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Nicky Napoleon
12-10-2005, 11:09 AM
I have been looking at a few players and am wondering whether they (1) are a fit for the defense we are trying to get to and (2) where they are likely to be drafted.

1. Bernard Pollard(Purdue)- I know he is a liability in coverage right now, but man does he bring the lumber and at 6'2 225 has great size.

2. Broderick Bunkley(FSU)- As an FSU fan this is kind of a homer pick, but he seems pretty quick but would be undersized to play DT in a 3-4. Is he quick enough to play the 3-4 end?

3. Kyle Williams(LSU)- Hes an LSU guy and a familiar to Saban, he seems to be in the same boat as Bunkley in that hes only 295 lbs.

4. Allen Zemaitis(Penn State)- I havent seen him play, but in looking at the list of available CB's his size stands out at 6'2 205.

5. Spencer Havner(UCLA)- Great size at 6'3 240lbs and in what limited time I have gotten to watch him play hes been pretty good.

6. Pierre Woods(Michigan)- I have seen him graded out as both a DE and a LB. Can he play the LB position or should he stick to being a hand down player.

7. Winston Justice(USC)- He has to be a first round pick, but I just wondered where he grades out amoung the other LT's in the draft.

8. Andrew Whitworth(LSU)- Pretty much the same question as Justice.

9. Pat Watkins(FSU)- Again a homer pick but the guy is 6'5 and plays FS!

10. Laron Landry(LSU)- He is probably not going to be available to us outside of the first round but, about where do you see his value.

Nicky Napoleon
12-10-2005, 11:52 AM
bump

leinart06
12-10-2005, 11:58 AM
i gave you a reply because it looks like you wrote a lot:D

Nicky Napoleon
12-10-2005, 12:17 PM
i gave you a reply because it looks like you wrote a lot:D

Thanks.....I think :lol:

Dolfan1000
12-10-2005, 12:19 PM
LaRon Landry would be awesome if we could trade down... If not, Michael Huff is quickly becoming my favorite player in this draft.

Boomer
12-10-2005, 04:08 PM
Give me a little while and I'll answer this dude. Just hectic at the moment.

SackArtist
12-10-2005, 04:32 PM
LaRon Landry would be awesome if we could trade down... If not, Michael Huff is quickly becoming my favorite player in this draft.

Isn't Laron Landry the guy that missed his assignment on that bowl game last year when Iowa threw a game winning 50-yard TD pass?

finz99
12-10-2005, 04:49 PM
Isn't Laron Landry the guy that missed his assignment on that bowl game last year when Iowa threw a game winning 50-yard TD pass?

Hm..Thats a good question.

I'll tell you who I want the most if we were going to go the safety route:

Ko Simpson

Although there probably is no chance of him leaving. Ko is a beast, one of the next great safeties to come out. He's big, a ball hawk, can lay the lumber, he easily has the best ball skills of anyone that came out in a while. Even as a sophomore, if he were to come out (which he can) he would be a top 15 pick.

Nicky Napoleon
12-10-2005, 11:49 PM
Give me a little while and I'll answer this dude. Just hectic at the moment.

Hey no hurry Boomer, I only hit you with 10 guys at once. I just like certain things about each player and you get to see more games than I do so I wanted to get another opinion.

Dolfan4life34
12-11-2005, 12:51 AM
Hm..Thats a good question.

I'll tell you who I want the most if we were going to go the safety route:

Ko Simpson

Although there probably is no chance of him leaving. Ko is a beast, one of the next great safeties to come out. He's big, a ball hawk, can lay the lumber, he easily has the best ball skills of anyone that came out in a while. Even as a sophomore, if he were to come out (which he can) he would be a top 15 pick.

wat team is he on

Boomer
12-11-2005, 03:47 AM
Simpson plays for South Carolina

Awsi Dooger
12-11-2005, 06:12 AM
Let me just mention that Winston Justice has been a RT his entire career at USC, not a LT. The LT right now is Sam Baker. It's a phenomenal OL.

Justice could probably play LT. He's an excellent athlete who has trained as a boxer. He's only a junior but I expect Justice to turn pro. He even flirted with the idea last season. But his stock would have been low since he was suspended from school for the entire year after pulling a replica gun on a student. He missed the entire 2004 season after starting from the second game of his freshman year in 2002.

Buddwalk
12-11-2005, 12:43 PM
wat team is he on

you need to edit your sig its like 140k when the limit is 40k ;)

dodge
12-31-2005, 10:57 AM
bump. would like to see boomer and kb21's thoughts also.

KB21
12-31-2005, 03:18 PM
I have been looking at a few players and am wondering whether they (1) are a fit for the defense we are trying to get to and (2) where they are likely to be drafted.

