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Hipster
01-09-2006, 05:44 PM
I know we need help at a lot of positions, many more so than WR, but because of certain criteria, WR in the first round seems like the best choice.
I expect a first rounder to contribute right away regardless of position (with the exception of QB) and first rounders come pretty expensive. In looking at the other positions, they just don't make sense for the first.

Offensive Line. Since this is the deepest position in the draft, it is not unlikely that we get a first round talent in the second round. Could get better value later. Plus Houck is such an asset, that we don't need to throw first round picks away to have a great O-line

QB. We won't draft high enough to get the "ready" QB's. If we are going to develop one (Croyle, Jacobs etc...) we shouldn't blow a first pick on one. Also, Sage or Lemon might turn out pretty good with a year of proper coaching (Stupid Wanny)

CB/Safety. Between Mitchell, Poole, Daniels and Bell, there is exactly three years of experience. It's good to have youth, but some experience would be nice. I would much rather address this position in Free Agency, to help stabilize the group.

LB. We have a good core here between Thomas, Spragan and Crowder. It would be nice to infuse some fresh talent, but I think with proper scouting it is possible to get a solid linebacker in the later rounds.

DL. This position was tough, It would certainly be nice to get a monster to add to the group, but again, free agency is the way to go. You can get a lineman much cheaper than a receiver on the open market. Also we have Wright and Vickerson who provide some youth.

Which brings us to WR. Getting a first round talent to team with Booker and Chambers would give us an elite group of receivers. Not just a very good one. Great WR's are expensive. With question marks at QB, having a great receiving core would take some of the pressure off.

Just my thoughts, blast away

PhinSoldia
01-09-2006, 05:48 PM
I know we need help at a lot of positions, many more so than WR, but because of certain criteria, WR in the first round seems like the best choice.
I expect a first rounder to contribute right away regardless of position (with the exception of QB) and first rounders come pretty expensive. In looking at the other positions, they just don't make sense for the first.

Offensive Line. Since this is the deepest position in the draft, it is not unlikely that we get a first round talent in the second round. Could get better value later. Plus Houck is such an asset, that we don't need to throw first round picks away to have a great O-line

QB. We won't draft high enough to get the "ready" QB's. If we are going to develop one (Croyle, Jacobs etc...) we shouldn't blow a first pick on one. Also, Sage or Lemon might turn out pretty good with a year of proper coaching (Stupid Wanny)

CB/Safety. Between Mitchell, Poole, Daniels and Bell, there is exactly three years of experience. It's good to have youth, but some experience would be nice. I would much rather address this position in Free Agency, to help stabilize the group.

LB. We have a good core here between Thomas, Spragan and Crowder. It would be nice to infuse some fresh talent, but I think with proper scouting it is possible to get a solid linebacker in the later rounds.

DL. This position was tough, It would certainly be nice to get a monster to add to the group, but again, free agency is the way to go. You can get a lineman much cheaper than a receiver on the open market. Also we have Wright and Vickerson who provide some youth.

Which brings us to WR. Getting a first round talent to team with Booker and Chambers would give us an elite group of receivers. Not just a very good one. Great WR's are expensive. With question marks at QB, having a great receiving core would take some of the pressure off.

Just my thoughts, blast away


i dont think that no QB talent coming out of the draft is "ready" they all will have to sit a year and then get a year underthier belt...now the lesser Qualities like the Jacobs and the Croyles might have a little more downtime

SuperDuperFan
01-09-2006, 05:52 PM
Im not aware of too many top-notch WR's coming out this year. Does anyone have the scoop on some first rounders who might be worth a look? Otherwise I dont really agree on taking a WR first round. I think we could get a good third WR later in the draft or through free agency. I think right now Saban plans to take the best availble player at #16 and I dont think it will be a reciever.

Hipster
01-09-2006, 05:52 PM
True. I guess I mean, if Frerotte were gone, could we get a QB that could realistically compete for the starting job.

Jimmy James
01-09-2006, 05:53 PM
There isn't good talent at WR up top in this draft. Even if I accepted your analysis of the above positions, you left out a position far more likely to be filled -- safety. This team could use a young playmaker at that position, and there will likely be somebody good who is worth right about the #16 pick.

I also disagree with you about OL. We may be able to get a Vernon Carey in the second round, but we will also be able to get a player *better* than Carey with this pick this year because of the talent available. It should be possible to get a guy who would be a top 5 to top 10 value at Miami's pick if we go OL.

Finally, I'm not so sure it would be a bad thing to go CB even if it would leave the team a little light on experience. It wouldn't be the best thing for 2006, but it would actually leave the team in a better position for 2007 and beyond if you ask me. I think that would be a tradeoff Nick would be willing to make -- he's playing chess, not checkers.

BALLS DEEP
01-09-2006, 05:57 PM
I see only three possiblities in the first round. I'll rank them by odds.

1.) QB - I feel this is THE must!
1.)OL - We need a Mauler. But, see choice one.
2.)CB - Needed. But, for importance, see choice1 and then two.

DreamWeaver
01-09-2006, 06:00 PM
Cutler....if he's there. If not, John Scott or Eric Winston, either one could anchor the LT position for 10 yrs....and with HH, they could be even better!


I just think that there are plenty more pressing needs that could get filled at #16 over WR.

Hipster
01-09-2006, 06:00 PM
I kind of lumped CB and Safety together since IMO they work in tandem, with similar roles. I understand what you are saying with the OL, but I have confidence that Houck could take a player with less talent and make him the best Olineman in the draft

nopony
01-09-2006, 06:03 PM
There are only three postions that I absolutely do NOT want to see us take in the first round.

