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RunRonnieRun
01-07-2006, 10:22 AM
Even though Im not sure we will draft either, or if we should......its a good thing that they are entering. The more possibly draftable quarterbacks that are in the draft, the better.

Looking at need, I still think we have a chance at cutler. Looking at the draft.....after about the first 6 picks, a QB shouldnt be taken until us. Leinart and Young will be above Cutler on everyones boards.....also D'brickashaw F. will get drafted somewhere in there, probably Hawk as well.

We really, really, need Young to enter the draft for a chance at Cutler.

If not cutler in the first.....I dont have a problem with Vick in the 3rd. Miami has never had a QB with his althletic ability and speed. (not even dan, LOL).

But regardless....the more QB that declare, the better spot we will be in

BLITZKRIEG
01-07-2006, 10:41 AM
They both stink....

PHINZ RULE!!!!

Fresh
01-07-2006, 10:43 AM
They both stink....

PHINZ RULE!!!!
Classic childish post without an explanation to backup your statement.

dol_fan_81
01-07-2006, 10:49 AM
Even though Im not sure we will draft either, or if we should......its a good thing that they are entering. The more possibly draftable quarterbacks that are in the draft, the better.

Looking at need, I still think we have a chance at cutler. Looking at the draft.....after about the first 6 picks, a QB shouldnt be taken until us. Leinart and Young will be above Cutler on everyones boards.....also D'brickashaw F. will get drafted somewhere in there, probably Hawk as well.

We really, really, need Young to enter the draft for a chance at Cutler.

If not cutler in the first.....I dont have a problem with Vick in the 3rd. Miami has never had a QB with his althletic ability and speed. (not even dan, LOL).

But regardless....the more QB that declare, the better spot we will be in

good post, unlike the post after it

SQuinn17
01-07-2006, 10:49 AM
marcus vick is going to be in jail by the time the draft comes around. that guy cant control himself.

BLITZKRIEG
01-07-2006, 10:51 AM
Classic childish post without an explanation to backup your statement.

There's no explanation needed if you watch them play.....

They both have tons of growing up to do, and neither have been very impressive in college. Sure, Jacobs numbers were solid, but look at the conference he plays in, it's cake. When he was matched-up against the better defensive teams, he looked average at best....

Jacobs and Vick will need at least two to three years of grooming before being ready to play at this level IMO. If that's the kind of project you'd like to entertain, go ahead. I myself would rather find a QB who is more "NFL Ready" than either one of those two....

PHINZ RULE!!!!

PHINSfan
01-07-2006, 10:56 AM
Jacobs i would take a chance in...Vick, no way!!!

aboome
01-07-2006, 11:10 AM
marcus vick is going to be in jail by the time the draft comes around. that guy cant control himself.

:sidelol::sidelol:its ture:sidelol::sidelol:

Danny
01-07-2006, 11:36 AM
Like the other guy said, Jacobs maybe but not Vick.I'm still hoping for Cutler but if he's gone then we'll just take the best LT or LB on the board unless a real good D-lineman falls and we'll worry about QB later.Maybe we can still get Carr.In the later round we could look at Croyle,Whitehurst,Olsen or Betts in the 5 or 6 round area.

Ozzy rules!!

daniel3
01-07-2006, 12:01 PM
There's no explanation needed if you watch them play.....

They both have tons of growing up to do, and neither have been very impressive in college. Sure, Jacobs numbers were solid, but look at the conference he plays in, it's cake. When he was matched-up against the better defensive teams, he looked average at best....

Jacobs and Vick will need at least two to three years of grooming before being ready to play at this level IMO. If that's the kind of project you'd like to entertain, go ahead. I myself would rather find a QB who is more "NFL Ready" than either one of those two....

PHINZ RULE!!!!

Looking at his stats for a number of games and the rankings defensively of all the teams he's played, against the two teams ranked in the top 40 defensively and top 40 in pass defensive he passed for 315 yards and 3 TD's in one and 178 yards on a 62% completion rate with 3 TD's in the other. Those are supposed to be average at best stats?

Also how do you guys come up with these arbitrary times of development? Vick was a much rawer talent than either two of these guys and he was starting in his second year and took his team to the playoffs no less.

SamDaMan29
01-07-2006, 12:09 PM
Mike Vick got kicked out of VT today after been a today jerk so he is in the draft and Omar Jacobs entered the NFL draft hopefully VInce Young goes in so we have a chance at one of those two quaterbacks id rather have Jacobs or Draft Chad JAckson out of UF b4 vick

DeathStar
01-07-2006, 12:12 PM
neither.

