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Buddwalk
12-20-2005, 03:11 AM
Buddwalks December Mock Draft 3

1. San Francisco 49ers (f/HOU) - Reggie Bush RB USC
2. Houston Texans (f/SF) - D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT Virginia
3. New York Jets - Matt Leinart QB USC
4. New Orleans Saints - AJ Hawk LB Ohio State
5. Green Bay Packers - DeAngelo Williams RB Memphis
6. Arizona Cardinals - Vince Young QB Texas
7. Buffalo Bills - Haloti Ngata DT Oregon
8. Tennessee Titans - Mario Williams DE NC State
9. Detroit Lions - Michael Huff S Texas
10. Oakland Raiders - Marcedes Lewis TE UCLA
11. St Louis Rams - Jimmy Williams CB Virginia Tech
12. Cleveland Browns - Mathias Kiwanaku DE Boston College
13. Baltimore Ravens - Winston Justice OT USC
14. Philadelphia Eagles - Claude Wroten DT LSU
15. Miami Dolphins - Chad Greenway LB Iowa
16. San Diego Chargers - Santonio Holmes WR Ohio State
17. Atlanta Falcons - Eric Winston OT Miami
18. Kansas City Chiefs - LaRon Landry S LSU
19. Dallas Cowboys - Brodrick Bunkley DT FSU
20. Denver Broncos (f/WAS) - Vernon Davis TE Maryland
21. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - DeMeco Ryans LB Alabama
22. New England Patriots - Darnell Bing S USC
23. Pittsburgh Steelers - LenDale White RB USC
24. San Diego Steelers - Marcus McNeill OT Auburn
25. Carolina Panthers - Rodrique Wright DT Texas
26. Chicago Bears - Leonard Pope TE Georgia
27. Jacksonville Jaguars - Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota
28. New York Giants - Jonathan Scott OT Texas
29. Cincinatti Bengals - Gabe Watson DT Michigan
30. Denver Broncos - Derek Hagan WR Arizona State
31. Seattle Seahawks - Tamba Hali DE Penn State
32. Indianapolis Colts - Tye Hill CB Clemson

*Houston Trades #1 overall to San Francisco for #2 overall, 3rd round pick, and 2007 1st round pick.
*Minnesota Trades there #16 overall pick to San Diego Chargers for rights to Philip Rivers
*Washington trades there 1st round pick to the broncos for previous deal

Motion
12-20-2005, 08:14 AM
Wow, thats interesting. SF giving up that much when they could be #1 overall anyway? hmmmm.....

And no Jay Cutler? Not gonna happen.

kastofsna120
12-20-2005, 12:09 PM
maroney will go ahead of deangelo williams

Philter25
12-20-2005, 12:20 PM
Only comment would be on the trade....... interesting.

At least you have what would seem to be the correct compensation for the trade...... thats just a buttload for SF to give up to move up one spot. Especially if they think no one else is going to trade up to #1 and Houston isnt going to take Bush.

We shall see how it plays out.

NJFINSFAN1
12-20-2005, 12:54 PM
I see Houston beating the niners. Plus I see the Jets taking Cutler with there 2nd round pick! And D Williams with the first.

Motion
12-20-2005, 01:07 PM
I see Houston beating the niners. Plus I see the Jets taking Cutler with there 2nd round pick! And D Williams with the first.

You guys need to get it through your heads, Cutler WILL be a 1st round pick!!!!

NJFINSFAN1
12-20-2005, 04:15 PM
You guys need to get it through your heads, Cutler WILL be a 1st round pick!!!!

maybe, maybe early 2nd, depends on his workouts.

Motion
12-20-2005, 04:17 PM
maybe, maybe early 2nd, depends on his workouts.

Unless he shows up stoned or drunk, which I doubt, he'll show the goods and everyone will be talking about him instead of Leinart as the top QB.

