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BigDogsHunt
01-22-2006, 04:07 PM
Do we really WANT the Bills draft info?

Nick: "Hey Mike.. You can leave that in Buffalo."

Mike: "Nick, you are right, if I took it they would be all out of toilet paper then!

paskerbrandon
01-22-2006, 04:10 PM
I see him going to DET... Mabey ARI as well...

kud
01-22-2006, 04:20 PM
Funny how some of these Bills fans (You know who you are) thought Mularkey was the 2nd coming of Christ

Right, and now they are bashing the shiz out of him. :goof: precious.

BigDogsHunt
01-22-2006, 04:21 PM
Right, and now they are bashing the shiz out of him. :goof: precious.

True, but that is what happened to Christ...so......

nopony
01-22-2006, 06:29 PM
Funny how some of these Bills fans (You know who you are) thought Mularkey was the 2nd coming of Christ

Would be funnier if half the people on here weren't doing the same thing three years later.

Silverphin
01-22-2006, 06:59 PM
Mike: "Nick, you are right, if I took it they would be all out of toilet paper then!

:sidelol:

Danny1339
01-23-2006, 05:54 PM
I'm watching the Sen bwl prctce. The one guys has Cutler ahead of Leinart & said he could very well go top 5.

Who is this announcer?

Dolfan4life34
01-23-2006, 05:58 PM
thats mayock ya i saw that 2

LIQUID24
01-23-2006, 05:59 PM
Mayock has been on Cutler's nuts for a while.

fins5423
01-23-2006, 06:03 PM
Yeah man i seen that, I think he is just a big Jay Cutler fan. No way Jay Cutler is picked before Matt Leinart or Vince Young, It doesnt matter what kind of Senior Bowl game he has or not, he still isnt top 5 material, i dont think hes top 10 material.

NorthFloridaFin
01-23-2006, 06:07 PM
I think most of us who are hopeing to see the Dolphins draft Jay Cutler are going to have to come to a realization, that he is not going to be there when we pick. The past few years have shown that most teams are going to take a reach to draft a QB higher than he is projected, just so they can hope they got a QB for the future.

With that said, Jay Cutler will go in the Top 10 to probably Detroit or Arizona. The only way the Dolphins are going to be able to draft him, is to trade up for him.

RalphX19X
01-23-2006, 06:13 PM
I think most of us who are hopeing to see the Dolphins draft Jay Cutler are going to have to come to a realization, that he is not going to be there when we pick. The past few years have shown that most teams are going to take a reach to draft a QB higher than he is projected, just so they can hope they got a QB for the future.

With that said, Jay Cutler will go in the Top 10 to probably Detroit or Arizona. The only way the Dolphins are going to be able to draft him, is to trade up for him.
I think some of us are hoping Arizona trades for Dante Culpepper.;)

Dolfan2788
01-23-2006, 06:27 PM
Apparently he is already lighting it up, and receivers are having trouble holding onto his balls. Like lasers.

LIQUID24
01-23-2006, 06:38 PM
Cutler started off pretty rough today. Some bad footwork and just plain bad throws. But later on he made a couple really nice throws. Of course, I'm only going by what they showed on the NFL Network.

dolfan3431
01-23-2006, 06:50 PM
I am getting so tired of people thinking Cutler is gone before we pick. If we want him that bad we have to have faith he will be there at our pick. Detroit will go o-line and arizona will go running back. C'mon people have faith

sports24/7
01-23-2006, 07:00 PM
I think some of us are hoping Arizona trades for Dante Culpepper.;)
Arizona trading for Culpepper could be a bad thing. The Vikings are said to be taking a QB in the first if they trade Culpepper.

Phin19
01-23-2006, 07:13 PM
Arizona trading for Culpepper could be a bad thing. The Vikings are said to be taking a QB in the first if they trade Culpepper.
but the vikings pick after we do. They would probably have to trade up

sports24/7
01-23-2006, 07:18 PM
but the vikings pick after we do. They would probably have to trade up
Not if they get Arizona's first for Culpepper.

Danny
01-23-2006, 07:27 PM
I'm not gonna be surprise if Cutler goes top 5...not saying he shoul but anything's posible....in any event,I don't see him lasting to our pick at 16 so I'm hoping for Greenway.I think we'll draft a QB later on tho....I think Saban and Muller will get us a QB that we can win with.

Ozzy rules!!

Blackshade
01-23-2006, 07:43 PM
Having seen Cutler several times over the years in the SEC I am not as in love with the kid as some on here. I think he definitely has the raw tools you look for in a big time QB but IMO he is not worth a top 5 pick. It would really be a slight reach for him at 16 but he is a QB and teams will reach a bit for that position.

Cutler had a good not great senior year, although he does get a lot of credit for helping Vandy win more than they usually do in the SEC. He had some very good games (Florida, Tenn), some barely average ones (UGA, Arkansas), and one atrocious one (LSU). I think that is the kind of QB he will be in the NFL, some very good games, some average ones, and a few really bad ones thrown in.

phinphan11
01-23-2006, 08:59 PM
Apparently he is already lighting it up, and receivers are having trouble holding onto his balls. Like lasers.

Unlike Mayock?

phinfan2003
01-23-2006, 10:41 PM
Situation #1- We draft one of the top 3 QB prospects (Jay Cutler if he's the 3rd best QB out there) and he starts the season as the QB, takes his lumps this season (leading us to an 8-9 win season), but will have the 1 year experience under his belt so he will be that much better in year 2.

Situation #2- We draft Cutler, have him sit and learn from Frerotte (how much can you learn from him I wonder) or some other vet that we bring in, we win as many games as we can w/ Frerotte or the vet as the QB, Cutler takes over in year 2 but with no on-field experience.

I think I'd take #1 as much as it'd pain me to endure another playoff-less season, I'd like to see our future start now.

nopony
01-23-2006, 10:45 PM
Depends

Situation number two is ideal... IF we bring in another vet.

But if all we have is Ferotte, I go with situation number one.

NaboCane
01-23-2006, 10:46 PM
Wrong forum. And there's already a thread on Cutler in the right forum.

phinfan2003
01-23-2006, 10:48 PM
Depends

Situation number two is ideal... IF we bring in another vet.

But if all we have is Ferotte, I go with situation number one.

I see what you're saying. Besides, we're not guaranteed that whoever is the starting QB (Frerotte, Rosenfels, Lemon, or another vet) is going to grasp the offense soon enough to help us win early. In other words, we may be in the same boat that we were in this year where we didn't click until the end of the season but by then, it was pretty much over.

phinfan2003
01-23-2006, 10:48 PM
Wrong forum. And there's already a thread on Cutler in the right forum.

This isn't even a Cutler thread. It was a hypothetical. It could be Jacobs, Whitehurst or anyone.

Dolfan2788
01-23-2006, 11:40 PM
Unlike Mayock?

:lol:
I don't have NFL Network, that's why I said he was lighting it up because that's the info I got, which clearly isn't right.
But I have heard that guy thinks Cutler is better than Leinart, which is pretty far out.
He might be a better pro, who knows but the better prospect is Leinart by far.

Phinzman
01-23-2006, 11:48 PM
Been looking around for some video of Jay Cutler,found the Ole Miss game and the Tennessee game complete on Yahoo thanks to another Dolphin site.

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/collegebroadcast/teams/jps?sport=secfb

Enjoy :D

Phinzman
01-23-2006, 11:50 PM
I'm watching the Ole Miss game right now,Jay isnt afraid to run.

Hmmmm...

caneaddict
01-23-2006, 11:50 PM
I know there are alot of Cutler threads and maybe we should just have one Cutler thread a day so all other Cutler threads that day are merged. BUT, merging EVERY Cutler thread to create a 86 page thread is ridiculous.

I get the need for merging but this is too extreme. If there is new info on Cutler like how he is doing in the senior bowl or if anyone wants to start a new discussion, they shouldn't have to be at the end of 86 pages.

Danny
01-23-2006, 11:58 PM
I'm watching the Ole Miss game right now,Jay isnt afraid to run.

Hmmmm...
Thanks man,I don't have time to watch it now but I'm saving it for later.Too bad that he'll probably be gone before our pick.Now where can I get games of Iowa so I can see Greenway playing?

Ozzy rules!!

Phinzman
01-24-2006, 12:04 AM
No problem..I hope we get a shot at him,he looks like a first round pick IMO,where I dont know.

I'm watching the game and checking stats out at the same time.The Tennessee game he threw 3 TD passes,the Ole miss game he threw for alot of yards and they won,actually both games Vandy won.

dolphinfan2k5
01-24-2006, 12:05 AM
GREAT find. Please don't merge this with the other Jay Cutler threads mods. Too bad you can't fast forward.

arsenal
01-24-2006, 12:11 AM
yeah no fast forwarding is pissing me off... anyone finds out how to access the videos directly in like media player or something let me know...

great find though...

Phinzman
01-24-2006, 12:23 AM
Wow.....one play with 8:00 plus in the 2nd qtr Jay takes off on a run about 20+ yards down the field and got his helmet knocked off,got right back up.Nice run though...

dolphinfan2k5
01-24-2006, 12:37 AM
He throws off his back foot on every play. Its a wonder he can zip them in there like that.

Phinzman
01-24-2006, 12:42 AM
True......he needs a good QB coach to shake some of those habits.I saw some highlights on TV where he looked to throw flat footed on a few passes and man that ball had some seroius speed on it.

Phinzman
01-24-2006, 12:49 AM
He sure plays alot of shot gun formations...I switched over to the Tenn game after watching a half of the Ole miss game.

phinfan_1
01-24-2006, 12:51 AM
He throws off his back foot on every play. Its a wonder he can zip them in there like that.

:chuckle: Yeah I know another QB that does the same thing..and he plays in greenbay. :)

phinfan_1
01-24-2006, 12:52 AM
Been looking around for some video of Jay Cutler,found the Ole Miss game and the Tennessee game complete on Yahoo thanks to another Dolphin site.

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/collegebroadcast/teams/jps?sport=secfb

Enjoy :D


Thanks for the link

Phinzman
01-24-2006, 01:04 AM
What Im seeing is a QB that is a very relaxed in the pocket for his age,kinda luls you asleep on one play and on the next he comes out with a little pop for a roll out pass or a scramble.Can roll out to the left and pass OK..

Danny1339
01-24-2006, 08:58 AM
Dolphins | Looking at Cutler
Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:54:10 -0800

Paul Kuharsky, of the <A href="http://www.kffl.com/link/136">Tennessean, reports the Miami Dolphins (http://www.kffl.com/team/22/nfl) set up a meeting with NFL Draft (http://www.kffl.com/link/159) prospect QB Jay Cutler (http://www.kffl.com/player/13538/nfl) (Vanderbilt) at the Senior Bowl

Motion
01-24-2006, 09:12 AM
Dolphins | Looking at Cutler
Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:54:10 -0800

Paul Kuharsky, of the <A href="http://www.kffl.com/link/136">Tennessean, reports the Miami Dolphins (http://www.kffl.com/team/22/nfl) set up a meeting with NFL Draft (http://www.kffl.com/link/159) prospect QB Jay Cutler (http://www.kffl.com/player/13538/nfl) (Vanderbilt) at the Senior Bowl

Imagine that

dolphinfan2k5
01-24-2006, 09:37 AM
I don't think the mods should have merged this. A lot of people won't see this because people just don't have time to read an 87 page thread where every page a new random conversation starts. It was really helpful for me because I've never seen Cutler play and I know many others haven't either. If it was originally posted in this thread, I highly doubt that I would have seen it.

caneaddict
01-24-2006, 12:23 PM
The Mods should do a sticky with this link and the other link that foated around with highlights from Cutler's UF game. They can lock it so people can have access to seeing Cutler without reading 87 pages.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop merging Cutler threads into this MEGA THREAD. No one will read a 87 page thread. Maybe allow one Cutler thread per day or every couple days. You've already moved us to the draft room even though the draft is the most important thing for the Phins, don't take away all the Cutler threads (which is essentially what you do when you merge them into this thread).

