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Zeke0123
01-09-2006, 05:12 PM
Is it just because I am following more closely this year or is this the Deepest Draft in recent memory??? It seems like even the "weak" parts of this draft are average and there is a TON of depth.. Am I right or wrong on this ?

SCall13
01-09-2006, 05:15 PM
This is a very good draft, IMO. Very deep at alot of positions. Just so happens, it's deep at most of our need positions. (Except QB)

PhinSoldia
01-09-2006, 05:19 PM
This is a very good draft, IMO. Very deep at alot of positions. Just so happens, it's deep at most of our need positions. (Except QB)

yes it is...its just not deep with Quality arms that we require for our offense but if you look at the list there are about 30 QB's that have declared thus far

Nappy Roots
01-09-2006, 05:20 PM
yea its an extremely deep draft. tons of great seniors, but yet a lot of juniors are still commiting. 1 reason is this is the last year rookies are going to get this kind of money, i think.

ChambersWI
01-09-2006, 05:31 PM
deep in certain posistions, weaker in others.

There are a lot of solid QBs in this draft. 2 sure first rounders(leinhart,Young), and two possible (Cutler,Jacobs). There are other guys later in the draft who all have good pro potential.

The RB class is good.

The O-Line class is deep, and has some good OTs.

LB is deep.

DBs (CB and S) has the most players that will play in the pros nwxt year. The S's and CBs in this class are insanely deep.

WR isn't deep at all this year (even with Holmes and Jackson declaring)

ckparrothead
01-09-2006, 05:44 PM
In a word, nope.

ckparrothead
01-09-2006, 05:55 PM
Ok I'll go deeper than just saying no. Last year's draft was huge in the RB and CB market. Lots of FAST corners all over the freaking place. Just look around the NFL and you have guys making big contributions as just rookies from Reynaldo Hill to Gerald Sensabaugh to James Sanders, Kerry Rhodes, Jerome Carter, Travis Daniels, Foxworth, Hobbs, Darrent Williams, etc...and those are just rookies drafted from the late 2nd to 7th. The RB market was well-documented as one of the best seen in quite a long time. The QB market was really pretty average and compares well to this year's QB market. The WR market was a lot better than this draft's WR market, but this year's OT market is leagues better than last years so I guess that is even. I though last year's DE/OLB market was quite good especially at the top, compared to this one...and the DT market was pretty durn good too. For all this year's LB market supposed to be the crowd-pleaser, last year's saw 6 guys start and become team leaders and heavy contributors in their rookie year (Merriman, Johnson, Thurman, Tatupu, Crowder, and Morrison).

So pound for pound, I thought last year was a better deeper draft, and I find it no coincidence Miami walked away with three starters and two heavy contributors, with a 6th guy being a coach's choice for LT of the future, and a 7th guy we don't know because he went down injured. That doesn't mean I thought last draft was the best or deepest ever, just that if last draft was better it could hardly mean this draft is the deepest.

Zeke0123
01-09-2006, 06:02 PM
Ok I'll go deeper than just saying no. Last year's draft was huge in the RB and CB market. Lots of FAST corners all over the freaking place. Just look around the NFL and you have guys making big contributions as just rookies from Reynaldo Hill to Gerald Sensabaugh to James Sanders, Kerry Rhodes, Jerome Carter, Travis Daniels, Foxworth, Hobbs, Darrent Williams, etc...and those are just rookies drafted from the late 2nd to 7th. The RB market was well-documented as one of the best seen in quite a long time. The QB market was really pretty average and compares well to this year's QB market. The WR market was a lot better than this draft's WR market, but this year's OT market is leagues better than last years so I guess that is even. I though last year's DE/OLB market was quite good especially at the top, compared to this one...and the DT market was pretty durn good too. For all this year's LB market supposed to be the crowd-pleaser, last year's saw 6 guys start and become team leaders and heavy contributors in their rookie year (Merriman, Johnson, Thurman, Tatupu, Crowder, and Morrison).

