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Quelonio
12-09-2005, 09:03 AM
I know that most people here don't really get excited but it is the World Cup man, that is one important thing.

Today they decide the groups. Mexico is head of a group so there is a chance they will get a easier group.

Amars
12-09-2005, 12:04 PM
what tme is it at?

Quelonio
12-09-2005, 12:05 PM
I dunno, ESPN soccernet has a live tracker... I think it is 7 PM german time

Amars
12-09-2005, 12:05 PM
I know that most people here don't really get excited but it is the World Cup man, that is one important thing.

Today they decide the groups. Mexico is head of a group so there is a chance they will get a easier group.


If they dont get the US or Holland they will get out of the first round

Amars
12-09-2005, 12:05 PM
I believe that around 3EST

Amars
12-09-2005, 12:07 PM
12PST on ESPN2

phunwin
12-09-2005, 03:05 PM
I know that most people here don't really get excited but it is the World Cup man, that is one important thing.

Today they decide the groups. Mexico is head of a group so there is a chance they will get a easier group.

Not to talk trash, but it's insane that Mexico was seeded, and not the USA or Netherlands. The USA has clearly been a better team than Mexico over the last four years and did far better at the 2002 WC, and the Dutch are ranked 3rd in the world.

Amars
12-09-2005, 03:50 PM
Not to talk trash, but it's insane that Mexico was seeded, and not the USA or Netherlands. The USA has clearly been a better team than Mexico over the last four years and did far better at the 2002 WC, and the Dutch are ranked 3rd in the world.



I agree. Mexico is good but US and Netherland are better. But it doesnt matter. I believe the US will go to semi and will be difficult to beat.

KTownsDolphins
12-09-2005, 09:21 PM
USA won't even get out of the first round

They drew the #2 ranked country in the world my home nation Czech Republic and Italy who are always dominant.

It will be a short world cup for USA

finfansince72
12-09-2005, 09:27 PM
Should be interesting seeing this in Korea. They go crazy for the world cup. They have huge TV screens outside all around in Korea and people line the streets to watch the games, should be fun to go to. Grabbing some soju and watching soccer in the freezing cold....

Prime Time
12-09-2005, 10:45 PM
So excited for the World Cup!! Have you guys seen the new ball? It looks alright, but I prefer the Fevernova of 2002. I have been on this board for quite some time and as it has grown so has the fans of Soccer, so I am glad to see so many who like soccer. Incase you didn't know I root for 3 teams...Argentina, USA and Peru. Peru is not in it because they did not qualify...but I will be rooting for Argentina and USA. I think US needs to go 1-1-1 at the minimum to qualify for the next round. I think they can do it, and Czech will leave the tournament early. Italy plays very defensively and could be eliminated but I think their Trio knows this maybe their last chance to win a WC together (Totti, Del Piero, Vieri), not to mention both of their GKs are among the Top 5-10 in the World.

Argentina SHOULD easily get out of the first round this time. No more egos. No more Expectations of the 1st Place team. They have Ghana, Serbia and Montenegro (Who could be a surprise) and Holland (Netherlands). Argentina should go 2-0-1 (2 wins and maybe 1 loss). This time they are not in the Group of Death (or "El Grupo De La Muerta" like they where in 2002) that belongs to US now this WC. This mixture of young/experienced players should go far in this Cup If not win it all. I don't like Pekerman much and don't think he is doing much different then Bielsa but, there are no excuses now. No Batistuta. No Ortega. No Veron. No Pochettino. I know Argentina will go with El Pato Abbondanzierri as their GK which I think is a mistake because I think he is OVERHYPED and OVERRATED. I think El Mono Burgos and Pablo Cavallero are both better but both don't have a chance to play for this squad...sucks because this is El Mono's last chance due to age.

I also want to see Brazil get eliminated quickly, but I REALLY want to see Ronaldinho play as much as I can, so I am torn there. That man can ball.

Anyway, it should be a GREAT World Cup and I look forward to it. 4 Years have gone by so damn fast! I might even go with some family to watch some games and root for my Americans damn it!

PHINATIC13
12-09-2005, 10:58 PM
I don't really follow soccer,but I do love to watch the World Cup of soccer.I got a killer Brasil jersey my brother-in-law got for me when he was there a few years back.I never wear it cause it just looks so cool(green,blue and yellow)the way it is. And the fact that I'm not from Brasil.

Btw ..............GO USA!!!!!!

