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kastofsna120
12-28-2005, 04:30 PM
1 Houston - reggie bush, RB, USC
2 New Orleans - matt leinart, QB, USC
3 Green Bay - haloti ngata, DT, oregon
4 N.Y. Jets - deangelo williams, RB, memphis
5 San Francisco - a.j. hawk, OLB, ohio state
6 Tennessee - d'brickashaw ferguson, T, virginia
7 Oakland - mario williams, DE, nc state
8 Arizona - vince young, QB, texas
8 St. Louis - michael huff, S, texas
10 Detroit - mathias kiwanuka, DE, boston college
11 Buffalo - winston justice, T, USC
11 Cleveland - jimmy williams, CB, vatech
13 Philadelphia - santonio holmes, WR, ohio state
14 Baltimore - joe thomas, T, wisconsin,
15 Miami - jay cutler, QB, vanderbilt
16 Minnesota - laurence maroney, RB, minnesota
17 Atlanta - demeco ryans, LB, alabama
18 Kansas City - chad greenway, LB, iowa
19 Dallas - max jean-giles, G, georgia
20 San Diego - laron landry, S, LSU
21 Denver f/Was - vernon davis, TE, maryland
22 Carolina - derek hagan, WR, arizona state
23 Tampa Bay - marcus mcniel, T, auburn
24 New England - alan zemaitis, CB, PSU
25 Pittsburgh - lendale white, RB, USC
25 N.Y. Giants - claude wroten, LSU, DT
27 Chicago - sinorice moss, WR, miami
28 Cincinnati - tamba hali, DE, penn state
29 Jacksonville - anthony smith, S, syracuse
30 Denver - darnell bing, S, USC
31 Seattle - chad jackson, WR, florida
32 Indianapolis - thomas howard, LB, UTEP


looking back on it, it's pretty bad, but whatever, i'll make a new one later on

Jaj
12-28-2005, 04:35 PM
I'd love to also drop into that area right before Bing is drafted. Possibly a team might want to move up, and we could land Bing and get some very good value possibly the amount that the Eagles gave the 49ers in the 04 draft.

Nappy Roots
12-28-2005, 05:22 PM
1 Houston - reggie bush, RB, USC
2 New Orleans - matt leinart, QB, USC
3 Green Bay - haloti ngata, DT, oregon
4 N.Y. Jets - deangelo williams, RB, memphis
5 San Francisco - a.j. hawk, OLB, ohio state
6 Tennessee - d'brickashaw ferguson, T, virginia
7 Oakland - mario williams, DE, nc state
8 Arizona - vince young, QB, texas
8 St. Louis - michael huff, S, texas
10 Detroit - mathias kiwanuka, DE, boston college
11 Buffalo - winston justice, T, USC
11 Cleveland - jimmy williams, CB, vatech
13 Philadelphia - santonio holmes, WR, ohio state
14 Baltimore - joe thomas, T, wisconsin,
15 Miami - jay cutler, QB, vanderbilt
16 Minnesota - laurence maroney, RB, minnesota
17 Atlanta - demeco ryans, LB, alabama
18 Kansas City - chad greenway, LB, iowa
19 Dallas - max jean-giles, G, georgia
20 San Diego - laron landry, S, LSU
21 Denver f/Was - vernon davis, TE, maryland
22 Carolina - derek hagan, WR, arizona state
23 Tampa Bay - marcus mcniel, T, auburn
24 New England - alan zemaitis, CB, PSU
25 Pittsburgh - lendale white, RB, USC
25 N.Y. Giants - claude wroten, LSU, DT
27 Chicago - sinorice moss, WR, miami
28 Cincinnati - tamba hali, DE, penn state
29 Jacksonville - anthony smith, S, syracuse
30 Denver - darnell bing, S, USC
31 Seattle - chad jackson, WR, florida
32 Indianapolis - thomas howard, LB, UTEP


looking back on it, it's pretty bad, but whatever, i'll make a new one later on


its not that bad. better than alot of peoples

draft is a hard thing to predict.

vmarcilfan75
12-28-2005, 05:24 PM
you forgot the best TE in the draft...Marcedes Lewis will be drafted by the Broncos

Nappy Roots
12-28-2005, 05:25 PM
you forgot the best TE in the draft...Marcedes Lewis will be drafted by the Broncos


IMO Davis is by far the best TE in the draft, an his workouts will definilty make him the first TE chosen.

