PDA

View Full Version : Despite 47 from Arenas, Heat stop Wizards



BAMAPHIN 22
12-31-2005, 12:56 AM
Even a career-high 47 points from Gilbert Arenas couldn’t prevent the same old result. For the 14th time in a row, the Miami Heat beat the Washington Wizards.

Dwyane Wade and Shaquille O’Neal made their usual contributions to the 128-113 victory Friday night, but a new face in the one-sided rivalry made his presence known. Antoine Walker, who has been trying to find his niche in the Heat rotation, had 21 points, 13 rebounds and five assists off the bench and exclaimed “I’m back!” after hitting a 3-pointer.

“I’m just trying to be as productive as possible,” said Walker, who was acquired in a 13-player trade in August and entered the game averaging a career-low 12.1 points. “Every game is going to be different. It’s very hard for me to say how it’s going to work out or how it’s going to go. We’re only 30 games into the season and without a lot of practice time it’s hard for coach to just completely change things.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10656869/

Silverphin
12-31-2005, 01:00 AM
Even a career-high 47 points from Gilbert Arenas couldn’t prevent the same old result. For the 14th time in a row, the Miami Heat beat the Washington Wizards.

Dwyane Wade and Shaquille O’Neal made their usual contributions to the 128-113 victory Friday night, but a new face in the one-sided rivalry made his presence known. Antoine Walker, who has been trying to find his niche in the Heat rotation, had 21 points, 13 rebounds and five assists off the bench and exclaimed “I’m back!” after hitting a 3-pointer.

“I’m just trying to be as productive as possible,” said Walker, who was acquired in a 13-player trade in August and entered the game averaging a career-low 12.1 points. “Every game is going to be different. It’s very hard for me to say how it’s going to work out or how it’s going to go. We’re only 30 games into the season and without a lot of practice time it’s hard for coach to just completely change things.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10656869/

YEEAAAAAH BUOOOOOOOYYYYYYYY!!!!!!

finfansince72
12-31-2005, 02:28 AM
My Wiz just cant defend Wade or Shaq, they can score but they need defense.

Fresh
12-31-2005, 02:51 AM
Gilbert Arenas sucks, lol. I like Arenas, but truthfully, he's not a very good player. He's a good shooter, and that's about it. Definitely one of the most piss-poor defenders I've ever watched.

finfansince72
12-31-2005, 04:04 AM
Gilbert Arenas sucks, lol. I like Arenas, but truthfully, he's not a very good player. He's a good shooter, and that's about it. Definitely one of the most piss-poor defenders I've ever watched.

Arenas is an awesome player, he led the team to the 2nd round of the playoffs last year. Yea he isnt a great defender but neither were players like Reggie Miller, Steve Nash, etc. Theres no team in the league that wouldnt love to have Arenas, lets not act ******ed here.
How about DWades stellar defense of Arenas?:rolleyes:

Prime Time
12-31-2005, 04:08 AM
Great to see Walker put up those points. I am rooting for him.

Fresh
12-31-2005, 05:25 AM
How about DWades stellar defense of Arenas?:rolleyes:
Did you actually watch the game? Wade wasn't even defending Arenas, and if he was, I wouldn't discredit him. Pretty much all of Arenas' shots came off of jumpers. Fact is, he's a hot & cold player. When Gilbert's shot is off, what the hell CAN HE DO? Nothing. That's the whole point. He's not a good passer, he's not a great ball handler, he's not a good penetrator, he's not good at finishing after beating guys off the dribble, and he's a HORRIBLE defender. Obviously, when I said he "sucks" I was purposely exaggerating, however, he's not an awesome player. He's an awesome shooter. You people love to overrate statistics and shooting abilities. :shakeno:

It's the exact same reason why I sit back and laugh my *** off when people call LeBron James the best player in the league. LeBron James is not even a complete player -- being complete means offensively and defensively, and LBJ doesn't play much defense either. Yall pay too much attention to statistics.

