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jon19
01-04-2006, 06:33 AM
Trade it and get a 2nd and 3rd rounders...So we pick up Carpenter (great leader and what a beast) and Cromartie (the best CB in the nation...Trust me...he almost single handedly beat miami two years ago). With our other third we could pick up Ernie Sims (another beast and steal).

MexDolfan
01-04-2006, 06:39 AM
That may work, but wait and see what Saban will repair before draft day, it's too soon to know our real needing, because our GM and our coach will work harder than ever to imporve many positons in FA.
Of course that some trade like the one you're pointing is very near of what Saban likes to do.

Alex44
01-04-2006, 06:41 AM
That would probally not be smart

We can get an even better LB or guy in the secondary round 1 and still have a second round pick, they good players but there is no way we should be tradeing out of the first round unless we get an amazing deal

acmeanvil49
01-04-2006, 06:51 AM
Anybody think Vince Young will last until #16?

ih8brady
01-04-2006, 06:53 AM
Anybody think Vince Young will last until #16?

I wouldn't want him, although he probably will be taken not until late 1st.

acmeanvil49
01-04-2006, 07:03 AM
Really?

I think he's further along that Vick was coming into the NFL.

Size, speed, strength nice arm, what's not to like.

Let him sit behind a vet for a year and learn, he'll be ready.

dlockz
01-04-2006, 07:10 AM
i have seen mocks with him going top 10. We should not trade our first until possibly on clock.

Bopkin02
01-04-2006, 07:19 AM
Several mocks I've seen having going #3 to the Titans.

Finfanforever
01-04-2006, 07:22 AM
The ONLY way I would do that is if we miss out on Cutler. At that point it may make since to trade down in the 1st but not out of the 1st. To give up your 1st for a 2nd and 3rd is NOT equal value...NO THANKS.

ih8brady
01-04-2006, 07:49 AM
The ONLY way I would do that is if we miss out on Cutler. At that point it may make since to trade down in the 1st but not out of the 1st. To give up your 1st for a 2nd and 3rd is NOT equal value...NO THANKS.

I was thinking the same thing. 1st>2nd and 3rd. Now maybe two 2nds and a later pick or trading down a few spots for an extra first day pick.

finmann
01-04-2006, 08:02 AM
I've been wondering this for months (Saban trading down for additional draft picks),however at least two 2nds and a 3rd seems like good compensation for the 16th pick.

Al13
01-04-2006, 08:10 AM
Anybody think Vince Young will last until #16?


i have seen a scenario on nfl.com where they talk about the top 5 picks and he goes on 3 after bush and leinart to the titans

BlueFin
01-04-2006, 08:14 AM
No way we should trade that pick until your on the clock, thats how you miss out on special players.

finfan54
01-04-2006, 08:21 AM
I wouldn't want him, although he probably will be taken not until late 1st.


Luv your sig and pics and all but my my my, you are way off on Vince Young. He is prime beef right next to REggie Bush and better than Leinert. You will see.

finfan54
01-04-2006, 08:23 AM
You only trade down a few spots to pick up another 2nd rounder and that would be based on getting a guy that Saban covets that he knows is lower on everyones board. think Tim Bowens when he was not on anyones radar and we dropped a few spots and got our guy with an extra pick.

Schleprock
01-04-2006, 08:55 AM
I wouldn't want him, although he probably will be taken not until late 1st.
WTH! Where do some of you people pull these statements? Oh, i know, from your own personal bias.

Vince Young is more advanced at this stage in his career than Vick was when he was drafted. Vince Young won't last outside the top 5. If he beats Leinart tonight and declares, he'll be picked ahead of Leinart, book it.

Alex44
01-04-2006, 08:57 AM
Anybody think Vince Young will last until #16?


No way but I hope so


Mark my words when its all said and done Vince Young will be the best player in this draft and one of the best QB's in the recent NFL

Schleprock
01-04-2006, 09:08 AM
No way but I hope so


Mark my words when its all said and done Vince Young will be the best player in this draft and one of the best QB's in the recent NFL
Ok, lets not go homer crazy on this now.