ether79
12-28-2005, 05:34 PM
1 Houston - reggie bush, RB, USC
2 New Orleans - matt leinart, QB, USC
3 Green Bay - haloti ngata, DT, oregon
4 N.Y. Jets - deangelo williams, RB, memphis
5 San Francisco - a.j. hawk, OLB, ohio state
6 Tennessee - d'brickashaw ferguson, T, virginia
7 Oakland - mario williams, DE, nc state
8 Arizona - vince young, QB, texas
8 St. Louis - michael huff, S, texas
10 Detroit - mathias kiwanuka, DE, boston college
11 Buffalo - winston justice, T, USC
11 Cleveland - jimmy williams, CB, vatech
13 Philadelphia - santonio holmes, WR, ohio state
14 Baltimore - joe thomas, T, wisconsin,
15 Miami - jay cutler, QB, vanderbilt
16 Minnesota - laurence maroney, RB, minnesota
17 Atlanta - demeco ryans, LB, alabama
18 Kansas City - chad greenway, LB, iowa
19 Dallas - max jean-giles, G, georgia
20 San Diego - laron landry, S, LSU
21 Denver f/Was - vernon davis, TE, maryland
22 Carolina - derek hagan, WR, arizona state
23 Tampa Bay - marcus mcniel, T, auburn
24 New England - alan zemaitis, CB, PSU
25 Pittsburgh - lendale white, RB, USC
25 N.Y. Giants - claude wroten, LSU, DT
27 Chicago - sinorice moss, WR, miami
28 Cincinnati - tamba hali, DE, penn state
29 Jacksonville - anthony smith, S, syracuse
30 Denver - darnell bing, S, USC
31 Seattle - chad jackson, WR, florida
32 Indianapolis - thomas howard, LB, UTEP


looking back on it, it's pretty bad, but whatever, i'll make a new one later on

I like it...better than many I have seen.

kastofsna120
12-28-2005, 05:34 PM
davis > lewis

vmarcilfan75
12-28-2005, 05:36 PM
ok regardless who we think is better he's still a 1st round pick

kastofsna120
12-28-2005, 05:39 PM
not necessarily. he wasn't as good this year as projected and it's not like TE is a huge need of any of lower round teams

vmarcilfan75
12-28-2005, 05:52 PM
not necessarily. he wasn't as good this year as projected and it's not like TE is a huge need of any of lower round teams

i dont know the guy had a career year in receptions,yardage, and touchdowns.
IMO he'll be the 1st TE taken if not at least a 1st round pick

saves
12-28-2005, 06:17 PM
not necessarily. he wasn't as good this year as projected and it's not like TE is a huge need of any of lower round teams

Wasn't as good as projected. He had like 700 yards recieving and 10td's. It was his best year of his career.

Not saying that causes him to trump Davis, but that was a poor defense.

Caps
12-28-2005, 06:25 PM
1 Houston - reggie bush, RB, USC
2 New Orleans - matt leinart, QB, USC
3 Green Bay - haloti ngata, DT, oregon
4 N.Y. Jets - deangelo williams, RB, memphis
5 San Francisco - a.j. hawk, OLB, ohio state
6 Tennessee - d'brickashaw ferguson, T, virginia
7 Oakland - mario williams, DE, nc state
8 Arizona - vince young, QB, texas
8 St. Louis - michael huff, S, texas
10 Detroit - mathias kiwanuka, DE, boston college
11 Buffalo - winston justice, T, USC
11 Cleveland - jimmy williams, CB, vatech
13 Philadelphia - santonio holmes, WR, ohio state
14 Baltimore - joe thomas, T, wisconsin,
15 Miami - jay cutler, QB, vanderbilt
16 Minnesota - laurence maroney, RB, minnesota
17 Atlanta - demeco ryans, LB, alabama
18 Kansas City - chad greenway, LB, iowa
19 Dallas - max jean-giles, G, georgia
20 San Diego - laron landry, S, LSU
21 Denver f/Was - vernon davis, TE, maryland
22 Carolina - derek hagan, WR, arizona state
23 Tampa Bay - marcus mcniel, T, auburn
24 New England - alan zemaitis, CB, PSU
25 Pittsburgh - lendale white, RB, USC
25 N.Y. Giants - claude wroten, LSU, DT
27 Chicago - sinorice moss, WR, miami
28 Cincinnati - tamba hali, DE, penn state
29 Jacksonville - anthony smith, S, syracuse
30 Denver - darnell bing, S, USC
31 Seattle - chad jackson, WR, florida
32 Indianapolis - thomas howard, LB, UTEP


looking back on it, it's pretty bad, but whatever, i'll make a new one later on

The only pick that really seemed out of place to me was Sinorice Moss going to the Bears in the 1st. I love the guy, but I see him getting picked in the 2nd or 3rd. I love our pick.

LightsOut
12-28-2005, 07:10 PM
falcons won't take a LB. they already got hartwell, brooking, williams, and boley. landry would be a better pick for them.

Nappy Roots
12-28-2005, 07:11 PM
falcons won't take a LB. they already got hartwell, brooking, williams, and boley. landry would be a better pick for them.


they still got a horrible rush defense. so someone is on their way out.