finfansince72
12-31-2005, 05:41 AM
Did you actually watch the game? Wade wasn't even defending Arenas, and if he was, I wouldn't discredit him. Pretty much all of Arenas' shots came off of jumpers. Fact is, he's a hot & cold player. When Gilbert's shot is off, what the hell CAN HE DO? Nothing. That's the whole point. He's not a good passer, he's not a great ball handler, he's not a good penetrator, he's not good at finishing after beating guys off the dribble, and he's a HORRIBLE defender. Obviously, when I said he "sucks" I was purposely exaggerating, however, he's not an awesome player. He's an awesome shooter. You people love to overrate statistics and shooting abilities. :shakeno:

It's the exact same reason why I sit back and laugh my *** off when people call LeBron James the best player in the league. LeBron James is not even a complete player -- being complete means offensively and defensively, and LBJ doesn't play much defense either. Yall pay too much attention to statistics.
Well after 15 years + of watching my Wizards/Bullets never sniff the playoffs, well once way back in the day but thats it and seeing them be led into the playoffs by Arenas Id still take him. Without him we are a bottom feeding lottery bound franchise. With him we have a decent shot at the playoffs and making some noise. Thats about the only stat that matters to me. I dont think u understand how bad the Wizards were before Arenas, he has made a big difference there. 47pts 7rebs 8assists is a solid all around game, neither Willams or Payton was much of an offensive factor, I didnt get to watch the game, Im in Korea but Im not sure what youre talking about after this game. Arenas played great in this game.
Hes also young, is there no room for improvement on defense? He also spends a ton of energy scoring because no one else besides he and Jamison are really the only legit options, along with Butler.
LeBron makes his team better also, he might be a tad bit overrated, only a tiny bit but to act like hes all stats, thats just plain hating.

Fresh
12-31-2005, 03:10 PM
Well after 15 years + of watching my Wizards/Bullets never sniff the playoffs, well once way back in the day but thats it and seeing them be led into the playoffs by Arenas Id still take him. Without him we are a bottom feeding lottery bound franchise. With him we have a decent shot at the playoffs and making some noise. Thats about the only stat that matters to me. I dont think u understand how bad the Wizards were before Arenas, he has made a big difference there. 47pts 7rebs 8assists is a solid all around game, neither Willams or Payton was much of an offensive factor, I didnt get to watch the game, Im in Korea but Im not sure what youre talking about after this game. Arenas played great in this game.
Hes also young, is there no room for improvement on defense? He also spends a ton of energy scoring because no one else besides he and Jamison are really the only legit options, along with Butler.
LeBron makes his team better also, he might be a tad bit overrated, only a tiny bit but to act like hes all stats, thats just plain hating.
Hmmm? You didn't watch the game, but you know he played great? That proves my argument that you're paying too much attention to stats.

Arenas shot lights out, and that's all he did, just like Michael Redd does (except Redd never hurts his team by forcing shots, and he's a better defender). He was guarded by Williams & Payton for three quarters, and in the fourth...Riley put Wade on him and GUESS WHAT HAPPENED? 1/6, 3 points, which was scored with about 2 minutes to go, down by 13. :sidelol:

Just ask Arenas,

"I didn't help the team out in the fourth quarter," he said.


And going against the Heat, he ALWAYS disappears in the 4th quarter. You cannot be an elite player and disappear so much.

Also, he was guarding Wade for the entire second half last night, where Wade dropped 20 (34 total).

FinsNYanksFan13
12-31-2005, 03:16 PM
Without Shaq, D'Wayne Wade is Kobe, T-Mac, Arenas, and every other guard like that in the NBA. The only difference is Kobe had 3 rings with Shaq, I'll bet Wade doesn't get 1!

Fresh
12-31-2005, 03:20 PM
D'Wayne Wade is Kobe, T-Mac, Arenas, and every other guard like that without Shaq. The only difference is Kobe had 3 rings with Shaq, I'll bet Wade doesn't get one!
Once again, you prove how little you know about basketball. First of all, D'Wayne Wade? :sidelol:

Wade plays defense. Does T-Mac & Arenas? No. I'm assuming the rest of the guard class you're talking about includes Vince Carter, Michael Redd, and co? Neither of those guys play defense like Wade anyways. Also, Wade penetrates and gets to the rim better than any guard in the league not named Kobe Bryant (who he does it better than in my opinion, but that can go both ways - no h*mo). Wade is on a completely different level than those two, and he proves it when Shaq is hurt. You simply look at stats too much as well, and don't know enough about the game of basketball. How many Heat games have you seen where Wade played without Shaq? I've seen them all.