Phin19
12-09-2005, 10:58 PM
So excited for the World Cup!! Have you guys seen the new ball? It looks alright, but I prefer the Fevernova of 2002. I have been on this board for quite some time and as it has grown so has the fans of Soccer, so I am glad to see so many who like soccer. Incase you didn't know I root for 3 teams...Argentina, USA and Peru. Peru is not in it because they did not qualify...but I will be rooting for Argentina and USA. I think US needs to go 1-1-1 at the minimum to qualify for the next round. I think they can do it, and Czech will leave the tournament early. Italy plays very defensively and could be eliminated but I think their Trio knows this maybe their last chance to win a WC together (Totti, Del Piero, Vieri), not to mention both of their GKs are among the Top 5-10 in the World.

Argentina SHOULD easily get out of the first round this time. No more egos. No more Expectations of the 1st Place team. They have Ghana, Serbia and Montenegro (Who could be a surprise) and Holland (Netherlands). Argentina should go 2-0-1 (2 wins and maybe 1 loss). This time they are not in the Group of Death (or "El Grupo De La Muerta" like they where in 2002) that belongs to US now this WC. This mixture of young/experienced players should go far in this Cup If not win it all. I don't like Pekerman much and don't think he is doing much different then Bielsa but, there are no excuses now. No Batistuta. No Ortega. No Veron. No Pochettino. I know Argentina will go with El Pato Abbondanzierri as their GK which I think is a mistake because I think he is OVERHYPED and OVERRATED. I think El Mono Burgos and Pablo Cavallero are both better but both don't have a chance to play for this squad...sucks because this is El Mono's last chance due to age.

I also want to see Brazil get eliminated quickly, but I REALLY want to see Ronaldinho play as much as I can, so I am torn there. That man can ball.

Anyway, it should be a GREAT World Cup and I look forward to it. 4 Years have gone by so damn fast! I might even go with some family to watch some games and root for my Americans damn it!

Why do you root for Peru?

Prime Time
12-09-2005, 11:10 PM
Because I am 1/2 Peruvian. I root for Peru because they are an under dog and use to be good in the 70's (like the Fins), but then fell off. I enjoy watching the team play but unfortunately they just cant get it done. I don't think they should have Fired Autorri, because the new coach is wack as hell. I'll miss watching Solano wear #7 for Peru since he retired from International Soccer after a WC Qualifying tie to Uruguay which killed our hopes of reaching the WC. Guerrero is decent but must improve A LOT. Farfan is the future of this team...Pizarro, Palacios, Soto and Mendoza are all veterans who could still play in 2010 in Africa BUT they need to start executing their opportunities. Jayo is decent, and the GK Ibanez was getting old. I want to see Butron get a chance. He is young and although is prone to make mistakes, I could see him playing in Europe If his talent develops the way the Peruvians are hoping. VAMOS PERU CARAJO!!!!!!

Amars
12-09-2005, 11:35 PM
I have TST-4 Argentina Tickets but still undecided if im going to go. It all depends if my sister moves to Italy in March so I can crash at her house. If not then it going to cost me like $5000.00 to go.

Amars
12-09-2005, 11:35 PM
I root for US and all latin american teams.

Amars
12-09-2005, 11:37 PM
I root for US and all latin american teams. But my main team is USA. I was there in 1994 World Cup US when they beat Columbia at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena. One of my greatest sports experiences.

Phin19
12-09-2005, 11:44 PM
I root for Mexico!!
Obviously I`m Mexican

and of the european teams I root for France and Spain

Im not a big fan of soccer but I love the world cup, I can`t wait for june!!!

byroan
12-09-2005, 11:45 PM
I love soccer. I use to play in a league as a kid until I moved. The World Cup is fun to watch.

Prime Time
12-09-2005, 11:55 PM
I root for US and all latin american teams. But my main team is USA. I was there in 1994 World Cup US when they beat Columbia at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena. One of my greatest sports experiences.

I was like 7 and I remember being at my Father's house with My Bro and I...when US won (the game ended at 10 PM EST, which was late to me since I was a little kid) we all jumped in our pool screaming and yelling.

phunwin
12-10-2005, 12:32 AM
I root for the USA first, then Ireland, then Ireland's historical oppressors. Funny how family lineage works.

Italy and the Czechs in the same group as the US. What a crock. That's three of the top 10 teams in the world in one group. Why on earth don't they allow seeding for #2 teams, instead of just #1 teams?

wazzy
12-10-2005, 12:38 AM
Go Ukraine we got Shevchenko and hes our only real chance we need him to play at the top of his game to even have a little chance.

wazzy
12-10-2005, 12:40 AM
Does anyone know what group of teams Ukraine is stuck with?