FinAtic8480
01-24-2006, 02:07 PM
Dolphins | Looking at Cutler
Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:54:10 -0800

Paul Kuharsky, of the <A href="http://www.kffl.com/link/136">Tennessean, reports the Miami Dolphins (http://www.kffl.com/team/22/nfl) set up a meeting with NFL Draft (http://www.kffl.com/link/159) prospect QB Jay Cutler (http://www.kffl.com/player/13538/nfl) (Vanderbilt) at the Senior Bowl.

Celtkin
01-24-2006, 02:09 PM
Dolphins | Looking at Cutler
Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:54:10 -0800

Paul Kuharsky, of the <A href="http://www.kffl.com/link/136">Tennessean, reports the Miami Dolphins (http://www.kffl.com/team/22/nfl) set up a meeting with NFL Draft (http://www.kffl.com/link/159) prospect QB Jay Cutler (http://www.kffl.com/player/13538/nfl) (Vanderbilt) at the Senior Bowl.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Cutler's stock doesn't raise too much at the Senior Bowl. From what I've heard, I'd like to have a shot at getting him without having to trade up too many spots

CitizenSnips
01-24-2006, 02:10 PM
Dolphins | Looking at Cutler
Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:54:10 -0800

Paul Kuharsky, of the <A href="http://www.kffl.com/link/136">Tennessean, reports the Miami Dolphins (http://www.kffl.com/team/22/nfl) set up a meeting with NFL Draft (http://www.kffl.com/link/159) prospect QB Jay Cutler (http://www.kffl.com/player/13538/nfl) (Vanderbilt) at the Senior Bowl.

no offense, but this is kind of like... 'duh'

Breadfan
01-24-2006, 02:11 PM
Dolphins | Looking at Cutler
Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:54:10 -0800

Paul Kuharsky, of the <A href="http://www.kffl.com/link/136">Tennessean, reports the Miami Dolphins (http://www.kffl.com/team/22/nfl) set up a meeting with NFL Draft (http://www.kffl.com/link/159) prospect QB Jay Cutler (http://www.kffl.com/player/13538/nfl) (Vanderbilt) at the Senior Bowl.

As are 31 other NFL teams

dominizzo
01-24-2006, 02:11 PM
they can look at him all they want !!! he will not be there at 16

greatwade
01-24-2006, 02:13 PM
over-rated

adolfan131313
01-24-2006, 02:16 PM
Dolphins | Looking at Cutler
Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:54:10 -0800

Paul Kuharsky, of the <A href="http://www.kffl.com/link/136">Tennessean, reports the Miami Dolphins (http://www.kffl.com/team/22/nfl) set up a meeting with NFL Draft (http://www.kffl.com/link/159) prospect QB Jay Cutler (http://www.kffl.com/player/13538/nfl) (Vanderbilt) at the Senior Bowl.
Unless we trade up we are not getting him

BlueFin
01-24-2006, 02:17 PM
they can look at him all they want !!! he will not be there at 16

Don't bet the farm on it my over-posting friend.

Pinrod33
01-24-2006, 02:17 PM
holy crap celtkin. Is it safe to say that the Laptop is a total loss, or is she not really peeing on it?

Pinrod33
01-24-2006, 02:24 PM
oh, and it looks like a jack russell. If so, would you mind taking mine so your dog can have a friend. Not that she's a raging lunatic, Energizer bunny version of a dog, straight from the depths of hell or anything. But I just thought your pup might want a pal. ;)

finfan54
01-24-2006, 02:27 PM
Mike whatshisname on NFL network is already touting Cutler as the second coming of christ so.......you can pretty much fogetaboutit!


Oh and this will soon be followed with Ricky trade rumours and moving up to get Cutler! :lol:

dominizzo
01-24-2006, 02:32 PM
Don't bet the farm on it my over-posting friend.

Over post?????? Whats ur Prob bluephin have a problem with me posting i bleed aqua orange to this site so buzz off

Motion
01-24-2006, 02:35 PM
Over post?????? Whats ur Prob bluephin have a problem with me posting i bleed aqua orange to this site so buzz off

Yeah, you tell him :goof:

DeathStar
01-24-2006, 02:51 PM
As are 31 other NFL teams

i dont think all 31 teams are looking at cutler. come on.

MiamiMan147
01-24-2006, 03:00 PM
Somehow I don't think Indy or New England would be interested. :)

Anyhow, Dolphins fans should be hoping for him to have a mediocre senior bowl and combine. Otherwise people will be calling him the next Brett Farve by the time draft day rolls around and we'll have no chance. QB's have a way of rising leading up to the draft.

HelloMotto
01-24-2006, 03:03 PM
Somehow I don't think Indy or New England would be interested. :)

Anyhow, Dolphins fans should be hoping for him to have a mediocre senior bowl and combine. Otherwise people will be calling him the next Brett Farve by the time draft day rolls around and we'll have no chance. QB's have a way of rising leading up to the draft.

they also have a way of dropping down also. (see aaron rodgers)

StLouisFinFan
01-24-2006, 03:11 PM
Mike whatshisname on NFL network is already touting Cutler as the second coming of christ so.......you can pretty much fogetaboutit!


Oh and this will soon be followed with Ricky trade rumours and moving up to get Cutler! :lol:
Remember, there's alot of talent out there at postitions besides QB, and alot of teams that need those top shelf talents at positions other than QB. Half the teams ahead of us would say no to JC just due to the fact they don't need one at all, the other half is made up of teams that could use him, but have other needs that just might be in line with the BPA at another position (ala Mike Huff; Ferguson; etc.)

StLouisFinFan
01-24-2006, 03:14 PM
Unless we trade up we are not getting him
A year ago at this very moment Aaron Rodgers was project to go No. 1. How'd that work out? We Dolphin fans should know better than any, that even the greatest QB of all time can fall well past pick No. 16 for any number of reasons.

SoFloDolFan
01-24-2006, 03:15 PM
they also have a way of dropping down also. (see aaron rodgers)

that's because for many teams QB wasn't an extreme need for them as much last year than this year.

Urlithani
01-24-2006, 03:25 PM
I like Cutler over any other QB in the draft. =P

caneaddict
01-24-2006, 03:31 PM
Jeff (South Beach): Jay, we want you in Miami - have you talked to Nick Saban yet?

http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif Jay Cutler: (1:41 PM ET ) I met him last night and we had a great meeting. They might be drafting a QB.

That last sentence, they might be drafting a QB, i think that means he had a good interview.

Motion
01-24-2006, 03:42 PM
Sweet

HugeFinFan
01-24-2006, 03:44 PM
Thanks a lot for posting that, that's great :up:

NaboCane
01-24-2006, 03:44 PM
This is good news. I hope he's there with our pick, but the way he's rising he may go before us.

Would you guys trade up to get him? And what would you give up?

The Confessor
01-24-2006, 03:45 PM
Easy guys,
First, I am sure Saban is meeting and shaking hands with lots of kids- kindve the whole reason for going to begin with
Second, I dont think Cutler will still be available at 16. I hope so, but I realistically dont think he will be.

Motion
01-24-2006, 03:45 PM
I like Cutler over any other QB in the draft. =P

I've been saying that for months. :D

Joneal7
01-24-2006, 03:45 PM
man i want Cutler on this team badly

HugeFinFan
01-24-2006, 03:46 PM
This is good news. I hope he's there with our pick, but the way he's rising he may go before us.

Would you guys trade up to get him? And what would you give up?
You know what I wouldn't trade up to get him and I don't think Saban is the type of coach to do that either. He values his draft picks and feels he can get great value for every pick. I only way I possibly see him moving up would be in a similiar situation to the 2004 draft when we moved up 1 spot for Mt. Vernon.

Jaj
01-24-2006, 03:47 PM
Why it's not like a million teams are taking a QB. I think one team will grab a veteran like Brian Griese for one(Baltimore), the Vikings may take Johnson and then grab a QB later in the draft, while the Cardinals need a RB but yes are a danger. It's not that ridiculous. Stop killing threads saying he won't be there.

Motion
01-24-2006, 03:51 PM
This is good news. I hope he's there with our pick, but the way he's rising he may go before us.

Would you guys trade up to get him? And what would you give up?

It all depends. Alot of things will happen between now in the draft. FA will play a huge part obviously in every team's draft strategy. Seems like we have all these draft experts coming out of the woodwork now that the season is over saying theres no way he'll be there when absolutely no one knows for sure what could happen on draft day. Obviously he is my #1 pick and has been since October when most people had never heard of him.

Motion
01-24-2006, 03:52 PM
Why it's not like a million teams are taking a QB. I think one team will grab a veteran like Brian Griese for one(Baltimore), the Vikings may take Johnson and then grab a QB later in the draft, while the Cardinals need a RB but yes are a danger. It's not that ridiculous. Stop killing threads saying he won't be there.

Right on, Plus Minnesota newspapers are saying Dante could end up in oakland, Arizona, or Baltimore as well.

NaboCane
01-24-2006, 03:57 PM
It all depends. Alot of things will happen between now in the draft. FA will play a huge part obviously in every team's draft strategy. Seems like we have all these draft experts coming out of the woodwork now that the season is over saying theres no way he'll be there when absolutely no one knows for sure what could happen on draft day. Obviously he is my #1 pick and has been since October when most people had never heard of him.


But free agency doesn't have much to offer this offseason, save for retreads and rejects. There isn't an option out there that comes close to being more than a solution to a need for a backup.

Motion
01-24-2006, 04:04 PM
But free agency doesn't have much to offer this offseason, save for retreads and rejects. There isn't an option out there that comes close to being more than a solution to a need for a backup.

True, but I was referring more about other teams and overall team needs. Qb wise you have Brees/Rivers, Dante, Griese, Ramsey,Kitna,etc.. all potentially available. Between that and certain players leaving their respective temas could create different areas of need for different teams.


Trust me, you won't find a bigger fan of drafting a QB for the fins than me. I've wanted our own young franchise QB here to groom ever since Dan left.

twg76
01-24-2006, 04:06 PM
I was doubting that Cutler would be there at 16 until I starting checking out all the mock drafts. Nobody I have seen has Cutler going before 16. Alot of the mocks have him going to the Dolphins at 16. He would have to do spectacular at the Senior Bowl and at the Combine to move up past 16.

Also, Miami could stay at 16 and wait to see if he goes. If someone takes him, Miami could trade for him before they pick at 16.

ckparrothead
01-24-2006, 04:06 PM
Read between the lines of Cutler's thoughts and he is really saying that he should be taken well before the Dolphins pick at #16. By "a QB" he could mean Vince Young or if Brodie Croyle launches himself into the first round somehow...Reggie McNeal could even launch himself into that mx if he continues to look like he's got a better more legitimate deep ball than Mike Vick, 2 inches of height on Vick, yet the same speed as Vick.

