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Buddwalk
12-01-2005, 03:23 AM
Buddwalks December Mock Draft

1. Houston Texans - D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT Virginia
2. New York Jets - Reggie Bush RB USC
3. San Francisco 49ers - AJ Hawk LB Ohio State
4. Green Bay Packers - Jimmy Williams CB Virginia Tech
5. Tennessee Titans - Matt Leinart QB USC
6. Minnesota Vikings - DeAngelo Williams RB Memphis
7. New Orleans Saints - Michael Huff S Texas
8. Baltimore Ravens - Haloti Ngata DT Oregon
9. Miami Dolphins - Eric Winston OT Miami
10. Buffalo Bills - Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
11. Cleveland Browns - Chad Greenway LB Iowa
12. Detroit Lions - Mario Williams DE NC State
13. Oakland Raiders - Darnell Bing S USC
14. St Louis Rams - Mathias Kiwanaku DE Boston College
15. Philadelphia Eagles - Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota
16. Denver Broncos - Marcedes Lewis TE UCLA
17. San Diego Chargers - Santonio Holmes WR Ohio State
18. New England Patriots - LaRon Landry S LSU
19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Ahmad Brooks LB Virginia
20. Atlanta Falcons - Marcus McNeill OT Auburn
21. Pittsburgh Steelers - Martin Nance WR Miami (OH)
22. Kansas City Chiefs - Rodrique Wright DT Texas
23. New York Giants - DeMeco Ryans LB Alabama
24. Dallas Cowboys - Jonathan Scott OT Texas
25. San Diego Chargers - Jeremy Trueblood OT Boston College
26. Chicago Bears - Derek Hagan WR Arizona State
27. Carolina Panthers - Vernon Davis TE Maryland
28. Jacksonville Jaguars - Tamba Hali DE Penn State
29. Cincinatti Bengals - Gabe Watson DT Michigan
30. Seattle Seahawks - Chad Jackson WR Florida
31. Denver Broncos - Tye Hill CB Clemson
32. Miami Dolphins - Jay Cutler QB Vanderbilt
33. Houston Texans - Max Jean-Gilles OT Georgia

*Redskins Trade #16 overall to the Denver Broncos for stuff last year
*Colts Trade #32 overall to the dolphins for there 2nd round pick and 4th round pick

I had to throw that first pick of the 2nd round in there showing that houston is ready to protect david carr...getting the top tackle and top guard in the draft.

unifiedtheory
12-01-2005, 03:57 AM
Good job Budd....but there is no way D'Brickashaw Ferguson goes #1 overall.

Buddwalk
12-01-2005, 04:35 AM
Good job Budd....but there is no way D'Brickashaw Ferguson goes #1 overall.

you must know something 3/4th the country doesnt know then man. D'brick is guarenteed #1 overall if the texans are picking...which they are. They need to improve there oline and there isnt a tackle better then him in the draft...hes everybit as good as Robert Gallery coming out a couple years ago

d-day
12-01-2005, 04:40 AM
i think eric w would look very good in aqua and orange - nice avatar budd ;)

RAS25
12-01-2005, 05:36 AM
i wouldnt mind winston but id rather greenway...good work budd :up:

Buddwalk
12-01-2005, 05:51 AM
i wouldnt mind winston but id rather greenway...good work budd :up:


greenway would be an excellent addition but if were in a spot to take the hometown favorite winston i doubt we pass. The guys a sure fire left tackle and if this mock works to be true we'd get a qb in cutler as well :D

RAS25
12-01-2005, 05:59 AM
greenway would be an excellent addition but if were in a spot to take the hometown favorite winston i doubt we pass. The guys a sure fire left tackle and if this mock works to be true we'd get a qb in cutler as well :D

either one would be fine with me though think saban would really consider greenway he is a big fast animal and with the way our line has been playing we wouldnt have such a urgency to draft lineman and there will be quality ones in the later rounds .....and id be really happy if we were able to pull that trade off and get cutler if it goes down the way you have it i would be sooooooo happy

Philter25
12-01-2005, 11:47 AM
I dont agree with Brick going #1 overall. I would HATE as a team to give that much guaranteed money to a LT. LT is one of the hardest positions to transition from college to the NFL. When you draft in the top 3 and you are giving out those huge contracts with that 50 million signing bonus, you want a sure fire impact player. LT isnt that position. If Im Houston, I take Reggie Bush.

With a RB, you pretty much know what you are getting. RB is the one position that can really produce their rookie year and can produce constantly. Heck, look at Robery Gallery. Also this draft is LOADED with LT's. You can get your LT with the first pick in the second round.

