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dolphan39
12-11-2001, 01:31 AM
I know we just won 41-6, but I just read this...at http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/pasquarelli_len/1291502.html



Given the miserable condition of their ground game, the Miami Dolphins have turned more to the pass in recent weeks, and quarterback Jay Fiedler is averaging nearly six attempts more per game in the past month than he did previously. That said, the team isn't quite ready to commit yet to Fiedler as their quarterback for the future. There have been no substantive negotiations by the Dolphins for a contract extension with Fiedler. The team's starting signal-caller has reached enough predetermined performance benchmarks to void the 2002 season of his original contract with the team and become a free agent. But there is a catch: The Dolphins retain a right of first refusal, can match any offer to Fiedler, and are skeptical any team is going to pay him something that would make Miami really have to think hard. There will be some mid-level quarterbacks like Gus Frerotte and Trent Dilfer in the free agent market next spring, and the Dolphins coaches are still intrigued by Ray Lucas' athleticism. Offensive coordinator Chan Gailey loves quarterbacks who have at least a little mobility. The upshot is that Fiedler probably will be back in Miami in 2002, but no one is in a hurry to get anything done right now, and the Dolphins are so pushed against the cap they wouldn't be able to make a proposal anyway. By the way, sources noted that Henry Taylor, the young defensive tackle signed this week by Miami, is in essence the subject of a one-week audition. If he doesn't show much by next week, the Dolphins probably will sign a veteran, either Tim Morabito or Tom Barndt, both of whom worked out in Miami this week.

Jaydog57
12-11-2001, 02:11 AM
Yeah, I think Fiedler will be back next year, especially if he continues like he has the last couple of weeks. As long as he stays consistent, 'cause he makes me :goof: otherwise.

dolfan06
12-11-2001, 04:39 AM
jay either looks bad or very good. maybe efficient is a better word! :evil:

dolphan39
12-12-2001, 02:09 PM
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-marvezqa.htmlstory



Q: What will it take for the Dolphins to extend Jay Fiedler's contract? Will he get huge money now? Kyle B., Davie, FL

A: Fiedler can opt out of his contract and become an unrestricted free agent at season’s end, but the Dolphins would have the right of first refusal on any deal he lands elsewhere. The Dolphins are so strapped against the salary cap that a deal probably wouldn’t be finalized until February at the earliest. Also, as well as Fiedler has played the past three weeks, the rest of the season will determine whether he is the Dolphins’ quarterback of the future

FinsOnTop
12-12-2001, 10:14 PM
Let him leave.

What has he done the past 3 weeks. Let's look at this.

Buffalo - nice 4th quarter but what about the other 3. And don't forget Gadsen knocking away a game-ending interception in the endzone to keep us alive.

Denver. One drive for a TD. The other 2 TD's came off an interception returned for a TD and a fumble recovery inside the 10.

Indy. Well we know about their defense. Plus several short-fields due to Colt turnovers and Lamar rushes for over 100.

Jay's a timebomb and he's set to implode during the playoffs.

Dajesus
12-12-2001, 10:22 PM
I'm not big on Fiedler either, but you have to give credit where it is due. The only thing the Miami Dolphins qb is asked to do is not turn the ball over and keep the other team w/bad field postion. Feidler has done that the past 3 weeks very nicely. As they proved in Denver and in Buffalo if you don't give the game away, and still have a shot in the 4th they will win. I think mainly b/c you have to be in better shape to deal w/training camp in S Florida. If we went out and got a qb that could win every game w/his arm in would compromise our d. Ask Baltimore about that.

FinsOnTop
12-12-2001, 10:28 PM
Yeah but Fiedler's going to be asking for 4-5 million a year and I say we can play safe-ball with a 1-2 million dollar QB. So let him go if the price is not to our liking.

iceblizzard69
12-12-2001, 10:53 PM
I am not a fan of Jay Fiedler, although he has been great in the last three. He hasn't turned the ball over, which is key. But we haven't exactly gone up against the strongest defenses, either. I wanna see how he does this week against San Francisco, whose defense has been good so far this season.

Dolfan984
12-12-2001, 10:56 PM
We hold our judgement on him until the next two weeks are over okay? :)

Flyin11
12-12-2001, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by FinsOnTop
Yeah but Fiedler's going to be asking for 4-5 million a year and I say we can play safe-ball with a 1-2 million dollar QB. So let him go if the price is not to our liking.

