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BAMAPHIN 22
01-10-2006, 11:22 AM
Kobe Bryant (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3118/) accomplished something Michael Jordan never did.

Or Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

Or Larry Bird.

Or anyone else in more than 41 years.

Bryant scored 45 points, making him the first player to score at least that many in four consecutive games since November 1964, and the Los Angeles Lakers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/lal/) beat the Indiana Pacers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/ind/) 96-90 Monday night for their third straight victory.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap;_ylt=AkUJQVUKVeX.Do6Umy3kMbo5nYcB?gid=2006010913&prov=ap

King Felix
01-10-2006, 12:48 PM
yeah MJ wwas a team player

DolphinDevil28
01-10-2006, 11:03 PM
I would love to see Kobe Bryant get run over by a bus.

Alex44
01-10-2006, 11:05 PM
Ok stop hateing Kobe because he has skill and takes the game over and COMPETES AGGRESSIVLY which some people fail to do these days

RONNIE H2
01-10-2006, 11:08 PM
I was reading earlier that their is a porn coming out about a NBA star named Tobey Bryan and he meets up with a girl yada yada yada. The name of the Flick is "Backdoor Violation".

MJ 6 rings
Kobe 3
Lebron 0

End of story

Prime
01-10-2006, 11:10 PM
Ok stop hateing Kobe because he has skill and takes the game over and COMPETES AGGRESSIVLY which some people fail to do these days


No doubt he has some mad skills on him, but he needs to learn how to work as a team. He is trying to win by himself and he has a selfish attitude. He doesn't put in faith in his teammates and I'm sure all of his teammates are pissed off at him.

DolphinDevil28
01-10-2006, 11:12 PM
Ok stop hateing Kobe because he has skill and takes the game over and COMPETES AGGRESSIVLY which some people fail to do these days

I couldn't care the **** less about his basketball skills.

I'm talking about as a human being. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE KOBE BRYANT GET RUN OVER BY A BUS.

Alex44
01-10-2006, 11:14 PM
I couldn't care the **** less about his basketball skills.

I'm talking about as a human being. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE KOBE BRYANT GET RUN OVER BY A BUS.


Yeah he did what?

rape? No way he raped her, they had sex but 99.9 percent odds it was consensual so what else do you have on him?

DolphinDevil28
01-10-2006, 11:22 PM
Yeah he did what?

rape? No way he raped her, they had sex but 99.9 percent odds it was consensual so what else do you have on him?

Dude, it's not always about "he did this" or "didn't do that," or facts.

It's about attitude. His stinks. I don't care how many rings he wins or points he scores. As far as I'm concerned, his life is worthless and frankly I wish he would go ahead and proceed with getting run over by that bus.

Alex44
01-10-2006, 11:25 PM
Dude, it's not always about "he did this" or "didn't do that," or facts.

It's about attitude. His stinks. I don't care how many rings he wins or points he scores. As far as I'm concerned, his life is worthless and frankly I wish he would go ahead and proceed with getting run over by that bus.

everyones life is worthless in the end anyway so how do we judge people?

And who gave you the power to decide what kind of person he is or isnt?

His attitude is competitive and cocky, whats wrong with that?

DolphinDevil28
01-10-2006, 11:29 PM
everyones life is worthless in the end anyway so how do we judge people?

And who gave you the power to decide what kind of person he is or isnt?

His attitude is competitive and cocky, whats wrong with that?

Ugh, just agree to disagree, won't you? I told you I hate him. Stop trying to figure out why.

You can't tell me there aren't people you know who you can't stand. Kobe Bryant is an arrogant, selfish, "me me me" prima donna PUNK, and there is NOTHING you can say that will change my mind.

The end.

wazzy
01-10-2006, 11:30 PM
everyones life is worthless in the end anyway so how do we judge people?

And who gave you the power to decide what kind of person he is or isnt?

His attitude is competitive and cocky, whats wrong with that?

I am agreeing with you partially but his attitude has a little more to that like elbowing someone in the face out of revenge:mad:

Alex44
01-10-2006, 11:31 PM
Ugh, just agree to disagree, won't you? I told you I hate him. Stop trying to figure out why.

You can't tell me there aren't people you know who you can't stand. Kobe Bryant is an arrogant, selfish, "me me me" prima donna PUNK, and there is NOTHING you can say that will change my mind.

The end.