Phin19
12-10-2005, 01:10 AM
Does anyone know what group of teams Ukraine is stuck with?

Ukraine is with Spain, Tunisia and Saudi Arabia. thay have a good shot at qualifying to the next round

Prime Time
12-10-2005, 01:36 AM
Ukraine could make it, but like you said Shevchenko needs to bring his -A- game. Spain should be a lock...the other 3 will dog it out.

dominizzo
12-10-2005, 03:00 AM
Gooooooooooooooooooooooooo Arrrgennnnnnnnntiiiiiinaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

phunwin
12-10-2005, 04:26 PM
Ukraine could make it, but like you said Shevchenko needs to bring his -A- game. Spain should be a lock...the other 3 will dog it out.

Spain is never a lock. That team chokes every World Cup.

wpgfishfan
12-10-2005, 09:23 PM
I root for the USA first, then Ireland, then Ireland's historical oppressors. Funny how family lineage works.

Italy and the Czechs in the same group as the US. What a crock. That's three of the top 10 teams in the world in one group. Why on earth don't they allow seeding for #2 teams, instead of just #1 teams?

The bigger crock is the Americans being seeded in the top 10. I believe they are 8 and Italy is 12. I'm not sure how these world rankings are done but if the USA is so good then why have Beasley and Howard before he was benched the only 2 to make any impact in soccer across the ocean??

I root Italia first and Canada second when it comes to football (soccer)

Prime Time
12-11-2005, 11:56 AM
Spain is never a lock. That team chokes every World Cup.

I said SHOULD :lol: ;)

Prime Time
12-11-2005, 12:01 PM
The bigger crock is the Americans being seeded in the top 10. I believe they are 8 and Italy is 12. I'm not sure how these world rankings are done but if the USA is so good then why have Beasley and Howard before he was benched the only 2 to make any impact in soccer across the ocean??

I root Italia first and Canada second when it comes to football (soccer)

What does that have to do with World Rankings? Um a lot of US players have played in Europe, but they like it better in the US so they stay here or come back here. Howard and Beasley chose to get better (which is what happens when you play in Europe instead of MLS), but some decided to stay in MLS because it is more comfortable for them and to make an ATTEMPT at making Soccer more popular in the World.

The rankings don't really mean anything BUT they are based on wins, losses, ties etc. in the previous games a National Team has played.

PeaTearGriffin
12-11-2005, 12:19 PM
any guesses who comes out of each group?

soccerphinsfan7
12-11-2005, 12:26 PM
US is going to have a hardd time getting out of the "near group of death" Italy is great as always, Czchek (sp) is ranked number 2 and Ghana is better than you think, their best player is probably worth more money than the whole US team. With that said.. i'm rooting for Spain (perennial chokers) and the US.

wpgfishfan
12-11-2005, 12:36 PM
What does that have to do with World Rankings? Um a lot of US players have played in Europe, but they like it better in the US so they stay here or come back here. Howard and Beasley chose to get better (which is what happens when you play in Europe instead of MLS), but some decided to stay in MLS because it is more comfortable for them and to make an ATTEMPT at making Soccer more popular in the World.

The rankings don't really mean anything BUT they are based on wins, losses, ties etc. in the previous games a National Team has played.

Who do the Americans play??? Mexico, Costa Rica, Honduras, Canada

They do not get the opportunity to play the big guns from Europe and South America in any meaningful games.

If you are an athlete in any sport you go to wear the competition is the best. The rest of the USA squad needs to play in England, Italy, Spain and make an impact for anyone to take them seriously

wpgfishfan
12-11-2005, 12:54 PM
any guesses who comes out of each group?

