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islanddolphin
12-28-2005, 10:15 PM
I have never been a fan of reaching for a player just because you may need one. If a player that you need is there when you draft and they are deserving of that draft position, then by all means take him. However, for too long the Dolphins have reached for players just because they feel they need them. Jay Cutler is looking like that type of reach this year. Actually he may not even be around for Miami to draft when they do pick. With so many solid to possibly great quarterbacks in the 2007 draft Miami would be best suited to pick the best player available in the first three rounds and in the later rounds draft a quarterback for development. Why not build up the team with solid players, so when a young quarterback is moved into the position they are surrounded by a solid team ready to win. Like what Lewis did in Cincinatti. If Cutler is there in the second round well consider drafting him there, but why take him in the first round just because he is the second best quarterback in the draft. And he may not even be the second best. Build up the defense this year, improve the offensive line and skill position players and draft a developmental quarterback late. And if he doesnt pan out there is always the first round of the 2007 draft that should have at least three and maybe five quarterbacks there for the picking.

rafael
12-28-2005, 10:17 PM
I don't think Cutler would be a reach at 15.

Dr.Rad
12-28-2005, 10:22 PM
Cutler is rated higher than Young?

FinsNYanksFan13
12-28-2005, 10:23 PM
The Dolphins need to draft Vince Young!

rafael
12-28-2005, 10:25 PM
Cutler is rated higher than Young?

No, Young is expected to go anywhere from top 5 to top 10 if/when he declares.

FinsNYanksFan13
12-28-2005, 10:27 PM
The Dolphins would dominate teams on the ground if they draft Vince Young. Chris Chambers would have a field day. Teams would put 8 in the box trying to stop Young, Ricky, and Brown. I doubt we can afford them all but a brother can dream!

CashInFist
12-28-2005, 10:29 PM
The Dolphins need to draft Vince Young!

That would be great. I think it could happen too.

DonShula84
12-28-2005, 10:48 PM
:barf:
The Dolphins need to draft Vince Young!

houtz
12-28-2005, 10:51 PM
I thought I read the Titans were interested in Cutler. If this is true then it makes it more of a possibility that we would get Vince Young if he declares.

marinotoclayton
12-28-2005, 10:56 PM
I have never been a fan of reaching for a player just because you may need one. If a player that you need is there when you draft and they are deserving of that draft position, then by all means take him. However, for too long the Dolphins have reached for players just because they feel they need them. Jay Cutler is looking like that type of reach this year. Actually he may not even be around for Miami to draft when they do pick. With so many solid to possibly great quarterbacks in the 2007 draft Miami would be best suited to pick the best player available in the first three rounds and in the later rounds draft a quarterback for development. Why not build up the team with solid players, so when a young quarterback is moved into the position they are surrounded by a solid team ready to win. Like what Lewis did in Cincinatti. If Cutler is there in the second round well consider drafting him there, but why take him in the first round just because he is the second best quarterback in the draft. And he may not even be the second best. Build up the defense this year, improve the offensive line and skill position players and draft a developmental quarterback late. And if he doesnt pan out there is always the first round of the 2007 draft that should have at least three and maybe five quarterbacks there for the picking.

Well if we don't reach for a qb next year . Then when do you expect that we should? This is a position that has not really been addressed in quite a few years. And there are certainly guys out there that we can reach for. We just have to use the right bait to get them. Because do you really think that Gus is going to last another season. me personally I do not think he will. he is almost as fragile as I hate to say it Fiedler.

CaptainK
12-28-2005, 11:08 PM
Saban won't throw away a 1st Round pick on a QB unless the guy is a "guarantee" future star. He much rather use a 1st Round pick on a WR, CB or OL that could immediately and positively impact the 2006 team.

islanddolphin
12-28-2005, 11:11 PM
Well if we don't reach for a qb next year . Then when do you expect that we should? This is a position that has not really been addressed in quite a few years. And there are certainly guys out there that we can reach for. We just have to use the right bait to get them. Because do you really think that Gus is going to last another season. me personally I do not think he will. he is almost as fragile as I hate to say it Fiedler.


Akili Smith, Cade McNown, Boller - I can go on and on with first round quarterback reaches. Like I said the first round in 07 will have a number of top quarterbacks who will be better than Cutler. We can get another year out of Gus or maybe two more out of McNair.

Freeki_phin
12-28-2005, 11:11 PM
The Dolphins need to draft Vince Young!
Have you noticed where the Atlanta Falcons are heading recently? Not to the playoff for sure.:lol::lol:
We already have two running backs why get another, and I doubt Saban wants or is looking for that type of QB.

FinNasty
12-28-2005, 11:11 PM
I want a QB BAD!!!!

With that said... I do not in any way wanna reach for one. That doesnt do anything but screw your team for years to come...

Phinja
12-28-2005, 11:18 PM
If Cutler is worth our time, them Saban will grab him. He is uniquely qualified to judge talent in the SEC, is he not?

I think he, Muller, and maybe even Linehan will get together and discuss what they need in a rook QB. They will then draft accordingly.