Phinja
01-07-2006, 12:12 PM
I dont know that anyone will take Vick very high, considering he was riding the Vick name to begin with. He's not as fast as Mike (but close), I dont think hes even as good of a QB. But a team my take a late round flyer on him and stuff his first contract with conduct clauses.

popularwar
01-07-2006, 12:15 PM
I dont know that anyone will take Vick very high, considering he was riding the Vick name to begin with. He's not as fast as Mike (but close), I dont think hes even as good of a QB. But a team my take a late round flyer on him and stuff his first contract with conduct clauses.
Did you watch VT at all this year? With the exception of Miami, Marcus Vick had a near-perfect season. He's a far better passer than Michael but he knows how and when to run as well. I'm not saying he'll go in the first round or anything but there's more to him than just the name.

HuskerFin
01-07-2006, 12:19 PM
Between those 2, I would hope for Jacobs. I didnt see many of his games this year, but did he ever take a snap from under center? That would be my main concern with him.
As for Vick dont really care for him on or off the field.

BLITZKRIEG
01-07-2006, 12:25 PM
Looking at his stats for a number of games and the rankings defensively of all the teams he's played, against the two teams ranked in the top 40 defensively and top 40 in pass defensive he passed for 315 yards and 3 TD's in one and 178 yards on a 62% completion rate with 3 TD's in the other. Those are supposed to be average at best stats?

I've watched Jacobs play because of all the hype he's attracted, and to be honest, I wasn't impressed. He was all over the place, and looked very timid in the pocket. He's simply "overrated" IMO...


Also how do you guys come up with these arbitrary times of development?

Easy, look at the average time it takes for most rookie QB's to develope, and add a year or two. That's what I do....


Vick was a much rawer talent than either two of these guys and he was starting in his second year and took his team to the playoffs no less.

No way. Mike Vick was a stud at VATECH, and he with his speed / ellusivness, entering the NFL posed no real threat to him. He was raw yes, but he was much more "NFL Ready" than either Jacobs or his younger brother....

PHINZ RULE!!!

Phinja
01-07-2006, 12:26 PM
Did you watch VT at all this year? With the exception of Miami, Marcus Vick had a near-perfect season. He's a far better passer than Michael but he knows how and when to run as well. I'm not saying he'll go in the first round or anything but there's more to him than just the name.


Thing is VT is a run first team. Mike looked like a great passer coming from college, and while he has his moments, he isnt really considered a threat to beat you through the air. I think that perception of Mike, coupled with Marcus' laundry list of transgressions, will make a long daft day for Marcus.

Gamble
01-07-2006, 12:30 PM
No Vick

cowtowndick
01-07-2006, 12:30 PM
Did you watch VT at all this year? With the exception of Miami, Marcus Vick had a near-perfect season. He's a far better passer than Michael but he knows how and when to run as well. I'm not saying he'll go in the first round or anything but there's more to him than just the name.

More to him than just the name, absolutely...like bad character, driving suspensions, feeding alcohol to minors. The guy is bad news with debatable talent. Sadly for us in Canada, he'll end up in the CFL and become a public menace. Between the two, it's an easy choice - Jacobs has much more potential, more talent as a qb (one that throws) and wouldn't be a nightmare for any franchise.

MikeO
01-07-2006, 12:32 PM
Mike Vick got kicked out of VT today after been a today jerk so he is in the draft and Omar Jacobs entered the NFL draft hopefully VInce Young goes in so we have a chance at one of those two quaterbacks id rather have Jacobs or Draft Chad JAckson out of UF b4 vick

Vick will end up in Atlanta.

The Falcons will use a mid to late round pick on him hoping being around his big brother will straighten him out.

Caldolfan
01-07-2006, 12:32 PM
Marcus Vick is a thug, he should go to the Raiders(hopefully they waste a high draft choice on him too). Omar Jacobs can flat throw the ball, I don't know about the off field part, but he can play. I don't think Marcus Vick can play, just like his brother, great athelete, not a good QB.

DTM2005
01-07-2006, 12:32 PM
I wouldn't even waste a 7th round pick on Vick. He has been nothing but problems since he got to VT and his conduct on the field during the bowl game tells me he shoudln't even be allowed back on a field EVER. My thoughts on the whole thing is he had already decided to leave VT and the school kicked him out to save face. His attitude with being kicked out was so what I'll just move on to the next level. I hope nobody in the NFL even gives him a sideways look.

jnobes7
01-07-2006, 12:38 PM
its marcus vick, and he is only 20 i believe and hell be a good prospect in acouple of years for some team. not ours tho. he is a better qb then michael,ask him urself, just mike is the elite athelete

Kadiddlehopper
01-07-2006, 12:38 PM
Omar Jacobs, no contest.

dolphan117
01-07-2006, 12:41 PM
I cant say I am that high on either. I have been somwhat of a Marcus fan but the guy just dosnt seem to get it. He was given multiple chances at VT to straighten himself out and he just wasnt very commited to trying imo.

wazzy
01-07-2006, 12:49 PM
I do not want Marcus Vick unless Saban thinks he can control himself and we spend a 4th round pick on him nothing more. Now Jacobs I wouldn't mind using a third on him if he is still around I think we have a good enough coaching staff to get him ready to go in a year and at the most 2.

cornell
01-07-2006, 12:56 PM
More to him than just the name, absolutely...like bad character, driving suspensions, feeding alcohol to minors. The guy is bad news with debatable talent. Sadly for us in Canada, he'll end up in the CFL and become a public menace. Between the two, it's an easy choice - Jacobs has much more potential, more talent as a qb (one that throws) and wouldn't be a nightmare for any franchise.