Here are the odds as of today

Brazil (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 16/5 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114308','oc','SO','1771764','','16/5','',0,'4.2','4.30','2030950','1408'))
England (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 7.3/1 (http://javascript<b></b>:goBk('10218x','114314','oc','PN','7.3/1',0,'8.3','8.20','2030950','27');)
Germany (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 8.7/1 (http://javascript<b></b>:goBk('10218x','114309','oc','PN','8.7/1',0,'9.7','9.80','2030950','18');)
Argentina (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 8.7/1 (http://javascript<b></b>:goBk('10218x','114313','oc','PN','8.7/1',0,'9.7','10.50','2030950','2290');)
Italy (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 11 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114311','oc','PB','64015','','11/1','',0,'12','12.00','2030950','29'))
France (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 13 (http://javascript<b></b>:goBk('10218x','114310','oc','PN','13/1',0,'14','15.00','2030950','24');)
Holland (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 14 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114312','oc','TB','692504','','14/1','',0,'15','16.00','2030950','231787'))
Spain (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 16.3/1 (http://javascript<b></b>:goBk('10218x','114315','oc','PN','16.3/1',0,'17.3','18.00','2030950','22');)
Portugal (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 24 (http://javascript<b></b>:goBk('10218x','114316','oc','PN','24/1',0,'25','26.00','2030950','19');)
Czech Rep (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 33 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114317','oc','PB','64306','','33/1','',0,'34','38.00','2030950','49564'))
Sweden (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 40 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114321','oc','SK','10437859','','40/1','',0,'41','48.00','2030950','25912'))
Mexico (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 50 (http://javascript<b></b>:goBk('10218x','114324','oc','PN','50/1',0,'51','55.00','2030950','37944');)
Ukraine (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 66 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114341','oc','BT','2481899','','66/1','',0,'67','80.00','2030950','61448'))
Croatia (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 80 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114331','oc','FR','280107.10','','80/1','',0,'81','100.00','2030950','8212'))
USA (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 100 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114340','oc','VC','1543200.19791400.226094200.104002001','','100/1','',0,'101','100.00','2030950','352'))
Switzerland (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);)125 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114353','oc','PB','64339','','125/1','',0,'126','180.00','2030950','15293'))
Serbia and Montenegro (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);)125 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','2237739','oc','VC','1543200.19791400.431767400.104002101','','125/1','',0,'126','140.00','2030950','355789'))
Australia (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 125 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114333','oc','TB','1767667','','125/1','',0,'126','130.00','2030950','15296'))
Poland (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 125 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114332','oc','SJ','2479588.20','','125/1','',0,'126','150.00','2030950','8207'))
Ivory Coast (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);)125 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114359','oc','SK','13933771','','125/1','',0,'126','120.00','2030950','75104'))
Paraguay (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 200 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114343','oc','B3','24579265','','200/1','',0,'201','340.00','2030950','2292'))
Japan (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 250 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114338','oc','B3','24579270','','250/1','',0,'251','400.00','2030950','29636'))
Ecuador (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 250 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114336','oc','PB','64321','','250/1','',0,'251','510.00','2030950','15303'))
Ghana (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 250 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','2237776','oc','BS','5168926','','250/1','',0,'251','250.00','2030950','75108'))
Tunisia (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 300 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114363','oc','BS','5168933','','300/1','',0,'301','410.00','2030950','15292'))
South Korea (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);)300 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114347','oc','WH','','FB988239','300/1','',0,'301','300.00','2030950','47965'))
Togo (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 401 (http://javascript<b></b>:goBk('10218x','2237762','oc','PN','401/1',0,'402','610.00','2030950','75106');)
Iran (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 500 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114356','oc','FR','280140.10','','500/1','',0,'501','840.00','2030950','47966'))
Costa Rica (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);)500 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114357','oc','WH','','FB988239','500/1','',0,'501','870.00','2030950','43376'))
Angola (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 500 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','2237774','oc','TB','3343042','','500/1','',0,'501','670.00','2030950','62385'))
Saudi Arabia (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);)750 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114365','oc','WH','','FB988239','750/1','',0,'751','1000.00','2030950','51092'))
Trinidad and Tobago (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);)1500 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','2237781','oc','VC','1543200.19791400.730289700.104217801','','1500/1','',0,'1501','960.00','2030950','55204'))

Prime Time
12-11-2005, 03:17 PM
Who do the Americans play??? Mexico, Costa Rica, Honduras, Canada

They do not get the opportunity to play the big guns from Europe and South America in any meaningful games.

If you are an athlete in any sport you go to wear the competition is the best. The rest of the USA squad needs to play in England, Italy, Spain and make an impact for anyone to take them seriously

I don't care If anyone takes them seriously...I care If they win. USA did well in the Gold Cup in 03...losing to Brazil 2-1. USA lost to Holland in a Friendly 1-0 in 03. The rest of the US Squad SHOULD play in Europe but don't because they want to make MLS more succesful.