I can agree to disagree

I was just trying to find out why, and yeah there are people I hate *Tom Brady* but I dont wish him dead....just seriously hurt :lol:

RONNIE H2
01-10-2006, 11:36 PM
Yeah he did what?

rape? No way he raped her, they had sex but 99.9 percent odds it was consensual so what else do you have on him?

hes a scum and cheated on his wife

DolphinDevil28
01-10-2006, 11:37 PM
I am agreeing with you partially but his attitude has a little more to that like elbowing someone in the face out of revenge:mad:

Precisely.

The elbow was just a drop in the bucket. And then for the NBA to only suspend him for 2 games gives the @sshole the message that it's OK for him to do it and only get a slap on the wrist.

Alex44
01-10-2006, 11:41 PM
hes a scum and cheated on his wife


If everyone that makes a mistake is scum then we are all scum

finfansince72
01-11-2006, 01:13 AM
Im no Kobe fan but he has played great recently. He isnt getting his teamates involved and thats why the Lakers won't do anything in the playoffs but thats more of the fault of Phil Jackson. Phil's letting Kobe do whatever he wants, u watch highlights of the games and Kobe is playing 1 on5 ball, what kind of coach just lets a guy do that every night. Michael did understand team ball and got his team involved.

Prime Time
01-11-2006, 01:39 AM
Precisely.

The elbow was just a drop in the bucket. And then for the NBA to only suspend him for 2 games gives the @sshole the message that it's OK for him to do it and only get a slap on the wrist.

How can you wish death on a human being? THat is very sick.

DolphinDevil28
01-11-2006, 02:12 AM
How can you wish death on a human being? THat is very sick.

It's called hyperbole. When the term "hate" is thrown around so much these days, you have to go above and beyond to really express how you feel about someone's attitude.

I don't wish anyone to die. I just REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY cannot stand kobe bryant.

tucker
01-11-2006, 09:41 PM
everyone loves to hate kobe....getting run over by a bus huh? b/c he may elbow someone? big deal...happens all the time...b/c he's rich and you are not or b/c he screws a hot wife while you dont?

The Confessor
01-11-2006, 09:54 PM
I couldn't care the **** less about his basketball skills.

I'm talking about as a human being. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE KOBE BRYANT GET RUN OVER BY A BUS.


:yeahthat:
:tank: :crying: <-Kobe being an asshat

DolphinDevil28
01-12-2006, 01:43 AM
everyone loves to hate kobe....getting run over by a bus huh? b/c he may elbow someone? big deal...happens all the time...b/c he's rich and you are not or b/c he screws a hot wife while you dont?

*Sigh*

Some people just don't get it. :shakeno:

SMadison29
01-13-2006, 12:14 AM
1st quarter of Kobe v LeBron. Kobe 9 LeBron 10, Lakers with a 3 point lead after Kobe hit an amazing 3 pointer at the buzzer.

SMadison29
01-13-2006, 02:12 AM
Kobe Bryant is just tearing LeBron up even with a sprained shooting wrist. He's the most clutch player in the game today. He's hit 3 20 foot jumpers in LeBron's eye in the final 1:30 of the game. Lakers up by 2 with 8 seconds left.

SMadison29
01-13-2006, 02:17 AM
LeBron chokes at the free throw line, then misses the game winner after the offensive rebound. He's no Kobe.

Roman529
01-13-2006, 02:51 AM
Yep Kobe won it at the end and then LeBron missed...I would still take AI over Kobe.

finfansince72
01-13-2006, 05:14 AM
LeBron chokes at the free throw line, then misses the game winner after the offensive rebound. He's no Kobe.

Cmon now, Kobe is what 6-7 years older? Thats pretty weak.

Kobe in his 3rd year: 19.9pts 5.3 boards 3.8 assts
LeBron in his 3rd year: 30.8 6.5boards 5.8 assists
Numbers of times involved in a highprofile rape case after cheating on wife:
Kobe:1
Lebron:0
Number of times organization blackmailed to get rid of another player and coach:
Kobe: 1
Lebron: 0

Youre right he's no Kobe.

The Confessor
01-13-2006, 07:06 AM
Cmon now, Kobe is what 6-7 years older? Thats pretty weak.

Kobe in his 3rd year: 19.9pts 5.3 boards 3.8 assts
LeBron in his 3rd year: 30.8 6.5boards 5.8 assists
Numbers of times involved in a highprofile rape case after cheating on wife:
Kobe:1
Lebron:0
Number of times organization blackmailed to get rid of another player and coach:
Kobe: 1
Lebron: 0

Youre right he's no Kobe.