1- Running back... for obvious reasons.

2- Wide reciever... don't like this class and think we have far bigger needs. Also, historically top flight wide recievers are easier to find later than most positions. They have an enormous bust rate.

3- Cornerback. personal bias. I have seen way too many picks wasted on CBs in the first round... their transition ot the pro game is too hard to judge. Fletcher was a choice I hated.

Now I'd take a safety in a heartbeat. A good, hard-hitting kenny Easley type is easier to project and harder to find later. I'd take Huff in a heartbeat.

Jimmy James
01-09-2006, 06:06 PM
I kind of lumped CB and Safety together since IMO they work in tandem, with similar roles. I understand what you are saying with the OL, but I have confidence that Houck could take a player with less talent and make him the best Olineman in the draft

Imagine what Houck could do with a player who actually has serious skills. Don't you want the next Walter Jones?

As to safety, we have plenty enough experience there. They may work in tandem with CBs, but I thought your point was more about having veterans to learn from.

ckparrothead
01-09-2006, 06:12 PM
In defense of this idea, if Santonio Holmes is available at #16 it would be hard to just pass over him without a second glance.

GatorsFins23
01-09-2006, 06:12 PM
IMO those who have already said the WR crop is pretty thin this year are right. My hope is Cutler, he's the guy I want over the rest (I see ALOT of Favre in him, talent and attitude both). If Cutler isnt there to be had, though I think with Young now coming out Jay will fall to us at 16, I'd be more than happy with anyone out of Ngata, Marcus McNiel, or Michael Huff. Ngata or McNiel will give us a massive anchor in the trenches, and Huff will had some talent and flexibility (I think he can play CB and FS, though I may be wrong there) to our secondary. We're in a good spot this year, draft-wise.

Berg
01-09-2006, 06:13 PM
I expect a first rounder to contribute right away regardless of position (with the exception of QB) and first rounders come pretty expensive. In looking at the other positions, they just don't make sense for the first.


The whole point of a draft is building for the future. Coaches and GM's are not concerned so much with what a player will do his rookie year as with what he will do with the years following his rookie year. While most first rounders should come in and contribute right away most of the time it takes a while to get adjusted to NFL speed and schemes.

That being said, it is pretty rare for NFL rookie receivers to put up great #'s their rookie year.

phinfanNY08
01-09-2006, 06:14 PM
i would like T.O to come in, he will be well worth the hassle, i could care less about his character, we took RW back right? bring him in and let him run along with chambers, mcmike and r&r, all it takes is gus or whoever to heave it, and build a lead, then run the train all the way to the W. a WR in the draft, maybe, but not in the first 3 rounds.

Al13
01-09-2006, 06:14 PM
i really hope michael huff is the man at #16 if we go safety, i just don´t see us drafting OL with the 1st pick we got, i wouldn´mind a LB too

Al13
01-09-2006, 06:18 PM
i would like T.O to come in, he will be well worth the hassle, i could care less about his character, we took RW back right? bring him in and let him run along with chambers, mcmike and r&r, all it takes is gus or whoever to heave it, and build a lead, then run the train all the way to the W. a WR in the draft, maybe, but not in the first 3 rounds.


the thing with T.O. is i also would love to have him here, but if he couldn´t get along with mcnabb how in the world could he get along with frerotte, he would be crying about his catches after 2 weeks probably and then he probably would demand bigtime $$$

Jimmy James
01-09-2006, 06:22 PM
i would like T.O to come in, he will be well worth the hassle, i could care less about his character, we took RW back right?

Ricky is the model of a perfect player if you compare him to TO. Owens has suggested a QB was gay, forced his coach out, seriously insulted another QB, gotten into a serious shouting match with his OC, and made himself totally unwelcome twice. He is not welcome on this team as far as I'm concerned.

gnosis1221
01-09-2006, 06:30 PM
There aren't any top 15 WR prospects this year, other than maybe Santonio Holmes. Maybe that'll change after the combine and what not...

RalphX19X
01-09-2006, 06:30 PM
I say WR Martin Nance in the 2nd round out of Miami of Ohio.
He is 6'5" and runs a 4.35 in the 40.

Jimmy James
01-09-2006, 06:36 PM
I say WR Martin Nance in the 2nd round out of Miami of Ohio.
He is 6'5" and runs a 4.35 in the 40.

I think I speak for everyone here when I say that we'll believe the claim of a 4.35 speed when we see it. For every 25 guys somebody claims has that speed at this time of the year, one guy actually backs it up.

eric-in-tx
01-09-2006, 06:40 PM
also most recievers take a few years to mature... even if you draft a good one he will be mediocre untill year 3

Jimmy James
01-09-2006, 06:42 PM
also most recievers take a few years to mature... even if you draft a good one he will be mediocre untill year 3

This bit of CW has been rebutted to a large extent over the past few years based on the production of the likes of Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Clayton, and Andre Johnson.

PhinSoldia
01-09-2006, 07:21 PM
is there any TRUE speed Wr's in the draft, if not i'm not interested

finfan54
01-09-2006, 09:21 PM
In defense of this idea, if Santonio Holmes is available at #16 it would be hard to just pass over him without a second glance.


this is the guy i was thinking of. I think he will be a good one. Is his teamate coming out too? #7 I think forget his name. He was pretty damn good in that bowl game I thought as well.