone on our team plays bad so we can get one guy that could be good. I hope we win and get better with the guys we have now and improve our team through the draft no matter where we pick at. But I WILL continue to root for the Dolphins to win. As long as they are out there in the Aqua and Orange playing with heart and determination I will hope they win. There are plenty of good players available in the mid to late rounds and identifying them is what usually will make for a good long term draft year.
I guess I just have a problem with fans rooting against the team they claim to be fans of. If people just said they didn't care if we won or lost now I could understand. But when it's our ball 4th and goal at the 1yd line down by 4 with 10 seconds left in the game and I'm praying we hand it to Ronnie or Ricky and screaming in joy or grief after the play......... then I imagine somewhere some dolfan, sitting with a jets, bills, and pats fan, chantting D-Fence the whole time hoping we lose. I hate to think I'd be considered like that person if we are both considered dolfans. I believe there are times when you have to take your lumps and go through tough times. I just don't agree to wishing those lumps and tough times upon the team you claim to be a fan of. I see the big picture and understand the thinking behind it. Philisophically I just think it is wrong and will not help to promote winning for the guys we have on our roster now.

SarahAnn
11-25-2005, 03:40 AM
This is a post to those of you I deem, the "so-called fans" of the Miami Dolphins. It sickens me to see these posts about, "why watch now" or "Hope we lose so we can pick higher". One word for you ... WAAAAA! Cry me a river, so we aren't going to the playoffs this year. I watch EVERY single game because I am a real Fan. Those of you that can watch a game and hope we lose make me sick. If you want the number 1 pick so bad then pull for frickin Houston. Wonder why we struggle to sell out a home game. I hate that some fans of MY team are so fake. If you agree with me, then I apologize and you are welcome over for Ribs and cold beer for the Raider game.

Sincerely,
Patient Fan who understands it takes time to build a TEAM!

P.S. If you take offense to this then you are whom I speak of.

Great post and one that I agree with 100%. I can see how others can say that it would be better for the franchise if they lost a game (as I said it last season in the NHL with Ovechkin) but to actually ROOT against your team makes me sick. Its something a real die hard fan doesnt do no matter what.

Whats worse is the fact that the dolphins in all likelyhood CANT get the first pick. We still have games against the Jets and Houston. I know never to count the Jets out but Houston? At 1-9 they are the best bet for the #1 overall.

One more loss and the Dolphins can kiss the playoffs goodbye this year for sure. Teams just dont get in with 8-8 records unless they are in the Packers divison. Even if we win them all its going to be hard because if I remember correctly 2 years ago we missed the playoffs with a 10-6 record.

There is one rule I follow with dealing with Sports. That is Root for your team and dont jump on anothers bandwagon because they are doing good. That team will fall into hardship at some point down the road as well just like your team will rebound.

I've been a White Sox fan all my life and even with the curse of Shoeless Joe hanging over our heads we still won the World Series. Living in Washington I saw all these people around me who rooted for another team jump to the Nationals this year and they are people who sicken me. If you werent an Expo's fan you should not be rooting for washington. Hometown or not.

ANyways thats just my opinion and if everyone followed it the Nationals would be doomed so I'm glad in a way they dont.

outlawd2u
11-25-2005, 09:09 AM
I still want the phins to win Every Game from here on out. People say what's the point of going 7-9, or 8-8 and missing the playoffs. Well the point would be going into the offseason knowing that the team played VERY well the second half of the year and we could build off that momentum. The draft isn't the only part of rebuilding or reloading a franchise. I expect Saban to be Very busy/Active in Free Agency, and I expect this team to be better next year no matter what draft picks we have.

ScottishFin
11-25-2005, 09:12 AM
Good post m8 , hard being a "true" fan from so far away but i want us to win every single time we get onto the field.

Anyone who wants their team to lose needs to take a long hard look at themselves

Fran2fin
11-25-2005, 09:54 AM
lol, i know what he was MVP of. i just don't care. that means absolutely nothing in the NFL. he has no arm, bad mechanics, and doesn't read the defense down the field. doesn't sound good to me. maybe in college at the citrus bowl

actually it wasn't the citrus bowl he was the MVP of. it was two tangerine bowls and the "micronpc.com bowl." very prestigous. he's quite the winner

Would like him simply because he has had some NFL experience....Has he ever actually played a down for SD - anyone know? SD must have liked him to do the trade with Eli......another thing is he a quick study? Otherwise, we might as well take whats in the draft.

Themajster
11-25-2005, 10:12 AM
Joey Harrington to Miami next season!:D

Wanny?? Speilman?? Is that you guys? :goof: