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feelthepain
01-02-2006, 12:43 AM
I just thought I would enlighten some of you who think they know what kind of QB Aaron Brooks is. I keep reading some of you saying he's inconsistent, and not worth a serious look!!



NOTE: READ THE FRIKIN STATS BEFORE YOU COMMENT!!!



After five seasons in New Orleans (2000-04), Brooks ranks second in club history in every major passing category - including yards (16,274), attempts (2,340), completions (1,323) and touchdowns (107) - and first with an 81.5 passer rating. He has emerged as one of the NFL's top quarterbacks since 2001, with 98 touchdown tosses over that span and over 3,500 yards each season. Brooks has thrown for over 250 yards in a team-record 28 regular season games, and in 30 contests including the playoffs. In 2004, he completed 309-of-542 attempts for 3,810 yards, with 21 touchdowns and 16 interceptions. It was the fourth straight season where he had over 20 touchdown passes and over 3,500 passing yards, with both streaks signifying the best in Saints record books. Since arriving in New Orleans, he has emerged as one of the NFL's top comeback artists by engineering 16 game-winning drives in the fourth quarter or overtime, including five in 2004. Brooks took over as the team leader in 2000 in relief of injured starter Jeff Blake in Week 11 (vs. Oakland, 11/19/00), started the following week and has not missed the opening snap since. Brooks has played in 72 regular-season games with the Saints, including starting the last 69 contests. His 441 passing yards vs. Denver (12/3/00) is the highest single-game total in franchise history, and Brooks is also the only Saints quarterback to rush for over 100 yards in a contest (108 vs. San Francisco, 12/10/00). Last season vs. the Broncos (11/21/04), Brooks set club marks for attempts (60) and completions (34) in a contest.



Now after reading his stats you still think he isn't better then any QB we've had since Marino and isn't worth a look, then I don't know what the heck you people want. He would fit Linehans O perfectly IMO, still young, big arm, excellent speed, big time numbers as a starter. People should do some research before posting or voting on players we need to add to this team.

pwn3dyo
01-02-2006, 12:44 AM
Ive always thought he was "eh" kinda like frerotte/fiedler. I'll pass. I want a good QB, im sick of mediocore.

tylerdolphin
01-02-2006, 12:46 AM
He has the talent, but he makes the most bonehead plays you will ever see. Id probably take my mortal enemy Frerotte back before Brooks

feelthepain
01-02-2006, 12:48 AM
Apparently stats don't prove anything. Sorry to waste your time.

tylerdolphin
01-02-2006, 12:51 AM
I said that he has all the phsical talent in the world. he just doesnt have the mind and the leadership. The other night they said the Saints have been year without a comeback of like 14 points. Thats falls on Brooks. Please dont call me a Gus lover either. Anyone here can tell you that I have no Gus love. And I would really prefer Gus.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133233

Here are some stats for you. Gus is clearly a better QB (I cant believe I just said that...) than Brooks. The guy has 13 TDs and 17 INTs for a 70.0 rating...not a champ by any means

Roman529
01-02-2006, 12:54 AM
ESPN just said Leinart could tell the Saints "I'll Pass," like Eli Manning did with San Diego, in which case the Saints are screwed....I know that Brooks numbers look pretty good but he is just like Vick....too many fumbles, bad throws at bad times, and you have to figure Brooks is mentally damaged from all those Saints losses over the years.

Agua
01-02-2006, 12:55 AM
Apparently stats don't prove anything. Sorry to waste your time.
They don't. Looking at Brooks stats is what fools many people. You have to watch him play to appreciate how awful the guy is.

Urlithani
01-02-2006, 12:55 AM
I think he makes bad decisions because of bad coaching and the Saints organization.

I think he could do much better if he was better coached because he has developed a lot of bad habits.

I'm not into salvage operations so I say no, however.