Motion
01-24-2006, 04:15 PM
Read between the lines of Cutler's thoughts and he is really saying that he should be taken well before the Dolphins pick at #16. By "a QB" he could mean Vince Young or if Brodie Croyle launches himself into the first round somehow...Reggie McNeal could even launch himself into that mx if he continues to look like he's got a better more legitimate deep ball than Mike Vick, 2 inches of height on Vick, yet the same speed as Vick.

:lol: Now we're mind readers.

vinivedivichi
01-24-2006, 04:26 PM
:lol: Now we're mind readers.

Tell me about it.... What is it with everyone on this board thinking that everyone speaks in code?

caneaddict
01-24-2006, 04:48 PM
Tell me about it.... What is it with everyone on this board thinking that everyone speaks in code?

Yeah, I don't think he was speaking in any code.

They asked him about Dallas and if he would be happy to play for Parcells. He was genuinely excited at such a possibility so I don't think he's one of these guys that just assumes he's going higher than he is.

I think he meant exactly what he said:
He had a good meeting with Saban and at some point in the meeting it became clear that the Phins have a lot of interest in drafting a QB, whether it be in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc..

dm416
01-24-2006, 04:56 PM
YESSSSS!!!!!!!!!!! :goof:

HysterikiLL
01-24-2006, 04:57 PM
We might me drafting a QB. OMG, Captain Obvious has released his identity! He's Jay Cutler! Sure, but we could be drafting a QB in the 7TH ROUND!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

dominizzo
01-24-2006, 05:41 PM
Saban did talk to Braylon and said to Braylon hed choose him

caneaddict
01-24-2006, 05:47 PM
Saban did talk to Braylon and said to Braylon hed choose him

That's true. Maybe it's all a big smoke screen.

I do think he is genuinely interested in him. On ESPN's Senior Bowl buzz section they wrote this:

Two separate NFL scouts said they would draft Cutler ahead of USC's Matt Leinart and Texas' Vince Young


I'm not saying it will happen but certainly Cutler's stock has made a big move. I can't wait for draft day to see the smoke clear.

fins5423
01-24-2006, 06:00 PM
Yesssss!!!!!!

Good Find!

I Hope We Get Jay Cutler

fins5423
01-24-2006, 06:12 PM
The only bad thing about Jay Cuter is he wears a face sheild!

Looks kinda cheesy, what QB wears a face sheild?

Philip Rivers.....and thats it.

I mean its like he wants to look cool, but a QB doesnt wear a face sheild.

Its like a kicker wearing a face sheild.

BlueFin
01-24-2006, 06:39 PM
Nope, the only bad thing is his name is Jay...............................................

TotoreMexico
01-24-2006, 06:44 PM
Dude, I don't care if he uses a mini skirt provided that he helps this team to win games!

fins5423
01-24-2006, 06:49 PM
Nope, the only bad thing is his name is Jay...............................................

good point

Eric-Honduras
01-24-2006, 07:00 PM
i think he will be gone before we pick anyways.... i like him... i dont think he drops below top 10.

unifiedtheory
01-24-2006, 07:02 PM
The only bad thing about Jay Cuter is he wears a face sheild!

Looks kinda cheesy, what QB wears a face sheild?

Philip Rivers.....and thats it.

I mean its like he wants to look cool, but a QB doesnt wear a face sheild.

Its like a kicker wearing a face sheild.

Rivers got rid of his.

Who cares if he wears a shield? Maybe he got poked in the eye before and does'nt want it to happen again. Wearing a shield is a lot more intelligent then wearing a big lineman's facemask if he is looking to avoid getting his eye poked out of his skull.

I don't care who wears a shield. Hell, if I played I'd wear one. I'd rather look "cheesy" then lose an eye.

CutlerPwns
01-24-2006, 07:10 PM
Dolphin will and won't draft Jay Cutler. Detroit will take him before the Dolphins we be able to pick.

CutlerPwns
01-24-2006, 07:20 PM
Cutler owns. But he will be drafted by THE LIONS or THE CARDINALS. GET OVER IT.

NaboCane
01-24-2006, 07:23 PM
Cutler owns. But he will be drafted by THE LIONS or THE CARDINALS. GET OVER IT.

That;s nice. Now stop breaking the Prozacs in half, the doctor warned you once already.

rafael
01-24-2006, 08:39 PM
Saban did talk to Braylon and said to Braylon hed choose him

I thought Saban specifically addressed that before the Cleveland game this year and said that he never told Edwards that.

phinphan11
01-24-2006, 08:41 PM
Remember last year he was "talking" to Alex Smith" as well.... look how that turned out.

Dolfan2788
01-24-2006, 08:44 PM
I thought Saban specifically addressed that before the Cleveland game this year and said that he never told Edwards that.

Apparently it was Spielman that said that but I wouldn't rule out that Saban did.
I don't really care either way.

BigDogsHunt
01-24-2006, 09:25 PM
Dolphin will and won't draft Jay Cutler. Detroit will take him before the Dolphins we be able to pick.

Dear God Man, Which is it?

Its as if you are having an argument with yourself, and losing!

mbsinmisc
01-24-2006, 09:40 PM
Cutlers height per GBN is 6-2.7 That is a little shorter than I thought. No big deal, I just thought he was 6-4+. Croyle came in at 6-2.2 Again , no big deal but I thought he was 6-0. Whitehurst came in at 6-4+.

mbsinmisc
01-24-2006, 09:42 PM
Cutlers height per GBN is 6-2+, I thought he was 6-4. No biggie.

General Tso
01-24-2006, 10:57 PM
Saban did talk to Braylon and said to Braylon hed choose him

Dominizzo,

It's not the leaning tower of "pizza" and we don't get French benefits.

amir7
01-24-2006, 11:12 PM
this is a good sign i guess:confused: :)

caneaddict
01-24-2006, 11:45 PM
Remember last year he was "talking" to Alex Smith" as well.... look how that turned out.

By all accounts, Saban was serious about Alex Smith and may very well have taken him had he been available.

caneaddict
01-24-2006, 11:46 PM
Cutlers height per GBN is 6-2+, I thought he was 6-4. No biggie.

His official height from Monday with no shoes is 6'2 7/8. So that's a solid 6'3+ with shoes.

PublixSubsRule
01-24-2006, 11:50 PM
he will be there at 16 , relax and wow u all are reading way into what he said comon we arnt physcologists...lol

Batman13
01-25-2006, 12:07 AM
Azfinfan, I love that sig. Baskett is a guy I have been keeping an eye on. I would love to get him with a 2nd or 3rd.

paskerbrandon
01-25-2006, 01:10 AM
Azfinfan, I love that sig. Baskett is a guy I have been keeping an eye on. I would love to get him with a 2nd or 3rd.

Baskett was VERY impressive in Senior Bowl pratices from what I have seen... I would LOVE to get this guy in the 3rd or 4th... very highly doubt he will be there though...

Phinanthropist
01-25-2006, 05:45 AM
Pretty vanilla but check it out...
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/Dolphins/entries/2006/01/from_the_mouth.html

HysterikiLL
01-25-2006, 07:14 AM
Did they take your measurements?

6-2, 223 pounds.



6-2??? WTF, did this just get chopped at the knees? I thought he was 6'4''!

SwampDawg
01-25-2006, 08:54 AM
Sounded crazy :eek: to me but I caught part of an interview on ESPN radio yesterday where they said the Saints were really impressed with Cutler and that they could possibly rank him ahead of Lienert and Young. Now must likely if he is the guy they want they would trade down at least a few spots but it amazes me how just media talk to this point and a few senior bowl practices and what people think he will do may have propelled this guy from a late first rounder to a middle first and now up to the top 6 or 7.

Buddwalk
01-25-2006, 08:58 AM
Cutlers accuracy still is a lil bit off, if the saints are smart they would rank there qbs in this order

1. Leinart
2. Young
3. Cutler

Teenwolf
01-25-2006, 09:23 AM
Cutlers accuracy still is a lil bit off, if the saints are smart they would rank there qbs in this order

1. Leinart
2. Young
3. Cutler



Agreed!!!:yeahthat:

Motion
01-25-2006, 09:37 AM
Anything's possible

Dolfan2788
01-25-2006, 10:14 AM
Did they take your measurements?

6-2, 223 pounds.



6-2??? WTF, did this just get chopped at the knees? I thought he was 6'4''!

He's pretty much 6-3.
I would be more impressed if he was 6-4. To me he was a prototypical pocket passer with all the qualities you want from what i've heard(I can't analyse QB's). Doesn't change my mind at all about him, just puts a dampener on it. :cry:

Dolfan2788
01-25-2006, 10:16 AM
No, I think that the Saints will definitely take either Leinart or Young before Cutler. I think that it is more likely with Jeff Fisher coaching him that he will do a Cadillac/Rivers and be enamoured with Cutler and pick him.

NYPhinFan
01-25-2006, 10:25 AM
It is Jan 25th...the draft is still a distance away...so much will change from now till then...guys will rise...guys will fall...and it usually settles where it started in the first place. Cutler is the flavor of the day because he is there and Leinart and Young are not...its just normal that he would get the most attention right now...that will change.

finfansince72
01-25-2006, 10:39 AM
Could you imagine the fan reaction if a team passed on Leinart and Young to take Cutler that high? Sorry but if you want Cutler that bad you trade down and get some extra picks. Really the Saints might be better off getting future picks and an extra 1st day pick this year and move down, they are going to be in limbo for another year at least. Guess they could take Leinart and move the team to LA. Or Young and move to San Antonio lol.

Danny
01-25-2006, 11:02 AM
Cutlers accuracy still is a lil bit off, if the saints are smart they would rank there qbs in this order

1. Leinart
2. Young
3. Cutler
Anything's posible at this time and that order could change after this week and after the combine....btw,I like your Randy Rhoads pick...one of the greatest ever.

Ozzy rules!!
:rockon: :guitar:

Jnaledu3
01-25-2006, 11:46 AM
Did they take your measurements? 6-2, 223 pounds.



This will hurt his stock some. I too thought he was 6'4. Leinart and Young are both at least 6'4.


People talk about you as a possible match for the Dolphins. Do you hear those things? Yeah, it’s fun. They’ve got a first-round pick kind of high. So it’d be a great opportunity. But I’m not worried about it right now. I’m just trying to do my job out here.



This sheds some light on what CK was saying.

What does he mean by "kind of high?"

To me, it sounds like he expects to be a late first rounder still.

Finfanforever
01-25-2006, 01:03 PM
I'll be mad if we pass up on Jay Cutler in the 1st round.

Don't worry...if he plays well in Sat. game ...he'll be gone before #16. :(

FinsFan71
01-25-2006, 02:15 PM
Hello again Fins fans: :welcome:

Well it looks like Vandy QB, Jay Cutler is no longer our big secret. After his recent performance at the Senior Bowl practice, it appears he will go very high in the 2006 NFL Draft -- possibly even top 5 by some pronostications. :egads:

Check out Pro Football Weekly's article, where he is compared to a young Brett Farve. :link:

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/default.htm


And the Palm Beach Post is reporting he has a very accurate cannon arm and quick release. :link:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/dolphins/content/sports/epaper/2006/01/25/a1c_fins_0125.html


We all knew that interest in Cutler would probably go up after the Senior Bowl and the scouting combine. And its obviously begun to happen...So now the question becomes, how do we get this kid before someone else snatches him up.