Jimmy James
12-28-2005, 11:44 PM
I don't think Nick is the type to reach for anybody. He may evaluate players very differently than other coaches, particularly when they're SEC players. That doesn't equal reaching, though. Trading up for Carey because your freaked that the Patriots might is reaching. Picking Cutler at 15 because he is worth that and you believe he's the best talent available isn't reaching.

nopony
12-28-2005, 11:48 PM
I would certainly rather draft a project late than reach (not saying Cutler is a reach, btw) IF and only if we aquire through trade or FA a decent QB. I don't need a world-beater, don't need a pro-bowler. But at least an average quarterback. Gus ain't it.

Hades
12-28-2005, 11:51 PM
i dont think Saban will reach for one either. if he has the opportunity to get a QB that he knows would be good im sure he will get him though. but i wouldnt mind another year with gus, or a year with mcnair(i would rather have mcnair though), cus there are some good QBs comin in the 07 draft

Despacio
12-29-2005, 12:05 AM
At this point I have complete trust in the decision making on a QB from the combined minds of Saban, Mueller, and Linehan (as long as he does his decision making from the sideline ;) ).

If it's a bust of a pick or signing, then the trust will dwindle some, but at this point, after last years draft, Muellers QB picks over the year, and Linehans need for a strong armed QB, I don't even feel the need to argue, debate, or speculate on who should be in a Fin QB next year.

phinphan4life
12-29-2005, 12:19 AM
I want a QB BAD!!!!

With that said... I do not in any way wanna reach for one. That doesnt do anything but screw your team for years to come...

I totally agree with you on this Nasty. I don't want to flush our future down the toilet by the front office making a desperation move (AJ Feely).

dolphan8055
12-29-2005, 12:23 AM
Forget all the other Qb's pay Marino a boat load and bring him back LOL

wazzy
12-29-2005, 12:27 AM
I have all trust in Saban and his drafting abilities so if he thinks were not reaching on a QB then I agree with him!

PhinSoldia
12-29-2005, 12:33 AM
cutler isnt a reach...his stock is soaring....if it still soars he wont be available

earl the pearl
12-29-2005, 12:37 AM
:confused:
that's the bodybuilder named Jay Cutler...weird, yes

Shouright
12-29-2005, 12:54 AM
We already drafted a late-round QB for development.

Cleo Lemon -- 6th round.

FinNasty
12-29-2005, 01:02 AM
We already drafted a late-round QB for development.

Cleo Lemon -- 6th round.

good call... ;)

marinotoclayton
12-29-2005, 02:17 AM
Akili Smith, Cade McNown, Boller - I can go on and on with first round quarterback reaches. Like I said the first round in 07 will have a number of top quarterbacks who will be better than Cutler. We can get another year out of Gus or maybe two more out of McNair.

And I don't know whether you are counting or not but next year will be Sabans 2nd year. If we wait another year to draft a Qb. Saban will be on his third year. And who knows whether or not he will still be here to coach. And a Qb that we draft will probably need a good year in system before he gets good. Unless he turns out to be Big Ben or another Marino.

tylerdolphin
12-29-2005, 02:23 AM
I dont think we should reach for one. But what makes everyone here so sure that a 3rd-7th round QB will work out? if a 1st rounder works out 50/50 (just a figure, not scientific) then a QB from the later rounds works out 10/90. Not a good ratio. If we search for our QB in later rounds, we may never find him

Danny
12-29-2005, 03:08 AM
If Nick wants Cutler in the 1st round then he'll take him and I'll be fine with it.Is looking more and more like he'll be gone before we pick anyway so Nick will take the BPA at that time and I think he'll draft a QB in the 3rd round or later...I trust Saban.

Ozzy rules!!

Alex44
12-29-2005, 03:10 AM
I have never been a fan of reaching for a player just because you may need one. If a player that you need is there when you draft and they are deserving of that draft position, then by all means take him. However, for too long the Dolphins have reached for players just because they feel they need them. Jay Cutler is looking like that type of reach this year. Actually he may not even be around for Miami to draft when they do pick. With so many solid to possibly great quarterbacks in the 2007 draft Miami would be best suited to pick the best player available in the first three rounds and in the later rounds draft a quarterback for development. Why not build up the team with solid players, so when a young quarterback is moved into the position they are surrounded by a solid team ready to win. Like what Lewis did in Cincinatti. If Cutler is there in the second round well consider drafting him there, but why take him in the first round just because he is the second best quarterback in the draft. And he may not even be the second best. Build up the defense this year, improve the offensive line and skill position players and draft a developmental quarterback late. And if he doesnt pan out there is always the first round of the 2007 draft that should have at least three and maybe five quarterbacks there for the picking.


Just the fact that cutler may not be around when we pick says he isnt a reach

finfansince72
12-29-2005, 05:29 AM
Not wanting to 'reach' for Qbs is why we dont have one. We have passed up Qbs every draft and tried the 'cheap and available' route. It hasnt worked. Whether its by trade, freeagency, or draftpick we have to get better at the Qb position, its not an option anymore.