So pound for pound, I thought last year was a better deeper draft, and I find it no coincidence Miami walked away with three starters and two heavy contributors, with a 6th guy being a coach's choice for LT of the future, and a 7th guy we don't know because he went down injured. That doesn't mean I thought last draft was the best or deepest ever, just that if last draft was better it could hardly mean this draft is the deepest.Guess it must just be because I am following a little closer this year.... Just seems to me for the holes we are looking to fill it looks damn good rounds 1-4 for S (Saban type) OLB(Saban type) CB(Saban type) and grooming type QB.

ckparrothead
01-09-2006, 06:26 PM
This draft is big on CB/S guys like Jimmy Williams, Michael Huff, and Jason Allen. Otherwise not very good on pure corners. There would be good reason to move all three of those guys to safety in the pros, and that leaves the likes of Minter, Zemaitis, Tye Hill, Anwar Phillips, Ashton Youboty, and Cromartie at CB. Cromartie tops all of them in my book if not for the injury issues. For CB, I'd take last year's draft over ours...and I think Travis Daniels is a great example of that in that you'd like to say he was a steal and went lower than other CBs that he shouldn't have but I mean, Ellis Hobbs? Dominique Foxworth? Darrent Williams? Those guys did pretty darn good in their own right.

No doubt this is sort of the year of the talented mid-round linebacker. The year of the talented top round linebacker too. I wouldn't be disappointed to see Saban stock his cupboard with two of the linebackers in this draft...even if it meant two in the top three rounds. Demeco Ryans or Chad Greenway, Channing Crowder, and Patrick Willis or Cameron Vaughn would be the face of this franchise on defense for many, many, many years. I know people would object because that leaves Zach out, but we play enough 3-4 to get them all some good playing time until Zach's salary levels just become unsustainable.

Nappy Roots
01-09-2006, 06:31 PM
QB-TE-OL-DE-S

are all clearly better and deeper than last years draft IMO.

Jaj
01-09-2006, 06:50 PM
Its weakness is WR, CBs are mediocre, and QBs good with Young declaring as well as Jacobs and the rest is quite good...

ckparrothead
01-09-2006, 06:54 PM
QB-TE-OL-DE-S

are all clearly better and deeper than last years draft IMO.

I guess I could see safety being there, depending on whether you rate Huff, Williams, and Allen as safeties or corners...but if you put them at safety then that just makes this CB class pitiful compared to last year's.

TE does look kind of strong with Davis, Pope, and Lewis. Also some nice lower tier guys with great athleticism like Tim Day for one. Good observation.

As for OL, I'd qualify it. This year's draft is STELLAR at tackle. Unbelievable I'd even say. Ferguson, Scott, Winston, Justice, McNeil, Colledge, Thomas (if he declares), Trueblood, O'Callaghan, and Whitworth...I mean that alone makes it better than I can ever remember. Kind of have to wonder if some teams might see Davin Joseph at tackle after all. As for the guards and centers, last draft had a better class IMO. Jean-Gilles looks better than any individual guy in the last draft's interior, but the rest I think I'd take last draft with Kaczur and Mankins, Buenning, Young, Elton Brown...Sims. It would be tough. I also think last year and this year have very unexciting centers.

QB, I don't see either being better than the other except maybe at the top because of the Vince Young, Matt Leinart thing...and I think Alex Smith is taking a LOT of unfair flack for his rookie performance on a bad offense in San Fran. I think you could toss Rodgers and Cutler into the air and not come out with a definite winner. Leinart and Smith, I know a lot of folks would say Leinart easy but Leinart's getting knocked around now up at his high perch and Smth had a better arm, the same kind of intangibles, better mobility, same size, etc...I love Leinart and all, but really the major difference between last draft and this one is just Vince Young. I think otherwise the mid-round guys like Charlie Frye, Adam Walter, David Greene, Kyle Orton, and Stefan LeFors all compare with the newest rat pack of guys like Jacobs, Croyle, Hackney, Clemens, Gradkowski, Whitehurst, Nealy, etc. Late round guys like Orlovsky, McPherson, and Cassel compare favorably with this draft too. Vince Young declaring throws me off a bit cuz I didn't expect it, but aside from him I see pretty much a very similar QB class.

As for DEs I happen to think last year's class was exceptional and I would find it hard to believe this year's class could produce candidates that stack up next to Ware, Pollack, James, Spears, Roth, Cody, Canty, and Swancutt. I think it would be really tough to pull out that kind of output...keeping in mind that some of this year's guys you may be considering will move to OLB and if we're counting them then you'd better add Merriman back into last year's group.

Nappy Roots
01-09-2006, 07:00 PM
I guess I could see safety being there, depending on whether you rate Huff, Williams, and Allen as safeties or corners...but if you put them at safety then that just makes this CB class pitiful compared to last year's.

