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Itsdahumidity
01-05-2006, 10:47 AM
Absolutely disgusting! Yes his story was unique this year, but S. Smith had a MVP type season. And if anything Ricky performed much better on the field than ol teddy. Damn nfl, can't even hide your favoritism. :shakeno:


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2280984

GRAPEAPE
01-05-2006, 10:51 AM
I wish they would just pick one guy. Bruschi's comeback is amazing, but he made nowhere near the impact that Steve Smith did in his comeback. Smith should have been the recipient hands down.

Ohio Fanatic
01-05-2006, 10:51 AM
Absolutely disgusting! Yes his story was unique this year, but S. Smith had a MVP type season. And if anything Ricky performed much better on the field than ol teddy. Damn nfl, can't even hide your favoritism. :shakeno:


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2280984

Christ, knock it off.:shakeno: Ricky was suspended from football for drugs. I love Ricky right now, but in no way does he deserve to be nominated for this award. what a stupid thread.

Pocoloco
01-05-2006, 11:00 AM
Christ, knock it off.:shakeno: Ricky was suspended from football for drugs. I love Ricky right now, but in no way does he deserve to be nominated for this award. what a stupid thread.

I totally agree. Ricky was going to be suspended for the season for his drug use, and then he suddenly quit on his team. What he did was dishonorable (although I thank him for helping to dump Wanny). There's no way you elevate Ricky over Smith or Bruschi for that, absolutely no way.

UCFinfan86
01-05-2006, 11:06 AM
Bruschi doesn't deserve the award, a couple of tackles and a few sacks makes you come back player of the year? Steve Smith was the best WR in football this year. I sort of take it as an insult to smith, and as someone else said, favortism to the patriots, have to get the patriots some love whenever they can.

LarryFinFan
01-05-2006, 11:07 AM
Brushci's comeback from such a serious issue was amazing, but his season was not an MVP type season. He didn't throw all the TD passes that Brady did to propel his team when they couldn't much of anything right on D...that's a miscarriage of justice...but whadda ya gonna do ?? The NFL wants the pub....

MikeyGPhinFan
01-05-2006, 11:09 AM
Ricky's doing great and im glad he's back . . but no way should he get an award for a comeback . .

Itsdahumidity
01-05-2006, 11:09 AM
Hey Pocoloco & Ohio Fanatic how about reading my post again and tell me where does it state that Ricky should win the award over Smith?

Knock it off? Please. If you strongly disagree with a post and/or thread simply don't reply.

Ricky coming back from suspension, missing a year and performing well is a top story. It doesn't matter the circumstances of his suspension (some of you "Ricky quit on us" jilted fans need to let it go)

Read posts more carefully next time.

burger13
01-05-2006, 11:10 AM
I'm pleased that they at least split the award with Steve Smith.

it seemed a forgone conclusion that Bruschi would get the award, despite Smith being 10x more deserving.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that this is the first time in which a player won this award and had WORSE numbers than the year before!!

Lederhosen
01-05-2006, 11:16 AM
Media and people just love white overachieving linebackers, I wonder if he was black if people loved "Bruscetta" just the same.....:confused:

UCFinfan86
01-05-2006, 11:18 AM
Media and people just love white overachieving linebackers, I wonder if he was black if people loved "Bruscetta" just the same.....:confused:

Get outta here with all that race crap, im sick of all that ****

Itsdahumidity
01-05-2006, 11:21 AM
Get outta here with all that race crap, im sick of all that ****

I agree, there's no place for that.

PassRush
01-05-2006, 11:21 AM
This is the first I am hearing about this and it is astonishing. Yes, Bruschi made a comeback from something that could have taken his life and he risks it all again to play football. He had a great season but Smith was an absolute beast, by far the best reciever in the league this year. Regardless of what Rickys situation was, I dont think he was deserving. I do believe that if Ricky put up beastly numbers he would have won even with his situation

UltraDol-Fan
01-05-2006, 11:26 AM
I can see why it was split between Smith and Bruschi. Teddy's comeback was spectacular, just not in an on the field way.

Sethworld
01-05-2006, 11:28 AM
Get outta here with all that race crap, im sick of all that ****

Unfortunately race does play a major role is the NFL and must be considered. I really wish it was something that wasn't an issue, but unfortunately that isn't the world we all live in.

UCFinfan86
01-05-2006, 11:31 AM
Unfortunately race does play a major role is the NFL and must be considered. I really wish it was something that wasn't an issue, but unfortunately that isn't the world we all live in.

it might, but the dude was saying that we are praising him for being white, ok well then all the black people praise vick because he is the "stereotype" black man.