Although I completely agree Brick should be the top LT taken, if I had to give that #1 contract to a LT or a RB, I would give it to a RB in a heartbeat because you are almost guaranteed production. With a LT, its not as set in stone.

Ngata would be a great pick for the Ravens. Their DT's are horrible and way undersized. If they have the pick before us, I would put money on them taking a DT. Personally, im hoping we get Ngata but I would settle for a LT.

Also, the Eagles just signed Westbrook to an extension and drafted Moats last year. They have a gaping hole at WR and with Tra Thomas going down and John Runyan getting up there in age, might be in the market for an OT also. RB isnt their top need. Their run D is also weak. Philly would take a LB, OT, WR, and DT before another RB in the 1st round IMO.

Nappy Roots
12-01-2005, 12:26 PM
yea its hard to say a LT goes #1 in the draft. its also hard to say that Winston will got that high. i dont think Jimmy Williams will go that either. and i doubt there will be 4 WRs from this class go in the first round. Holmes and Jackson probably, doubt the Nance and Hagan will.

And i would probably slit my wrists if Ngata gets 1 pick from us and is picked there.

Agent51
12-01-2005, 02:09 PM
you must know something 3/4th the country doesnt know then man. D'brick is guarenteed #1 overall if the texans are picking...which they are. They need to improve there oline and there isnt a tackle better then him in the draft...hes everybit as good as Robert Gallery coming out a couple years ago

It is pretty clear the Texasn want, and need, him but I still don't think a LT would go #1 overall, I think the Texasns would try to trade down to get him, that way ALL that $ isn't spent on a position that is pretty hard to make a transition to. That or they take Bush/Leinart and use him as trade bait. I just can't picture Brick goin 1st overall. He is definately high first round worthy, and without a doubt the best LT in the draft, prolly best OL period, but #1 overall? I can't picture it. I still thing the Texans try for him, I just think they trade down in the process.

LSUSAINT
12-01-2005, 02:25 PM
Why would the Saints take Michael Huff?

They signed Dwight Smith in the offseason last year and drafted Josh Bullocks in the second round last year. They are set at safety.

Bad pick.

Ngata would be a better pick.

Eagles won't draft RB. They signed Westbrook to an extension and have other needs. A WR, OT, or DE would make more sense.

Buccaneers have bigger problems at OL then to draft a LB.

Marcus McNeill is a bad pick for the Falcons. They play an Alex Gibbs scheme. They like smaller, quicker OL. McNeill is 6-9 and is way too big for that line.

The Giants' LBs aren't bad. They need DT help. A guy like Gabe Watson or Claude Wroten would be a better pick.

Scott is too low.

Trueblood is too high. Whitworth or even Daryn Colledge will go before him.

Bears would take Leonard Pope or Vernon Davis over a WR. They have plenty of young WRs.

Jaguars' DEs are fine. Spicer and Hayward are playing very well. Jaguars would take a CB like Hill or a S.

Denver drafted 3 CBs last year and they are playing well. They won't go CB in the first round. Look for them to got DE, DT, OT, or S. Whitworth or Colledge should be the pick.

Jean-Gilles plays OG not OT.

The Dolphins would have to give up a little more in that trade.

LSUSAINT
12-01-2005, 02:31 PM
I dont agree with Brick going #1 overall. I would HATE as a team to give that much guaranteed money to a LT. LT is one of the hardest positions to transition from college to the NFL. When you draft in the top 3 and you are giving out those huge contracts with that 50 million signing bonus, you want a sure fire impact player. LT isnt that position. If Im Houston, I take Reggie Bush.

The Texans don't need a RB. The have Dominick Davis who they gave a contract extension not too long ago.

Davis is their best offensive weapon.

If you want a bunch of money tied up into one position and have them split playing time, then sure take Bush.

Ferguson is the right pick there.

Even Reggie Bush would struggle behind the Texans current OL.

Oboy
12-01-2005, 03:26 PM
The main reason I agree with the Texans taking Brick is because they have ALWAYS said (since their inagural draft) that the "key to winning starts with the oline". Considering they STILL do not have any stability on the line, I can totally see it.

Buddwalk
12-01-2005, 04:04 PM
You guys are crazy if you think the texans will draft anyone else other then dbrick...they could possibly trade down but if they stay dbrick is the pick

Philter25
12-01-2005, 04:21 PM
The Texans don't need a RB. The have Dominick Davis who they gave a contract extension not too long ago.


You are correct:



Texans running back Domanick Davis' two consecutive 1,000-yard seasons have earned him a five-year contract extension worth $21.1 million.