TE does look kind of strong with Davis, Pope, and Lewis. Also some nice lower tier guys with great athleticism like Tim Day for one. Good observation.

As for OL, I'd qualify it. This year's draft is STELLAR at tackle. Unbelievable I'd even say. Ferguson, Scott, Winston, Justice, McNeil, Colledge, Thomas (if he declares), Trueblood, O'Callaghan, and Whitworth...I mean that alone makes it better than I can ever remember. Kind of have to wonder if some teams might see Davin Joseph at tackle after all. As for the guards and centers, last draft had a better class IMO. Jean-Gilles looks better than any individual guy in the last draft's interior, but the rest I think I'd take last draft with Kaczur and Mankins, Buenning, Young, Elton Brown...Sims. It would be tough. I also think last year and this year have very unexciting centers.

QB, I don't see either being better than the other except maybe at the top because of the Vince Young, Matt Leinart thing...and I think Alex Smith is taking a LOT of unfair flack for his rookie performance on a bad offense in San Fran. I think you could toss Rodgers and Cutler into the air and not come out with a definite winner. Leinart and Smith, I know a lot of folks would say Leinart easy but Leinart's getting knocked around now up at his high perch and Smth had a better arm, the same kind of intangibles, better mobility, same size, etc...I love Leinart and all, but really the major difference between last draft and this one is just Vince Young. I think otherwise the mid-round guys like Charlie Frye, Adam Walter, David Greene, Kyle Orton, and Stefan LeFors all compare with the newest rat pack of guys like Jacobs, Croyle, Hackney, Clemens, Gradkowski, Whitehurst, Nealy, etc. Late round guys like Orlovsky, McPherson, and Cassel compare favorably with this draft too. Vince Young declaring throws me off a bit cuz I didn't expect it, but aside from him I see pretty much a very similar QB class.

As for DEs I happen to think last year's class was exceptional and I would find it hard to believe this year's class could produce candidates that stack up next to Ware, Pollack, James, Spears, Roth, Cody, Canty, and Swancutt. I think it would be really tough to pull out that kind of output...keeping in mind that some of this year's guys you may be considering will move to OLB and if we're counting them then you'd better add Merriman back into last year's group.


as far as DEs go, i definitly dont count all those DEs that switched to OLB as DEs.

Boomer
01-09-2006, 07:27 PM
Thomas has the confirmed torn ACL.

Nappy Roots
01-09-2006, 08:02 PM
Thomas has the confirmed torn ACL.


thomas howard :confused:

im lost

LIQUID24
01-09-2006, 08:17 PM
Joe Thomas, the excellent left tackle from Wisconsin.

Ironically, he got hurt while playing DT.

Boomer
01-09-2006, 08:32 PM
I think CK was talking about Joe.

Nappy Roots
01-09-2006, 08:53 PM
oh damn. im dumb my bad. i was watching that game, figured that was the case. i remember when he hurt it he didnt even get contact, he landed wrong or something. play going to make a tackle to. that sucks.

Regan21286
01-09-2006, 09:19 PM
Two elite QB prospects in Leinart and Young, two quality prospects in Cutler and Jacobs, and two toss-ups in Hackney and Whitehurst. Still better than last year's Smith/Rodgers duo. Midrange is about par with last year's.

RB's as deep as last year's Brown/Williams/Benson/Arrington/ with Bush/Williams/Drew/Maroney/Addai and could be more if LenDale White enters.

WR's are the weakest. Holmes, Jackson, and Hagan are the only valuable prospects.

Strongest TE group I've seen. Davis, Pope, and Lewis could be instant starters and could top Heath Miller's production.

OL has some good prospects at OT like Winston Justice, Jonathan Scott, Marcus McNeill, D'Brickshaw Ferguson. All have potentials to be Pro Bowl starters. G and C aren't too deep.

DE has a good crop but not as good as last year's. A good number of future NT's (Watson, Ngata, Oshinowo). Deepest LB depth in many years and a lot of good Safeties. CB is a mixed bag because some of the top prospects could use some work on technique and/or physical attributes.

BigDogsHunt
01-09-2006, 09:31 PM
I think CK was talking about Joe.

As long as its not Zach...:D

CD13
01-09-2006, 10:44 PM
I guess I could see safety being there, depending on whether you rate Huff, Williams, and Allen as safeties or corners...but if you put them at safety then that just makes this CB class pitiful compared to last year's.