Oh contraire,

Number of times organization blackmailed to get rid of another player and coach:
Kobe: 3 (Shaq, Carl Malone, Gary Payton)
Lebron: 0

Lets face it, Kobe is all that is wrong with Professional sports in this day. In fact I will go one step farther and state that
Kobe = TO in shorts and a tanktop, and no friends and very questionable character... at best

Pink_Dove
01-13-2006, 01:09 PM
Cmon now, Kobe is what 6-7 years older? Thats pretty weak.

Kobe in his 3rd year: 19.9pts 5.3 boards 3.8 assts
LeBron in his 3rd year: 30.8 6.5boards 5.8 assists
Numbers of times involved in a highprofile rape case after cheating on wife:
Kobe:1
Lebron:0
Number of times organization blackmailed to get rid of another player and coach:
Kobe: 1
Lebron: 0

Youre right he's no Kobe.

You forgot the number of rings they respectively have ;)
And comparing players in their 3rd year is meaningless because every player follows a different career path. Look at a guy like Bruce Bowen, in his 3rd year he was in the developmental league or Chauncey Billups, who was getting traded and labeled a bust.

Fact is, Sports Illustrated polled all NBA players on who they'd pick to take the last shot in a game, and guess who won ? Kobe

finfansince72
01-13-2006, 06:21 PM
You forgot the number of rings they respectively have ;)
And comparing players in their 3rd year is meaningless because every player follows a different career path. Look at a guy like Bruce Bowen, in his 3rd year he was in the developmental league or Chauncey Billups, who was getting traded and labeled a bust.

Fact is, Sports Illustrated polled all NBA players on who they'd pick to take the last shot in a game, and guess who won ? Kobe

Youre right I left a few things off:

Number of rings without Shaq:
Lebron: 0
Kobe: 0
Number of playoff apperances without Shaq:
Lebron: 0
Kobe: 0
Record in 05/06season without Shaq:
LeBron: 20-13
Kobe: 19-17

Yea if I needed someone to take a last second shot right now it would be Kobe but if it was Kobe or Lebron at THIS point in both careers it would be LeBron. People forget young Kobe chucking airballs in final seconds of big games early in his career. Lebron is a better player now than Kobe was then, I believe in the longrun LeBron will be a better player.

Samphin
01-13-2006, 07:30 PM
Oy vey. Nobody likes a winner I suppose. So many points to address, so little time.

First off, Kobe did throw the elbow, and should have been suspended. However, I don't see anyone complaining when the EXACT SAME THING happened to Kobe a week earlier. No reprecussions for that from theleague and I am sure none of you made a stink about it. Please, uit holding him to a different standard than everyone else.

Kobe and LeBron? Why would you even compare the two? Seriously they play differnet positions essentially and aren't even of the same age group really. Everyone wants to hate Kobe but just remember this. At 21, Kobe won his first NBA championship. LeBron has yet to even appearin a playoff game.

What else? Kobe is slefish unlike Michael Jordan who understood team play. Funny, because I seem to recall Jackson having to reign Jordan in as well. Does Kobe take too many shots? Yes. Does he have to take those shots sometimes? Absolutely. Look who he has around him. Lamar Odom is much more of a facilitator than a scorer and players like Smuch Parker, Devean George and Chris Mihm are way too inconsistant to be relied upon with any type of regularity.

For everyone who blames Kobe and only Kobe for the breakup of the Lakers dynasty, please be quiet. You clearly have no idea what happened and are probably blinded by Shaq being on the Heat. The fact remains that Shaq was a lazy, oft-injured player ( a fact Heat fans are finding out slowly but surely ) who decided since he was injured on company time, he should have surgery and recover on company time instead of over a summer when he should have. Plus, Shaq asked for a contract extension that would have made Jordan blush and disrupted games to yell at Jerry Buss about it.

Who is theone who keeps taking shots at his former teammate and team? It certainly isn't Kobe. Kobe has stated many times that the media needs to "move on" when it comes to Shaq and Kobe. I would advise Shaq (and Jerry Buss for that matter) to do the same. Both are coming off like spoiled babies.

Kobe made Phil quit? Kobe cheated on his wife? Funny, Magic Johnson did the same exact thing and is held in the highest regard. Face it, Kobe just rubs you guys the wrong way because he doesn't smile for the cameras as much as others do and could care less what you think of him, unlike others who cowtow. He has ice water in his veins and it shows when he hits game winner after game winner like he did last night.

finfansince72
01-13-2006, 07:53 PM
Oy vey. Nobody likes a winner I suppose. So many points to address, so little time.