Prime Time
12-11-2005, 03:24 PM
US is going to have a hardd time getting out of the "near group of death" Italy is great as always, Czchek (sp) is ranked number 2 and Ghana is better than you think, their best player is probably worth more money than the whole US team. With that said.. i'm rooting for Spain (perennial chokers) and the US.

Why do you say near group of death? Italy is great as always? GREAT, I think not. They haven't been GREAT in a long time. Good yes....Great no. They need to play more consistantly and score more If they want to be GREAT.

Prime Time
12-11-2005, 03:36 PM
...Should be interesting...

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=351883&cc=5901

Pink_Dove
12-11-2005, 04:04 PM
Why do you say near group of death? Italy is great as always? GREAT, I think not. They haven't been GREAT in a long time. Good yes....Great no. They need to play more consistantly and score more If they want to be GREAT.

Gotta agree with PT on this one. I played soccer for 15 years and 1/4 of the team was Italian, so I've been hearing it's the Italians year since about WC '94. They came close in 2000 but that was in the Euro.

They'll be stellar at the back, they always have and seemingly, always will be.
Especially in net where I think they've got one of the best in Buffon.
But I was reading an old Euro 2000 preview yesterday and thought, the same thing applies today.They lack imagination up front, in that last 1/3 of the field. They've always had the Vieri's and the Del Piero but haven't been able to always provide them with that thru ball.

That being said watch out for Alberto Gilardino. One heck of a player.
Last time I was in Italy, fans and media were asking for him on the national squad and he was only 19.

Pink_Dove
12-11-2005, 04:09 PM
Here are the odds as of today

Brazil (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 16/5 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114308','oc','SO','1771764','','16/5','',0,'4.2','4.30','2030950','1408'))
England (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 7.3/1 (http://javascript<b></b>:goBk('10218x','114314','oc','PN','7.3/1',0,'8.3','8.20','2030950','27');)
Germany (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 8.7/1 (http://javascript<b></b>:goBk('10218x','114309','oc','PN','8.7/1',0,'9.7','9.80','2030950','18');)
Argentina (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 8.7/1 (http://javascript<b></b>:goBk('10218x','114313','oc','PN','8.7/1',0,'9.7','10.50','2030950','2290');)
Italy (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 11 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114311','oc','PB','64015','','11/1','',0,'12','12.00','2030950','29'))
France (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 13 (http://javascript<b></b>:goBk('10218x','114310','oc','PN','13/1',0,'14','15.00','2030950','24');)
Holland (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 14 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114312','oc','TB','692504','','14/1','',0,'15','16.00','2030950','231787'))
Spain (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 16.3/1 (http://javascript<b></b>:goBk('10218x','114315','oc','PN','16.3/1',0,'17.3','18.00','2030950','22');)
Portugal (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 24 (http://javascript<b></b>:goBk('10218x','114316','oc','PN','24/1',0,'25','26.00','2030950','19');)
Czech Rep (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 33 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114317','oc','PB','64306','','33/1','',0,'34','38.00','2030950','49564'))
Sweden (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 40 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114321','oc','SK','10437859','','40/1','',0,'41','48.00','2030950','25912'))
Mexico (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 50 (http://javascript<b></b>:goBk('10218x','114324','oc','PN','50/1',0,'51','55.00','2030950','37944');)
Ukraine (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 66 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114341','oc','BT','2481899','','66/1','',0,'67','80.00','2030950','61448'))
Croatia (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 80 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114331','oc','FR','280107.10','','80/1','',0,'81','100.00','2030950','8212'))
USA (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 100 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114340','oc','VC','1543200.19791400.226094200.104002001','','100/1','',0,'101','100.00','2030950','352'))
Switzerland (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);)125 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114353','oc','PB','64339','','125/1','',0,'126','180.00','2030950','15293'))
Serbia and Montenegro (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);)125 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','2237739','oc','VC','1543200.19791400.431767400.104002101','','125/1','',0,'126','140.00','2030950','355789'))
Australia (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 125 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114333','oc','TB','1767667','','125/1','',0,'126','130.00','2030950','15296'))
Poland (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 125 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114332','oc','SJ','2479588.20','','125/1','',0,'126','150.00','2030950','8207'))
Ivory Coast (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);)125 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114359','oc','SK','13933771','','125/1','',0,'126','120.00','2030950','75104'))
Paraguay (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 200 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114343','oc','B3','24579265','','200/1','',0,'201','340.00','2030950','2292'))
Japan (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 250 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114338','oc','B3','24579270','','250/1','',0,'251','400.00','2030950','29636'))
Ecuador (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 250 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114336','oc','PB','64321','','250/1','',0,'251','510.00','2030950','15303'))
Ghana (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 250 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','2237776','oc','BS','5168926','','250/1','',0,'251','250.00','2030950','75108'))
Tunisia (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 300 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114363','oc','BS','5168933','','300/1','',0,'301','410.00','2030950','15292'))
South Korea (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);)300 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114347','oc','WH','','FB988239','300/1','',0,'301','300.00','2030950','47965'))
Togo (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 401 (http://javascript<b></b>:goBk('10218x','2237762','oc','PN','401/1',0,'402','610.00','2030950','75106');)
Iran (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 500 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114356','oc','FR','280140.10','','500/1','',0,'501','840.00','2030950','47966'))
Costa Rica (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);)500 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114357','oc','WH','','FB988239','500/1','',0,'501','870.00','2030950','43376'))
Angola (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) 500 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','2237774','oc','TB','3343042','','500/1','',0,'501','670.00','2030950','62385'))
Saudi Arabia (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);)750 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','114365','oc','WH','','FB988239','750/1','',0,'751','1000.00','2030950','51092'))
Trinidad and Tobago (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);)1500 (http://javascript<b></b>:bSlip('10218x','2237781','oc','VC','1543200.19791400.730289700.104217801','','1500/1','',0,'1501','960.00','2030950','55204'))