Alex44
12-28-2005, 07:15 PM
1 Houston - reggie bush, RB, USC
2 New Orleans - matt leinart, QB, USC
3 Green Bay - haloti ngata, DT, oregon
4 N.Y. Jets - deangelo williams, RB, memphis
5 San Francisco - a.j. hawk, OLB, ohio state
6 Tennessee - d'brickashaw ferguson, T, virginia
7 Oakland - mario williams, DE, nc state
8 Arizona - vince young, QB, texas
8 St. Louis - michael huff, S, texas
10 Detroit - mathias kiwanuka, DE, boston college
11 Buffalo - winston justice, T, USC
11 Cleveland - jimmy williams, CB, vatech
13 Philadelphia - santonio holmes, WR, ohio state
14 Baltimore - joe thomas, T, wisconsin,
15 Miami - jay cutler, QB, vanderbilt
16 Minnesota - laurence maroney, RB, minnesota
17 Atlanta - demeco ryans, LB, alabama
18 Kansas City - chad greenway, LB, iowa
19 Dallas - max jean-giles, G, georgia
20 San Diego - laron landry, S, LSU
21 Denver f/Was - vernon davis, TE, maryland
22 Carolina - derek hagan, WR, arizona state
23 Tampa Bay - marcus mcniel, T, auburn
24 New England - alan zemaitis, CB, PSU
25 Pittsburgh - lendale white, RB, USC
25 N.Y. Giants - claude wroten, LSU, DT
27 Chicago - sinorice moss, WR, miami
28 Cincinnati - tamba hali, DE, penn state
29 Jacksonville - anthony smith, S, syracuse
30 Denver - darnell bing, S, USC
31 Seattle - chad jackson, WR, florida
32 Indianapolis - thomas howard, LB, UTEP


looking back on it, it's pretty bad, but whatever, i'll make a new one later on


wow we may disagree on 98% of things but this is probally the best mock ive seen so far, especially at the top, only 1 I disagree is I think houston trades the first pick

LightsOut
12-28-2005, 07:17 PM
they still got a horrible rush defense. so someone is on their way out.
hartwell has been out all year. he will be back and that will help a lot. none of those guys are going anywhere. safety is where they are the weakest.

dominizzo
12-28-2005, 07:41 PM
1 Houston - reggie bush, RB, USC
2 New Orleans - matt leinart, QB, USC
3 Green Bay - haloti ngata, DT, oregon
4 N.Y. Jets - deangelo williams, RB, memphis
5 San Francisco - a.j. hawk, OLB, ohio state
6 Tennessee - d'brickashaw ferguson, T, virginia
7 Oakland - mario williams, DE, nc state
8 Arizona - vince young, QB, texas
8 St. Louis - michael huff, S, texas
10 Detroit - mathias kiwanuka, DE, boston college
11 Buffalo - winston justice, T, USC
11 Cleveland - jimmy williams, CB, vatech
13 Philadelphia - santonio holmes, WR, ohio state
14 Baltimore - joe thomas, T, wisconsin,
15 Miami - jay cutler, QB, vanderbilt
16 Minnesota - laurence maroney, RB, minnesota
17 Atlanta - demeco ryans, LB, alabama
18 Kansas City - chad greenway, LB, iowa
19 Dallas - max jean-giles, G, georgia
20 San Diego - laron landry, S, LSU
21 Denver f/Was - vernon davis, TE, maryland
22 Carolina - derek hagan, WR, arizona state
23 Tampa Bay - marcus mcniel, T, auburn
24 New England - alan zemaitis, CB, PSU
25 Pittsburgh - lendale white, RB, USC
25 N.Y. Giants - claude wroten, LSU, DT
27 Chicago - sinorice moss, WR, miami
28 Cincinnati - tamba hali, DE, penn state
29 Jacksonville - anthony smith, S, syracuse
30 Denver - darnell bing, S, USC
31 Seattle - chad jackson, WR, florida
32 Indianapolis - thomas howard, LB, UTEP


looking back on it, it's pretty bad, but whatever, i'll make a new one later on


i think GB has the 2nd pick with Saints having number 1 choosing Leinart and the PAck getting Bush and letting Ahman Green Go

kastofsna120
12-28-2005, 08:30 PM
Wasn't as good as projected. He had like 700 yards recieving and 10td's. It was his best year of his career.

Not saying that causes him to trump Davis, but that was a poor defense.
so? he still hasn't lived up to expectations

falcons won't take a LB. they already got hartwell, brooking, williams, and boley. landry would be a better pick for them.
yeah that makes sense

LIQUID24
12-28-2005, 08:40 PM
You must have had ridiculous expectations for Mercedes Lewis then. He had more catches and twice as many TD's as Vernon Davis.

