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Blitz
11-29-2005, 07:45 PM
Here are the picks (approximately) that I hope we will have heading into draft weekend:

#5
#37
#69
#101
#128 *
#197

* - Obtained via trade for Sam Madison

Obviously we may end up with a significantly lower top pick, but I'm still hoping we'll wind up in the top five.

Here is my dream draft:

#002 - Matt Leinart (QB - USC) *
#037
#087 **
#119 **
#123 ***
#128
#151 **
#155 ***
#187 ***
#197

* - Obtained via trade for #5, 2007 first-round pick, and Ricky Williams (Throw in a 2007 third-round pick and/or *gasp* Jason Taylor IF necessary - We must get Leinart unless Quinn declares)
** - Obtained via trade for #69
*** - Obtained via trade for #101

Draft Value Chart: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/stinger871/valuechart.jpg

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Matt Leinart + 9 other top 200 picks + Manuel Wright + Cleo Lemon = One helluva draft

Ideal scenario: The Texans with the first overall pick and the 49ers with the second overall pick. If the Texans take Reggie Bush, the 49ers will probably look to trade down since they won't be interested in Matt Leinart. No other team in the top ten will have a quality RB like Ricky Williams that they'd be willing to give up to the 49ers in such a trade. Two first-round picks, and a top quality RB like Ricky Williams to move down three spots? The 49ers would have a nice one-two punch in Williams-Gore along with a top five pick, and a first-round pick in 2007. I think the 49ers would bite, especially when you consider how many solid players are going to be in the top ten this year.

jnewmant
11-29-2005, 08:35 PM
that would be one hell of a draft blitz, i agree with you on the fact that we need to do whatever possible to get a QB this year

Blitz
12-02-2005, 08:39 PM
I've heard we have two seventh-round picks, and possibly an extra fifth-round pick. Is that true?

jnewmant
12-02-2005, 08:52 PM
i'm pretty sure we have two seventh round picks but as far as the extra fifth round pick i'm not exactly sure where it could have come from i don't think we have a fifth coming up for the next draft

Dors156
12-03-2005, 03:00 PM
i would never do that at all:shakeno:

1stDownRBrown
12-03-2005, 03:04 PM
we have three 7th rounders no 5th and no 6th.

1st
2nd
3rd
4th
7th
7th
7th

Motion
12-03-2005, 03:39 PM
i would never do that at all:shakeno:

+1

Thats WAY to much to give up to move up and get Leinart. He's not worth that much. I'd rather trade down, get more picks and pick up Jay Cutler.

gunhaver
12-03-2005, 04:42 PM
leinart is 10 times the QB cutler is. i don't really care how much it costs to get him

Motion
12-04-2005, 01:13 AM
leinart is 10 times the QB cutler is. i don't really care how much it costs to get him

Not Quite

Blitz
12-04-2005, 07:54 PM
Unless we somehow lose the next four games (I'm rooting for 8-8 or *gasp* 9-7), it looks like we're probably not going to have a shot to move up and get Leinart. Here's my revised dream draft scenario (I'm going to guess we end up with approximately the thirteenth overall pick, and assume that Brady Quinn does NOT declare):

Before the draft:

#013 - Traded for Philip Rivers
#045
#077
#109
#205
7th Round Pick (From GB?)
7th Round Pick (From Chicago?)

My new dream draft:

#059 *
#091 *
#093 **
#125 **
#126 ***
#157 **
#158 ***
#205
#219 *
7th Round Pick (From GB?)
7th Round Pick (From Chicago?)

* - Obtained via trade for #45
** - Obtained via trade for #77
*** - Obtained via trade for #109

End result: Philip Rivers + 11 picks (5 on the first day) + Wright + Lemon = One helluva draft

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If we were unable to get Rivers for the 13th overall pick, I'd move down to the bottom of the first-round/top of the second-round and draft Jay Cutler. In that case, I'd love to see this happen:

#037 - Jay Cutler (QB - Vanderbilt) **
#054 *
#059 ***
#069 **
#091 ***
#093 ****
#109
#125 ****
#157 ****
#205
7th Round Pick (From GB?)
7th Round Pick (From Chicago?)