The answer is not a simple one to answer. We've talked in countless other threads about the possibility of trading Ricky Williams for a premier player. Maybe its time to prepare a package that includes Williams and some 3rd or 4th round draft picks -- in order to move up in the 1st round and get Cutler.

Forget all this talk about getting Culpepper, Brooks or Carr and lets go get our QB of the future!!! :apc: If we are to go to the Super Bowl, we need a franchise QB. Ther is no other alternative but to trade Ricky. I know everyone is delighted with the Ricky and Ronnie together. And I also know that most great teams have a good RB tandem in place -- just in case one of them goes down during the season. But isn't it time for us to take a gamble and invest our current surplus to get the next great QB???

Yes I think Cutler is gonna be that great...
:allhail:

IMO we all need to support Saban....he will make our team great once again. But a push for Cutler now will help us to reach the promised land much sooner.

Forget, forget, forget all the FA quarterbacks out there... they all come with extra baggage and no guarantees. Cutler doesn't have any baggage and he has a tremendous upside. He is young, talented and can take a beating and still get great numbers. He is a fearless competitor and may be the 1st real QB we've had since Marino.

If we're committed to winning, and winning sooner rather later, then we must do all in our power to get Jay Cutler.

Now that i've stated my case, I leave it to you all to make your opinions be known.

Should we trade Ricky for a premier player already in the league or go after a franchise QB in the draft?

Please also answer the poll.....

Thanks
AND GO FINS!!!!!!!!

ZedThomas
01-25-2006, 02:31 PM
I would love to see us move up in the draft and find a way to take Cutler. I agree with your assessment of his skills and I have him at the top of my quarterback wish-list. The however is this, Ricky is a proven commodity. His value to us far exceeds his cost. I would rather see a sacrifice in the draft. I believe we have a full compliment of picks to work with and most of the position needs will be filled in free agency and the later rounds, other than QB. I would love to see Cutler and Ricky, both in Dolphins Uni next year, but Ricky I want to see for sure.

Roman529
01-25-2006, 02:31 PM
I doubt we could trade Ricky and our pick to get Cutler, expecially if Cutler may go in the Top 10.....who is gonna take a chance on Ricky? We might as well keep him to back up RB and see what is left when we pick at #16.

Dmarino110
01-25-2006, 02:42 PM
I doubt we could trade Ricky and our pick to get Cutler, expecially if Cutler may go in the Top 10.....who is gonna take a chance on Ricky? We might as well keep him to back up RB and see what is left when we pick at #16.

Completely agree....Anyways I still think we need a Tackle so any cance on either of these 3
D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Virginia
Eric Winston, Miami
Winston Justice, USC

FinsFan71
01-25-2006, 02:46 PM
I doubt we could trade Ricky and our pick to get Cutler, expecially if Cutler may go in the Top 10.....who is gonna take a chance on Ricky? We might as well keep him to back up RB and see what is left when we pick at #16.


I'm not say just Ricky and our 1st round pick. I would say Ricky and 1st and 3rd rd pick might do it. Or maybe we trade Booker and Ricky in a packge with picks. The point here is to do everything possible to get Jay Cutler. Anything and everything in our power -- except of course sacrificing our teams future -by giving away future picks or our current young players like Crowder and Roth. That I would not do.

It will be apparent by draft day that Cutler is the next great QB....If we lose out on him and Jets or AFC opponent gets him. I will regret for years to come. Trust me.

fincrazy
01-25-2006, 02:47 PM
i trust nick and we havent went after a qb in the draft for a while, i would pull the trigger. ie trade up or trade for a vet qb like carr! everybody knows we need a qb , its not a secret.. but i cant wait to see who we get..

nopony
01-25-2006, 02:47 PM
That is not enough to get Cutler. That plus our third is not enough to get Cutler. Not if he is that high.

DUB
01-25-2006, 02:47 PM
Personally, I think much of Ricky's success was due to Saban's plan to build up his value, which worked PERFECTLY it is no coincidence that he had big games late in the year. We should ship him and Madison(if neccesary) to get Leinart, Young or Cutler, whoever is the last of those three to be drafted. My preference is indeed Jat Cutler.

vt_dolfan
01-25-2006, 02:51 PM
Call me frugal....but I really think we can eventually land a very good quarterback without giving up the house to get him. And now that we have Mularcky...it is gonna be soooo important to carry both Ricky and Ronny.

I say we develop Croyle..sign a UFA like Josh Mcnown. I know everyone wants a Super Bowl next year...but Id rather take a very educated shot with Mcnown....develop Croyle who could end up being as good as Cutler any ways.

Croyle has played in a Pro Style Offense. He needs the strength conditioning that the NFL will give him. Hes got the moxie...the arm..and the it factor, and we dont have to trade anything to get him.

Predaphin
01-25-2006, 02:55 PM
I say we shoot for Cutler, but at a reasonable price....and do not include Ricky in that trade

PublixSubsRule
01-25-2006, 03:17 PM
i say we trade up to get cutler and get rid of ricky i mean come on people forget he left us 2 years ago, and besides i think that if that a 2 headed backfield is so good then how come no other teams do it, its for the reason that they dont get the feel for the game and wear down the defense. the only time i would have a 2 headed backfield is if i had reggie bush but we dont.

PublixSubsRule
01-25-2006, 03:18 PM
the reason i would run it with reggie bush is because i dont think he will be able to handle like 25-30 carries a game

TXFinFan
01-25-2006, 03:44 PM
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=10518


Jeff (South Beach): Jay, we want you in Miami - have you talked to Nick Saban yet?

http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif Jay Cutler: I met him last night and we had a great meeting. They might be drafting a QB.

jham81
01-25-2006, 03:47 PM
i think the biggest thing everyone here is ignoring is yes we can package a whole bunch of picks and/or players with ricky williams however who in the top 5-10 really needs a running back so bad that they will trade down that many spots for it.

Texans - i truly believe they will go with Reggie Bush because of the added dimension he brings and the commitment they made to carr

Saints- the only team i believe that could be willing to trade out of their spot at the risk of trading leinart and then pulling an Elway/Eli trade demand but will they want to take back ricky?? i doubt it

Titans- They just picked up Travis henry along with chris brown they have there running back and need to draft a qb of the future

Jets- No way we trade with them regardless of what they need

Packers- packers may trade out because they have so many holes to fill however how do you pass up on a future star in AJ Hawk

Raiders- Raiders are in a similar boat to the packers....they need a lot to fill a lot of holes. they can trade out but then theyd be risky leaving AJ, Williams and Kiwi on the board.

49ers- another tream with plenty of holes that leaves open speculation for trade however they NEED a corner BAD!!! they could trade back a few spots but not to our spot. what could we possibly give them that they need. they invested already a lot of money in 1 subpar rb. and drafted a running back that they were high on last yr in gore.

Bills- no way we trade anything to the bills

Lions- they lions running game did struggle a little at times last yr with a young running back that has been getting hurt a lot. but they dont have so many holes and need a qb. even though i believe they will go with a vet. i dont see them trading down 5 spots

Cardinals- this is our best case to trade ricky i believe because they have been talking running back all week. they have been chanting "Lendale in Glendale" my question is will cutler be gone by then.

my suggestion is we go with best available at the spot we currently are...i think if winston justice is there we cannot pass up what may be a future franchise LT. ive heard some rumors of demeco ryans to help us move into the 3-4 however i think there are bigger needs on the offensive side at least in the first rd. if we can trade down even a couple of spots and pick up another pick in the 2nd or 3rd that would help tremendously as well.

my back up plan is Charlie Whitehurst. i had the opportunity to see quite a bit of this guy in college and although he was inconsistent i believe he could be a great pro....he wouldnt be the first to struggle in college and become a star in the nfl. we certainly have the coaching staff to help him along!!!

then in free agency we need to go after Nate Clement...unrestricted free agent already said he will test the free agent waters. with that roster i think we'd be in pretty good shape for the future

TXFinFan
01-25-2006, 03:49 PM
Josh, Nashville: Have you caught any passes from Jay Cutler, yet? Is it hard to develop timing so quickly with unknown QB's?

Maurice Stovall: He throws the ball hard! We're getting our timing down.

Semedi
01-25-2006, 04:18 PM
I'd love to trade Ricky to move up and get Cutler... Unfortunately I don't think Ricky has enough value for that to come close to happening... you'd have to sweeten up the package a lot more with some premium draft picks.

Pocoloco
01-25-2006, 04:19 PM
You could probably get the Arizona Cardinals to bite. They desperately need a running back, and an extra draft pick. Might be able to say the same for the 49ers.
The question is whether or not Cutler will still be there, and whether or not the price is right. You might have to throw Sam Madison or a higher draft pick into the equation.

TRUDOLFAN54
01-25-2006, 04:45 PM
just wondering what it would take for us to get this kid ive heard that he may go 9th to detriot that's 7 spots i just think this is the qb we need? :dolphins:

adolfan131313
01-25-2006, 04:46 PM
just wondering what it would take for us to get this kid ive heard that he may go 9th to detriot that's 7 spots i just think this is the qb we need? :dolphins:
not happening

Tar Phin
01-25-2006, 04:46 PM
If it takes trading up, we will not be getting Cutler.

PassRush
01-25-2006, 04:48 PM
The ritual sacrafice of... Edging on the TOS there... Our first and third, more than likely

TRUDOLFAN54
01-25-2006, 04:49 PM
If it takes trading up, we will not be getting Cutler.
we have some players with some skills the qustion is would you be willing to make a trade with a team let's say we give up a player and our first pick to get him. :dolphins:

FinsFan71
01-25-2006, 04:52 PM
You could probably get the Arizona Cardinals to bite. They desperately need a running back, and an extra draft pick. Might be able to say the same for the 49ers.
The question is whether or not Cutler will still be there, and whether or not the price is right. You might have to throw Sam Madison or a higher draft pick into the equation.

I agree totally with your assessment. We have to address the CB situation thru FA (Nate Clements) and we kill two birds with one stone.

Trade:
We get rid of Madison (high salary), include Rickyand a 3rd or 4th rd. pick to Arizona or San Fran for their pick. Brilliant.

In Cutler we trust................

KyPhinfan13
01-25-2006, 04:53 PM
I know there are a lot of threads on Jay Cutler as a target for the Dolphins in the upcoming draft. However, I haven't seen very much optimism in trading up to a realistic spot in which Cutler would still be able. After looking at draft value chart, I believe we can trade up with Detroit (pick #9) and still be able to get Cutler. I think that Detroit will stick with Harrington for at least another year before they decide to cut ties with him. Picks #1-#3 will most likely be Bush, Young, and Leinart (in which order, I do not know) New York Jets pick #4 and they will probably not take a QB this year because they will see what Pennington has left, if anything. San Fran and Green Bay pick next and surely neither will pick a QB. If they don't trade down, the only other team we would really have to worry about picking Cutler would be the Raiders as the Bills aren't done with the Losman experiment. I have a feeling that the Cardinals will take a shot at trading up to get Cutler as well.

The X-Factor in all of this is Dante Culpepper. No, I don't think Saban will go after Culpepper, but I do think he'll end up as a Cardinal or a Raider next year. So if Culpepper becomes a Raider, if we can pull off a trade with Detroit, I can see us getting Cutler at #9 as long as the Bills don't want to screw us and trade with Arizona.

How does the trade with Detroit work you ask?