Having said that, I do expect Davis to go before Lewis. Mostly because he'll have much better workout numbers, not because he's a better player.

Also, I think Deangelo Williams will drop in the draft. Just a gut feeling. There's almost always a RB that drops further than expected on draft day....I think Deangelo will be the one this year.

Nappy Roots
12-28-2005, 08:42 PM
Also, I think Deangelo Williams will drop in the draft. Just a gut feeling. There's almost always a RB that drops further than expected on draft day....I think Deangelo will be the one this year.


i agree with the fact that it happens. but it will be Maroney IMO. he will drop to the bottom of the first

kastofsna120
12-28-2005, 09:00 PM
williams won't drop after that bowl game and after a solid senior bowl. if anything his stock has just gotten higher

vmarcilfan75
12-28-2005, 10:07 PM
so? he still hasn't lived up to expectations

yeah that makes sense


he won the Mackey Award(best TE)
he owns most if not all UCLA TE records
he was named to numerous all-american teams
he led the team in rec. tds, yards, receptions.


may i ask what your expectations are/were?

Motion
12-29-2005, 11:15 AM
Lets hope in goes that way.

Philter25
12-29-2005, 11:46 AM
The only thing I really disagree with is Sinorice Moss. I have Chicago taking a TE at that spot and I think Moss is a 2nd rounder.


Never know, its still very hard to predict where everyone will go. Im also glad to see you have Max JeanGiles higher on your board. There were a lot of mocks on here that didnt have him in the 1st round that I greatly disagreed with.
Also Alan Zemaitis might be a little high IMO. I think that would be a great pick for NE, but Zemaitis right now is a 2nd rounder.

kastofsna120
12-29-2005, 12:40 PM
i'll add notes to the next mock i make, like why i think guys like zemaitis goes so high (good combine, NE is known for reaching in the first, etc). i also left out a few people, but whatever, i did it off the top of my head

King Felix
12-30-2005, 12:40 AM
u missed ngata

kastofsna120
12-30-2005, 12:44 AM
u missed ngata
except i have him #3 overall to green bay

ether79
12-30-2005, 12:44 AM
u missed ngata

:confused: You missed Ngata..he had him going #3 to GB.

Oboy
12-30-2005, 05:38 PM
I think it is a pretty good mock. Not so sure about Ngata going that high. I came away very UNIMPRESSED after watching him last night.

I am still torn on whether I want Miami taking Cutler with their first pick. Some days I like it, others I would rather take a player that will contribute from day one... like a Chad Greenway for example.

ckparrothead
12-30-2005, 06:02 PM
Jay Cutler's a nice flashy pick but I find it hard to believe they'd pass on Greenway or Ryans if either made it to #15, no matter who else was on the board...unless of course we got Julian Peterson. Then ok, I get ya :)

King Felix
12-30-2005, 09:20 PM
ooops i missed it

kastofsna120
12-31-2005, 04:14 PM
Houston reggie bush, HB, USC - easy choice
New Orleans matt leinart, QB, USC - yup
Green Bay mario williams, DE, nc state - would go with hawk, but williams impresses at combine and whatnot
N.Y. Jets deangelo williams, HB, memphis - great bowl and senior bowl pushes him way up
San Francisco a.j. hawk, LB, ohio state - perhaps a replacement for julian peterson? would make the pick even if peterson stays
Tennessee d'brickashaw ferguson, T, virginia - best tackle in draft. leinart is gone, mario williams is gone
Oakland haloti ngata, DT, oregon - sapp sucks, washington is almost done, rush defense is bad
Arizona vince young, QB, texas - sucks for arizona!
St. Louis jimmy williams, CB/S, vatech - may drop more
Detroit jon scott, T, texas - finally someone who isn't a receiver
Buffalo winston justice, T, USC - need a solid RT
Cleveland mathias kiwanuka, DE, boston college - BPA. interesting to see him in the 3-4
Philadelphia santonio holmes, WR, ohio state - obvious pick
Baltimore max jean-giles, G, georgia - they need T more, but jean-giles is too good to pass up
Miami jay cutler, QB, vanderbilt - QB of the future
Minnesota laurence maroney, RB, minnesota - stays at home and wins rookie of the year
Atlanta chad greenway, LB, iowa - BPA
Kansas City mike huff, S, texas - BPA for a bad secondary
Dallas demeco ryans, LB, alabama - good young defense, but the weakest part is clearly the ILBs
San Diego tye hill, CB, clemson - secondary needs help
Denver derek hagan, WR, arizona state - he's a LOT like rod smith
Carolina joe thomas, T, wisconsin - BPA. the line has sucked at run blocking this year
Tampa Bay marcus mcneill, T, auburn - tackle is the weakest part of the bucs' line
New England alan zemaitis, CB, penn state - perfect belechicky player
N.Y. Giants claude wroten, DT, LSU - umenyiora and strahan are great, but still soft in the middle
Pittsburgh tamba hali, DE, penn state - don't really need him, but BPA
Chicago vernon davis, TE, maryland - haven't had a good tight end since ditka
Cincinnati laron landry, S, LSU - weak secondary with almost no depth at safety
Jacksonville darnell bing, S, USC - some players have stepped up, but still not a very good corps of safetys
Denver marcedes lewis, TE, ucla - they need another weapon in the passing game
Seattle abdul hodge, LB, iowa - BPA
Indianapolis mike hass, WR, oregon state - reggie wayne is gone, hass is pretty much the same player