* - Obtained via trade for #13
** - Obtained via trade for #22
*** - Obtained via trade for #45
**** - Obtained via trade for #77

End result: Jay Cutler + 11 other picks (7 on the first day) + Wright + Lemon = One helluva draft

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As you can tell, I'm a strong advocate of trading down. I'd absolutely love to see us pull off all of these trades. Leinart, Quinn (Who probably won't declare) and Ngata are the only top-tier prospects that I'm truly enamored with at the moment (Obviously I think Reggie Bush is great too, but we already have our franchise RB in RB). If we don't get a shot at one of the three (I'd trade up for Leinart or Quinn, but not Ngata), I'd like to see us trade for Rivers or trade down and get Cutler at the bottom of the first/top of the second.

jnewmant
12-05-2005, 02:39 PM
Blitz, i'm like you in the fact that i'm also a pretty big advocate of trading down but i disagree with you that quinn, leinhart, and ngata are the only can't miss picks especially with the position we'll be in assuming you're right and we are around the 13th pick. I know not many people have talked about him but Chad Greenway from Iowa should be around when we choose and i'd love to pick him up 6-4 245 and runs about a 4.5 or 4.6 40 this guy is pretty much the blue print of a sabanesqe LB. He plays every play like it's his last and he's not only a leader by example he's an emotional and verbal leader and i think that's one of our biggest needs on defense, and if we chose him we'd have LB sewn up for years to come with Channing, Pope, Greenway, and one more person for a 3-4 type alignment assuming Zach only plays for a couple of more years

Philter25
12-05-2005, 04:13 PM
In all seriousness, look over the past drafts. How often are trades made?

Teams generally just stay where they are and pick. Also remember, in order to trade down, you NEED a team to trade up. And that requires a stud player to be there for trade bait.

I would never ever ever make that trade for Leinart. Thats just waaaaay too much to give for a rookie QB.

RunningBackGuru
12-05-2005, 06:03 PM
Nice job on that Blitz. That would be a nice draft!

Blitz
12-05-2005, 11:58 PM
In all seriousness, look over the past drafts. How often are trades made?

We consistently traded down back when JJ was our coach...


Teams generally just stay where they are and pick. Also remember, in order to trade down, you NEED a team to trade up. And that requires a stud player to be there for trade bait.

Very true. Like I said, I'd love to see us pull off all of those trades, but it is unlikely...Hopefully we'll be able to trade down at least once, though. We need more picks. I've heard this is going to be a deep draft, so we may have a few teams willing to trade up in rounds three and four to get one of the players they're obsessed with...


I would never ever ever make that trade for Leinart. Thats just waaaaay too much to give for a rookie QB

Trading up for a top-tier prospect is always a costly gamble, but it has paid off handsomely for the Giants with Eli Manning and the Falcons with Mike Vick...

Motion
12-06-2005, 09:55 AM
#037 - Jay Cutler (QB - Vanderbilt) **
#054 *
#059 ***
#069 **
#091 ***
#093 ****
#109
#125 ****
#157 ****
#205
7th Round Pick (From GB?)
7th Round Pick (From Chicago?)

* - Obtained via trade for #13
** - Obtained via trade for #22
*** - Obtained via trade for #45
**** - Obtained via trade for #77

End result: Jay Cutler + 11 other picks (7 on the first day) + Wright + Lemon = One helluva draft

Looks good to me! Except for the fact that Cutler will go in the first round.

1stDownRBrown
12-06-2005, 09:57 AM
Trading up for a top-tier prospect is always a costly gamble, but it has paid off handsomely for the Giants with Eli Manning and the Falcons with Mike Vick...


mmmmmm... I'd say the Chargers got the better end of both of those deals. Maybe not with Eli... but we haven't seen Rivers take a snap yet.

Alex44
12-06-2005, 09:58 AM
leinart is 10 times the QB cutler is. i don't really care how much it costs to get him


leinart is an accurate QB with below NFL level arm strength you want to see a guy kind of like him look at alex smith last years #1 pick, even though I think leinart is better than smith, I doubt he will ever be a franchise QB

Motion
12-06-2005, 09:59 AM
mmmmmm... I'd say the Chargers got the better end of both of those deals. Maybe not with Eli... but we haven't seen Rivers take a snap yet.

+1

1stDownRBrown
12-06-2005, 10:41 AM
+1

does that mean you agree with me? what does +1 mean in relation to my post? LOL.. :confused:

Philter25
12-06-2005, 11:47 AM
We consistently traded down back when JJ was our coach...