First off, Kobe did throw the elbow, and should have been suspended. However, I don't see anyone complaining when the EXACT SAME THING happened to Kobe a week earlier. No reprecussions for that from theleague and I am sure none of you made a stink about it. Please, uit holding him to a different standard than everyone else.

Kobe and LeBron? Why would you even compare the two? Seriously they play differnet positions essentially and aren't even of the same age group really. Everyone wants to hate Kobe but just remember this. At 21, Kobe won his first NBA championship. LeBron has yet to even appearin a playoff game.

What else? Kobe is slefish unlike Michael Jordan who understood team play. Funny, because I seem to recall Jackson having to reign Jordan in as well. Does Kobe take too many shots? Yes. Does he have to take those shots sometimes? Absolutely. Look who he has around him. Lamar Odom is much more of a facilitator than a scorer and players like Smuch Parker, Devean George and Chris Mihm are way too inconsistant to be relied upon with any type of regularity.

For everyone who blames Kobe and only Kobe for the breakup of the Lakers dynasty, please be quiet. You clearly have no idea what happened and are probably blinded by Shaq being on the Heat. The fact remains that Shaq was a lazy, oft-injured player ( a fact Heat fans are finding out slowly but surely ) who decided since he was injured on company time, he should have surgery and recover on company time instead of over a summer when he should have. Plus, Shaq asked for a contract extension that would have made Jordan blush and disrupted games to yell at Jerry Buss about it.

Who is theone who keeps taking shots at his former teammate and team? It certainly isn't Kobe. Kobe has stated many times that the media needs to "move on" when it comes to Shaq and Kobe. I would advise Shaq (and Jerry Buss for that matter) to do the same. Both are coming off like spoiled babies.

Kobe made Phil quit? Kobe cheated on his wife? Funny, Magic Johnson did the same exact thing and is held in the highest regard. Face it, Kobe just rubs you guys the wrong way because he doesn't smile for the cameras as much as others do and could care less what you think of him, unlike others who cowtow. He has ice water in his veins and it shows when he hits game winner after game winner like he did last night.

You act as though its just fans that don't like Kobe. Its everyone he's played with also. His own teamates can't stand him. Jordan and Johnson were always well liked. I actually respect that Kobe isnt out there 'cowtowing' but he isn't a great person, sorry but thats just the truth, not hating. People don't like Kobe because he handles himself poorly in the public eye and oh yea he was in a very public rape case that he got himself into by acting like a ******.
Kobe hasnt done anything without Shaq so Im not sure what youre blasting Shaq for. Shaq has turned 3 franchises into winners in his career, so far Kobe hasnt turned any franchise into a winner without Shaq. Shaq was out of shape and he deserves to be criticized because of that, but things could have been worked out in LA. Kobe wanted the team for himself and thats why things worked out the way things did. Kobe orchestrated that, thinking otherwise is idiotic.

PHINATIC13
01-13-2006, 08:22 PM
Oy vey. Nobody likes a winner I suppose. So many points to address, so little time.

First off, Kobe did throw the elbow, and should have been suspended. However, I don't see anyone complaining when the EXACT SAME THING happened to Kobe a week earlier. No reprecussions for that from theleague and I am sure none of you made a stink about it. Please, uit holding him to a different standard than everyone else.

Kobe and LeBron? Why would you even compare the two? Seriously they play differnet positions essentially and aren't even of the same age group really. Everyone wants to hate Kobe but just remember this. At 21, Kobe won his first NBA championship. LeBron has yet to even appearin a playoff game.

What else? Kobe is slefish unlike Michael Jordan who understood team play. Funny, because I seem to recall Jackson having to reign Jordan in as well. Does Kobe take too many shots? Yes. Does he have to take those shots sometimes? Absolutely. Look who he has around him. Lamar Odom is much more of a facilitator than a scorer and players like Smuch Parker, Devean George and Chris Mihm are way too inconsistant to be relied upon with any type of regularity.

For everyone who blames Kobe and only Kobe for the breakup of the Lakers dynasty, please be quiet. You clearly have no idea what happened and are probably blinded by Shaq being on the Heat. The fact remains that Shaq was a lazy, oft-injured player ( a fact Heat fans are finding out slowly but surely ) who decided since he was injured on company time, he should have surgery and recover on company time instead of over a summer when he should have. Plus, Shaq asked for a contract extension that would have made Jordan blush and disrupted games to yell at Jerry Buss about it.

Who is theone who keeps taking shots at his former teammate and team? It certainly isn't Kobe. Kobe has stated many times that the media needs to "move on" when it comes to Shaq and Kobe. I would advise Shaq (and Jerry Buss for that matter) to do the same. Both are coming off like spoiled babies.