TE does look kind of strong with Davis, Pope, and Lewis. Also some nice lower tier guys with great athleticism like Tim Day for one. Good observation.

As for OL, I'd qualify it. This year's draft is STELLAR at tackle. Unbelievable I'd even say. Ferguson, Scott, Winston, Justice, McNeil, Colledge, Thomas (if he declares), Trueblood, O'Callaghan, and Whitworth...I mean that alone makes it better than I can ever remember. Kind of have to wonder if some teams might see Davin Joseph at tackle after all. As for the guards and centers, last draft had a better class IMO. Jean-Gilles looks better than any individual guy in the last draft's interior, but the rest I think I'd take last draft with Kaczur and Mankins, Buenning, Young, Elton Brown...Sims. It would be tough. I also think last year and this year have very unexciting centers.

QB, I don't see either being better than the other except maybe at the top because of the Vince Young, Matt Leinart thing...and I think Alex Smith is taking a LOT of unfair flack for his rookie performance on a bad offense in San Fran. I think you could toss Rodgers and Cutler into the air and not come out with a definite winner. Leinart and Smith, I know a lot of folks would say Leinart easy but Leinart's getting knocked around now up at his high perch and Smth had a better arm, the same kind of intangibles, better mobility, same size, etc...I love Leinart and all, but really the major difference between last draft and this one is just Vince Young. I think otherwise the mid-round guys like Charlie Frye, Adam Walter, David Greene, Kyle Orton, and Stefan LeFors all compare with the newest rat pack of guys like Jacobs, Croyle, Hackney, Clemens, Gradkowski, Whitehurst, Nealy, etc. Late round guys like Orlovsky, McPherson, and Cassel compare favorably with this draft too. Vince Young declaring throws me off a bit cuz I didn't expect it, but aside from him I see pretty much a very similar QB class.

As for DEs I happen to think last year's class was exceptional and I would find it hard to believe this year's class could produce candidates that stack up next to Ware, Pollack, James, Spears, Roth, Cody, Canty, and Swancutt. I think it would be really tough to pull out that kind of output...keeping in mind that some of this year's guys you may be considering will move to OLB and if we're counting them then you'd better add Merriman back into last year's group.

I sure hope we grab one of those tackles. What do you think ? I know Dmac is not going to be with us...do you think Alabi is the guy ?

Danny
01-09-2006, 11:19 PM
Two elite QB prospects in Leinart and Young, two quality prospects in Cutler and Jacobs, and two toss-ups in Hackney and Whitehurst. Still better than last year's Smith/Rodgers duo. Midrange is about par with last year's.

RB's as deep as last year's Brown/Williams/Benson/Arrington/ with Bush/Williams/Drew/Maroney/Addai and could be more if LenDale White enters.

WR's are the weakest. Holmes, Jackson, and Hagan are the only valuable prospects.

Strongest TE group I've seen. Davis, Pope, and Lewis could be instant starters and could top Heath Miller's production.

OL has some good prospects at OT like Winston Justice, Jonathan Scott, Marcus McNeill, D'Brickshaw Ferguson. All have potentials to be Pro Bowl starters. G and C aren't too deep.

DE has a good crop but not as good as last year's. A good number of future NT's (Watson, Ngata, Oshinowo). Deepest LB depth in many years and a lot of good Safeties. CB is a mixed bag because some of the top prospects could use some work on technique and/or physical attributes.
I think you sum it all up pretty good on your post.It seems to me like OT and LB are the 2 deepest positions and we can use both.This should be the year we take a good LT and let him start for the next 10 years.I just wish it was better for QB's too but I have a feeling that Nick will get us our QB of the future one way or another.

Ozzy rules!!

ckparrothead
01-09-2006, 11:27 PM
Wow, didn't know Thomas went down like that. Guess he won't come out then huh! LOL.

I see us grabbing a tackle somewhere, I just don't know who that tackle will be or where we'll take him. There are far too many people projecting us to take Andrew Whitworth, and I don't find that likely since you never know who Houck is going to settle on at the position. I personally don't think Saban has much influence over that, I think he lets Houck have his way there. We just have to pay attention to any rumors of Houck having spent a few days with some guy watching film with him and stuff.

Motion
01-10-2006, 12:53 AM
I'd still like to hear the reasoning behind so many people saying next year's QB class is gonna be so much better than this year's?!?!?!