Davis gets a $5 million signing bonus and the same $380,000 base salary — the minimum for a third-year player — he was scheduled to make in his original contract.
Beginning in 2006, Davis' base salaries are $1.7 million, $3.34 million, $4.180 million and $4.55 million.

Davis will be paid a $1.2 million option bonus in March. He'll also receive an $800,000 roster bonus next year.

Davis' new contract takes up $1 million more in salary-cap space.

The $5 million signing bonus is spread over five years, and $1 million of it counts against the cap each year.

Personally, that contract is eatable IMO after the 2006 season. He has an 800k roster bonus and his base salary jumps up to 3.34 million and then higher in the final 2 years of his contract.

I agree that DBrick would fill the biggest need for the Texans, my point was I would hate to draft him that high and give him that high of a contract. You are basically giving a LT a 50 million signing bonus and its very hard for a LT to transition into the NFL. See Robert Gallery.

Im not calling it the wrong pick, because it fills their biggest need, I would just absolutely hate to give guaranteed money and a 50 million signing bonus to a LT over a RB or QB. At least with a RB you have guaranteed production and this draft is deep with good LTs. You should get quality at the OT position with the first pick in the 2nd round.

Philter25
12-01-2005, 04:27 PM
You guys are crazy if you think the texans will draft anyone else other then dbrick...they could possibly trade down but if they stay dbrick is the pick

We will see. Houston still has Tennessee Arizona and SF on the schedule so they might actually win another game and the top 4 teams might shuffle.

If they are in the top spot, I think they try their hardest to trade down.

You can call me 50% crazy because Im not 100% sure on them drafting Ferguson. Last year, didnt everyone have Aaron Rodgers as their consensus #1 pick in the draft? How many people here last year were hardcore on the Alex Smith bandwagon?

Buddwalk
12-01-2005, 04:52 PM
Very true...but im talking right now this point in the season the texans clear cut need is definitely LT not rb. [Domanick Davis had like 13 tds last year and like 60 catches and over 1000 yards]

dominizzo
12-01-2005, 05:01 PM
i like it buddwalk

Philter25
12-01-2005, 05:35 PM
Another nitpicky one is Chicago. I think they might take Davis if he is still there when he is drafting. Im not knocking a WR, that they definately will need. Moosh is getting up there in age, isnt he like 34ish now? I could see them going either way, TE or WR.

Bjorn
12-01-2005, 06:27 PM
The only thing I am not sure of is why we would trade with the colts to get Cutler, they won't be drafting him. Otherwise it is pretty good.

Philter25
12-01-2005, 06:50 PM
The only thing I am not sure of is why we would trade with the colts to get Cutler, they won't be drafting him. Otherwise it is pretty good.

If the Colts were planning on drafting him, they wouldnt trade with us.

You dont necessarily trade with teams you THINK are going to be drafting someone you want. You trade AHEAD of those teams to block them from drafting that guy.

Example: Say we thought a team who had a higher draft pick than we did in the 2nd round was going to draft him, we would get a better deal trading up with a team higher than they are that might be looking to trade down.

If Indy was planning on drafting Cutler and they knew we wanted Cutler, they wouldnt trade the pick to us unless we overpaid for the pick. Kinda like what Mike Tice did to Spielman with Vernon Carey. :lol:

SMadison29
12-01-2005, 06:57 PM
The Texans don't need a RB. The have Dominick Davis who they gave a contract extension not too long ago.

Davis is their best offensive weapon.

If you want a bunch of money tied up into one position and have them split playing time, then sure take Bush.

Ferguson is the right pick there.

Even Reggie Bush would struggle behind the Texans current OL.

The Texans would take Reggie Bush because with the 1st overall pick you take the BEST overall player, not the 3-10th best. Domanick Davis is just a decent NFL back, nothing great, just decent with a pedestrian ypc. The Texans only playmaker on offense is Andre Johnson, Bush would give them their much needed 2nd playmaker. If you look at Davis' contract carefully you'll see that it is set up so they can dump him after the 07 season saving $.75M. Two year's together wouldn't be a bad thing since Reggie is a return man & receiver also. Bush would be the pick & if the Texans don't think they need him, which they do, they should trade down.

SMadison29
12-01-2005, 07:07 PM
you must know something 3/4th the country doesnt know then man. D'brick is guarenteed #1 overall if the texans are picking...which they are.

He's been hurt most of the year. He isn't garuanteed anything. He has some ground to make up. You don't take the 3-10th best player with the 1st pick.