Those are ridiculous odds for England.
I thought they would give the Czechs more respect but their lackluster showing in the QR's are the result of that. And I don't think Ukraine deserves to be higher than Serbia Montenegro, Croatia and USA. Sure they've got a top 3 player in Sheva and they're in a weak group but they're relative newcomers on the international stage.

Prime Time
12-12-2005, 01:22 AM
Those are ridiculous odds for England.
I thought they would give the Czechs more respect but their lackluster showing in the QR's are the result of that. And I don't think Ukraine deserves to be higher than Serbia Montenegro, Croatia and USA. Sure they've got a top 3 player in Sheva and they're in a weak group but they're relative newcomers on the international stage.

Ukraine? :lol: Bad odds

Quelonio
12-12-2005, 04:46 AM
Not to talk trash, but it's insane that Mexico was seeded, and not the USA or Netherlands. The USA has clearly been a better team than Mexico over the last four years and did far better at the 2002 WC, and the Dutch are ranked 3rd in the world.

Really? now I am just as much of a fan of both teams (kind of weird I know, but my dad is american so I can't really leave that aside). But I really don't see how you can say that it is clear that the US is better than Mexico in anyway.

We have divided wins depending on who is the home team when playing the game between us. Both teams where head to head in the Concacaf seeding sistem, and MExico ended up first, plus they held for a longer time without being beat by anyone, and the only team that beat them was the US in America (so again it was 1-1 per country). Now US lost 3-0 to Costa Rica. So that means a worst seeding in the Concacaf tournament.

US won the Gold Cup, true, but Mexico won the one before that. And ended up fourth place (only under brazil, argentina and Germany, beating Brazil in the process) in the confederations Cup. They won the under 17 world championship. They clasified to the second round of the 2001 American Cup...

So, how is the US clearly above Mexico right now? I agree that the playing field is at the same time, and that in any given sunday if both teams play each other, we have no idea which one of them would win... But stat wise (which is what defines which team is head of group) Mexico has more to speak of, in the same period of time...

And that is not even going into club games, in which Femexfut completely blows MLS out of the water. I mean just now Pumas of UNAM is playing in the finals of the continent tournament. After reaching semifinals twice, and the finals in another time. So... These are the stats that count, not the fact that USoccer is so much improved.

Now if you want to know my opinion, US has to stop being so nationalistic, Donovan should get out of the states now, go play in Europe, as should Freddy Adu and the guy that is in Dallas (Eddie Johnson?) if this does not happen soon, then your forward progress (which has been a lot and and at an extremely fast pace) will stall and you will never be better than what you are right now (which would screw my prediction that US will win the world cup in South Africa).

Now Mexico is steadily improving, the only thing they need is a reliable striker, and the ability to not choke in the big games (which they have so consistently done throughout their history) I think it is a great thing that they are accepting naturalized players, which will helpt the game to get better, and that they are so willing to participate in all these club championships... This is going to be a good world cup for MExico....

US got it tough though, I dont know if they can get Czech republic, and Ghana is going to be a darn tough one to get through.