Detroit gets:

Miami 1st round (pick #16)
Miami 2nd round (pick #48)
Miami 3rd round (pick #80)

Miami gets:

Detroit 1st round (pick #9)
Detroit 3rd round (pick #73)

According to the draft value chart, Miami would give up 1610 points but would be getting 1575 in return.

Another possibility would be giving up a 1st round pick this year and next year. I think that you've got to take a shot on getting a young franchise QB this year, whatever it takes. Remember, most draft "experts" say that a 1st round pick next year is worth a 2nd round pick this year.

To end this long post, I just want to make it clear: GET CUTLER!!!

FinsFan71
01-25-2006, 04:58 PM
I know there are a lot of threads on Jay Cutler as a target for the Dolphins in the upcoming draft. However, I haven't seen very much optimism in trading up to a realistic spot in which Cutler would still be able. After looking at draft value chart, I believe we can trade up with Detroit (pick #9) and still be able to get Cutler. I think that Detroit will stick with Harrington for at least another year before they decide to cut ties with him. Picks #1-#3 will most likely be Bush, Young, and Leinart (in which order, I do not know) New York Jets pick #4 and they will probably not take a QB this year because they will see what Pennington has left, if anything. San Fran and Green Bay pick next and surely neither will pick a QB. If they don't trade down, the only other team we would really have to worry about picking Cutler would be the Raiders as the Bills aren't done with the Losman experiment. I have a feeling that the Cardinals will take a shot at trading up to get Cutler as well.

The X-Factor in all of this is Dante Culpepper. No, I don't think Saban will go after Culpepper, but I do think he'll end up as a Cardinal or a Raider next year. So if Culpepper becomes a Raider, if we can pull off a trade with Detroit, I can see us getting Cutler at #9 as long as the Bills don't want to screw us and trade with Arizona.

How does the trade with Detroit work you ask?

Detroit gets:

Miami 1st round (pick #16)
Miami 2nd round (pick #48)
Miami 3rd round (pick #80)

Miami gets:

Detroit 1st round (pick #9)
Detroit 3rd round (pick #73)

According to the draft value chart, Miami would give up 1610 points but would be getting 1575 in return.

Another possibility would be giving up a 1st round pick this year and next year. I think that you've got to take a shot on getting a young franchise QB this year, whatever it takes. Remember, most draft "experts" say that a 1st round pick next year is worth a 2nd round pick this year.

To end this long post, I just want to make it clear: GET CUTLER!!!


I agree with your assessment of Detriot for a trade possibility. Although we could still work with Arizona and San Fran and not have to give up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders.

But your right, this is one of those special players that comes along only so often. I believe we go after him with everything we got. It will pay off in "Super" results down the not so distant road.....

SECfootball
01-25-2006, 05:00 PM
There's too much value in the second round to be giving that pick up for Cutler. I'd rather wait it out and see what our options are at #16.

KyPhinfan13
01-25-2006, 05:06 PM
There's too much value in the second round to be giving that pick up for Cutler. I'd rather wait it out and see what our options are at #16.


After Young, Lienart, and Cutler, what's left?

thomasdan15
01-25-2006, 05:06 PM
I would love to get Cutler but I don't think it's going to happen unless Ricky is involved in the trade. I don't think Saban will trade away picks

phinfan88
01-25-2006, 05:07 PM
i agree that we need to trade up to get cutler, hes got way too much potential to let him go to another team

Sofa_King_Drunk
01-25-2006, 05:08 PM
Don't forget about Tennessee at #4. Jeff Fisher is coaching the Senior Bowl and I've heard the Titans LOVE Cutler. Vandy just happens to be located in Nashville too. I heard Mike Mayock on 790 talking about how he thinks Cutler is clearly the number one QB in the draft so I think with a good performance at the Senior Bowl and good combine numbers Cutler will be out of our range by the time the draft rolls around.

Shouright
01-25-2006, 05:10 PM
I don't see us doing something like this unless we've already traded Ricky Williams for at least a #2, and I think with Mularkey's offense we may want to keep Ricky even if we're offered that.

burger13
01-25-2006, 05:10 PM
After Young, Lienart, and Cutler, what's left?

Omar Jacobs.

Phins28
01-25-2006, 05:10 PM
After Young, Lienart, and Cutler, what's left?

Brodie Croyle the steal in the draft, IMO.

Raekwon The Che
01-25-2006, 05:10 PM
This draft is too deep to give away a second round pick.

burger13
01-25-2006, 05:11 PM
Don't forget about Tennessee at #4. Jeff Fisher is coaching the Senior Bowl and I've heard the Titans LOVE Cutler. Vandy just happens to be located in Nashville too. I heard Mike Mayock on 790 talking about how he thinks Cutler is clearly the number one QB in the draft so I think with a good performance at the Senior Bowl and good combine numbers Cutler will be out of our range by the time the draft rolls around.

Tennessee is #3, not #4.....they would be passing on Bush, Lienart or Young if they took Cutler at #3.......not likely.

SCall13
01-25-2006, 05:13 PM
There's too much value in the second round to be giving that pick up for Cutler. I'd rather wait it out and see what our options are at #16.


:yeahthat:

DolfanCole
01-25-2006, 05:14 PM
I know there are a lot of threads on Jay Cutler as a target for the Dolphins in the upcoming draft. However, I haven't seen very much optimism in trading up to a realistic spot in which Cutler would still be able. After looking at draft value chart, I believe we can trade up with Detroit (pick #9) and still be able to get Cutler. I think that Detroit will stick with Harrington for at least another year before they decide to cut ties with him. Picks #1-#3 will most likely be Bush, Young, and Leinart (in which order, I do not know) New York Jets pick #4 and they will probably not take a QB this year because they will see what Pennington has left, if anything. San Fran and Green Bay pick next and surely neither will pick a QB. If they don't trade down, the only other team we would really have to worry about picking Cutler would be the Raiders as the Bills aren't done with the Losman experiment. I have a feeling that the Cardinals will take a shot at trading up to get Cutler as well.

The X-Factor in all of this is Dante Culpepper. No, I don't think Saban will go after Culpepper, but I do think he'll end up as a Cardinal or a Raider next year. So if Culpepper becomes a Raider, if we can pull off a trade with Detroit, I can see us getting Cutler at #9 as long as the Bills don't want to screw us and trade with Arizona.

How does the trade with Detroit work you ask?

Detroit gets:

Miami 1st round (pick #16)
Miami 2nd round (pick #48)
Miami 3rd round (pick #80)

Miami gets:

Detroit 1st round (pick #9)
Detroit 3rd round (pick #73)

According to the draft value chart, Miami would give up 1610 points but would be getting 1575 in return.

Another possibility would be giving up a 1st round pick this year and next year. I think that you've got to take a shot on getting a young franchise QB this year, whatever it takes. Remember, most draft "experts" say that a 1st round pick next year is worth a 2nd round pick this year.

To end this long post, I just want to make it clear: GET CUTLER!!!
Very interesting. I would love to get Cutler, and this doesn't seem like selling the farm to get him.

One correction though, the picks go up for the current year, not down ... for instance, a 1st this year is worth a 2nd next year. So they say ...

greatwade
01-25-2006, 05:14 PM
Cutler mania as predicted.

I won't be surpised one bit if we get suggestions he's #1 overall.

I say he flops in the NFL. But I've never seen him play. Just seems all-hype.

Motion
01-25-2006, 05:17 PM
After Young, Lienart, and Cutler, what's left?

We have more holes than QB. After FA we'll have a clearer picture.

Motion
01-25-2006, 05:18 PM
Cutler mania as predicted.

I won't be surpised one bit if we get suggestions he's #1 overall.

I say he flops in the NFL. But I've never seen him play. Just seems all-hype.

Words of wisdom :rolleyes:

LarryFinFan
01-25-2006, 05:19 PM
I know there are a lot of threads on Jay Cutler as a target for the Dolphins in the upcoming draft. However, I haven't seen very much optimism in trading up to a realistic spot in which Cutler would still be able. After looking at draft value chart, I believe we can trade up with Detroit (pick #9) and still be able to get Cutler. I think that Detroit will stick with Harrington for at least another year before they decide to cut ties with him. Picks #1-#3 will most likely be Bush, Young, and Leinart (in which order, I do not know) New York Jets pick #4 and they will probably not take a QB this year because they will see what Pennington has left, if anything. San Fran and Green Bay pick next and surely neither will pick a QB. If they don't trade down, the only other team we would really have to worry about picking Cutler would be the Raiders as the Bills aren't done with the Losman experiment. I have a feeling that the Cardinals will take a shot at trading up to get Cutler as well.

The X-Factor in all of this is Dante Culpepper. No, I don't think Saban will go after Culpepper, but I do think he'll end up as a Cardinal or a Raider next year. So if Culpepper becomes a Raider, if we can pull off a trade with Detroit, I can see us getting Cutler at #9 as long as the Bills don't want to screw us and trade with Arizona.

How does the trade with Detroit work you ask?

Detroit gets:

Miami 1st round (pick #16)
Miami 2nd round (pick #48)
Miami 3rd round (pick #80)

Miami gets:

Detroit 1st round (pick #9)
Detroit 3rd round (pick #73)

According to the draft value chart, Miami would give up 1610 points but would be getting 1575 in return.

Another possibility would be giving up a 1st round pick this year and next year. I think that you've got to take a shot on getting a young franchise QB this year, whatever it takes. Remember, most draft "experts" say that a 1st round pick next year is worth a 2nd round pick this year.

To end this long post, I just want to make it clear: GET CUTLER!!!


The basis of your theory is Culpepper to the Cards ?? Well, if he isn't supposed to be able to run until August, what makes you think the Cards will wait until then to make a move on their QB position ?? McCown and Warner are both UFAs. People need to stop talking about Culpepper..he isn't going anywhere this offseason because of his injury...period...No trade will take place until he passes the other teams physical....

paskerbrandon
01-25-2006, 05:21 PM
This is getting a little crazy.. If Cutler isint there we can always take Croyle or Whithurst in the 3rd or Meyer in the 4th or 7th...

thomasdan15
01-25-2006, 05:23 PM
Cutler mania as predicted.

I won't be surpised one bit if we get suggestions he's #1 overall.

I say he flops in the NFL. But I've never seen him play. Just seems all-hype.


At least you admitted you've never seen him play. He will be a good NFL QB for a long time. But I do think we will pick another QB 2nd or 3rd round there are some good picks still available. I just don't think Saban will give up any picks this class is very deep and we can fill several holes.

KyPhinfan13
01-25-2006, 05:24 PM
This draft is too deep to give away a second round pick.

Yes, we might miss out on a great player in the 2nd round, but you've got to make consessions if you want to ever grab the guy you need.

In_Flames
01-25-2006, 05:25 PM
I really want Cutler as well, but I agree with a few others and if he's not there I say we go CB like Huff in the first and grab a QB like Croyle in the 2nd/3rd..

KyPhinfan13
01-25-2006, 05:27 PM
Very interesting. I would love to get Cutler, and this doesn't seem like selling the farm to get him.

One correction though, the picks go up for the current year, not down ... for instance, a 1st this year is worth a 2nd next year. So they say ...


No a 2nd rounder this year is a 1st rounder next year. By your theory, I'd trade 2nd round picks from the next year for 1st rounders this year ALL DAY LONG!

