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dominizzo
12-07-2005, 03:21 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2250330

TheAnswer385
12-07-2005, 07:21 AM
Dave Williams Is A Good Young Pitcher Which Im Sure If Your A Reds Fan You Would Kno U Need. WOW IM A PIRATES FAN SO SORRY FP GOING OFF

dominizzo
12-07-2005, 07:33 AM
CAsey is a good hitter IMO

TheAnswer385
12-07-2005, 07:42 AM
Hes A Hr Or K Kinda Player Imo. None The Less I Welcome Him To Pittsburgh

UCFinfan86
12-07-2005, 07:44 AM
Hes A Hr Or K Kinda Player Imo. None The Less I Welcome Him To Pittsburgh

um not really, thats y he only had liek 9 Hrs last year. He is a solid hitter, Shouldnt have a .321 avergae cuz he won't have Dunn to proect him this year. I say like .310. But he is also a very good defensive guy and that is good for the pirate swith their young infield

TheAnswer385
12-07-2005, 07:45 AM
Sorry I Got Him And Dunn Mixed Up

phunwin
12-07-2005, 09:20 AM
Casey's an expensive stiff, and Williams is a decent, but hardly spectacular, young pitcher. But he's also cheap. The Pirates got ripped off. Why do they keep spending their limited resources on overpriced veterans?

MikeO
12-07-2005, 10:10 AM
Casey's an expensive stiff, and Williams is a decent, but hardly spectacular, young pitcher. But he's also cheap. The Pirates got ripped off. Why do they keep spending their limited resources on overpriced veterans?

Casey has no speed and no power. On a good team he is fine. On a team like Cincy or Pitt....he is a nobody

UCFinfan86
12-07-2005, 10:12 AM
he is gonna provide good defense for that young pirates IF though. i don't agree with it though cuz they don't need an other singles and doubles hitter. they need a power guy because they realy have no one for power at all, and havent since Giles and Ramirez left

MoFinz
12-07-2005, 10:15 AM
Casey has no speed and no power. On a good team he is fine. On a team like Cincy or Pitt....he is a nobody

Yeah, cuz first basemen need worlds of speed :shakeno:
He's a solid hitter with solid defensive skills and solid character. Good pickup for the Bucs

UCFinfan86
12-07-2005, 10:17 AM
Yeah, cuz first basemen need worlds of speed :shakeno:
He's a solid hitter with solid defensive skills and solid character. Good pickup for the Bucs

ya he can teach the yougn guys some stuff, also its not liek they gave up Zach Duke, Dave Williams is just an OK young pitcher that might develop into a solid 3rd Starter

FinsNYanksFan13
12-07-2005, 12:44 PM
I feel real sorry for Sean Casey. I don't know him personally but in every interview I've seen him in he seems like the kind of guy you want on your team. It's ashame but nice guys finish last!

phunwin
12-07-2005, 01:49 PM
Yeah, cuz first basemen need worlds of speed :shakeno:
He's a solid hitter with solid defensive skills and solid character. Good pickup for the Bucs

Somehow, these positive traits add up to being worth $8 million a year? Not to mention giving up a decent, young and cheap pitcher?


ya he can teach the yougn guys some stuff, also its not liek they gave up Zach Duke, Dave Williams is just an OK young pitcher that might develop into a solid 3rd Starter

He's a first baseman who had a .423 slugging percentage last year despite playing half his games in the most hitter-friendly park in baseball. If you think that's a fluke, he had slugging percentages of .362 and .408 in 2002 and 2003. He was good in 2004 (.534), but I'm almost certain those numbers would make him one of the two or three worst power-hitting regular first baseman in baseball over the last four years. (Hmm, plate patience, can't hit for power, nice guy with that all important "locker room leader" tag, plays defense....you could argue the Bucs just traded for a more expensive version of Doug Mientkiewicz.)

What, precisely, is he going to teach the young guys apart from how NOT to hit for power?