JJ isnt our coach anymore. Do we really want to discuss how well JJ drafted? :lol: Look over all the old drafts and trading down isnt something teams generally do, let alone 3-4 times.



Trading up for a top-tier prospect is always a costly gamble, but it has paid off handsomely for the Giants with Eli Manning and the Falcons with Mike Vick..


Eh I dunno about that. SD got the much better end of that Vick deal.

How has it paid off for Eli? He has yet to win a playoff game. Its too early to tell plus Rivers hasnt taken a snap in the NFL. We wont know about that one for a few years.

Philter25
12-06-2005, 11:48 AM
does that mean you agree with me? what does +1 mean in relation to my post? LOL.. :confused:

+1 means he agrees.

Motion
12-06-2005, 12:10 PM
does that mean you agree with me? what does +1 mean in relation to my post? LOL.. :confused:

Yes, I absolutely agree.

Blitz
12-06-2005, 03:23 PM
JJ isnt our coach anymore. Do we really want to discuss how well JJ drafted? :lol:

Overall, JJ did a great job drafting defense, but yeah, he wasn't so hot when it came to the other side of the ball...


Look over all the old drafts and trading down isnt something teams generally do, let alone 3-4 times.

It can happen. I think with Saban it'd make sense to trade down as often as possible. He's more likely to find gems than a coach who hasn't been at the college level over the last three or four years...


Eh I dunno about that. SD got the much better end of that Vick deal.

Atlanta needed to get a franchise QB, though. Atlanta probably wouldn't be where they are today if they had not pulled off that trade.


How has it paid off for Eli? He has yet to win a playoff game.

Would the Giants be leading the NFC East without Eli Manning? Again, the Giants also needed to get a franchise QB. We're in the same category as the Giants in '04 and the Falcons in '01. It's not a matter of getting the better end of the deal, but of getting the franchise QB you desperately need.

Motion
12-06-2005, 04:12 PM
Atlanta needed to get a franchise QB, though. Atlanta probably wouldn't be where they are today if they had not pulled off that trade.


Right, they'd be MUCH better with Schuab as the starter and LT in the backfield.

Philter25
12-06-2005, 04:17 PM
Overall, JJ did a great job drafting defense, but yeah, he wasn't so hot when it came to the other side of the ball... :yes:




It can happen. I think with Saban it'd make sense to trade down as often as possible. He's more likely to find gems than a coach who hasn't been at the college level over the last three or four years...

I agree. It does make sense and it benefits us greatly. However my point was how realistic is it really to think it WILL happen? Its not just about our coach, but what other coaches will do. Like I said before, it takes 2 teams to trade down. History has shown that the chances of multiple trade downs are next to impossible to do because teams are always on different pages when it comes to draft pick value. When you make a trade in the draft, you want to be the team that gets the better value. When BOTH teams want to get the better end of the deal, the chances that they both agree on the correct compensation is slim to none considering the time they have to reach a deal on the draft pick.

Its a great idea conceptually, but realistically its next to impossible to pull off. Usually the major draft day trade downs are planned and talked about beforehand.



Atlanta needed to get a franchise QB, though. Atlanta probably wouldn't be where they are today if they had not pulled off that trade.

What has the trade really brought to Atlanta? A superbowl appearance? Where are they now, 7-5 and out of the playoffs? Personally, I think Matt Schaub is a much better pure passer than Vick. I think Atlanta would be 7-5 with Schaub as a QB and another stud player which they could have gotten.(aka tomlinson). Not to mention all the salary cap space they would free up by not having Vick.





Would the Giants be leading the NFC East without Eli Manning? Again, the Giants also needed to get a franchise QB. We're in the same category as the Giants in '04 and the Falcons in '01. It's not a matter of getting the better end of the deal, but of getting the franchise QB you desperately need

Well with the Eagles losing 11 starters this year, the Giants very well could be in first place without Eli. At least we both agree that they didnt get the better end of the deal. If the Giants make the superbowl, then I will agree that the trade was a good trade to get a franchise QB.