I support who i liek with no race. my favorite player OG is well mixed i think :confused: , but Minor is my 2nd fav. I don't liek someone just because they are white or black.

painnotpleasure
01-05-2006, 01:18 PM
Congratulations to Bruschi and all but Comeback Players of the Year in my mind is and should be soley Steve Smith. I would think Mark Brunell would be on my list next, not Bruschi.

Dolfan984
01-05-2006, 02:58 PM
1)Steve Smith
2)Mark Brunell
3)Ricky Williams
4)Teddy Bruschi

That's my top 4 comeback players. Bruschi winning it is almost as bad as Flutie winning special teams player of the week.

kastofsna120
01-05-2006, 02:59 PM
i'm surprised bruschi didn't win it outright. no one deserved it more than smith

Flying Pencil
01-05-2006, 04:02 PM
They didn't just select Smith and Bruschi. Each had 18 votes from a panel of 50 sportswriters and broadcasters. Brunell had 6, Kyle Vanden Bosch 5, Roy Williams (Detroit), Joey Galloway, and Koren Robinson each had 1. I have far more problems with the back end of the list than the front. Getting votes for A Comeback from Sucking and A Comeback From a Minor Injury in Your Rookie Year are far more egregious.

Roy Williams? Roy ****ing Williams?

gonick1
01-05-2006, 04:18 PM
Absolutely disgusting! Yes his story was unique this year, but S. Smith had a MVP type season. And if anything Ricky performed much better on the field than ol teddy. Damn nfl, can't even hide your favoritism. :shakeno:


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2280984

sorry man din'nt mean to hi-jack your thread I'm only appollogisein' cuz I hate it when it happens to me, ya beat me by 10 min. so again sorry!

kastofsna120
01-05-2006, 04:29 PM
how the hell did roy williams get a vote? he was better last year! wtf :lol:

painnotpleasure
01-05-2006, 04:49 PM
Media and people just love white overachieving linebackers, I wonder if he was black if people loved "Bruscetta" just the same.....:confused:Bruschi co-won the award because of his miraculous come back after having a stroke last year, this has nothing to do about race nor should it.

Amars
01-05-2006, 06:06 PM
this award is for injury comeback i think

wazzy
01-05-2006, 06:11 PM
Steve Smith should of got it an only Steve Smith. I think its great what Bruschi accomplished but even he knows he doesn't deserve this award IMO!

painnotpleasure
01-05-2006, 07:30 PM
this award is for injury comeback i thinkBut Drew Brees won it last year, I'm still not sure why.

ffphin
01-05-2006, 10:04 PM
First off we all know that Ricky doesn't deserve it and that Smith should have won that out right. Brushi did absoulutly nothing this year!! Yes it is amazing that he came back congrates for him. The NFL gave him the DPOW his first week back inwhich he had, i think, 6 tackles! :shakeno: Smith won it in my eyes!!

ih8brady
01-06-2006, 01:43 PM
First off we all know that Ricky doesn't deserve it and that Smith should have won that out right. Brushi did absoulutly nothing this year!! Yes it is amazing that he came back congrates for him. The NFL gave him the DPOW his first week back inwhich he had, i think, 6 tackles! :shakeno: Smith won it in my eyes!!

exactly!!! Bruschi came back and his play wasn't nearly as impressive as it was before his stroke, and he was never that good to begin with. Did you see the clowns on NFL Live on ESPN last night? They were talking about each team's "X-factor": the player who made the biggest impact on leading his team to the playoffs. Guess who was the "x-factor" for New England? Teddy Bruschi! And these two guys, hands to god, were fawning him with a unison "love him" said like the two gay guys from In Living Color. They went on to claim he was the reason for the Patriots success and was a great, great player and a dominant LB. :shakeno:


Check out Jack Lambert's HOF quality stats:
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/3189

Metal Panda
01-06-2006, 09:21 PM
Absolutely disgusting! Yes his story was unique this year, but S. Smith had a MVP type season. And if anything Ricky performed much better on the field than ol teddy. Damn nfl, can't even hide your favoritism. :shakeno:


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2280984

Please. Explain to me how Ricky should have even been in the running for a "Comeback Player of the Year" award, which, no matter how vague it is, is typically supposed to reward someone who came back from something, either concrete, like an injury, mental illness, or something that hindered their play and left their futures in doubt, or something abstract, like rebounding from poor seasons (like Drew Brees) or adversity.