Buddwalk
12-20-2005, 04:42 PM
Unless he shows up stoned or drunk, which I doubt, he'll show the goods and everyone will be talking about him instead of Leinart as the top QB.


your really strong on your opinions which is cool bro but cutler as of right now is a 2nd round pick sorry...he needs to have a good senior bowl and combine and he could be a top 20 pick ;)

Motion
12-20-2005, 05:22 PM
your really strong on your opinions which is cool bro but cutler as of right now is a 2nd round pick sorry...he needs to have a good senior bowl and combine and he could be a top 20 pick ;)

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I respect that. But when Cutler makes a "Rivers-like" surge up the draft boards remember where you heard it first. ;) :D


On a side note, I really hope he doesn't so he's available for the Fins but I can really see it happening.

saves
12-20-2005, 05:46 PM
maroney will go ahead of deangelo williams


I don't think so, I've seen them both play over the past two years and I love Maroney and the way he runs but Deangelo Williams is an LT clone almost.

RunningBackGuru
12-20-2005, 09:42 PM
Interesting mock.


Wow, thats interesting. SF giving up that much when they could be #1 overall anyway? hmmmm.....

And no Jay Cutler? Not gonna happen.

In most mock drafts, he is not even 1st round.

AirFishOne
12-20-2005, 09:53 PM
not being a homer, i just want an opinion

Where will Dusty Dvoracek fall in the draft?

Personaly I would like him to be in a Phinz uniform if he is still available ;)

Buddwalk
12-20-2005, 11:15 PM
not being a homer, i just want an opinion

Where will Dusty Dvoracek fall in the draft?

Personaly I would like him to be in a Phinz uniform if he is still available ;)

2nd-4th round...all depends on his combine, guy comes out haves a huge combine could be a high 1st round pick im actually a big fan too ;)

SMadison29
12-21-2005, 12:49 AM
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I respect that. But when Cutler makes a "Rivers-like" surge up the draft boards remember where you heard it first.

He's already in the top 20 of ESPN's two draft gurus.

kastofsna120
12-21-2005, 02:00 AM
i don't think cutler is a secret anymore. actually, he never really was, as i remember most people had him as the #2 or #3 senior QB prospect before the season

NJFINSFAN1
12-21-2005, 09:56 AM
i don't think cutler is a secret anymore. actually, he never really was, as i remember most people had him as the #2 or #3 senior QB prospect before the season

Just a gut feeling here, but if Omar Jacobs comes out, he will pass Cutler after the Combines. Not saying its right, but he will post better numbers, and you know the scouts love numbers.

Motion
12-21-2005, 12:18 PM
Just a gut feeling here, but if Omar Jacobs comes out, he will pass Cutler after the Combines. Not saying its right, but he will post better numbers, and you know the scouts love numbers.

No way, What "numbers" are you referring to?

Motion
12-21-2005, 12:19 PM
Interesting mock.



In most mock drafts, he is not even 1st round.

How accurate do you think "most mocks" are with 2 weeks left in the regular season and before the combine and senior bowl?

NJFINSFAN1
12-21-2005, 12:41 PM
No way, What "numbers" are you referring to?

Wokouts, 40 yard dash, passing drills etc...

Its just a gut feeling, not saying its fact.

Motion
12-21-2005, 12:45 PM
Wokouts, 40 yard dash, passing drills etc...

Its just a gut feeling, not saying its fact.

Its cool, I just don't see that happening at all. Cutler has the edge over him in so many areas.

Arm strength
Mechanics
footwork
experience
accuracy
size

NJFINSFAN1
12-21-2005, 12:54 PM
Its cool, I just don't see that happening at all. Cutler has the edge over him in so many areas.

Arm strength
Mechanics
footwork
experience
accuracy
size

Jacobs is extremely accurate, and has a cannon. His mechanics are a mess. But if he works out with a QB coach (ALA A Smith last year), and corrects those mechanics, he could shoot up fast.

kastofsna120
12-21-2005, 01:09 PM
smith still hasn't corrected his mechanics, so i doubt that had anything to do with his leap in the draft. he still cocks and shoots. still, better than what jacobs does

the only way i see jacobs jumping into the first is if a) vince yougn doesn't declare and b) cutler has a horrible senior bowl/combines

@@@
12-21-2005, 01:19 PM
Unless he shows up stoned or drunk, which I doubt, he'll show the goods and everyone will be talking about him instead of Leinart as the top QB. While i agree with you that cutler goes in round 1, the only person who showed up drunk or stoned would be a GM who considered taking Cutler of Leinart!

saves
12-21-2005, 01:22 PM
Its cool, I just don't see that happening at all. Cutler has the edge over him in so many areas.