Philter25
12-06-2005, 04:17 PM
Right, they'd be MUCH better with Schuab as the starter and LT in the backfield.

damn you speedrush. I had to type out a long response. :yes:

Motion
12-06-2005, 04:19 PM
damn you speedrush. I had to type out a long response. :yes:

:tongue:

PHINSfan
12-07-2005, 09:32 PM
The way Jay Cutler is moving up in the draft i dought he will be there in the 2nd rd. I say trade down to the bottom of the 1st rd and pick him up there.

kastofsna120
12-07-2005, 09:40 PM
it's going to be either cutler or jacobs that skyrockets into the top 15, as i've said all along. looking like it'll be cutler

dominizzo
12-08-2005, 05:29 AM
it's going to be either cutler or jacobs that skyrockets into the top 15, as i've said all along. looking like it'll be cutler

They say Cutler is like FAvre

Philter25
12-08-2005, 11:17 AM
it's going to be either cutler or jacobs that skyrockets into the top 15, as i've said all along. looking like it'll be cutler

Yup. We arent going to be able to trade down to get Cutler because his value should be right around where we pick.

Blitz
12-08-2005, 08:42 PM
Aaron Rodgers fell all the way to, what, the 24th pick last year? Whether or not Quinn and Young declare, I won't be surprised if Cutler is still around at the top of the second-round...

Blitz
12-08-2005, 08:48 PM
Right, they'd be MUCH better with Schuab as the
starter and LT in the backfield.

I don't know what makes you say that. Schaub hasn't proven anything. Look at his career numbers:

Games started: 2 (Both Losses)
Passes Completed: 56 of 119 (47.1%)
Yards: 667
YPA: 5.61
TDs: 4
Ints: 4
Fumbles: 2
Fumbles Lost: 1
QB Rating: 61.9

Sorry, but those are AJ Feeley-like numbers. In fact, his career QB rating is only 0.2 points better than AJ Feeley's QB rating last year. Hell, Feeley has a better career QB rating (67.3), and had a much better career QB rating at the same point in his career (Feeley started 5 games his second season, and posted a QB rating of 75.4).

There's absolutely no reason to believe that Matt Schaub is anything more than a backup QB.

Yes, LT is probably the best RB in the league, but a great RB doesn't ensure great play at the QB position with just anybody. Just look at our Phins if you want proof of that.

kastofsna120
12-08-2005, 09:02 PM
I don't know what makes you say that. Schaub hasn't proven anything. Look at his career numbers:

Games started: 2 (Both Losses)
Passes Completed: 56 of 119 (47.1%)
Yards: 667
YPA: 5.61
TDs: 4
Ints: 4
Fumbles: 2
Fumbles Lost: 1
QB Rating: 61.9

Sorry, but those are AJ Feeley-like numbers. In fact, his career QB rating is only 0.2 points better than AJ Feeley's QB rating last year. Hell, Feeley has a better career QB rating (67.3), and had a much better career QB rating at the same point in his career (Feeley started 5 games his second season, and posted a QB rating of 75.4).

There's absolutely no reason to believe that Matt Schaub is anything more than a backup QB.

Yes, LT is probably the best RB in the league, but a great RB doesn't ensure great play at the QB position with just anybody. Just look at our Phins if you want proof of that.
yeah, it's simply inexcusable that a QB would play average in his first two career starts, one of them as a rookie :shakeno:

i've said schaub was a franchise QB before the draft last year, i'm sticking to that. he has all the tools. and he WOULD BE STARTING if he was on any other team

Blitz
12-08-2005, 09:17 PM
He's had ONE good start in the NFL, and his team lost that game. I think it's a bit early to proclaim him a franchise QB who would be starting on any team other than the Falcons. Some people said the same thing about Feeley back in his second season...

kastofsna120
12-08-2005, 09:22 PM
He's had ONE good start in the NFL, and his team lost that game. I think it's a bit early to proclaim him a franchise QB who would be starting on any team other than the Falcons. Some people said the same thing about Feeley back in his second season...
except i said that about schaub BEFORE the draft, and his play in those two games were good for a guy in his 1st and 2nd start. especially the 2nd one against new england. he took complete control of the offense, and if not for brady's heroics, they would've won it

he's a FRANCHISE QB, and that's why rich mckay said he'll take no less than a first rounder to trade for schaub. he knows what a steal he got with him, and knows he holds all the cards

Blitz
12-08-2005, 09:24 PM
I suppose I should proclaim Ryan Fitzpatrick a franchise QB just because I liked him before the draft, and he had ONE good start? :rolleyes:

Oh well...At least the two of us agree on Leinart :)