Hey we can draft him and pick up TO and then we can really be a screwed up team.

feelthepain
01-07-2006, 01:13 PM
I can't believe this thread actually exists. I thought the idea was to get better!!!

daniel3
01-07-2006, 01:18 PM
I've watched Jacobs play because of all the hype he's attracted, and to be honest, I wasn't impressed. He was all over the place, and looked very timid in the pocket. He's simply "overrated" IMO...



Easy, look at the average time it takes for most rookie QB's to develope, and add a year or two. That's what I do....



No way. Mike Vick was a stud at VATECH, and he with his speed / ellusivness, entering the NFL posed no real threat to him. He was raw yes, but he was much more "NFL Ready" than either Jacobs or his younger brother....

PHINZ RULE!!!

Explain what you mean by timid in the pocket and all over the place. I've never seen him play, but I've have yet to see him described as such by any analyst.

Also, my question really was why are you adding a year or two to the typical year or less that the majority of starters today have taken to adjust? Is there even a reasoning behind this? Plus, Vick was said to have even worse problems with his so called mechanics, but yet he managed to put up decent passing numbers in his first season as a starter. One year after joining the league. Now they don't have questions as serious about their arms, so why was he more ready?

Vertical Limit
01-07-2006, 01:29 PM
Marcus Vick isn't a first rounder in this draft. I see him landing in the second or third round wearing a Chicago Bears uniform. That should solve every QB problems that Chicago have been facing for the past several years.

He would fit perfectly with Chicago especially with the type of players Chicago holds, Brian Urlacher can fix this kid's attitude by force.

saves
01-07-2006, 02:07 PM
I'd prefer Jacobs, but Vick does have a good set of skills but his toubles may be too much for a developing franchise.

saves
01-07-2006, 02:15 PM
I've watched Jacobs play because of all the hype he's attracted, and to be honest, I wasn't impressed. He was all over the place, and looked very timid in the pocket. He's simply "overrated" IMO...



Easy, look at the average time it takes for most rookie QB's to develope, and add a year or two. That's what I do....



No way. Mike Vick was a stud at VATECH, and he with his speed / ellusivness, entering the NFL posed no real threat to him. He was raw yes, but he was much more "NFL Ready" than either Jacobs or his younger brother....

PHINZ RULE!!!

Timid in the pocket? His best quality IMO is composure in the pocket. He stands up tall and dosn't look to run as soon as the play breaks down.
Average vs. good teams. Bust out the Wisconsin game this year, he looks fabulous on the road against a superior opponent.
Nearly every QB is going to take time to develop. Typicaly the ones that come in"NFL ready" are getting put into a good situation that has a team that can win without spectatular QB play(see Pittsburgh). Why do you add a year of development for these two; just because you said so?
And how was Vick more NFL ready than those too. He sat for a whole year, and here were are what 4 years later and he STILL has not fully developed as a QB. He has made improvements, but he is not where the team and the leauge envisioned him to be. He gets publicity because he is the fastest man on the field, not because he is a fully developed QB yet.

RunningBackGuru
01-07-2006, 02:25 PM
I wouldn't take eather IMO. Maybe Jacobs in the 4th round though. I wasnt too impressed when I saw this guy, but I think he would fit in our Offense well.

TimeGap
01-07-2006, 10:24 PM
I think we should take a chance on QB Josh Betts from Miami OH in the six round.

daniel3
01-07-2006, 10:56 PM
Cleo Lemon is Miami's 6th round draft pick.

fishypete
01-07-2006, 11:38 PM
Jacob's is a Mueller type of QB....forget about Vick....or forgetaboutit.

phins1381
01-08-2006, 11:23 AM
marcus vick is maurice clarett bascially...he is a joke....u saw what happened when they played vs fsu and miami...they lost both times cause they were quick and fast defeneses just like what the nfl has to offer....he has no arm what so ever....i wouldnt even pick him....as far jacobs i saw him vs wisconsin on opening day thsi year,he looks good..he has some raw talent maybe needs a year to sit and watch but in the logn run i take him in the 2nd rd if he was there...:dolphins:

Alex44
01-08-2006, 11:34 AM
I love Omar Jacobs If we drafted him in the 2nd or 3rd round id be really happy

As for Vick....just say no

madmike
01-08-2006, 11:59 AM
marcus vick i feel will be a undrafted free agent. Jacobs possibly in the 4th rd.