Dors156
12-31-2005, 07:12 PM
good job

ether79
12-31-2005, 07:19 PM
Good mock

Oboy
12-31-2005, 09:05 PM
Wow, can't say much. I personally don't think Minnesota uses their first on a RB, but if they do that is a good choice. Don't have much to back it up, but I thought I remembered reading last year that their FO does not like to use their first on a RB. That they feel there are typically some great backs later.

Bjorn
12-31-2005, 09:06 PM
You think Hass could bring his stock up that much?:confused: Otherwise very good mock.

dodge
01-01-2006, 08:47 AM
very good job. but i just don't see the jets letting d'brick get by them. left tackles are at a premium while rb's have lost a lot of value of late. evidence of this just last year as both edgerin and shaun alexander could be had for a 2nd rounder and no takers. i really like the order of talent and the "need" of the teams. still not sure about cutler at our pick. right now its probably about 20 spots too high, by draft time it might be 10 spots too low. look forward to reading your next mock, especially after the senior bowl.

Motion
01-01-2006, 11:59 AM
Yes please

wazzy
01-01-2006, 12:43 PM
That was a solid Mock Draft! Kastofsna this is the only time I will see a lot of people agreeing with you rather then disagreeing

Buddwalk
01-01-2006, 03:31 PM
good mock only thing i dont like is hass in the 1st hes a 1st day guy probobly but doubt he brings his stock up that much. Good player though ;)

HysterikiLL
01-01-2006, 04:39 PM
:lol: Only you could deliver quite possibly the most negative undertone to a mock draft in history. Did you make one positive comment about a team? :lol:

But I still am not sold on Cutler. I hope he has a bad senior bowl and slips. I doubt we could get him in the 2nd even if he did slip, but who knows?

Caps
01-01-2006, 05:40 PM
Wow, can't say much. I personally don't think Minnesota uses their first on a RB, but if they do that is a good choice. Don't have much to back it up, but I thought I remembered reading last year that their FO does not like to use their first on a RB. That they feel there are typically some great backs later.

Well, you have to remember that Minnesota's front office will be out of a job by the time this upcomming draft rolls around.

Anyway, I liked the mock, and I liked our pick.

RunningBackGuru
01-01-2006, 08:00 PM
Good mock. I hope we do pick up Cutler.

Buddwalk
01-01-2006, 08:32 PM
Good mock. I hope we do pick up Cutler.

I'd love to have cutler or leinart but cutler at 15 right now might be a stretch we'll see after the combine and senior bowl the kid could be a top 15 pick easy but right now just a lil bit of a stretch...still love to get him ;)

PHINSfan
01-01-2006, 09:41 PM
very good draft. Now that we are picking at #16 I like the idea of Cutler....

SMadison29
01-01-2006, 09:52 PM
Is your Mario Williams to Green Bay #3 a BPA pick? If it is then I understand, if not then it doesn't make sense because Green Bay already has two very good DEs in KGB & Aaron Kampman.

Regan21286
01-03-2006, 09:38 PM
Good mock, though I'd rather trade up for Leinart than have Cutler. But either way is still good.

finfansince72
01-03-2006, 10:14 PM
SF doesnt need DBrick? I dont know would make sense to protect their investment in Smith. Tag Peterson and take some online or trade down.

dominizzo
01-03-2006, 10:55 PM
The mOCk is great but Pittsburgh will take Lendale White

Danny
01-04-2006, 03:01 AM
I think the reason everyone think is a good mock is the fact he has Cutler to us at 16...I don't think he'll be there....so I'd say we go Greenway or Hoff or even a DT if we go defence...but I think is very posible now that we go LT at 16...specially if Hoff, Greenway,Cutler and Bing and Landry are all gone.