Kobe made Phil quit? Kobe cheated on his wife? Funny, Magic Johnson did the same exact thing and is held in the highest regard. Face it, Kobe just rubs you guys the wrong way because he doesn't smile for the cameras as much as others do and could care less what you think of him, unlike others who cowtow. He has ice water in his veins and it shows when he hits game winner after game winner like he did last night.


An absolutely beautiful post Samphin.I seldom bring up any positive(s) about Kobe or the Lakers.I fully understand this is a Dolphin site(Miami Heat) and most here can't see past the hatered they have for Kobe to be non bias towards him.

PHINATIC13
01-13-2006, 08:24 PM
You act as though its just fans that don't like Kobe. Its everyone he's played with also. His own teamates can't stand him. Jordan and Johnson were always well liked. I actually respect that Kobe isnt out there 'cowtowing' but he isn't a great person, sorry but thats just the truth, not hating. People don't like Kobe because he handles himself poorly in the public eye and oh yea he was in a very public rape case that he got himself into by acting like a ******.
Kobe hasnt done anything without Shaq so Im not sure what youre blasting Shaq for. Shaq has turned 3 franchises into winners in his career, so far Kobe hasnt turned any franchise into a winner without Shaq. Shaq was out of shape and he deserves to be criticized because of that, but things could have been worked out in LA. Kobe wanted the team for himself and thats why things worked out the way things did. Kobe orchestrated that, thinking otherwise is idiotic.

Case in point.

The Confessor
01-13-2006, 08:28 PM
An absolutely beautiful post Samphin.I seldom bring up any positive(s) about Kobe or the Lakers.I fully understand this is a Dolphin site(Miami Heat) and most here can't see past the hatered they have for Kobe to be non bias towards him.

I havent said I dont think Kobe is a good ballplayer. There is no doubt about that, but what I am stating is that he is a grade-1 a-hole.
Also, he has been scoring, what in the high 40s-50s every game? He has also been taking 30 shots a game. Oh and btw, who is the second best player on the lakers this year? How long is it gonna be before Lamar and Kobe square up again.
My prediction, Kobe will average 35-40 points a game and average over 30 shots a game this season, the lakers will barely make or miss the playoffs and Lamar Odom will be with a different team before the end of the season.

PHINATIC13
01-13-2006, 08:52 PM
I havent said I dont think Kobe is a good ballplayer. There is no doubt about that, but what I am stating is that he is a grade-1 a-hole.
Also, he has been scoring, what in the high 40s-50s every game? He has also been taking 30 shots a game. Oh and btw, who is the second best player on the lakers this year? How long is it gonna be before Lamar and Kobe square up again.
My prediction, Kobe will average 35-40 points a game and average over 30 shots a game this season, the lakers will barely make or miss the playoffs and Lamar Odom will be with a different team before the end of the season.

To each his own.Your entitled to your opinion like everyone else here.All I can say is will see. I don't claim to be able to predict what will happen this year or next.I will say we (Lakers) have played really well against what is to be considered the better teams in the league.

The Confessor
01-13-2006, 08:57 PM
To each his own.Your entitled to your opinion like everyone else here.All I can say is will see. I don't claim to be able to predict what will happen this year or next.I will say we (Lakers) have played really well against what is to be considered the better teams in the league.

Agreed and you are entitled to route for your guys. But I will say if you (Lakers) have "played really good against what is considered to be the better teams in the league", you have really stunk it up against the bad ones. Going into tonight you are 19-17, including 8-12 in div and 1-2 in conference. A conference that is WAY down this year I might add.

PHINATIC13
01-13-2006, 09:07 PM
Agreed and you are entitled to route for your guys. But I will say if you (Lakers) have "played really good against what is considered to be the better teams in the league", you have really stunk it up against the bad ones. Going into tonight you are 19-17, including 8-12 in div and 1-2 in conference. A conference that is WAY down this year I might add.

True dat. Just the other night we made Portland look like they are finals bound:shakeno:. It's nearly the half way point of the season, we need to step it up now(mostly defense) to secure a 5-8 slot in the playoffs.

The Confessor
01-13-2006, 09:10 PM
True dat. Just the other night we made Portland look like they are finals bound:shakeno:. It's nearly the half way point of the season, we need to step it up now(mostly defense) to secure a 5-8 slot in the playoffs.