Eagles won't draft RB. They signed Westbrook to an extension and have other needs. A WR, OT, or DE would make more sense.

They do need a RB regardless of the extension Westbrook signed they need a RB like LenDale White bad. They need that power back that can run the ball in big games that Westbrook is incapable of. Maroney isn't that type of back though.


Trueblood is too high. Whitworth or even Daryn Colledge will go before him.

Not according to Kiper. Trueblood is the #3 OT. Colledge is overrated.


Jaguars' DEs are fine. Spicer and Hayward are playing very well. Jaguars would take a CB like Hill or a S.

Their LDE leaves something to be desired. Spicer is okay but having a career year at age 30. If Tamba Hali, a top 12 player, falls way down there they better take him.

Amars
12-01-2005, 08:06 PM
how did we get a 2nd 1st rd pick

Disgustipate
12-01-2005, 08:41 PM
I'm surprised more people dont disagree with the idea of the Dolphins taking an OT with their first pick. We really dont need one.

Basically, our O-line is where it needs to be right now. As of right now, we're #5 in YPC and #5 in sacks allowed per pass attempt. While I'm not advocating we neglect our O-line completely, but we've got a young O-line that is performing well.

Let Hudson Houck scout out projects in FA and the draft. We're good for now.

SMadison29
12-01-2005, 09:10 PM
Hey Budd, you may want to include your projected trade of between the Cardinals, Vikings, & Chargers.


I'm surprised more people dont disagree with the idea of the Dolphins taking an OT with their first pick. We really dont need one.

Basically, our O-line is where it needs to be right now. As of right now, we're #5 in YPC and #5 in sacks allowed per pass attempt. While I'm not advocating we neglect our O-line completely, but we've got a young O-line that is performing well.

Let Hudson Houck scout out projects in FA and the draft. We're good for now.


I didn't even pay attention to that. I think we're fine at LT & with that recent article about Alabi I'm even more sure that we're fine at LT. We need to grab a center (if McKinney isn't retained) & a RG.


The only thing I am not sure of is why we would trade with the colts to get Cutler, they won't be drafting him. Otherwise it is pretty good.

It's not about if the Colts would draft him, which they most likely wouldn't, it's about jumping teams like the Jets, Saints, Cardinals, & Ravens in the second round who would be eyeing Cutler.

SMadison29
12-01-2005, 09:57 PM
19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Ahmad Brooks LB Virginia


Word now is that he's staying in school. As is Ernie Sims, which will make you FSU fans happy.

Nappy Roots
12-01-2005, 10:21 PM
Word now is that he's staying in school. As is Ernie Sims, which will make you FSU fans happy.




:mdfin: :banana: :cpatch::banana::mdfin:

Clark Kent
12-01-2005, 10:24 PM
you must know something 3/4th the country doesnt know then man. D'brick is guarenteed #1 overall if the texans are picking...which they are. They need to improve there oline and there isnt a tackle better then him in the draft...hes everybit as good as Robert Gallery coming out a couple years ago


It's not something 3/4 of the country doesn't know, it's simply what you and other people who don't know much about the draft don't know...

Brick isn't going #1 overall, period.

1. They'll trade out of the spot if possible. D'brick is a very good LT prospect, but Bush and Leinart are both ranked ahead of him. Some team will trade up, because if they don't (see #2)...

2. The Texans will draft Leinart or Bush. Leinart is the best QB prospect in the last 10 years, maybe best ever (or very close). Bush is just out of this world. Both prospects are ranked ahead of Brick (and by far I might add, those two are leagues above any other prospect this year), and when you draft #1 you want the (and say it outloud when you read it) BEST VALUE POSSIBLE.

D'brick is going #3 overall at best and worst (I really don't see him going anywhere else but #3).

LIQUID24
12-01-2005, 11:14 PM
Not according to Kiper. Trueblood is the #3 OT. Colledge is overrated.

I'd have to disagree there. Trueblood looks a bit stiff to me, has slow feet and seems to have trouble with speed rushers. No better than a 3rd round prospect IMO.

He's a little undersized, but Colledge has some of the best footwork and balance I've seen from from an LT this year. Granted, he doesn't play against the best competition, but I'd take him over Trueblood and Whitworth any day.

Buddwalk
12-02-2005, 12:35 AM
The only thing I am not sure of is why we would trade with the colts to get Cutler, they won't be drafting him. Otherwise it is pretty good.
But the jets will at 34 overall...you have to jump ahead of them cant let them get both bush and cutler ;)

gunhaver
12-03-2005, 01:12 AM
ferguson will drop in the draft