KyPhinfan13
01-25-2006, 05:29 PM
The basis of your theory is Culpepper to the Cards ?? Well, if he isn't supposed to be able to run until August, what makes you think the Cards will wait until then to make a move on their QB position ?? McCown and Warner are both UFAs. People need to stop talking about Culpepper..he isn't going anywhere this offseason because of his injury...period...No trade will take place until he passes the other teams physical....


Maybe so about passing the physical...but I seriously doubt that any team that trades for Culpepper would spend their 1st pick on a QB simply because #1. They now have Culpepper
#2. They gave up picks to get him in the first place.

LOCAL SCUM!
01-25-2006, 05:31 PM
Hold on, guys. We dont wanna start trading away future 1st round draft picks here again! C'mon. We make some kind of deal that's reasonable for us in the long run. We're not gonna gamble like that on a guy that hasn't even been talked about until just a few days ago. I know he's good, but let's keep it real. That ain't gonna happen. & yall know Saban is not down with trading away picks. We wanna stock pile em. What I'm wondering is what would we be able to get for Madison?

lotion
01-25-2006, 05:33 PM
I really want Cutler as well, but I agree with a few others and if he's not there I say we go CB like Huff in the first and grab a QB like Croyle in the 2nd/3rd..

Stop using logic.... our secondary is fine, our defense is young, a 1st round rookie QB is the missing piece for us... ;)
Defense 1st, Croyle in the 2nd or 3rd. Cutler will get hyped up to top 5 by the time all is said and done. Saban isn't going to give up picks and I don't think we'll trade Ricky either. We will draft a QB on day one it just won't be in round 1.

Dors156
01-25-2006, 05:33 PM
I know there are a lot of threads on Jay Cutler as a target for the Dolphins in the upcoming draft. However, I haven't seen very much optimism in trading up to a realistic spot in which Cutler would still be able. After looking at draft value chart, I believe we can trade up with Detroit (pick #9) and still be able to get Cutler. I think that Detroit will stick with Harrington for at least another year before they decide to cut ties with him. Picks #1-#3 will most likely be Bush, Young, and Leinart (in which order, I do not know) New York Jets pick #4 and they will probably not take a QB this year because they will see what Pennington has left, if anything. San Fran and Green Bay pick next and surely neither will pick a QB. If they don't trade down, the only other team we would really have to worry about picking Cutler would be the Raiders as the Bills aren't done with the Losman experiment. I have a feeling that the Cardinals will take a shot at trading up to get Cutler as well.

The X-Factor in all of this is Dante Culpepper. No, I don't think Saban will go after Culpepper, but I do think he'll end up as a Cardinal or a Raider next year. So if Culpepper becomes a Raider, if we can pull off a trade with Detroit, I can see us getting Cutler at #9 as long as the Bills don't want to screw us and trade with Arizona.

How does the trade with Detroit work you ask?

Detroit gets:

Miami 1st round (pick #16)
Miami 2nd round (pick #48)
Miami 3rd round (pick #80)

Miami gets:

Detroit 1st round (pick #9)
Detroit 3rd round (pick #73)

According to the draft value chart, Miami would give up 1610 points but would be getting 1575 in return.

Another possibility would be giving up a 1st round pick this year and next year. I think that you've got to take a shot on getting a young franchise QB this year, whatever it takes. Remember, most draft "experts" say that a 1st round pick next year is worth a 2nd round pick this year.

To end this long post, I just want to make it clear: GET CUTLER!!!


i'm not willing to give them our second round up just to get him when we could get huff or chad jackson then whitehurst later who really impressed me in the practices

LOCAL SCUM!
01-25-2006, 05:38 PM
I say we draft the BEST corner available with our 1st. (unless Cutler is available to us-which he wont be.)

roneil9
01-25-2006, 05:41 PM
I'm a Gamecock fan and have seen Cutler play in person 3 times and on TV alot. I think Jay has great potential, but the hype is out of control. Suggestions of trading into the top 10 for him are absurb. If we can get him at 16 and our staff likes him then it was meant to be. If not.....

Even though I am a Gamecock and Charlie Whitehurst is a Tiger, there is not much at all seperating these two in arm strenth, size, and leadership. Well one thing seperating them is Charlie beat the Gamecocks four times and Jay never did . (Doh)

Just some perspective

Sofa_King_Drunk
01-25-2006, 05:42 PM
Tennessee is #3, not #4.....they would be passing on Bush, Lienart or Young if they took Cutler at #3.......not likely.

Right they're third,my bad, but I'm just passing along what I've heard on Sirius radio and 790 that Cutler's stock is rising and that Tennessee has serious man-love for Cutler. There's alot that can happen between now and the draft. My main point was that all three QBs will likely be gone before where Saban would be willing to move up to.

rkdinorl
01-25-2006, 05:45 PM
This whole I love this guy or this position is what gets everyone in trouble come draft time.

I say take him if he's there at 16 or try to trade down and pick the best S, LT, or best player available.

popularwar
01-25-2006, 05:48 PM
After Young, Lienart, and Cutler, what's left?
Hundreds of players. We need more than just a QB and a second round corner or lineman could make a huge difference for our team's improvement.

HysterikiLL
01-25-2006, 05:49 PM
After Young, Lienart, and Cutler, what's left?

DeMeco Ryans, Chad Greenway, Michael Huff, Rod Wright, Jon Scott, Eric Winston, Marcus McNeill, Jimmy Williams, Chad Jackson

LOCAL SCUM!
01-25-2006, 05:52 PM
How does the trade with Detroit work you ask?

"Detroit gets:

Miami 1st round (pick #16)
Miami 2nd round (pick #48)
Miami 3rd round (pick #80)

Miami gets:

Detroit 1st round (pick #9)
Detroit 3rd round (pick #73)"

Spielman? IS that you??
jk

LOCAL SCUM!
01-25-2006, 05:53 PM
DeMeco Ryans, Chad Greenway, Michael Huff, Rod Wright, Jon Scott, Eric Winston, Marcus McNeill, Jimmy Williams, Chad Jackson

ooh..wouldn't that be sweet if we somehow got Eric Winston? We'll have 2 U-M-ers on our line. Start a nice tradition.

Predaphin
01-25-2006, 05:58 PM
I know there are a lot of threads on Jay Cutler as a target for the Dolphins in the upcoming draft. However, I haven't seen very much optimism in trading up to a realistic spot in which Cutler would still be able. After looking at draft value chart, I believe we can trade up with Detroit (pick #9) and still be able to get Cutler. I think that Detroit will stick with Harrington for at least another year before they decide to cut ties with him. Picks #1-#3 will most likely be Bush, Young, and Leinart (in which order, I do not know) New York Jets pick #4 and they will probably not take a QB this year because they will see what Pennington has left, if anything. San Fran and Green Bay pick next and surely neither will pick a QB. If they don't trade down, the only other team we would really have to worry about picking Cutler would be the Raiders as the Bills aren't done with the Losman experiment. I have a feeling that the Cardinals will take a shot at trading up to get Cutler as well.

The X-Factor in all of this is Dante Culpepper. No, I don't think Saban will go after Culpepper, but I do think he'll end up as a Cardinal or a Raider next year. So if Culpepper becomes a Raider, if we can pull off a trade with Detroit, I can see us getting Cutler at #9 as long as the Bills don't want to screw us and trade with Arizona.

How does the trade with Detroit work you ask?

Detroit gets:

Miami 1st round (pick #16)
Miami 2nd round (pick #48)
Miami 3rd round (pick #80)

Miami gets:

Detroit 1st round (pick #9)
Detroit 3rd round (pick #73)

According to the draft value chart, Miami would give up 1610 points but would be getting 1575 in return.

Another possibility would be giving up a 1st round pick this year and next year. I think that you've got to take a shot on getting a young franchise QB this year, whatever it takes. Remember, most draft "experts" say that a 1st round pick next year is worth a 2nd round pick this year.

To end this long post, I just want to make it clear: GET CUTLER!!!

Att his point its tough to saay whos going where...there will be many surprises...dont count on the Jets NOT drafting a QB....they will not want to be put in the same situation as this year without a QB

PassRush
01-25-2006, 05:59 PM
Why give up all of those picks in the draft for Cutler when there are sleeper quarterbacks all throughout the draft? I have a feeling that Ngata could slip to number 16 and we cannot pass on that

phinfan88
01-25-2006, 05:59 PM
what about hackney? ive heard that hes big but that could also help us

Motion
01-25-2006, 06:03 PM
what about hackney? ive heard that hes big but that could also help us

Big as in weight, but he's only 5'11.

Motion
01-25-2006, 06:03 PM
ooh..wouldn't that be sweet if we somehow got Eric Winston? We'll have 2 U-M-ers on our line. Start a nice tradition.

He would be a reach at #16.

sports24/7
01-25-2006, 06:51 PM
I think the Dolphins need to come out of this draft with a QB of the future and I think Saban feels the same way. So as I said in another thread it will come down to whether they feel Croyle or Whitehurst can be a QB in this league and if they can get one of them in rounds 2 or 3. If not and they really like Cutler I think they will move up and take him. If they feel confident about Croyle or Whitehurst they will stay where they are and get one of those guys later on. The way Croyle has looked at the Senior Bowl practices we probably won't have a chance at him in the 3rd though.

jlfin
01-25-2006, 07:10 PM
There's too much value in the second round to be giving that pick up for Cutler. I'd rather wait it out and see what our options are at #16.

Agreed. Something tells me that Croyle is going to be a solid pro. Rather take him in 2nd or 3rd rd.
Of course I will reserve further judgement until AFTER the Sr. Bowl

jlfin
01-25-2006, 07:12 PM
He would be a reach at #16.

A big reach, and I am a Canes fan. He's destined to be a solid NFL LT. Nothing more IMO. He is not a franchise LT at the next level from what I've seen this past season.

BSQX4
01-25-2006, 07:16 PM
I'm with Predaphin. Keep Ricky. Go out and get a QB but leave Ricky out of the deal.

Sethworld
01-25-2006, 07:39 PM
"...Saban and his staff interviewed Cutler on Monday evening (the same day they arrived in Mobile, Ala.), it's pretty clear the interest level is high. Cutler, a 6-foot-4, 223-pound senior, said he spent nearly 40 minutes talking to the group."

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/sports/epaper/2006/01/25/a1c_fins_0125.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=46

Al13
01-25-2006, 07:40 PM
i thought cutler is only 6´2 ?

finfan54
01-25-2006, 07:53 PM
How the hell will Ricky get us up to #3? you people are insane man.

finfan54
01-25-2006, 07:56 PM
Call me frugal....but I really think we can eventually land a very good quarterback without giving up the house to get him. And now that we have Mularcky...it is gonna be soooo important to carry both Ricky and Ronny.

I say we develop Croyle..sign a UFA like Josh Mcnown. I know everyone wants a Super Bowl next year...but Id rather take a very educated shot with Mcnown....develop Croyle who could end up being as good as Cutler any ways.

Croyle has played in a Pro Style Offense. He needs the strength conditioning that the NFL will give him. Hes got the moxie...the arm..and the it factor, and we dont have to trade anything to get him.


ahhhhh some commone sense. and Josh Mccown aint comin to Miami. Based on what Saban said today.........doesnt look good for gus bashers.

capecoralfinfan
01-25-2006, 08:13 PM
i remember in 2003 we were all talking about ben being available at our draft position and he moved up rapidly after the senior bowl. now what would any of you give up to get roethlisberger? articles today suggest cutler's arm strength and physical tools are amazing. my question is what would you give up to get him? i know i would give almost anything for ben roethlisberger and by no means am i comparing them as players. simply stated, cutler could be another roethlisberger type guy.