Finfanforever
01-04-2006, 09:09 AM
Is this a Vince Young thread????

Alex44
01-04-2006, 09:16 AM
Ok, lets not go homer crazy on this now.


I live in Miami and am a UM fan how am I a homer :confused:

Up untill I saw VY play I didnt even care about Texas.....but he is amazing and I love to watch him play

Schleprock
01-04-2006, 09:32 AM
I live in Miami and am a UM fan how am I a homer :confused:

Up untill I saw VY play I didnt even care about Texas.....but he is amazing and I love to watch him play
exactly, big fan opinions = homeristic point of view that cannot be considered fair and balanced.

Alex44
01-04-2006, 09:35 AM
exactly, big fan opinions = homeristic point of view that cannot be considered fair and balanced.


But Im a fan because of his play not anything else, so when I talk about his play thats from me not being a homer

4evaFinz
01-04-2006, 10:01 AM
I was always a believer in stockkign up in 2nd and 3rd RD picks. Unless of course there is someone you can not pass up on at your pick in the 1st RD.

kastofsna120
01-04-2006, 10:04 AM
Really?

I think he's further along that Vick was coming into the NFL.

Size, speed, strength nice arm, what's not to like.

Let him sit behind a vet for a year and learn, he'll be ready.
one thing not to like is his awful decision-making and inability to throw under pressure. plus he's a big baby

vick is a lot better, and he sucks

finsnchips
01-04-2006, 10:16 AM
Vince Young will be a top 10 pick if he comes out.

kastofsna120
01-04-2006, 11:01 AM
If he beats Leinart tonight and declares, he'll be picked ahead of Leinart, book it.
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Alex44
01-04-2006, 11:04 AM
one thing not to like is his awful decision-making and inability to throw under pressure. plus he's a big baby

vick is a lot better, and he sucks

Vick doesnt suck he just needs to stop buying into all the hype and actually work on his game, he has all the talent in the world and believe it or not he has the arm


Big Baby? :lol: He is the toughest competitor on the field come game time and he is a leader, and what awful decisons? The ones that led his team to be 12-0?

NJFINSFAN1
01-04-2006, 11:07 AM
Just my thoughts! But Cutler will be a better pro down the line then both ML and Young!

ckparrothead
01-04-2006, 11:28 AM
Just because someone proposes we trade down doesn't mean he's saying we should do it right now. These things never usually happen until you're actually on the clock (unless your name is Terry Bradway or Daniel Snyder).

Overall if Hawk, Ryans, and Greenway are off the board by #16, I don't see all that many compelling reasons to stay at #16. If Jimmy Williams or Mario Williams is still on the board...then obviously that changes things. If the staff becomes true believers in Eric Winston, Marcus McNeil, or Winston Justice...maybe that keeps them at 16 but otherwise I see no compelling reasons to stay. I mean, why stay at 16 if Ryans, Greenway, and Hawk are gone (and lets suppose Cutler is gone too)?

At OT you'd have a shot at Winston Justice, Eric Winston, or Marcus McNeil...whichever of the three grades highest probably will be gone already. That probably means McNeil. At QB there's nobody left. We probably decide now isn't a great time to invest a 1st in a WR, TE, RB, MLB, or DE/OLB. The compelling leftovers are Michael Huff and Laron Landry, maybe Claude Wroten or Rod Wright, the OTs, and that's it. None of those guys pop out to me as guys we need to get at 16. Huff should go at 16, but if Huff grades at 16 and Landry grades lower, why not trade lower and shoot for Landry? He could start and be the secondary's signal caller immediately as a rookie. Most teams pay their rookies for a year to sit the bench and not do a whole lot (ehem, Roth). We'd be paying Landry to play the same way he did at LSU under Nick. As for Wroten and Wright, are they that much better than Bunkley or is it that unlikely that we'd miss out on them if we traded lower? Heck do we even really want them, since Kyle Williams is really the guy at LSU that plays the NT position where we need depth?