Prime Time
12-12-2005, 11:20 AM
Really? now I am just as much of a fan of both teams (kind of weird I know, but my dad is american so I can't really leave that aside). But I really don't see how you can say that it is clear that the US is better than Mexico in anyway.

We have divided wins depending on who is the home team when playing the game between us. Both teams where head to head in the Concacaf seeding sistem, and MExico ended up first, plus they held for a longer time without being beat by anyone, and the only team that beat them was the US in America (so again it was 1-1 per country). Now US lost 3-0 to Costa Rica. So that means a worst seeding in the Concacaf tournament.

US won the Gold Cup, true, but Mexico won the one before that. And ended up fourth place (only under brazil, argentina and Germany, beating Brazil in the process) in the confederations Cup. They won the under 17 world championship. They clasified to the second round of the 2001 American Cup...

So, how is the US clearly above Mexico right now? I agree that the playing field is at the same time, and that in any given sunday if both teams play each other, we have no idea which one of them would win... But stat wise (which is what defines which team is head of group) Mexico has more to speak of, in the same period of time...

And that is not even going into club games, in which Femexfut completely blows MLS out of the water. I mean just now Pumas of UNAM is playing in the finals of the continent tournament. After reaching semifinals twice, and the finals in another time. So... These are the stats that count, not the fact that USoccer is so much improved.

Now if you want to know my opinion, US has to stop being so nationalistic, Donovan should get out of the states now, go play in Europe, as should Freddy Adu and the guy that is in Dallas (Eddie Johnson?) if this does not happen soon, then your forward progress (which has been a lot and and at an extremely fast pace) will stall and you will never be better than what you are right now (which would screw my prediction that US will win the world cup in South Africa).

Now Mexico is steadily improving, the only thing they need is a reliable striker, and the ability to not choke in the big games (which they have so consistently done throughout their history) I think it is a great thing that they are accepting naturalized players, which will helpt the game to get better, and that they are so willing to participate in all these club championships... This is going to be a good world cup for MExico....

US got it tough though, I dont know if they can get Czech republic, and Ghana is going to be a darn tough one to get through.

Mexico has had reliable strikers for years now. They are missing Midfield. They don't have the BIG playmaker type guy in their Midfield like other teams do. France has Zidane. Argentina has Aimar/Riquelme. Brazil has Ronaldinho. USA has Reyna. Mexico doesn't have someone like that...they need one badly If they want to go far.

Pink_Dove
12-12-2005, 01:42 PM
Really? now I am just as much of a fan of both teams (kind of weird I know, but my dad is american so I can't really leave that aside). But I really don't see how you can say that it is clear that the US is better than Mexico in anyway.

We have divided wins depending on who is the home team when playing the game between us. Both teams where head to head in the Concacaf seeding sistem, and MExico ended up first, plus they held for a longer time without being beat by anyone, and the only team that beat them was the US in America (so again it was 1-1 per country). Now US lost 3-0 to Costa Rica. So that means a worst seeding in the Concacaf tournament.

US won the Gold Cup, true, but Mexico won the one before that. And ended up fourth place (only under brazil, argentina and Germany, beating Brazil in the process) in the confederations Cup. They won the under 17 world championship. They clasified to the second round of the 2001 American Cup...

So, how is the US clearly above Mexico right now? I agree that the playing field is at the same time, and that in any given sunday if both teams play each other, we have no idea which one of them would win... But stat wise (which is what defines which team is head of group) Mexico has more to speak of, in the same period of time...

And that is not even going into club games, in which Femexfut completely blows MLS out of the water. I mean just now Pumas of UNAM is playing in the finals of the continent tournament. After reaching semifinals twice, and the finals in another time. So... These are the stats that count, not the fact that USoccer is so much improved.

Now if you want to know my opinion, US has to stop being so nationalistic, Donovan should get out of the states now, go play in Europe, as should Freddy Adu and the guy that is in Dallas (Eddie Johnson?) if this does not happen soon, then your forward progress (which has been a lot and and at an extremely fast pace) will stall and you will never be better than what you are right now (which would screw my prediction that US will win the world cup in South Africa).

Now Mexico is steadily improving, the only thing they need is a reliable striker, and the ability to not choke in the big games (which they have so consistently done throughout their history) I think it is a great thing that they are accepting naturalized players, which will helpt the game to get better, and that they are so willing to participate in all these club championships... This is going to be a good world cup for MExico....

US got it tough though, I dont know if they can get Czech republic, and Ghana is going to be a darn tough one to get through.