Shouright
01-25-2006, 08:14 PM
I think it'll cost too much. I don't think you should target single players too strongly in the draft.

Life will go on if we don't get Jay Cutler.

capecoralfinfan
01-25-2006, 08:15 PM
well imo we'd be in the superbowl with roethlisberger. back then ricky alone would have moved us up that much.

CitizenSnips
01-25-2006, 08:16 PM
I think it'll cost too much. I don't think you should target single players too strongly in the draft.

Life will go on if we don't get Jay Cutler.

exactly...if he falls to us, then thats awesome...if he doesn't, theres a lot of defensive talent in this draft.

capecoralfinfan
01-25-2006, 08:17 PM
exactly...if he falls to us, then thats awesome...if he doesn't, theres a lot of defensive talent in this draft.

i can agree with that. i still think the qb position is most important right now. granted, the draft isn't the only way to get a qb. i wouldn't mind some youth on defense either.

endorphin
01-25-2006, 08:17 PM
I think the comparison is closer to Philip Rivers personally.

However to answer your question...I don't know if I'd give up too much...MAYBE Sam Madison and our first. I would rather take BPA at 16 and develope a QB that we get in a later round. If Cutler is not there at 16, I wouldn't reaach TOO far for one out of his relative position in the draft.

capecoralfinfan
01-25-2006, 08:19 PM
I think the comparison is closer to Philip Rivers personally.

However to answer your question...I don't know if I'd give up too much...MAYBE Sam Madison and our first. I would rather take BPA at 16 and develope a QB that we get in a later round. If Cutler is not there at 16, I wouldn't reaach TOO far for one out of his relative position in the draft.

well the problem with rivers is the fact he doesn't have the arm strength whereas cutler may have the best arm in the draft.

endorphin
01-25-2006, 08:20 PM
well the problem with rivers is the fact he doesn't have the arm strength whereas cutler may have the best arm in the draft.

Sorry I was not more clear...my comparison was with Rivers in the way he shot up in the draft. Big Ben went right about where he was projected.

Shouright
01-25-2006, 08:22 PM
Hold a lollipop in front of a two-year-old's face, make him want it, and then pull it away from him. What happens?

He wants it more.

This is happening with Cutler people. He was once projected to go in the 2nd round, and then he moved up into the mid-to-late 1st round. These were all places we thought we could get him.

Now that he appears to be moving into the top 10 of the first round, we're seeing our lollipop being taken away, so we're wanting it more. So much more that we're seeing what could be described as "mortgage the farm for him" ideas all over the board (e.g., trading future #1s, trading Ricky, etc.).

This is a mistake, folks, IMO. Sure we need a QB, but we will eventually be successful without Jay Cutler.

We may not be so successful without what we trade to get him.

capecoralfinfan
01-25-2006, 08:22 PM
Sorry I was not more clear...my comparison was with Rivers in the way he shot up in the draft. Big Ben went right about where he was projected.

that is true, rivers shot wayy up though. i always was under the assumption ben moved up too. sorry for the wrong comparison.

CitizenSnips
01-25-2006, 08:22 PM
i can agree with that. i still think the qb position is most important right now. granted, the draft isn't the only way to get a qb. i wouldn't mind some youth on defense either.

i'd sooner make a move later on to nab omar jacobs, like in the 2nd round. but where we are picking will get us a standout player in the 1st round reguardless.

Csonka39
01-25-2006, 08:23 PM
sabin will make this pick, but if i were doing the picking and could move up, with out loseing to much mabe a 5 to move up if hes there, i would!! lots of thangs change in the Draft as time gets close, most coachs and GMs 2nd guess there self, on who they think is the best, also romers are started by different people and great players slide down, in the Draft, im sure al of us can remember 1 or 2 probowl players that have been defamed before the Draft!
so who will be the Flavour of the week when the draft weekend comes?
i think we take a QB, Witch one only Sabin knows

endorphin
01-25-2006, 08:23 PM
well the problem with rivers is the fact he doesn't have the arm strength whereas cutler may have the best arm in the draft.

I'm not so sure about Rivers not having decent arm strength either. I watched him in a few games and the senior bowl and yes he was accurate, but he was also throwing 30 yard passes on a frozen rope. Truth is, we don't KNOW what he has as it relates to a true NFL arm until he actually gets some quality playing time. He must have something though, the Chargers are sure keeping him close to the vest.

capecoralfinfan
01-25-2006, 08:24 PM
Hold a lollipop in front of a two-year-old's face, make him want it, and then pull it away from him. What happens?

He wants it more.

This is happening with Cutler people. He was once projected to go in the 2nd round, and then he moved up into the mid-to-late 1st round. These were all places we thought we could get him.

Now that he appears to be moving into the top 10 of the first round, we're seeing our lollipop being taken away, so we're wanting it more. So much more that we're seeing what could be described as "mortgage the farm for him" ideas all over the board (e.g., trading future #1s, trading Ricky, etc.).

This is a mistake, folks, IMO. Sure we need a QB, but we will eventually be successful without Jay Cutler.

We may not be so successful without what we trade to get him.


i know nick isn't that type of coach, however, take a look at the giants. who would say that the giants aren't a better team with eli manning? i'm a firm believer in the fact that we need a solid field general to compete.

dolfanben
01-25-2006, 08:26 PM
I think the comparison is closer to Philip Rivers personally.

However to answer your question...I don't know if I'd give up too much...MAYBE Sam Madison and our first. I would rather take BPA at 16 and develope a QB that we get in a later round. If Cutler is not there at 16, I wouldn't reaach TOO far for one out of his relative position in the draft.


sorry, for a rookie like me, who is "BPA"

CitizenSnips
01-25-2006, 08:26 PM
clever thinking. but this happens every year almost. every coach knows what the risks are.

capecoralfinfan
01-25-2006, 08:26 PM
I'm not so sure about Rivers not having decent arm strength either. I watched him in a few games and the senior bowl and yes he was accurate, but he was also throwing 30 yard passes on a frozen rope. Truth is, we don't KNOW what he has as it relates to a true NFL arm until he actually gets some quality playing time. He must have something though, the Chargers are sure keeping him close to the vest.


you are the first person i've seen use adjectives like "frozen rope" when describing rivers. it wouldn't be the first time i'm wrong though.

endorphin
01-25-2006, 08:27 PM
sorry, for a rookie like me, who is "BPA"

"Best Player Available" :)

Caps
01-25-2006, 08:27 PM
Yep, I agree 100%. I used to be chained to the Cutler bandwagon with titanium. I've started to get really sick of the unwarranted hype he's been getting though. I've now got one foot in the Cutler camp, and one foot in the Omar Jacobs/Brodie Croyle/Charlie Whitehurst in the 2nd/3rd camp. I'd be happy with either scenario.

earl the pearl
01-25-2006, 08:28 PM
i know nick isn't that type of coach, however, take a look at the giants. who would say that the giants aren't a better team with eli manning? i'm a firm believer in the fact that we need a solid field general to compete.

weeelllll....i'd actually say the giants aren't neccessarily a better team with eli...at least not considering the talent they could have picked up with more draft picks. For instance, let's say they hadn't traded up: instead picking up someone like roethlisberger or keeping rivers. They use the other #1 and #2 picks they sent to the chargers to pick up some defense, a cornerback and a linebacker; there's no reason to believe this wouldn't have worked out better for them.

capecoralfinfan
01-25-2006, 08:29 PM
Yep, I agree 100%. I used to be chained to the Cutler bandwagon with titanium. I've started to get really sick of the unwarranted hype he's been getting though. I've now got one foot in the Cutler camp, and one foot in the Omar Jacobs/Brodie Croyle/Charlie Whitehurst in the 2nd/3rd camp. I'd be happy with either scenario.


senerio two would probably not get us a starter for next year though. what veteran are you looking to get to "groom" these middle round prospects.

dolfanben
01-25-2006, 08:29 PM
you're right. but i just don't see us getting lured into selling an arm and leg to get cutler. I really trust saban & co. to make smart moves, such as getting duped by mike tice to move up and take vernon carey...:fire:

Predaphin
01-25-2006, 08:29 PM
Hold a lollipop in front of a two-year-old's face, make him want it, and then pull it away from him. What happens?

He wants it more.

This is happening with Cutler people. He was once projected to go in the 2nd round, and then he moved up into the mid-to-late 1st round. These were all places we thought we could get him.

Now that he appears to be moving into the top 10 of the first round, we're seeing our lollipop being taken away, so we're wanting it more. So much more that we're seeing what could be described as "mortgage the farm for him" ideas all over the board (e.g., trading future #1s, trading Ricky, etc.).

This is a mistake, folks, IMO. Sure we need a QB, but we will eventually be successful without Jay Cutler.

We may not be so successful without what we trade to get him.

agreed. In the end, I trust Saban....If he believes we can do it without Cutler, then i would believe it.

endorphin
01-25-2006, 08:30 PM
you are the first person i've seen use adjectives like "frozen rope" when describing rivers. it wouldn't be the first time i'm wrong though.

Maybe "freezing" and not quite frozen, but I was pretty impressed with him and would have taken him 2nd to Eli....UGGGH would I have been wrong! I'm not too upset though, so were the Chargers and Giants...LOL

SMadison29
01-25-2006, 08:32 PM
This is happening with Cutler people. He was once projected to go in the 2nd round, and then he moved up into the mid-to-late 1st round. These were all places we thought we could get him.

The mistake people make is that they think he moved up from a second rounder to top 15 pick in a day, he didn't. Cutler did it over the course of the final 3 weeks of the season vs Florida, Kentucky, & Tennessee, two of those three have pretty good defenses. Cutler finished with 12 TDs, 2 interceptions, 64% completion, & 1071 yards. His stock rose justifiably.

Caps
01-25-2006, 08:32 PM
senerio two would probably not get us a starter for next year though. what veteran are you looking to get to "groom" these middle round prospects.

Well, I don't think Cutler could start next year either. But regardless, I could deal with keeping Frerotte for another year or two, or getting McCown, McNair, Volek, etc.

finfan54
01-25-2006, 08:33 PM
Hold a lollipop in front of a two-year-old's face, make him want it, and then pull it away from him. What happens?

He wants it more.

This is happening with Cutler people. He was once projected to go in the 2nd round, and then he moved up into the mid-to-late 1st round. These were all places we thought we could get him.

Now that he appears to be moving into the top 10 of the first round, we're seeing our lollipop being taken away, so we're wanting it more. So much more that we're seeing what could be described as "mortgage the farm for him" ideas all over the board (e.g., trading future #1s, trading Ricky, etc.).

This is a mistake, folks, IMO. Sure we need a QB, but we will eventually be successful without Jay Cutler.

We may not be so successful without what we trade to get him.