Arm strength
Mechanics
footwork
experience
accuracy
size

Jacobs has a good arm
pretty good footwork actually when he is not under pressure, and i hear cutlers isn't to great
2 starting years of experience and a 3rd year on a winning team
better accuracy than cutler, 41TD's-4INT's, Cutlers accuracy is also suspect
Jacobs is 6'5? How much bigger do you want


I don't think he will leap him, but Jacobs might be the physically superior or at least comprable QB.

Motion
12-21-2005, 01:41 PM
Jacobs has a good arm
pretty good footwork actually when he is not under pressure, and i hear cutlers isn't to great
2 starting years of experience and a 3rd year on a winning team
better accuracy than cutler, 41TD's-4INT's, Cutlers accuracy is also suspect
Jacobs is 6'5? How much bigger do you want


I don't think he will leap him, but Jacobs might be the physically superior or at least comprable QB.

I'm not trying to bash Jacobs by any means, I'm just saying Cutler is a superior prospect. Jacobs does have an arm but not as strong as Cutler's. Cutler is a 4 year starter at Vandy. Accuracy is debatable. By size I meant total package, as in bulk, the games I've seen of Jacobs he looks fragile out there, like a big hit could snap him in half.

Motion
12-21-2005, 01:43 PM
While i agree with you that cutler goes in round 1, the only person who showed up drunk or stoned would be a GM who considered taking Cutler of Leinart!

I'm not saying its gonna happen, exaggerating just a bit, but it could.

dm416
12-21-2005, 02:00 PM
We won't take a LB in the first round. I think we take Cutler if he's still there

Garminator
12-21-2005, 02:16 PM
We won't take a LB in the first round. I think we take Cutler if he's still there

I would hope so...I think that Cutler would be a great 1st round p/u for the fins....and I def think he'll go in the 1st round..

AirFishOne
12-21-2005, 02:33 PM
2nd-4th round...all depends on his combine, guy comes out haves a huge combine could be a high 1st round pick im actually a big fan too ;)

oh yea, I think he will have a good combine, he is a hard worker, and if he is available i would want him :)

Motion
12-21-2005, 02:38 PM
oh yea, I think he will have a good combine, he is a hard worker, and if he is available i would want him :)

Of course you would :tongue:

Buddwalk
12-21-2005, 04:10 PM
oh yea, I think he will have a good combine, he is a hard worker, and if he is available i would want him :)

IMO I think hes freak on the field hes what chris hovan could of been...i'd love to nab him in the 3rd ;)

Speedrush man not gonna bash ya at all but heres the facts on jay cutler bro

Jays got good size at 6''4 and 225 lbs
Nice strong arm [not sure if its stronger then jacobs though man]
Very nice release but needs to work on his accuracy
Not a scrambler but can avoid taking a big hit...hes not bledsoe slow
Should have an impressive combine and senior bowl but your hyping the kid up way more then he should be man...dont get me wrong i'd love to get the kid but hes not gonna be a top 10 pick...you can quote that if you must I'd say top 20 with an impressive combine and senior bowl...but right now hes a 2nd round pick.

Also pointing something out i think Darrel Hackney is a better qb then both jay and omar ;)

Just my opinion though

Motion
12-21-2005, 04:12 PM
IMO I think hes freak on the field hes what chris hovan could of been...i'd love to nab him in the 3rd ;)

Speedrush man not gonna bash ya at all but heres the facts on jay cutler bro

Jays got good size at 6''4 and 225 lbs
Nice strong arm [not sure if its stronger then jacobs though man]
Very nice release but needs to work on his accuracy
Not a scrambler but can avoid taking a big hit...hes not bledsoe slow
Should have an impressive combine and senior bowl but your hyping the kid up way more then he should be man...dont get me wrong i'd love to get the kid but hes not gonna be a top 10 pick...you can quote that if you must I'd say top 20 with an impressive combine and senior bowl...but right now hes a 2nd round pick.

