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Buddwalk
12-08-2005, 01:29 AM
Buddwalks December Mock Draft 2

1.Tennessee Titans (f/HOU) – Matt Leinart QB USC

2.New York Jets – Reggie Bush RB USC

3.San Francisco 49ers – AJ Hawk LB Ohio State

4.Green Bay Packers – D’Brickashaw Ferguson OT Virginia

5.Houston Texans (f/TEN) – Eric Winston OT Miami

6.New Orleans Saints – Jimmy Williams CB Virginia Tech

7.Buffalo Bills – Mario Williams DE NC State

8.Cleveland Browns – Chad Greenway LB Iowa

9.Arizona Cardinals – DeAngelo Williams RB

10. Baltimore Ravens – Haloti Ngata DT Oregon

11. Detroit Lions – Winston Justice OT USC

12. Oakland Raiders – Mathias Kiwanaku DE Boston College

13. Miami Dolphins – Michael Huff S/CB Texas

14. St. Louis Rams – Ahmad Brooks LB Virginia

15. Philadelphia Eagles – Gabe Watson DT Michigan

16. Denver (f/WAS) – Marcedes Lewis TE UCLA

17. Minnesota Vikings – Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota

18. Atlanta Falcons – Tamba Hali DE Penn State

19. Pittsburgh Steelers – Martin Nance WR Miami (OH)

20. New England Patriots – LaRon Landry S LSU

21. Dallas Cowboys – Jon Scott OT Texas

22. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Marcus McNeill OT Auburn

23. New York Giants – Tye Hill CB Clemson

24. Kansas City Chiefs – Rodrique Wright DT Texas

25. San Diego Chargers – Santonio Holmes WR Ohio State

26. Chicago Bears – Vernon Davis TE Maryland

27. Carolina Panthers – DeMeco Ryans LB Alabama

28. Jacksonville Jaguars – Leonard Pope TE Georgia

29. Cincinnati Bengals – Claude Wroten DT LSU

30. Denver Broncos – Derek Hagan WR Arizona State

31. Seattle Seahawks – Chad Jackson WR Florida

32. Indianapolis Colts – Bobby Carpenter LB Ohio State



*Titans trade #5 overall and Titans 2nd round pick to Houston for there #1 overall pick

*Denver has the redskins first overall pick from a former deal that occurred last year

dominizzo
12-08-2005, 05:26 AM
i like it Huff is great but Patsises must love LSU players he has like 8 on the team

Philter25
12-08-2005, 11:23 AM
Interesting first trade.

I dont think Tenn will trade up with Houston.

Tennessee wants Leinart but look at the teams above them. Houston has Carr, SF just took Smith, GB has Rodgers.... they wouldnt need to jump over these teams.

The only way your trade up makes sense is if they feel that the Jets are going to take Leinart and dump Pennington. I dont see that happening only because the amount of salary cap the Jets would have tied up in the QB position is immense. The Jets are in a horrible position. They resigned noodle arm to a huge deal when they knew he was an injury liability. Personally, I love it but I hate the fact I think they are going to take Bush.

Therefore Tennessee has NO reason to trade up to get Leinart. Also, the trade value you have for the trade is WAY in Tennessee's favor. Houston is getting nowhere near the trade value for the top pick in the draft. Theres what, a 20 million difference between taking Leinart 1st and taking Leinart 5th. If Tennessee doesnt need to jump those teams to take Leinart, I have 20 million reasons why they would stay put at #5.

I thought you told me last week that there was no way Houston wouldnt take Ferguson with the top pick? :lol:

kastofsna120
12-08-2005, 02:16 PM
i think the bills draft ngata in that situation. and ferguson and jimmy williams will drop

Mindwarp
12-08-2005, 02:17 PM
i think the bills draft ngata in that situation. and ferguson and jimmy williams will drop


I agree with the Ngata and Williams comment

Mindwarp
12-08-2005, 02:23 PM
also I don't think Eric Winston will go that high either.

kastofsna120
12-08-2005, 02:28 PM
i think tye hill will go ahead of williams. the combine is going to KILL wiliams

MelbournePhin
12-08-2005, 02:47 PM
winston is way over-hyped

Philter25
12-08-2005, 03:36 PM
i think the bills draft ngata in that situation. and ferguson and jimmy williams will drop

Heck, if the Bills dont resign Clements they might be drafting CB in that situation.

kastofsna120
12-08-2005, 03:40 PM
Heck, if the Bills dont resign Clements they might be drafting CB in that situation.
i thought they give him an extension like a month or two ago?

LIQUID24
12-08-2005, 04:12 PM
i thought they give him an extension like a month or two ago?
No, they gave their other corner (McGee?) an extension. I'm guessing Clements will be franchised though.

Philter25
12-08-2005, 04:13 PM
i thought they give him an extension like a month or two ago?