Ozzy rules!!
:rockon: :guitar:

fishypete
01-04-2006, 10:55 AM
Where's R. Wright...DT Texas? Joe Thomas OT Wisc...I believe injured his knee...besides has he declared yet?

kastofsna120
01-04-2006, 10:56 AM
Where's R. Wright...DT Texas? Joe Thomas OT Wisc...I believe injured his knee...besides has he declared yet?
wright has dropped on a lot of people's boards, although he's still probably one of the best in the country at his position. thomas got hurt, so i doubt he's declaring

fishypete
01-04-2006, 11:23 AM
wright has dropped on a lot of people's boards, although he's still probably one of the best in the country at his position. thomas got hurt, so i doubt he's declaring


Who's boards? He's a first round DT clear and simple....far better than Ngata...who hurt his knee also. Don't be surprised to see him in a Dolphin uniform.

side note....Did you see who was scouting the game last night? Saban...maybe he wanted to see up front a couple players from both teams...although I would think PSU would have a edge....since they have more seniors leaving.

kastofsna120
01-04-2006, 11:41 AM
Who's boards? He's a first round DT clear and simple....far better than Ngata...who hurt his knee also. Don't be surprised to see him in a Dolphin uniform.
well guess what? you're the only one who thinks that. after the great game against OSU, wright has slipped, plain and simple. i've seen him as low as the 4th best DT (which i disagree with, but it's a mock draft, not my rankings of the positions)

kastofsna120
01-04-2006, 11:43 AM
side note....Did you see who was scouting the game last night? Saban...maybe he wanted to see up front a couple players from both teams...although I would think PSU would have a edge....since they have more seniors leaving.
lemme guess, because they were at the game, you now think they're going to draft a penn state or FSU player? your concrete thinking is awesome petey

finsnchips
01-04-2006, 11:52 AM
Who's boards? He's a first round DT clear and simple....far better than Ngata...who hurt his knee also. Don't be surprised to see him in a Dolphin uniform.

side note....Did you see who was scouting the game last night? Saban...maybe he wanted to see up front a couple players from both teams...although I would think PSU would have a edge....since they have more seniors leaving.
lol, he was there coz he's the Dolphins coach and was involved in the pre-game...

Tamba Hali is the only first round guy that was on show last night.

Danny
01-04-2006, 12:00 PM
Who's boards? He's a first round DT clear and simple....far better than Ngata...who hurt his knee also. Don't be surprised to see him in a Dolphin uniform.

side note....Did you see who was scouting the game last night? Saban...maybe he wanted to see up front a couple players from both teams...although I would think PSU would have a edge....since they have more seniors leaving.
Far better than Nagata? I'll have to disagree there.I think Ngata will be the first DT off the board in april for sure...not saying your guy is bad but he'll go late 1st early 2nd imo....Ngata will go top 10......I hope you're right and Ngata's stll there at 16.....Nick would use about 2 seconds of his 15 minutes to take Ngata.

Ozzy rules!!
:rockon: :guitar:

Mile High Fin
01-04-2006, 12:20 PM
The mOCk is great but Pittsburgh will take Lendale White


Agreed....

BigDogsHunt
01-04-2006, 12:54 PM
Houston reggie bush, HB, USC - easy choice
New Orleans matt leinart, QB, USC - yup
Green Bay mario williams, DE, nc state - would go with hawk, but williams impresses at combine and whatnot
N.Y. Jets deangelo williams, HB, memphis - great bowl and senior bowl pushes him way up
San Francisco a.j. hawk, LB, ohio state - perhaps a replacement for julian peterson? would make the pick even if peterson stays
Tennessee d'brickashaw ferguson, T, virginia - best tackle in draft. leinart is gone, mario williams is gone
Oakland haloti ngata, DT, oregon - sapp sucks, washington is almost done, rush defense is bad
Arizona vince young, QB, texas - sucks for arizona!
St. Louis jimmy williams, CB/S, vatech - may drop more
Detroit jon scott, T, texas - finally someone who isn't a receiver
Buffalo winston justice, T, USC - need a solid RT
Cleveland mathias kiwanuka, DE, boston college - BPA. interesting to see him in the 3-4
Philadelphia santonio holmes, WR, ohio state - obvious pick
Baltimore max jean-giles, G, georgia - they need T more, but jean-giles is too good to pass up
Miami jay cutler, QB, vanderbilt - QB of the future
Minnesota laurence maroney, RB, minnesota - stays at home and wins rookie of the year
Atlanta chad greenway, LB, iowa - BPA
Kansas City mike huff, S, texas - BPA for a bad secondary
Dallas demeco ryans, LB, alabama - good young defense, but the weakest part is clearly the ILBs
San Diego tye hill, CB, clemson - secondary needs help
Denver derek hagan, WR, arizona state - he's a LOT like rod smith
Carolina joe thomas, T, wisconsin - BPA. the line has sucked at run blocking this year
Tampa Bay marcus mcneill, T, auburn - tackle is the weakest part of the bucs' line
New England alan zemaitis, CB, penn state - perfect belechicky player
N.Y. Giants claude wroten, DT, LSU - umenyiora and strahan are great, but still soft in the middle
Pittsburgh tamba hali, DE, penn state - don't really need him, but BPA
Chicago vernon davis, TE, maryland - haven't had a good tight end since ditka
Cincinnati laron landry, S, LSU - weak secondary with almost no depth at safety
Jacksonville darnell bing, S, USC - some players have stepped up, but still not a very good corps of safetys
Denver marcedes lewis, TE, ucla - they need another weapon in the passing game
Seattle abdul hodge, LB, iowa - BPA
Indianapolis mike hass, WR, oregon state - reggie wayne is gone, hass is pretty much the same player