Alex44
01-02-2006, 01:00 AM
Brooks is a very good borderline Great QB

every season he started everygame he put up 3500 yards or more except this year when he put up 2800 but you cant really blame him for that with all the things happening around him

2 years he made it above 3800 yards


He is a 7 year Pro He didnt start his first year, started 5 games year two

I dont see how people can talk bad about a guy that has played very well through his career on a bad team

Regan21286
01-02-2006, 01:01 AM
Stats aren't everything. This isn't a fantasy football team. Brooks is too erratic and makes too many boneheaded throws.

feelthepain
01-02-2006, 01:06 AM
They don't. Looking at Brooks stats is what fools many people. You have to watch him play to appreciate how awful the guy is.


Ok show me a better option then Brooks, excluding rookies, because they aren't better options. Their won't be one QB avalible to the fins with better NFL stats this year.

Agua
01-02-2006, 01:08 AM
Ok show me a better option then Brooks, excluding rookies, because they aren't better options. Their won't be one QB avalible to the fins with better NFL stats this year.
Keeping sucky Gus is a better option than Brooks. Period. You haven't watched him play, aside from highlight clips, have you?

Alex44
01-02-2006, 01:09 AM
Stats aren't everything. This isn't a fantasy football team. Brooks is too erratic and makes too many boneheaded throws.


yes he makes so many bad decisions that he has thrown

120 TD's to 84 INT's career

Thats a pretty good TD to INT ratio

NewEra8
01-02-2006, 01:09 AM
1 word.... Atlanta....

Agua
01-02-2006, 01:10 AM
yes he makes so many bad decisions that he has thrown

120 TD's to 84 INT's career

Thats a pretty good TD to INT ratio

He goes on huge streaks, good and bad, within the same game even. He doesn't know how to play within himself, like many QBs.

Alex44
01-02-2006, 01:12 AM
He goes on huge streaks, good and bad, within the same game even. He doesn't know how to play within himself, like many QBs.


You think that may have to do with

His terrible coaching, Terrible O-line, Lack of a # 2 WR, No TE threat catching, and a terrible defense that puts him in holes early?

PhinFan0202
01-02-2006, 01:13 AM
I think he makes bad decisions because of bad coaching and the Saints organization.

I think he could do much better if he was better coached because he has developed a lot of bad habits.

I'm not into salvage operations so I say no, however.

Ditto. Haslett is the Wanny of the NFC. If Aaron Brooks did have a good coaching staff around him i see no reason why he couldn't start for us.

feelthepain
01-02-2006, 01:19 AM
He goes on huge streaks, good and bad, within the same game even. He doesn't know how to play within himself, like many QBs.


Has he played in our system?? No!! You don't know what he could do on this team and if you want to be picky, I could find bad things to say about nearly every QB in the league. Stop being ridiculous. If you don't like him that's fine, but stop saying he did this, he did that and trying to use that as logic while ignoring every good stat the guy has, it seems a little bias to me. We don't have a lot of options.

Agua
01-02-2006, 01:31 AM
That's funny. You haven't seen him play, have you?

Alex44
01-02-2006, 01:33 AM
Ive seen him play probally more than all of you guys I download games on my computer so I have like 20 or 30 Aaron Brooks games, some he won some he lost

He isnt nearly as bad as you guys make him sound

phinfan13
01-02-2006, 02:06 AM
Ok show me a better option then Brooks, excluding rookies, because they aren't better options. Their won't be one QB avalible to the fins with better NFL stats this year.
This may be a wild thought, but is there any chance we could get Brees?

DeathStar
01-02-2006, 02:12 AM
HE SUCKS.

id rather have gus starting next year than brooks on this team.

and everyone knows i hate gus.

Regan21286
01-02-2006, 02:13 AM
yes he makes so many bad decisions that he has thrown

120 TD's to 84 INT's career

Thats a pretty good TD to INT ratio


You think that may have to do with

His terrible coaching, Terrible O-line, Lack of a # 2 WR, No TE threat catching, and a terrible defense that puts him in holes early?

That TD to INT ratio's been dipping each season. And following big games with bad games isn't really consistency you want in a starter. But I guess maybe that's related to coaching since we've seen that with Wanny. I don't think his OL has been that terrible sans this year. He's going to Atlanta if he's cut. Vick has enough leverage to make it so. He'd be a fine backup here but not really as starter if he keeps putting up multiple Int games.

nolefin
01-02-2006, 02:23 AM
i thought brooks was ok until he threw a pass the wrong way! he just does dumb things, he has talent maybe saban can help him??