I won't speak on Kobe. As much as I hate that piece of ****, he is a GREAT individual basketball player. However, I'd rather have Wade who will never get into a dispute with a teammate, never make a dirty play like elbowing a player in the neck just to let him know he can't come down the lane in "our" house, and he's a team player who doesn't force his own success.

FinsNYanksFan13
12-31-2005, 03:26 PM
You act like Wade's **** don't stink. As I said, without Shaq, Wade is no better then Kobe, Lebron, T-Mac, or any other top guard in the NBA. Because he has Shaq he gets all this attention now, without Shaq, he fills up the stat sheet and his team is around .500 give or take a few games either way!

finfansince72
12-31-2005, 11:46 PM
Hmmm? You didn't watch the game, but you know he played great? That proves my argument that you're paying too much attention to stats.

Arenas shot lights out, and that's all he did, just like Michael Redd does (except Redd never hurts his team by forcing shots, and he's a better defender). He was guarded by Williams & Payton for three quarters, and in the fourth...Riley put Wade on him and GUESS WHAT HAPPENED? 1/6, 3 points, which was scored with about 2 minutes to go, down by 13. :sidelol:

Just ask Arenas,


And going against the Heat, he ALWAYS disappears in the 4th quarter. You cannot be an elite player and disappear so much.

Also, he was guarding Wade for the entire second half last night, where Wade dropped 20 (34 total).

I believe I said that Arenas doesnt play great defense and that the Wizards cant stop the Heat, dont know why that was rehashed. Its true, never said it wasnt. Im sorry but Arenas did about all he could in that game, yea he faded in the fourth but he poured in enough points for some other guys to step up. I still think hes a great player despite a bad quarter. When Arenas gets a Shaq in the middle Im sure the Wizards record will improve. The Heat werent exactly playing lights out without Shaq earlier in the year were they?
The Wizards arent a great team, they need more pieces but Arenas is a great player, youre acting a little silly in this thread. Putting down Arenas and LeBron is a little bit stupid when u see how they have turned piss poor teams in playoff caliber teams. Yea they have work to do but they are very young, what young player doesnt have work to do?

Majpain
01-01-2006, 03:06 AM
Don't worry MY T-wolves will stop the Diesel and Flash

Fresh
01-01-2006, 03:18 PM
I believe I said that Arenas doesnt play great defense and that the Wizards cant stop the Heat, dont know why that was rehashed. Its true, never said it wasnt. Im sorry but Arenas did about all he could in that game, yea he faded in the fourth but he poured in enough points for some other guys to step up. I still think hes a great player despite a bad quarter. When Arenas gets a Shaq in the middle Im sure the Wizards record will improve. The Heat werent exactly playing lights out without Shaq earlier in the year were they?
The Wizards arent a great team, they need more pieces but Arenas is a great player, youre acting a little silly in this thread. Putting down Arenas and LeBron is a little bit stupid when u see how they have turned piss poor teams in playoff caliber teams. Yea they have work to do but they are very young, what young player doesnt have work to do?

No, you're acting silly by simply overrating one of your favorite players. Never did I put down LeBron James. I just said that he doesn't play defense yet, and that's clear to EVERYBODY in the NBA world. Listen to any analyst, they'll tell you the same. However, offensively, LBJ does absolutely everything, so he is a great player.

I am not silly for what I'm saying about Gilbert Arenas. That's another obvious. You say he was the big reason for Washington's success last year, well, if so...what's going on this year? It was the combination of Arenas, Hughes, and Jamison who took Washington to the second round. Don't forget, Larry Hughes actually plays defense! How the hell can you call a player who isn't great all around, an all-around player? What the hell does Arenas do other than score?