1. Bernard Pollard(Purdue)- I know he is a liability in coverage right now, but man does he bring the lumber and at 6'2 225 has great size.

2. Broderick Bunkley(FSU)- As an FSU fan this is kind of a homer pick, but he seems pretty quick but would be undersized to play DT in a 3-4. Is he quick enough to play the 3-4 end?

3. Kyle Williams(LSU)- Hes an LSU guy and a familiar to Saban, he seems to be in the same boat as Bunkley in that hes only 295 lbs.

4. Allen Zemaitis(Penn State)- I havent seen him play, but in looking at the list of available CB's his size stands out at 6'2 205.

5. Spencer Havner(UCLA)- Great size at 6'3 240lbs and in what limited time I have gotten to watch him play hes been pretty good.

6. Pierre Woods(Michigan)- I have seen him graded out as both a DE and a LB. Can he play the LB position or should he stick to being a hand down player.

7. Winston Justice(USC)- He has to be a first round pick, but I just wondered where he grades out amoung the other LT's in the draft.

8. Andrew Whitworth(LSU)- Pretty much the same question as Justice.

9. Pat Watkins(FSU)- Again a homer pick but the guy is 6'5 and plays FS!

10. Laron Landry(LSU)- He is probably not going to be available to us outside of the first round but, about where do you see his value.


Pollard doesn't cover well enough to play in Saban's defense. He may grow into a linebacker at the next level.

Bunkley is a good prospect, but I don't think he fits what Miami wants to do. He's a three technique player, and Miami's defensive tackles play the one technique and the five technique.

Kyle Williams is a bit different. He's not your prototypical one technique defenisve tackle, but that's the position he has played in Nick Saban's defense. He's got a very strong lower body.

Alan Zematis is an interesting story. He had a car accident early in his career and fractured his frontal bone. He's got great size and has done a good job in coverage and in run support.

Spencer Havner has great size, but he's been very injury prone during his career.

Pierre Woods is an underachiever and a tweener. He could be an open end type of player.

Winston Justice is a right tackle, but he's a right tackle with good athleticism.

Andrew Whitworth plays left tackle but projects to right tackle in the NFL.

Pat Watkins is a good sized safety who will go in the third round area.

LaRon Landry is a Darren Sharper type that is excellent in coverage and in run support. He is a little light, but he's got great range and is an excellent tackler.

ckparrothead
12-31-2005, 03:35 PM
Bunkley is a good prospect, but I don't think he fits what Miami wants to do. He's a three technique player, and Miami's defensive tackles play the one technique and the five technique.

Respectfully disagree there. Vonnie Holliday plays 3-tech all the time.

saves
12-31-2005, 03:41 PM
Respectfully disagree there. Vonnie Holliday plays 3-tech all the time.

Yea, I thought Carter played the 5 at the DE position.

ckparrothead
12-31-2005, 03:51 PM
Yea, I thought Carter played the 5 at the DE position.

He does, but Vonnie Holliday doesn't play the exact same position as Carter except just on the other side of Traylor...Holliday plays more inside than Carter...the 3 instead of 5...or at least, thats the impression I was under.

saves
12-31-2005, 03:54 PM
He does, but Vonnie Holliday doesn't play the exact same position as Carter except just on the other side of Traylor...Holliday plays more inside than Carter...the 3 instead of 5...or at least, thats the impression I was under.

I was agreeing with you. I remember from CVASS's thread how our line is somewhat unbalanced so we show different fronts that many would expect.

KB21
12-31-2005, 04:51 PM
Yea, I thought Carter played the 5 at the DE position.

Vonnie plays the 5 technique on the other side.

The only difference in Miami's 4-3 look and their 3-4 look is that Jason Taylor will either be down in a stance or dropping back off the line. Every once in a while, you may see Vonnie in the 3 and shifting to the 5, but I believe he plays the 5 predominately.

ckparrothead
12-31-2005, 05:39 PM
Vonnie plays the 5 technique on the other side.

The only difference in Miami's 4-3 look and their 3-4 look is that Jason Taylor will either be down in a stance or dropping back off the line. Every once in a while, you may see Vonnie in the 3 and shifting to the 5, but I believe he plays the 5 predominately.

Just so we're talking apples to apples, which gap do you consider to be the 5 gap? Because I've DEFINITELY seen different diagrams label them differently

When I say 3 technique, I mean Vonnie lines up on the outside shoulder of the guard. To me, 0 technique is lining up right on the center's face perfectly, a 1 technique is lining up between the center and guard, a 2 technique is lining up directly over the guard, a 3 technique is between the guard and tackle, 4 technique is directly over the tackle, a 5 technique is on the outside shoulder of the tackle, and Jason Taylor can be considered a 7 technique guy.