How soon before Mock #3 your list is out of order now......

kastofsna120
01-04-2006, 02:05 PM
How soon before Mock #3 your list is out of order now......
it'll be up in less than 30 seconds

BigDogsHunt
01-04-2006, 02:07 PM
it'll be up in less than 30 seconds

Sweet Action....thats what I'm talking about.....

fishypete
01-04-2006, 03:30 PM
lemme guess, because they were at the game, you now think they're going to draft a penn state or FSU player? your concrete thinking is awesome petey

When Grueden coaches players at the senior bowl....and gets the chance to scout them up...it's smart....so what makes you think Saban wasn't doing his own scouting last night? PSU...has many good players...in positions we need.

fishypete
01-04-2006, 03:32 PM
well guess what? you're the only one who thinks that. after the great game against OSU, wright has slipped, plain and simple. i've seen him as low as the 4th best DT (which i disagree with, but it's a mock draft, not my rankings of the positions)


Try NFL Draft scout....I trust them over Kiper and most of the so called experts...and if you notice....so do many of the former NFL players.

fishypete
01-04-2006, 03:34 PM
lol, he was there coz he's the Dolphins coach and was involved in the pre-game...

Tamba Hali is the only first round guy that was on show last night.

Actually....the only Dolphin that had to be there was Shula, he tossed the coin....Wayne was there because he owns the place. Saban didn't have to be there....but he was.

fishypete
01-04-2006, 03:36 PM
Far better than Nagata? I'll have to disagree there.I think Ngata will be the first DT off the board in april for sure...not saying your guy is bad but he'll go late 1st early 2nd imo....Ngata will go top 10......I hope you're right and Ngata's stll there at 16.....Nick would use about 2 seconds of his 15 minutes to take Ngata.

Ozzy rules!!
:rockon: :guitar:

Ngata didn't show me anything in his bowl game...they handle him like a school boy...plus he hurt his knee...the fat smuck....who's going to make him the first pick?

SweepeR
01-04-2006, 05:10 PM
anyone have the insider to this to see the mock?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/insider/columns/story?id=2279106&CMP=ILC-INHEAD&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fdraft06%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fid%3d2279106%26CMP%3dILC-INHEAD

Dolfan4life34
01-04-2006, 05:11 PM
id love to see it if anyone has insider

BigDogsHunt
01-04-2006, 05:14 PM
in draft forum

http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?t=117092

eric-in-tx
01-04-2006, 05:15 PM
anyone have the insider to this to see the mock?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/insider/columns/story?id=2279106&CMP=ILC-INHEAD&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fdraft06%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fid%3d2279106%26CMP%3dILC-INHEAD

very expected draft but they have vince young going to the jets..
cutler to the lions
jimmy williams to the 9rs and Michael huff to us

jham81
01-04-2006, 05:17 PM
Dec. 28, 2005 | Make sure to keep a close eye on the top five positional boards for both the juniors and seniors, because I update these ratings every week. At this time of year, these lists are reflective of what I see on film when studying players that particular week. Expect more changes on the senior board after the bowl season concludes. One newcomer this week is Clemson quarterback Charlie Whitehurst, who had a good performance in the Tigers' bowl game against Clemson.

Quarterbacks
1. Matt Leinart (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=120511), USC
2. Jay Cutler (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=115374), Vanderbilt
3. Brodie Croyle (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=128154), Alabama
4. Bruce Eugene (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=111723), Grambling NOT ON OUR RADAR BUT HAS FUTURE POTENTIAL...rated a little too high for my blood

5. Charlie Whitehurst (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=116343), Clemson Underrated...would definitely not mind him in the 2nd or 3rd round

5a. Barrick Nealy (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=120407), Texas State
5b. Darrell Hackney (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=115044), UAB
5c. Brett Basanez (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=116993), Northwestern

Running Backs
1. DeAngelo Williams (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=133410), Memphis
2. Joseph Addai (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=116954), LSU
3. Jerome Harrison (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=164335), Washington State
4. Leon Washington (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=136676), Florida State
5. Andre Hall (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=161640), South Florida
5a. P.J. Daniels (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/insider/columns/%3ca%20href=), Georgia Tech