Ricky Williams LEFT THE TEAM voluntarily, still with a lot of gas left in his tank, and returned the same back he pretty much was when he left (not saying he hasn't improved over how he was in 2003, but he was not a bad back then either).

I don't see how he should have garnered any votes.

As far as Teddy Bruschi, please keep in mind the award isn't titled "OMG PLAYER WHO STOPPED PLAYING BUT RETURNED AND HAD MOST YARDS AND MOST BANG BANG AND MOST GUSTO WHEN HE PLAYED", it's comeback player of the year. I'm guessing some voters thought returned from a stroke was more impressive, and some thought returning from a debiliating injury and putting up near MVP numbers was more impressive. Personally I'd go more with the former, but I'm not inclined to insult people who vote for the latter.

ih8brady
01-06-2006, 10:52 PM
Please. Explain to me how Ricky should have even been in the running for a "Comeback Player of the Year" award, which, no matter how vague it is, is typically supposed to reward someone who came back from something, either concrete, like an injury, mental illness, or something that hindered their play and left their futures in doubt, or something abstract, like rebounding from poor seasons (like Drew Brees) or adversity.

Ricky Williams LEFT THE TEAM voluntarily, still with a lot of gas left in his tank, and returned the same back he pretty much was when he left (not saying he hasn't improved over how he was in 2003, but he was not a bad back then either).

I don't see how he should have garnered any votes.

As far as Teddy Bruschi, please keep in mind the award isn't titled "OMG PLAYER WHO STOPPED PLAYING BUT RETURNED AND HAD MOST YARDS AND MOST BANG BANG AND MOST GUSTO WHEN HE PLAYED", it's comeback player of the year. I'm guessing some voters thought returned from a stroke was more impressive, and some thought returning from a debiliating injury and putting up near MVP numbers was more impressive. Personally I'd go more with the former, but I'm not inclined to insult people who vote for the latter.

First, Ricky was mentally ill.
2nd, if its about severity of what they're recovering from and not production, why didn't Robert Edwards get it a few years ago? Maddox got it instead.

anditsgood
01-06-2006, 11:16 PM
Please. Explain to me how Ricky should have even been in the running for a "Comeback Player of the Year" award, which, no matter how vague it is, is typically supposed to reward someone who came back from something, either concrete, like an injury, mental illness, or something that hindered their play and left their futures in doubt, or something abstract, like rebounding from poor seasons (like Drew Brees) or adversity.

Ricky Williams LEFT THE TEAM voluntarily, still with a lot of gas left in his tank, and returned the same back he pretty much was when he left (not saying he hasn't improved over how he was in 2003, but he was not a bad back then either).

I don't see how he should have garnered any votes.

As far as Teddy Bruschi, please keep in mind the award isn't titled "OMG PLAYER WHO STOPPED PLAYING BUT RETURNED AND HAD MOST YARDS AND MOST BANG BANG AND MOST GUSTO WHEN HE PLAYED", it's comeback player of the year. I'm guessing some voters thought returned from a stroke was more impressive, and some thought returning from a debiliating injury and putting up near MVP numbers was more impressive. Personally I'd go more with the former, but I'm not inclined to insult people who vote for the latter.

Im with you on this rob

you really cant complain about either/both awards

Metal Panda
01-07-2006, 03:09 AM
First, Ricky was mentally ill.
2nd, if its about severity of what they're recovering from and not production, why didn't Robert Edwards get it a few years ago? Maddox got it instead.

You can use the generic "mentally ill" umbrella all you want. Everybody knows Ricky Williams has social anxiety disorder. While social anxiety is not something to take lightly, it isn't exactly in the same league as schizophrenia (which is NOT a multiple personality disorder, contrary to popular belief) or bi-polar disorder. If a regular Joe Schmoe was to say he had it, people would say "Who cares?" But when Ricky Williams has it, oh, it's a big deal. A lot of people have it. It's estimated that between 7.9-10.5% of the entire US population has it.

It was no secret Ricky had trouble dealing with the pressures of NFL stardom and football. Nonetheless, he still left on his own volition, and nonetheless, merely stating something is due to "mental illness" does not necessarily excuse it either. Moreso, he didn't come to the team with his problems, made them believe he would be with them during the season, and abandoned them on the eve of training camp. No matter how you try to rationalize that, it is not activity that should be rewarded with a special recognition award. At all.

I'm familiar with mental illness, being that my degree was in Psychology. However, people shouldn't just get free passes because they're mentally ill. Ricky stopped taking his medication for his mental illness ages ago.