IMO, its going to break down this way. I don't think Houck is going to make the decision that he wants a first round OT. Maybe 2nd or 3rd, but not 1st. Mario and Jimmy Williams are fantastic talents that SHOULD NOT fall, but if they do, they're immediately on our board. AJ Hawk will be gone. The chances of him falling to us at 16 are about as great as Leinart falling to us at 16. Demeco Ryans and Chad Greenway are linebacker talents that stack up with any linebacker taken in the draft over the last 10 years (excluding only Arrington), so they would be worth it. Jay Cutler's a wild card just because I don't know what those coaches really think of drafting a QB at #16. So, in the end I see us taking Mario Williams, Jimmy Williams, Demeco Ryans, Chad Greenway, Jay Cutler, trading down, Laron Landry, or Michael Huff...in that order.

Danny
01-04-2006, 12:14 PM
Just because someone proposes we trade down doesn't mean he's saying we should do it right now. These things never usually happen until you're actually on the clock (unless your name is Terry Bradway or Daniel Snyder).

Overall if Hawk, Ryans, and Greenway are off the board by #16, I don't see all that many compelling reasons to stay at #16. If Jimmy Williams or Mario Williams is still on the board...then obviously that changes things. If the staff becomes true believers in Eric Winston, Marcus McNeil, or Winston Justice...maybe that keeps them at 16 but otherwise I see no compelling reasons to stay. I mean, why stay at 16 if Ryans, Greenway, and Hawk are gone (and lets suppose Cutler is gone too)?

At OT you'd have a shot at Winston Justice, Eric Winston, or Marcus McNeil...whichever of the three grades highest probably will be gone already. That probably means McNeil. At QB there's nobody left. We probably decide now isn't a great time to invest a 1st in a WR, TE, RB, MLB, or DE/OLB. The compelling leftovers are Michael Huff and Laron Landry, maybe Claude Wroten or Rod Wright, the OTs, and that's it. None of those guys pop out to me as guys we need to get at 16. Huff should go at 16, but if Huff grades at 16 and Landry grades lower, why not trade lower and shoot for Landry? He could start and be the secondary's signal caller immediately as a rookie. Most teams pay their rookies for a year to sit the bench and not do a whole lot (ehem, Roth). We'd be paying Landry to play the same way he did at LSU under Nick. As for Wroten and Wright, are they that much better than Bunkley or is it that unlikely that we'd miss out on them if we traded lower? Heck do we even really want them, since Kyle Williams is really the guy at LSU that plays the NT position where we need depth?

IMO, its going to break down this way. I don't think Houck is going to make the decision that he wants a first round OT. Maybe 2nd or 3rd, but not 1st. Mario and Jimmy Williams are fantastic talents that SHOULD NOT fall, but if they do, they're immediately on our board. AJ Hawk will be gone. The chances of him falling to us at 16 are about as great as Leinart falling to us at 16. Demeco Ryans and Chad Greenway are linebacker talents that stack up with any linebacker taken in the draft over the last 10 years (excluding only Arrington), so they would be worth it. Jay Cutler's a wild card just because I don't know what those coaches really think of drafting a QB at #16. So, in the end I see us taking Mario Williams, Jimmy Williams, Demeco Ryans, Chad Greenway, Jay Cutler, trading down, Laron Landry, or Michael Huff...in that order.
Man, I don't know how you get the time for your posts but I really enjoy them.I agree with most of it too.I like Greenway better than Ryan cos he's bigger and that should be better in Nick's defence.Other than Ngata, I'd not go DT in round one...there's a few good ones that should be there in round 2 if Nick wants one.I actually like Bing better than Landry cos he's a bigger hitter/player but will not mind Landry for the reasons you listed.Mario Williams should be gone top 10.....Jimmy Williams scares me a little bit cos I'm not sure if he'll be a corner or a safety and that's a bit of a project for a 1st rounder imo.

In the end, Greenway's the pick if he's there unless they want Cutler and he's still on the board.Other than that,a LT is very posible tho I'd think that can wait till the 2nd round.

Very hard to predict what we'll do but trading down is an option.

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