Fullbacks
1. Lawrence Vickers (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=135575), Colorado
2. J.D. Runnels (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=136704), Oklahoma
3. Matt Bernstein (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=113759), Wisconsin
4. Chris Manderino (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=138327), California
5. David Kirtman (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=120521), USC

Wide Receivers
1. Derek Hagan (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=135276), Arizona State
2. Sinorice Moss (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=133304), Miami
3. Hank Baskett (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=128193), New Mexico
4. Maurice Stovall (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=134738), Notre Dame
5. Brandon Williams (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=133686), Wisconsin
5a. Jeff Webb (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=127712), San Diego State

Tight Ends
1. Marcedes Lewis (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=137177), UCLA
2. Dominique Byrd (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=137031), USC
3. Owen Daniels (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=113746), Wisconsin
4. Joe Klopfenstein (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=135535), Colorado
5. David Thomas (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=135032), Texas

Tackles
1. D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Virginia
2. Ryan O'Callaghan, California
3. Jeremy Trueblood, Boston College
4. Marcus McNeill, Auburn
5. Andrew Whitworth, LSU
5a. Dennis Roland, Georgia

Guards
1. Jason Spitz, Louisville
2. Max Jean-Gilles, Georgia ID TAKE EITHER ONE
3. Taitusi Lutui, USC
4. Kevin Boothe, Cornell
5. Rob Sims, Ohio State
5a. Davin Joseph, Oklahoma
5b. E.J. Whitley, Texas Tech

Centers
1. Nick Mangold, Ohio State
2. Greg Eslinger, Minnesota
3. Ryan Cook, New Mexico
4. Mike Degory, Florida
5. Grayling Love, Arizona State ILL TAKE ANY OF THESE

Place-Kickers
1. Stephen Gostkowski (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=140616), Memphis
2. Josh Huston (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=105947), Ohio State
3. Connor Hughes (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=136337), Virginia
4. Deric Yaussi (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=148450), Wyoming
5. Kurt Smith, Virginia

Defensive Ends
1. Tamba Hali, Penn State
2. Mathias Kiwanuka, Boston College
3. Elvis Dumervil, Louisville i think he is a little overrated
4. Kamerion Wimbley, Florida State
5. Manny Lawson, NC State
5a. Jason Hatcher, Grambling
5b. Charlton Keith, Kansas
5c. Eric Henderson, Georgia Tech

Defensive Tackles
1. Orien Harris, Miami
2. Claude Wroten, LSU
3. Brodrick Bunkley, Florida State
4. Kyle Williams, LSU
5. Titus Adams, Nebraska
5a. Babatunde Oshinowo, Stanford
5b. McKinley Boykin, Ole Miss

Inside Linebackers
1. D'Qwell Jackson, Maryland
2. Abdul Hodge, Iowa
3. Gerris Wilkinson, Georgia Tech
4. Oliver Hoyte, NC State
5. Leon Williams, Miami
5a. Anthony Schlegel, Ohio State

Outside Linebackers
1. A.J. Hawk, Ohio State
2. DeMeco Ryans, Alabama
3. Chad Greenway, Iowa
4. Thomas Howard, UTEP NEVER HEARD OF HIM
5. Cameron Vaughn, LSU
5a. Rocky McIntosh, Miami OVERRATED

5b. A.J. Nicholson, Florida State
5c. Keith Ellison, Oregon State

Cornerbacks
1. Jimmy Williams, Virginia Tech
2. Kelly Jennings, Miami
3. DeMario Minter, Georgia
4. Anwar Phillips, Penn State
5. Jason Allen, Tennessee
5a. Tye Hill, Clemson
5b. Marcus Maxey, Miami
5c. Alan Zemaitis, Penn State
5d. Marcus Hudson, NC State

Safeties
1. Michael Huff, Texas on my watch list
2. Anthony Smith, Syracuse
3. Dwayne Slay, Texas Tech
4. Daniel Bullocks, Nebraska
5. Chris Harrell, Penn State
5a. Greg Blue, Georgia

Punters
1. John Torp, Colorado
2. Steve Weatherford, Illinois
3. Tom Malone, USC
4. Jeff Williams, Adams State (Colo.)
5. Sam Paulescu, Oregon State

BSanders#20
01-04-2006, 05:33 PM
Jham81, I would put Mike Haas, WR OSU & Kellen Clemens, QB Oregon in those top five lists as well...

NaboCane
01-04-2006, 05:36 PM
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nolefin
01-04-2006, 06:07 PM
:dolphins:

kastofsna120
01-04-2006, 06:24 PM
When Grueden coaches players at the senior bowl....and gets the chance to scout them up...it's smart....so what makes you think Saban wasn't doing his own scouting last night? PSU...has many good players...in positions we need.
your point? he's going to scout a bunch of players from a bunch of teams