Fresh
01-01-2006, 03:21 PM
You act like Wade's **** don't stink. As I said, without Shaq, Wade is no better then Kobe, Lebron, T-Mac, or any other top guard in the NBA. Because he has Shaq he gets all this attention now, without Shaq, he fills up the stat sheet and his team is around .500 give or take a few games either way!
Sorry, but I watch every Heat game and I've seen a lot of Kobe, LBJ, T-Mac, and the rest of the "elite" guards. Kobe is the ONLY one who plays defense better than Wade, or even on Wade's level. None of those players are as complete as Wade, and he does it without Shaq, so shut up. If Shaq is out, you cannot blame the team's success rate on Wade. He can't do it all by himself, not even Jordan did (Pippen and Rodman were always there for him). Obviously, Kobe cannot do it either. However, when Shaq is out, Wade plays just as good or even better...so basically, your argument is just as trash as the New York Knicks.

Muck
01-01-2006, 09:50 PM
Dan Majerle was considered one of the best defenders in the league in the early '90s. But he couldn't guard Michael Jordan in the Finals.

Does that mean Majerle couldn't play defense?? Of course not.

The point is, great scorers are going to score most of the time regardless of who's guarding them. And on any given night, any player with skill can go off.

This post really doesn't have to do with the Heat game. Just the general premise.

SuavePhin
01-01-2006, 10:19 PM
*sigh* i miss Thunder Dan, beast of a defender, and our best inbound passer ever imo

DwayneWade
01-01-2006, 10:25 PM
*sigh* i miss Thunder Dan, beast of a defender, and our best inbound passer ever imo

haha best inbound passer ever:D

Fresh
01-02-2006, 12:21 AM
Don't worry MY T-wolves will stop the Diesel and Flash
Heat won by 27. You should think twice before second guessing one of the best teams, and two of the best players in the league next time. :sidelol: :sidelol: :sidelol:

finfansince72
01-02-2006, 12:39 AM
No, you're acting silly by simply overrating one of your favorite players. Never did I put down LeBron James. I just said that he doesn't play defense yet, and that's clear to EVERYBODY in the NBA world. Listen to any analyst, they'll tell you the same. However, offensively, LBJ does absolutely everything, so he is a great player.

I am not silly for what I'm saying about Gilbert Arenas. That's another obvious. You say he was the big reason for Washington's success last year, well, if so...what's going on this year? It was the combination of Arenas, Hughes, and Jamison who took Washington to the second round. Don't forget, Larry Hughes actually plays defense! How the hell can you call a player who isn't great all around, an all-around player? What the hell does Arenas do other than score?

Lets go back your original post:
"Gilbert Arenas sucks, lol. I like Arenas, but truthfully, he's not a very good player. He's a good shooter, and that's about it. Definitely one of the most piss-poor defenders I've ever watched"

The arguement was never about him being great allaround, I never said that, I said he sucks on defense. Ive seen enough of him to know that. You said "Gilbert Arenas sucks", hes "not a very good player", u didnt say 'hes great on offense, but not on defense, you said he sucks. Thats more than a little silly.
Im not going to go back and forth with you anymore, I like the Heat, I like Dwayne, but the Wizards are my team and I love Arenas-lack of defense and all. Hughes is missed here, they do have a cap there but Butler was a solid pickup. Hughes just wasnt worth what Cleveland paid, we couldnt keep him at that price. He made the NBA all defensive team but he wasnt much help on that front vs. Miami last year either, we havent been able to stop Miami I think the streak is going on like 14 or 15 games now.

Section126
01-02-2006, 01:21 AM
Don't worry MY T-wolves will stop the Diesel and Flash


Yeah....your Wolves kicked our Butts for a quarter and a half.....

UHHH...97-70 Heat....sorry about that..... :sidelol:

Majpain
01-02-2006, 02:40 AM
Minny played thee worst game I have ever seen.How much points did they score total in the second half 23?25?Jesus what the hell happend.I look its like 54-55 heat by 1.I check a hour later to see minny scoring 11 points in the 3rd and losing huge.I must say minny aint going anywhere the way their playing.They are lucky Denver is doing bad.KG only had 3 rebounds in the 2nd half :(.I could go on and on about this game)