I would look at two things. Injuries is gonna be huge for your guys (You have absolutely 0 depth) and what the schedule looks like the last 3 weeks of the season.
You are right on the money, a few wins ~vs~ losses could be the difference between being a 5 slot and missing out all-together.

Samphin
01-14-2006, 05:05 AM
You act as though its just fans that don't like Kobe. Its everyone he's played with also. His own teamates can't stand him. Jordan and Johnson were always well liked. I actually respect that Kobe isnt out there 'cowtowing' but he isn't a great person, sorry but thats just the truth, not hating. People don't like Kobe because he handles himself poorly in the public eye and oh yea he was in a very public rape case that he got himself into by acting like a ******.
Kobe hasnt done anything without Shaq so Im not sure what youre blasting Shaq for. Shaq has turned 3 franchises into winners in his career, so far Kobe hasnt turned any franchise into a winner without Shaq. Shaq was out of shape and he deserves to be criticized because of that, but things could have been worked out in LA. Kobe wanted the team for himself and thats why things worked out the way things did. Kobe orchestrated that, thinking otherwise is idiotic.

Revisionist history must be a fun thing. Jordan was not well liked by all his teammates. In fact, he intimdated and belittled players who he felt didn't play up to his standards. If you don't believe me, go ask Kwame Brown who was call a Maggot with an F, in practice in front of everyone my Mike, who had drafted him! People seem to forget that Michael Jordan gambled, smoked and treated some players like dirt just because he is Michael.

Meanwhile, Kobe is always be blasted for handling himself like an a-hole in the media which really is a false claim made up by people. Someone give me quotes by him that make him out to be an a-hole. Because he won't spar with Shaq through the media? Blame Shaq for being a spoiled brat? Because the media keeps saying Kobe started the chain of events in L.A.? No one has ever confirmed it. I don't doubt that Kobe has input, but that is no different than Jason Kidd who got his coaches fired and beat his wife, but he gets a free pass, right?

Look, Shaq asked to be traded when he knew he was not going to get the astronomical ocntract extension he thought he deserved ( and didn't ). Shaq is now acting like a jilted lover, complainging to anyone who will listen about how the Lakers did him wrong, when in fact, it was Shaq who lobbied to bring in Phil Jackson by *GASP* helping poopcan the former coaches in L.A.

Kobe has never won a ring without Shaq? Vice versa as well my friends. In fact, Shaq was quote dmany times during the dynasty that Kobe was, in fact, the true MVP of the team and league. He won't cop to it now, but he said it.

Listen, Kobe isn't perfect. He cheated on his wife, he does take too many shots and he is a bit standoff-ish. But can you blame the guy for the latter? I mean, everyone says how much they hae you, are you going to be trusting and cordial with everyone? Doubt it. All I am saying is hold Kobe to the same levels of decency you hold everyone else. Everyone outside of L.A. and its fanbase seems to love piling on and spewing so called "facts" about him that are just untrue greatly exagerrated. I understand that asking for fairness to Kobe on a Miami board is laughable but please, at least be reasonable.

finfansince72
01-14-2006, 06:46 AM
Kobe lost my respect when he implicated Shaq in that 'incident' in Colorado. Remember him saying 'hey shaq pays women all the time to shut up', great guy eh? Thats why Shaq goes after him, that was so low to do that to someone its just unforgivable. Kobe forced the management to choose between him and Shaq, it wasnt Shaq that forced his way out.
Shaq has been more successful in his career without Kobe than Kobe has been without him. He led Orlando, an expansion team to the finals. He led the Heat to within 1 game of the Finals. Kobe hasnt led a team to the playoffs yet.
Does Kobe even have a friend in this world? I mean seriously. Yea Jordan was disliked by some but liked by most, Im not sure if Kobe's wife likes him. Im sorry but when everyone around you doesnt like you, most can't even stand you, youre co-workers don't like you, you have a problem. Its more than just an image problem, theres somethign wrong with Kobe, Im sorry I know hes your boy but you have to admit, people just don't like Kobe.
I never really liked Jordan and some of the other superstars in other sports but I still enjoyed watching him play and win. Kobe is fun to watch but theres just something about him that makes me want to see him lose. I can't remember feeling that way about anyone else.

UCFinfan86
01-14-2006, 09:41 AM
I hate kobe, and i have a friend that is a lakers fan who lives in L.A. and he can't stand him as well. He is always talking about ways to get kobe out of LA. I don't hate him because of the thing with shaq because both are doing it for publicity in my opinion. I dislike kobe because of his arrogance on and off the court. The elbow to miller, was the last straw for me, that could have done serious damage. Even after he never even said that he wished he didn't do it because he could have really hurt miller, he just said he wish he didnt do it because he didnt want to be suspended.