Definately not. Unless it went completely unreported throughout the NFL and NFLPA.org and you were the only person to hear about it. ;)

Buddwalk
12-08-2005, 04:19 PM
Couple things i didnt like bout my own mock looking back now


*Tennessee Trade might be stupid
*Winston at 5 is possible but a huge combine is needed right now he is the 2nd best tackle in the draft still though
*Ngata in this mock could be picked as high as #4 to the packers or as low as #10 to the ravens...but i see 4 teams looking at him in the top 10... packers, bills, ravens, and cardinals

Philter25
12-08-2005, 04:26 PM
Couple things i didnt like bout my own mock looking back now


*Tennessee Trade might be stupid


Phew. Im glad you recognized that. I was hoping you wouldnt try to defend or argue that one with me because I had an avalanche of reasons on why that was a horrible trade and would never ever ever happen. :lol:

LostInPatsLand
12-08-2005, 04:40 PM
I much rather have LaRon Landry than Huff. Landry was taught how to play ball by Saban and already knows the system and is at least the playmaker Huff is.

It's good that you didn't put Jay Cutler in the first. He's not worthy of a 1st rounder at this time.

Buddwalk
12-08-2005, 05:47 PM
Phew. Im glad you recognized that. I was hoping you wouldnt try to defend or argue that one with me because I had an avalanche of reasons on why that was a horrible trade and would never ever ever happen. :lol:

actually man only reason im saying no on that one is cause trades in december are foolish...The jets have also come out and said there not interesting in usc players and would rather trade down in the draft...they dont believe in investing lots of money in just one player

If the texans come out and say were taking leinart #1 overall then people are gonna freak and make offers to them including the titans who desperately need a qb

Philter25
12-08-2005, 06:03 PM
actually man only reason im saying no on that one is cause trades in december are foolish...The jets have also come out and said there not interesting in usc players and would rather trade down in the draft...they dont believe in investing lots of money in just one player

If the texans come out and say were taking leinart #1 overall then people are gonna freak and make offers to them including the titans who desperately need a qb

The Jets are full of BS if they say that. Dont believe ANYTHING you hear about the draft in the media before the draft. Its all smokescreens. Teams try to get the best deals and the best players and the best moves for their franchise. Anything you hear is complete BS.

They dont believe investing money in just one player? LMAO! What about Pennington? :lol:

Arrgh.

Look at previous years when people traded up to the #1 spot what they gave up. Look at draft charts and see what the top pick is worth.

Look at what you have Tennessee giving up to trade up to the top spot. Now seriously tell me that exact trade will happen. :lol: If it does, Houston's GM would be fired before he can even pick someone in the draft.

jnewmant
12-08-2005, 06:08 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

Philter25
12-08-2005, 06:26 PM
Thanks for the chart.

Budd, as you can see, the first pick is worth 3000 points and you wanted to trade the Titans #5 overall and their 2nd rounder for the top overall pick.

As you can see from the chart, thats a horrible value for the Texans and thats why I said in my last post the Texans GM would prolly get fired before the 2nd round after making that trade.

kastofsna120
12-08-2005, 06:26 PM
No, they gave their other corner (McGee?) an extension. I'm guessing Clements will be franchised though.
not sure how i could confuse the two

kastofsna120
12-08-2005, 06:28 PM
I much rather have LaRon Landry than Huff. Landry was taught how to play ball by Saban and already knows the system and is at least the playmaker Huff is.

It's good that you didn't put Jay Cutler in the first. He's not worthy of a 1st rounder at this time.
cutler will be in the top 15 on draft day if quinn and young don't declare

Buddwalk
12-08-2005, 07:41 PM
cutler will be in the top 15 on draft day if quinn and young don't declare

not unless he has a huge combine...but despite not having one if quinn and young both dont declare hes proboboly a first round lock still or early early 2nd ;)

SF Dolphin Fan
12-08-2005, 08:16 PM
Huff would be nice. I have a feeling Miami will beat New York and Tennessee so at 7-9 Huff might be there. Jonathan Scott is another player I like and maybe even Jay Cutler.

kastofsna120
12-08-2005, 08:20 PM
not unless he has a huge combine...but despite not having one if quinn and young both dont declare hes proboboly a first round lock still or early early 2nd ;)
that's the point. they won't declare, he'll have a great combine and senior bowl, and he'll get drafted high

Buddwalk
12-09-2005, 07:16 AM
that's the point. they won't declare, he'll have a great combine and senior bowl, and he'll get drafted high

I think the same my friend...probobly still with all that though it'll only make him a 1st round lock.

Oboy
12-09-2005, 09:24 AM
I have feeling if Quinn and Young do NOT declare, you may see Cutler rise up draft boards just like Rivers did a couple of years ago. Remember at this point before that draft a LOT of us thought Rivers would be there at 19-20 when we were going to pick. Where did he end up?

You get my point. It is a bit early to be projecting draft status. Especially at a volatile position like QB.

finfansince72
12-09-2005, 09:24 PM
If I have the number one pick I stay there and take Bush. Houston can get oline help in the rest of the draft and through FA. Bush is the best player in the draft, he would immediately improve the offense and take pressure off of Carr. A rookie OT is just going to get knocked around and be making close to what Bush is going to make. Davis is alright at Rb but hes nowhere near what Bush is.
I think the Jest will have the number one pick and take Bush anyways though.

kastofsna120
12-09-2005, 09:32 PM
i'm making a mock draft later tonight