No doubt bouts that. Just think, for the next three months we will hear all about Ricky and trades yadda yadda yadda all because of Jay Cutler. Saban will look at all QB's and he will get one that will lead us just fine. We will be a team, not just a team with a QB, which is what we had in Dan Marino, as much as I love Dan. There are some good QB's in this draft that will not get into anybody's "superhero" list but will be just as good because they let the game come to them, not be the guy who makes the game. Joe Montana is a great example, 3rd round draft choice.

finfan54
01-25-2006, 08:36 PM
BTW, Eli manning (currently)= deer in headlights

capecoralfinfan
01-25-2006, 08:37 PM
No doubt bouts that. Just think, for the next three months we will hear all about Ricky and trades yadda yadda yadda all because of Jay Cutler. Saban will look at all QB's and he will get one that will lead us just fine. We will be a team, not just a team with a QB, which is what we had in Dan Marino, as much as I love Dan. There are some good QB's in this draft that will not get into anybody's "superhero" list but will be just as good because they let the game come to them, not be the guy who makes the game. Joe Montana is a great example, 3rd round draft choice.


well there are many examples of lower round picks becoming great, however, that usually takes a few years and a lucky opportunity.

Jnaledu3
01-25-2006, 08:44 PM
There is always a player every year that gets overhyped.

Last year everybody thought Alex Smith was a 2nd day pick, then all the the sudden Mel Kiper has him projected as the number 1 quarterback in the country.

Also, Ronnie Brown was projected to be a late first as he was ranked the 3rd best running back behind Benson and Williams. And he goes number 2 overall.

There is a lot of bull and propaganda in the couple months leading up to the draft. But just wait until the couple days before the draft, after the coaches and personnel people have their draft boards made up and you will know where these guys really stand. Forget what these chicken littles on cold pizza and NFL network are saying.

BIGRED11
01-25-2006, 08:51 PM
charlie whitehurst seems like a possibility but..or is closely physically compared to cutler...but inconsistancy is in question.. i wonder if thats coachable or what his deal is

SMadison29
01-25-2006, 08:51 PM
Last year everybody thought Alex Smith was a 2nd day pick, then all the the sudden Mel Kiper has him projected as the number 1 quarterback in the country.

I still projected him as a second day pick, & I was right. So far he's the biggest #1 pick bust ever & I don't think he's going to get any better.

fish920
01-25-2006, 08:53 PM
it would be nice to get cutler but he is expected to be in the 1st ten picks we have like 17th or something. this is what i see happining... houston takes linart or young instead of busch so they can trade us carr for williams. think about it young+williams makes a damn good offence with o line improvements leaving us with carr and brown. i like it :dolphins:

Jnaledu3
01-25-2006, 08:56 PM
I still projected him as a second day pick, & I was right. So far he's the biggest #1 pick bust ever & I don't think he's going to get any better.

Its too early to say that. He hasnt looked good so far, but neither do most rookie QBs.

Frye was a guy I thought looked really good, and we missed him last year also. And hes looked very good so far in Cleveland. I think this year's version of Charlie Frye is Charlie Whitehurst. He had a very good meeting with the Fins the other day- so he is definately a guy to watch out for in the Senior Bowl.

BIGRED11
01-25-2006, 08:57 PM
it would be nice to get cutler but he is expected to be in the 1st ten picks we have like 17th or something. this is what i see happining... houston takes linart or young instead of busch so they can trade us carr for williams. think about it young+williams makes a damn good offence with o line improvements leaving us with carr and brown. i like it :dolphins:probably not gonnahappen but sounds decent

fish920
01-25-2006, 08:58 PM
:dolphins: :dolphins: :dolphins: :dolphins: :dolphins: :dolphins:
probably not gonnahappen but sounds decent

why not?

sports24/7
01-25-2006, 09:01 PM
I still projected him as a second day pick, & I was right. So far he's the biggest #1 pick bust ever & I don't think he's going to get any better.
How can you make a claim like that? Because he struggled as a rookie? That is what usually happens. I'm not saying he is going to be a star, but give the kid a fair chance before you pass judgement. Cutler is a totally different story than Smith though. Smith's rise was based on the fact that he was in a weak draft that was even weaker at QB. He supposedly had a good workout, but that was it. Cutler is moving up because people are starting to look at some film of him because he was burried down there at Vandy. He is also impressing by Senior Bowl practices which Smith never participated in.

As far as trading the farm to get Cutler: It won't take the farm. Trading our 2nd or a future 1st to get someone who could eventually put our team over the top is in no way trading the farm. If Saban feels this guy is what we need then, trading a 2nd is really nothing in the long run.

ABrownLamp
01-25-2006, 09:01 PM
it would be nice to get cutler but he is expected to be in the 1st ten picks we have like 17th or something. this is what i see happining... houston takes linart or young instead of busch so they can trade us carr for williams. think about it young+williams makes a damn good offence with o line improvements leaving us with carr and brown. i like it :dolphins:

Why would they do that when they just signed domanick davis to a multi-year multi million dollar contract? Why would they do that if they were thinking about getting a free agent?

His Dudeness
01-25-2006, 09:04 PM
Assuming Cutler is the qb that people think he will be.... i wouldnt think twice about trading our 16 and ricky or madison for like the number 8 overall.

Dolfan_Noles
01-25-2006, 09:12 PM
Considering my sig, I shouldnt be hopping off of the Cutler bandwagon, but I am. There have been some very valid points on this board, and he might launch up the way Losman and Cade McNown did, as well as Alex Smith and not be worth anything. I am a big fan now of drafting a guy in the second or third and developing him. Especially since we know he will not be the immediate starter due to the fact that Saban is bringing in a vet.

SMadison29
01-25-2006, 09:16 PM
I can say that because I've seen him play a lot in college & the pros. He's done absolutely nothing to sway my opinion. He doesn't know how to read a defense, he doesn't know how to run a pro offense, doesn't have an arm, his footwork is horrific, he holds onto the ball to long, & doesn't have pocket awareness. That's way to much for him to over come. The 49ers panicked in looking for a franchise QB & made a horrible decision. One that will most likely make Mike Nolan's stay in San Francisco only 3 years.

Jnaledu3
01-25-2006, 09:16 PM
Heres a conspiracy theory for you..

Jeff Fisher is paying these NFL network guys to hype up Cutler so picking him at number 3 looks justified.

Dont know about that, but it sure will be interesting how Fisher plays him in the game. He doesnt want to make him look too good, otherwise the Saints will take him. He also doesnt want him to look bad- otherwise picking him at 3 is a reach.

Remember what happened last year at the Senior Bowl? Carnell Williams was on the field for like 1 play and Gruden pulled him out. He didnt want to raise his stock, otherwise the Fins or Bears would have taken him.

The same thing could happen with Fisher and Cutler. We may only see Cutler for one series in the game.

SMadison29
01-25-2006, 09:17 PM
We've interviewed all of the QBs at Mobile save for Michael Robinson, who just moved to WR.

Lazy1
01-25-2006, 09:22 PM
it would be nice to get cutler but he is expected to be in the 1st ten picks we have like 17th or something. this is what i see happining... houston takes linart or young instead of busch so they can trade us carr for williams. think about it young+williams makes a damn good offence with o line improvements leaving us with carr and brown. i like it :dolphins:

They don't need a back like williams they already have dominack davis. Texans don't need a rb, but a talent like bush you can't pass it up. If the texans choose to go with young or linehart thats fine and dandy for them, but don't draw the dolphins in when there is no linkage to the dolphins and who they would draft.

newlownorder
01-25-2006, 09:22 PM
i remember in 2003 we were all talking about ben being available at our draft position and he moved up rapidly after the senior bowl. now what would any of you give up to get roethlisberger? articles today suggest cutler's arm strength and physical tools are amazing. my question is what would you give up to get him? i know i would give almost anything for ben roethlisberger and by no means am i comparing them as players. simply stated, cutler could be another roethlisberger type guy.


Cutler is no Roethlisberger but I get what your saying. Culter is more of a JP Losman, Patrick Ramsey, Jason Campbell but with more talent. He should go IMO between 10-20 in the 1st round pick.

SMadison29
01-25-2006, 09:23 PM
The same thing could happen with Fisher and Cutler. We may only see Cutler for one series in the game.

I doubt that seeing as Charlie Whitehurst is the only other QB on the roster.


Jeff Fisher is paying these NFL network guys to hype up Cutler so picking him at number 3 looks justified.

No, Mike Mayock is just an idiot.

FINintheMOON
01-25-2006, 09:33 PM
i remember in 2003 we were all talking about ben being available at our draft position and he moved up rapidly after the senior bowl. now what would any of you give up to get roethlisberger? articles today suggest cutler's arm strength and physical tools are amazing. my question is what would you give up to get him? i know i would give almost anything for ben roethlisberger and by no means am i comparing them as players. simply stated, cutler could be another roethlisberger type guy.

I would give the 1st and 3rd or 1st and 5th with Madison...:D

Scuba Steve 13
01-25-2006, 09:35 PM
The jury is still out on Cutler.Big Ben has already proved to the world he is legit.Lets see in 3 years from now how Cutler is and then we'll determine how close he is to Ben.:dolphins: go fins

houtz
01-25-2006, 09:39 PM
I want Cutler very badly. But Croyle has been impressing everyone. Maybe he'd be a good pick up in the later rounds.

wagz
01-25-2006, 09:48 PM
Why would they do that when they just signed domanick davis to a multi-year multi million dollar contract? Why would they do that if they were thinking about getting a free agent?
yeah and since that happened they'll prolly draft an offence lineman or defencive player, davis and carr are decent it's just that the offencive line sucks so bad they make them look bad

dolfn66
01-25-2006, 11:20 PM
Article found over at FOX Sports:

Scouts in attendance have concerns about quarterback Jay Cutler of Vanderbilt. While he physically has the makings of an NFL passer, his mental make-up is a little different. Several people we spoke with say Cutler can be surly at times. Teams aren't willing to invest a fortune in that type of person as the future leader of their franchise.

BigDogsHunt
01-25-2006, 11:33 PM
Article found over at FOX Sports:

Scouts in attendance have concerns about quarterback Jay Cutler of Vanderbilt. While he physically has the makings of an NFL passer, his mental make-up is a little different. Several people we spoke with say Cutler can be surly at times. Teams aren't willing to invest a fortune in that type of person as the future leader of their franchise.

Surly....thats not good. Ryan Leaf was called surly!

marino1348
01-25-2006, 11:35 PM
Quote:
Last year everybody thought Alex Smith was a 2nd day pick, then all the the sudden Mel Kiper has him projected as the number 1 quarterback in the country.

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I still projected him as a second day pick, & I was right. So far he's the biggest #1 pick bust ever & I don't think he's going to get any better.


Come on now, he was only a rookie. He only threw half as many interceptions as bradshaw so he still could be good.

PressCoverage
01-26-2006, 03:48 AM
have i mentioned Walter Payton Award winner Erik Meyer of Eastern Washington? Decent enough size, cannon-arm, super confident, very coachable, smart... And ridiculous numbers, even for Div I-AA

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=127528

KyPhinfan13
01-26-2006, 09:20 AM
Hundreds of players. We need more than just a QB and a second round corner or lineman could make a huge difference for our team's improvement.


I meant at QB.

BlueFin
01-26-2006, 09:37 AM
Quote:
Last year everybody thought Alex Smith was a 2nd day pick, then all the the sudden Mel Kiper has him projected as the number 1 quarterback in the country.

quote
I still projected him as a second day pick, & I was right. So far he's the biggest #1 pick bust ever & I don't think he's going to get any better.


Come on now, he was only a rookie. He only threw half as many interceptions as bradshaw so he still could be good.

That is the type of ignorant thinking that drags the quality of this board down, you don't judge a QB who is a jumior, that gets drafted onto the worst team in the league by only his first season, this instant gratification generation is heading for big problems down the road.