Also pointing something out i think Darrel Hackney is a better qb then both jay and omar ;)

Just my opinion though

I see one "fact" in there, the rest is your opinion, which your entitled too, as is everyone. We'll find out come April.

kastofsna120
12-21-2005, 04:26 PM
lol, cutler isn't "bledsoe slow." neither is reggie bush. or deion sanders

cutler was recruited by everyone to play SAFETY and was an option QB his first 2 years at vanderbilt. he's not slow at ALL

Buddwalk
12-21-2005, 04:29 PM
lol, cutler isn't "bledsoe slow." neither is reggie bush. or deion sanders

cutler was recruited by everyone to play SAFETY and was an option QB his first 2 years at vanderbilt. he's not slow at ALL

funny from what i've heard he runs around a 4.8 40 thats a pretty slow safety to me...not sure though :lol:

Motion
12-21-2005, 04:53 PM
funny from what i've heard he runs around a 4.8 40 thats a pretty slow safety to me...not sure though :lol:

Again no facts. What have you "heard" Jacobs runs the 40 in?

Buddwalk
12-21-2005, 04:59 PM
Again no facts. What have you "heard" Jacobs runs the 40 in?

4.9

Philter25
12-22-2005, 02:28 PM
Anyone see the Kiper inside article?


Cutler might be a top 12 pick. ;)

Ive been with Speedrush99 on this one.........

Motion
12-22-2005, 02:32 PM
Anyone see the Kiper inside article?


Cutler might be a top 12 pick. ;)

Ive been with Speedrush99 on this one.........

Yeah, feels good to be possibly right, especially when so many people told me I was crazy to think he would go first round at all let alone top 15, but sucks that we may not have a shot at him. :mad:

Buddwalk
12-22-2005, 03:54 PM
just a lil bit of insight Aaron Rodgers was like #3 on kipers board last year but fell to the mid 20's...kiper can be wrong ok ;)

fins5423
12-23-2005, 01:15 AM
Yeah Cutler is deffintly a 1st rounder and hes nothing like Philip Rivers, Cutler actually has mobility and a strong arm. Cutler......a good pick for Miami

Buddwalk
12-23-2005, 09:00 AM
Yeah Cutler is deffintly a 1st rounder and hes nothing like Philip Rivers, Cutler actually has mobility and a strong arm. Cutler......a good pick for Miami


actually your wrong rivers is actually pretty mobile and actually does have a strong arm comparing cutler to rivers isnt adequate...compare cutler to losman ;)

Motion
12-23-2005, 09:21 AM
actually your wrong rivers is actually pretty mobile and actually does have a strong arm comparing cutler to rivers isnt adequate...compare cutler to losman ;)

Thats a first. How many times have you seen Cutler play?

kastofsna120
12-23-2005, 10:03 AM
rivers is mobile? that'll be the only time you'll hear someone say that

Buddwalk
12-23-2005, 08:12 PM
rivers is mobile? that'll be the only time you'll hear someone say that

Not really mobile but he can escape a hit ;)

heres boomers right up on him from a couple years ago



3. Philip Rivers –North Carolina State
6-5 | 224 | 12.5% | 4.95

http://www.finheaven.com/seasonal/qb/qb2/rivers02.jpgLet the debate begin. One of the most productive and exciting passers over the past four years in college football gets his chance to prove whether greatness at the college level equates similarly in the pros. Dominant in the Atlantic Coast Conference since he stepped in as a true freshman, Rivers has made a dramatic rise up many draft boards with a stunning senior season in Raleigh. He proved at the Senior Bowl practices that he could live with the upper echelon, although a number of teams have him rated as a 2nd round pick because of his lack of fundamentals. A very unorthodox shoulder style delivery means that the ball often comes out from different angles, but it comes out in a hurry. A real snap off release. His footwork at times is horrible, as he throws off balance, or off the back foot, or even at times with a sort of jump shot motion. The inconsistency with the footwork, in NFL pockets, surrounded by complex blitz packages would worry me. Especially when today’s corners are so adept at jumping routes. Also, some of his passes tend to come out very flat. And you have to have a worry about whether he gets balls tipped or knocked away. Rivers also has some ball management concerns when he tries to move the pocket. More savvy DE’s might force more than your average number of fumbles.