Alex44
01-02-2006, 02:25 AM
That TD to INT ratio's been dipping each season. And following big games with bad games isn't really consistency you want in a starter. But I guess maybe that's related to coaching since we've seen that with Wanny. I don't think his OL has been that terrible sans this year. He's going to Atlanta if he's cut. Vick has enough leverage to make it so. He'd be a fine backup here but not really as starter if he keeps putting up multiple Int games.


The only season it really dipped was this year when he played poorly

He probally will go to atlanta but if there is a starting job open Id expect him to take that

unifiedtheory
01-02-2006, 02:36 AM
I'll pass on Brooks. He makes terrible decisions, is not a leader, is not a winner and generally plays with zero emotion.

To me it seems like is just out there for the paycheck.

lazareth
01-02-2006, 02:41 AM
This may be a wild thought, but is there any chance we could get Brees?

Speaking of which...remember how bad Brees was until his breakout season? He was a bottom-of-the-list QB (about same rank as Gus is now).

Ricas_000
01-02-2006, 02:57 AM
He's very inconsistent

finfansince72
01-02-2006, 05:38 AM
Theres no question that Brooks is an upgrade over Frerotte, and I dont like Brooks. Im not saying to pick him up but if its between the two Id take Brooks. Frerotte is terrible and has no chance whatsoever to be good, at least Brooks could be good if he would stop making mistakes. Look at Plummer this year, it can happen.
Brooks is the only saint Qb to ever win a playoff game, that makes him like the Joe Namath of the Saints.
I really, REALLY hope that neither Brooks or Frerotte are starting for us next year. Id look for Brooks to end up in Arizona.

ohiohurricane
01-02-2006, 10:40 AM
I'd love to get Brooks, I think that he wouldn't be too pricey and he has excelled in the NFL. GTrue, he's been inconsistent, and has made some dumb throws, but the Saints don't have much around him.
I love the comment of Haslett being the Wanny of the NFC, I though Haslett should have been fired 3 years ago, he is terrible.

feelthepain
01-02-2006, 12:58 PM
I'll pass on Brooks. He makes terrible decisions, is not a leader, is not a winner and generally plays with zero emotion.

To me it seems like is just out there for the paycheck.


How does Brooks have the kind of numbers he has if he's a terrible decision maker?? That makes no sense at all. Take off your Leinart glasses and put on your reality of who's avalible to the fins glasses.

Metal Panda
01-02-2006, 05:52 PM
I don’t think anybody thinks Aaron Brooks ‘sucks’. He doesn’t. However, leadership is something he lacks and he often makes stupid decisions.



People can argue all they want that a new system would help him—I fail to believe that all of his faults and mistakes fall squarely on the shoulder of his coaching staff.



Ask yourselves this—are you confident enough in Saban’s ability to change Brooks that you’d bring him over? I don’t know that I am. I wouldn’t mind taking a look at Schaub, but the book has pretty much been written on Brooks right now and he has made no strides to change.

Metal Panda
01-02-2006, 05:54 PM
How does Brooks have the kind of numbers he has if he's a terrible decision maker?? That makes no sense at all. Take off your Leinart glasses and put on your reality of who's avalible to the fins glasses.

Because you're blinded by the numbers.

Let's say a quarterback goes 17 for 30 for 250 yards and throws 2 tds, and one interception. Looks great, right?

What if the interception was thrown in the red zone and was returned for a touchdown? What if most of that yardage was thrown in garbage time after the team fell behind 21 points?

The fact is, statistics don't tell you anything until you remove them from their raw data, and even then you cannot make any real statement until you've watched game tape.

PressCoverage
01-02-2006, 07:33 PM
How does Brooks have the kind of numbers he has if he's a terrible decision maker?? That makes no sense at all. Take off your Leinart glasses and put on your reality of who's avalible to the fins glasses.

yeah, and why are you being so adamant and condescending about it?

Aaron Brooks is nothing special at all... in big games, he's consistently been a loser... with abyssmal numbers at times and no real sense of urgency... he's a fumbler, and makes horrific throws in key spots...