When you take 30 shots a game, if you don't score 30-40 points that is sorta of pathetic. I have seen plenty of times where kobe will drive and shoot a jump shot or drive with his other 4 players basically just standing there knowin they aren't part of this play and kobe will do it all. I think a real superstar and a guy that wants to win and not just score and look goods will focus on getting his teammates involved. i think kobe is a good scorer and that is all, a superstar is a guy that does it all.

finfansince72
01-14-2006, 12:33 PM
I hate kobe, and i have a friend that is a lakers fan who lives in L.A. and he can't stand him as well. He is always talking about ways to get kobe out of LA. I don't hate him because of the thing with shaq because both are doing it for publicity in my opinion. I dislike kobe because of his arrogance on and off the court. The elbow to miller, was the last straw for me, that could have done serious damage. Even after he never even said that he wished he didn't do it because he could have really hurt miller, he just said he wish he didnt do it because he didnt want to be suspended.

When you take 30 shots a game, if you don't score 30-40 points that is sorta of pathetic. I have seen plenty of times where kobe will drive and shoot a jump shot or drive with his other 4 players basically just standing there knowin they aren't part of this play and kobe will do it all. I think a real superstar and a guy that wants to win and not just score and look goods will focus on getting his teammates involved. i think kobe is a good scorer and that is all, a superstar is a guy that does it all.

A superstar makes his team better. Kobe hasnt led his team to even an 8th seed playoff birth yet. In the NBA thats pretty weak. I really think there are quite a few players in the NBA that would average over 30 a night if they were allowed to sacrifice running an offense and being a team guy and took 30+ shots a night. Its really not that impressive.

The Confessor
01-14-2006, 12:40 PM
A superstar makes his team better. Kobe hasnt led his team to even an 8th seed playoff birth yet. In the NBA thats pretty weak. I really think there are quite a few players in the NBA that would average over 30 a night if they were allowed to sacrifice running an offense and being a team guy and took 30+ shots a night. Its really not that impressive.

On he subject of Michael Jordon, he made everybody else on his team look like superstars. Pippen would never have been an elite player without Jordan. Steve Kerr> Please, how about my homeboy Luke Longley? AS much as I love him for being a UNM Lobo standout, not even close, Will Purdue etc etc etc.... Oh yeah, and all those rings he wears......

Samphin
01-14-2006, 01:24 PM
Please, Kobe has had exactly ONE year where he hasn't played with Shaq, yet he has never led his team to the playoffs. In case you guys forgot, Kobe was injured for quite awhile last year, their coach quit on them mid season, and Frank Hamblin, who replaced Rudy, came in and completely overhauled the offense again. I doubt most teams could have overocme all of that. Meanwhile, people seem to forget that Jordan never made it to the playoffs until Scottie Pippen came along. LeBron has yet to make it to the playoffs but he is the greatest in waiting right?

The elbow was the last straw? Please. Players get into scraps all the time. A week earlier Kobe was tattooed with an elbow and nary a word from any of you to come to his defense I am sure. Shaq flipped out and tried to take Brad Miller's head off. Was that the last straw for you about him?

Saying you hate Kobe for what he "allegedly" said to police is stupid. If you followed that case at all, you would know that the cops are the ones who said he said that, no one else. It has been proven that those cops in Colorado bungled everything and pretty much, had it in for Kobe, so taking anything they say as truth is iffy at best.

As for no teammates liking Kobe. That is BS. Caron Butler and Kobe had a great relationship. Contract issuesforced Caron to have to be traded. Malone and Kobe were friends until Malone tried to hit on Kobe's wife. That will pretty much sour most relationships. Kobe an dShaq got along until their rift, which you cannot seriously blame all on Kobe. Not when it has happened before with Shaq and Penny, Shaq and Eddie Jones. If anything, you may need to take a look at Shaq and coutndown the days until his blowup with Wade.

His other teammates seme to like him. There have been a few arguments but every team has those once in awhile. To say everyone dislikes him is false and smacks of media sensationalizing. Just because fans hate him, doesn't mean everyone in the NBA does. Quit projecting your thoughts as the thoughts of everyone else.