But he’s accurate. Especially underneath, as he possesses excellent field vision. And his release allows him to make throws that other’s couldn’t or wouldn’t make. He also makes his mind up in a hurry. You can’t out-think him. Rivers doesn’t have the great deep arm – a number of scouts who evaluated him in Mobile for the Senior Bowl described his downfield accuracy as ‘somewhat of an adventure’. He’s mobile enough, but will never beat you with speed, although he can slide well in the pocket to buy time. Philip is supremely battle tested, has top instincts, an outstanding football brain and leadership abilities, a calm nature in the huddle and above all, he’s a winner. Personally, I STILL don’t know whether he’s a first round star or a 3rd round gamble. But it seems that it won’t be long till he’s a Pittsburgh Steeler. Apparently there have been a number of discussions between Coach Cowher and Rivers. And I would be shocked if he does not come off the board at 11.

fins5423
12-24-2005, 12:50 AM
actually your wrong rivers is actually pretty mobile and actually does have a strong arm comparing cutler to rivers isnt adequate...compare cutler to losman ;)


you obviously have no clue what your talking about...... Rivers doesnt have no way near the arm strength as Jay Cutler does, scouts compare Cutler to BRETT FARVE! Rivers has absolutly no mobility he ran the 40 yard dash in like 5.60 which isnt all that impressive. Cutler has the edge in his arm strength and in his mobility. Rivers isnt worth it. he wont come cheap either.

saves
12-24-2005, 02:52 AM
Again no facts. What have you "heard" Jacobs runs the 40 in?

I don't know anything about what Cutler runs, but Jacobs is about a 4.7 guy. Hes got some pretty good wheels he just needs to figure out to use them

Buddwalk
12-24-2005, 11:06 AM
you obviously have no clue what your talking about...... Rivers doesnt have no way near the arm strength as Jay Cutler does, scouts compare Cutler to BRETT FARVE! Rivers has absolutly no mobility he ran the 40 yard dash in like 5.60 which isnt all that impressive. Cutler has the edge in his arm strength and in his mobility. Rivers isnt worth it. he wont come cheap either.

:lol: :lol: :lol:


Believe me no one in there right mind would compare cutlers arm to brett favre thats just stupid no ones got the arm of favre. Also Cutler runs about a 4.8 and rivers ran a 4.95 not that much of a difference

Motion
12-24-2005, 03:54 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol:


Believe me no one in there right mind would compare cutlers arm to brett favre thats just stupid no ones got the arm of favre. Also Cutler runs about a 4.8 and rivers ran a 4.95 not that much of a difference

You clearly out of the loop.

Buddwalk
12-25-2005, 12:32 AM
You clearly out of the loop.

explain homer

Nappy Roots
12-25-2005, 12:56 AM
Culter is much more mobile but

Rivers pocket presence>>>>>Cutlers

Pink_Dove
12-25-2005, 12:30 PM
Happy to see you finally agree with me about Lendale White declaring for the draft :)

Motion
12-25-2005, 02:22 PM
explain homer

As in your statment was COMPLETELY false! Many scouts have compared Cutler to Favre, if your gonna put the guy down at least get your facts straight. Especially with the mobility issue, the guy ran an option offense 3 outta 4 years at Vandy, he's plenty mobile, he doesn't have to be a trackstar.

Oboy
12-25-2005, 03:23 PM
Guys, don't get so worked up. IN DECEMBER, a lot still has to happen before ANYONE gets drafted. After the combine/Senior Bowl and regular BOWL games (for some players) then we can have a better debate on where someone may or may not go in the draft.