This is a horrible move for Pittsburgh. Terrible. They simply do not have the payroll to collect stiffs like this, yet they do it every year, with guys like Raul Mondesi and Derek Bell before that.

TheAnswer385
12-07-2005, 05:48 PM
Casey's an expensive stiff, and Williams is a decent, but hardly spectacular, young pitcher. But he's also cheap. The Pirates got ripped off. Why do they keep spending their limited resources on overpriced veterans?i think the same way it sucks. Look at these 3 players they brought in the past couple years david bell, raul mondasi(sp), matt lawton. lawton was alright there but the other 2 sucked

RWhitney014
12-07-2005, 07:14 PM
Casey is underrated as a player but overvalued with that contract.

ChambersWI
12-07-2005, 08:04 PM
I feel real sorry for Sean Casey. I don't know him personally but in every interview I've seen him in he seems like the kind of guy you want on your team. It's ashame but nice guys finish last!

he wanted to go to Pittsburgh (He's from there). He even talked about signing with them after next year.

Pirates needed veteran who can get on base, and take pressure off of Bay (they might get Bill Mueller as well).

Also, Casey will be a FA next year and can be used as trade bait if the Pirates stink up the joint.

phunwin
12-07-2005, 08:06 PM
Casey is underrated as a player but overvalued with that contract.

To the extent that he's an absolutely destitute man's Mark Grace, you're right. But there are at least 25 regular first basemen in the bigs that I can just about guarantee would be more productive. And probably another dozen readily-available guys languishing away on a bench or AAA that are cheap as hell, better hitters, and readily available. So, in that context, it's impossible to separate the player from the contract.

I can't believe I'm getting so worked up about this. I'm completely indifferent to the Pirates!

RWhitney014
12-07-2005, 08:49 PM
To the extent that he's an absolutely destitute man's Mark Grace, you're right. But there are at least 25 regular first basemen in the bigs that I can just about guarantee would be more productive. And probably another dozen readily-available guys languishing away on a bench or AAA that are cheap as hell, better hitters, and readily available. So, in that context, it's impossible to separate the player from the contract.

I can't believe I'm getting so worked up about this. I'm completely indifferent to the Pirates!

:chuckle:

phunwin
12-07-2005, 11:26 PM
I knew a fellow writer would enjoy the term "absolutely destitute man's Mark Grace". :)

RWhitney014
12-07-2005, 11:32 PM
You know, I used to hit like Mark Grace. Left-handed 1B, lots of line drives in the gaps, smooth swing. Ah, Little League.

Ray Finkle
12-08-2005, 01:24 AM
But there are at least 25 regular first basemen in the bigs that I can just about guarantee would be more productive.

I hope you're not including Kevin Millar or Doug Mienkiewitcz in there :lol:

phunwin
12-08-2005, 08:48 AM
I hope you're not including Kevin Millar or Doug Mienkiewitcz in there :lol:

No, and I've ruled out JT Snow, too. :lol:

Ray Finkle
12-08-2005, 01:34 PM
No, and I've ruled out JT Snow, too. :lol:

:rofl3: How could I forget about him?

phunwin
12-08-2005, 02:14 PM
:rofl3: How could I forget about him?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/snowj.01.shtml

This is interesting: Snow's sabermetric stats almost exactly mirror Casey's over the last few years, although Snow only plays about 100 or so games per year. And like Casey, he was surprisingly good in 2004.

The other 1B that deserves mention for being horrible is Darin Erstad. Casual fans love Erstad, since he plays good defense, hustles, gets his uniform dirty and yells at guys on the bench. Basically, Erstad does everything but the one thing a first baseman really has to do: hit. And like Casey, he's outlandishly expensive for what he brings to the table. Amazingly (or perhaps not so amazingly) Erstad has received almost "sacred cow" status among most casual fans, since he has all those wonderful attributes above, plus a World Series ring (to his credit, he did hit extremely well in the 2002 playoffs, so at least he actually earned that ring).