I second that...If he leaves give Lucas or Mcnown the shot :evil:

dolfan06
12-13-2001, 04:54 AM
getting. and he's thrown a ton of INT's. sh!t happens! :D

dolphan39
12-13-2001, 05:05 AM
Originally posted by dolfan06
getting. and he's thrown a ton of INT's. sh!t happens! :D exactly - there ain't much out there that is any better. 4-5 Mil is too much for Fiedler though. If you look at the stats (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=pass&sort=rat&league=afc&season=2&year=2001 ), we could have gone for Griese who has not been better than Jay or Grbac, Hasselback and Green who have sucked. In the NFC - http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=pass&sort=rat&league=nfc&season=2&year=2001 - we could have gone for B Johnson who has done nothing. So for the "reasonable" price, Jay is a keeper as of now.

dolfan06
12-13-2001, 05:09 AM
even in the wins, jay has made me nervous. but there is no sense putting out big bucks for a QB that will do the same thing!:(

inFINSible
12-13-2001, 08:28 AM
Fiedler negotiations begin... (http://www.miami.com/herald/content/sports/football/dolphins/digdocs/099851.htm)

21-9 as a starter....:D

dw2
12-13-2001, 10:30 AM
Are you kidding me? Let's stay focused on this year. We're 9-3 and in first place with momentum heading into the playoffs! Whatever happens in the offseason happens. I would like to keep Fiedler though.....he's learned our offense and he knows how to execute our offense.
By the way.......did someone mentin Gus Frerotte(sp?) or Trent Dilfer???!!!!!!!!!!! We don't need another 'fair at best' QB. If that's the case, we'll stick with who we have.
IN FIEDLER WE TRUST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO MIAMI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

dolfan06
12-13-2001, 11:25 AM
i'm not to excited about jay's play either. lets get to the superbowl and evaluate that sucker later. right now a controversey is not needed! :p

MarinoFan4Life
12-13-2001, 03:53 PM
Fiedler is 21-9 as a starter. Jay has his ups and downs, but so does every quarterback. Kurt Warner, he's had his bad weeks too. Manning is obviously hitting a slump. Culpepper isn't playing phenomenal either. All we can do is hope Fiedler slows down, reads his plays better and stop throwing picks. I mean, the Fins are undefeated with Fiedler at the helm when he goes pick-less! So, don't give up on him yet, he's maturing as a QB, and if he keeps maturing, he could be the best! Let's just hope it doesn't take Jay as long as it took Kordell to grow into the QB position!

dolfan06
12-13-2001, 04:07 PM
in a lot fewer words that is what i said. there is nobody better out there, besides jay knows the system! :D

Dolfan984
12-13-2001, 06:09 PM
I wouldn't go that far :)

10-0 when pickless is really nice to look at though :P

inFINSible
12-13-2001, 06:39 PM
What do you mean stay focused? This is a thread about what is going on with Jay's future with the Dolphins. There are almost a thousand other threads, I asure you that everyone here is focused on the season at hand. It bugs the crap out of me when someone takes the time to jump into a thread just to tell the people who are already in it that they should talk about something else. Dw2 if you would like to focus on the season at hand then don't reply to this thread. I'm sure there are other threads that deal with the what you think is important. Why insult all those who care about this topic?

dw2
12-13-2001, 07:10 PM
Chill out dude.....a little sensitive are'nt we??????? If I disagre w/ someone on something so be it.....if you disagree w/ me on something.....so be it.....who cares. You have alot of nerve telling me what to write and what not to write.....free country dude(or dudette)....free country.............I love you too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COME ON MIAMI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

iceblizzard69
12-13-2001, 07:12 PM
I am still not convinced Fiedler is suddenly great, if he does well this week and next, I may think otherwise. If he leaves, I think McNown can do a good job. He has a ton of potential.

inFINSible
12-13-2001, 07:45 PM
sorry, it's just a pet peeve....no offense to you personally, I don't know you yet....I'm glad to see new faces around here and I'm sure we'll have a good time discussing the greatest teamin the world.....Go fins!!:D

MarinoFan4Life
12-13-2001, 11:51 PM
Why give McNown a shot when we saw how well he played in Chicago?! Lucas played well when Vinnie-Mac went down a couple years ago. He's also playing his short-yardage roll well here in Miami. I'd say if Fiedler goes, Lucas gets the start... But, I also hope Fiedler stays. I think the Fins need to keep Jay and deal McNown or Lucas off. Get Germaine from KC. He's a great QB, who hasn't gotten a shot to shine. But, I'm biased, I'm a Buckeye. So, there really wasn't a whole lot of point to this one. I just wanted to argue about having McNown start instead of Lucas if it came down to it!