A lot of that has to do with Mexico playing it's home games at the Azteca.

And I disagree with the US being nationalistic. Players like Donovan have gone overseas and apart from Beasley with PSV, they've flunked. Donovan was glued to the bench in Leverkusen, while he's doing circles around defenders in the MLS. In Donovan's case, I disagree with the decision to come back, because he's not going to learn anything in the MLS. On the other hand, he's the biggest star and lives comfortably with his girl seaside.
But for young players like Adu and Johnson, I'd stay in the U.S until I'm ready to go to Europe and do well there. I don't think they've developped to the point where they could warrant first team action on a quality team.
Heck Adu struggled with playing time in the MLS.

Prime Time
12-12-2005, 01:48 PM
Beasley, Hejduk, Donovan, Howard, Friedel, Keller, O'Brien, Reyna are players who have played or play in Europe. That is just naming a few....

Quelonio
12-12-2005, 10:32 PM
Mexico has had reliable strikers for years now. They are missing Midfield. They don't have the BIG playmaker type guy in their Midfield like other teams do. France has Zidane. Argentina has Aimar/Riquelme. Brazil has Ronaldinho. USA has Reyna. Mexico doesn't have someone like that...they need one badly If they want to go far.
The only reliable striker we have is Borgetti, and we are not about to call him in any way that reliable. Though he did have a good stretch of games that led to him going to Bolton. There is no one that could play with him though... Kikín Fonseca has a lot of heart but he is very limited... I hope that LaVolpe calls Franco.

And the fact tha Mexico wins in Azteca has nothing to do with anything, taking advantage of home field advantage is something that every team should do. The truth is that the rankings are stupid, but I think a case could be done for both of them to be where they where.

About the US star players leaving, I think they should, I think that everyone should leave (and i come from a country that never lets players leave) it is the only way to move from really good, to elite.

finsmx
12-12-2005, 11:56 PM
wow i never realized there was soccer talk in here :eek:

For the ones that say that Mexico shouldn't be group leader, well you're just wrong, this years's group leaders were determined by performances on the last couple of world cups and the position that FIFA gives to every team, and Mexico was the 7th best i believe.

Quelonio man, Borgetti is finished, thank god Franco will be going to the world cup (even thought i hate him cause he plays for Monterrey) and i don't trust Kikin at all.

Now talking about the groups, the US better be careful, Italy is a tough team they will be going to the next phase, wich will leave the US, Ghana and the Czech Republic fighting for the other spot, now don't underestimate Ghana cause they have been playing great soccer for a couple of year now, and the Czech Republic is a very consistent team, be careful!

Now Mexico, i bellieve they are in the same situation, Portugal are a lock for the next round, and they will be fighting with 2 really unknown teams (Iran and Angola) but i have faith that we will advance to the next round at least :D

It's gonna be a great world cup, good luck to the US i hope they get to the next round and maybe there could be a rematch from the last world cup, we want revenge :evil: .

wazzy
12-13-2005, 12:01 AM
Ukraine? :lol: Bad odds


Whoa whos insulting Ukraine! If Ukraine can beat Spain and they will advance to slap whoever takes second in Frances division but if they take second in there division France will smash Ukraine off the map IMO

wpgfishfan
12-13-2005, 01:08 AM
Whoa whos insulting Ukraine! If Ukraine can beat Spain and they will advance to slap whoever takes second in Frances division but if they take second in there division France will smash Ukraine off the map IMO

You are selling your team short. I would take your boys in a game over France today. Were you not the first European team (besides Germany) to qualify for the World Cup??

Prime Time
12-13-2005, 01:19 PM
The only reliable striker we have is Borgetti, and we are not about to call him in any way that reliable. Though he did have a good stretch of games that led to him going to Bolton. There is no one that could play with him though... Kikín Fonseca has a lot of heart but he is very limited... I hope that LaVolpe calls Franco.

And the fact tha Mexico wins in Azteca has nothing to do with anything, taking advantage of home field advantage is something that every team should do. The truth is that the rankings are stupid, but I think a case could be done for both of them to be where they where.

About the US star players leaving, I think they should, I think that everyone should leave (and i come from a country that never lets players leave) it is the only way to move from really good, to elite.

Exactly. Mexico's best player is Rafa Marquez and he is on Barcelona...

Roman529
12-14-2005, 12:29 AM
GO AZZURRI!!!!! (Lived in Verona, Italy from 1971-1975) :)