Like I said, Kobe is not perfect. He certainly loses respect from me for cheating on his wife. I would like to see him shoot a little less, but then again, I would like to see someone else on the Lakers become a daily threat and justify their shots as well. I just don't see why everyone hates the guy. I feel the same way about Artest. Everyone wants to villify him as well, but I just don't see it. He was right when he went into the stands in Detroit. Asking for a trade is nothing new. Almost evryone does it. The only thing I really see wrong with Artest is that he is on the wrong side of the media's favorite's list.

finfansince72
01-14-2006, 01:49 PM
Hey man I appreciate you sticking up for your boy but its like trying to turn the tide back with a bucket, it aint happening. People all agree Kobe is a great player but people just don't like Kobe. You can believe what you want but no one sticks up for Kobe, even when he was charged with Rape all that time no one really defended him too hard. Why were people so quick to believe he could do that? Kobe did settle that case and admit that he was wrong so take that as u will.
I do believe he said those things about Shaq, thats a pretty 'out there' statement for cops to just make up. Sorry I believe he said that and thats just disgusting to implicate a 'friend' in your rape defense.
As for me speaking for anyone else? Where do you get that? I post under my name and speak for myself and what I see. I think thats pretty much understood in a message board and doesnt need to be stated.

Roman529
01-14-2006, 03:24 PM
Kobe and Phil will be watching the playoffs on tv....they are the 2nd best team in LA.....go ahead and shoot it 40 times a game Kobe....it won't get you many wins.

PHINATIC13
01-14-2006, 03:40 PM
Kobe and Phil will be watching the playoffs on tv....they are the 2nd best team in LA.....go ahead and shoot it 40 times a game Kobe....it won't get you many wins.





OK Nosteadamus.:tongue:

Samphin
01-14-2006, 09:30 PM
I realize people just don't like Kobe. That is my point. It is unjustified. People just say he rubs them the wrong way for some reason but they rarely state examples why. He is certainly not my favorite person, I just don't see the reason to hate the guy.He really hasn't done too many things wrong in my opinion.

Samphin
01-14-2006, 09:31 PM
OK Nosteadamus.:tongue:


Play nice, please. -inFINS

The Confessor
01-14-2006, 09:38 PM
:goof:

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And I think you really need to take off the yellow and purple glasses. Fact is Kobe doesnt have many friends. He is not liked by the majority of the public or team-mates. Sorry, but just cause you want everybody to like him doesnt mean we do. It makes it much easier for me to root for anybody else.. :goof:

Buddwalk
01-14-2006, 09:44 PM
I couldn't care the **** less about his basketball skills.

I'm talking about as a human being. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE KOBE BRYANT GET RUN OVER BY A BUS.

Same here ;)


Give it 2 years lebron will be what michael jordan was in the nba.

Samphin
01-15-2006, 01:26 AM
:shakeno: :shakeno: That was completely un-called for.
And I think you really need to take off the yellow and purple glasses. Fact is Kobe doesnt have many friends. He is not liked by the majority of the public or team-mates. Sorry, but just cause you want everybody to like him doesnt mean we do. It makes it much easier for me to root for anybody else..


It was a play on words. Don't be so sensitive. Personally, if everyone wants to unjustly hate Kobe, fine. I don't care. I just find it silly when everyone says how much of a punk he is but then can't site actual evidence of it.

Another case in point. Kobe is driving to the lane tonight when Mike Dunleavy BLATANTLY elbows Kobe in the face.No flagrant called. I doubt anyone here would objectively look at that call. Had it been theother way around though, you bet your sweet bippy that people would be up in arms. Kobe just seems to have that effect on people.

MiamiDolphins34
01-17-2006, 11:23 AM
Same here ;)


Give it 2 years lebron will be what michael jordan was in the nba.

You mean Wade :tongue:

Samphin
01-17-2006, 12:30 PM
Just to further prove my point about Kobe. The Lakers are 0-7 this year when Lamar Odom takes more than 15 shots.

Both the offense and defense are ranked in the top ten in the league. That is really why they turned it around. Everyone started playing defense with Kobe.

Fresh
01-17-2006, 01:51 PM
Simple...

Kobe should not be named in the same sentence as Jordan.
LeBron should not be named in the same sentence as Jordan.
LeBron should not be named in the same sentence as Kobe.

Truth of the matter, LeBron is clearly the league's most overrated player. Kobe isn't overrated individually, but I bet you he'll NEVER see another ring in his career.

Samphin
01-17-2006, 02:06 PM
Simple...

Kobe should not be named in the same sentence as Jordan.
LeBron should not be named in the same sentence as Jordan.
LeBron should not be named in the same sentence as Kobe.

Truth of the matter, LeBron is clearly the league's most overrated player. Kobe isn't overrated individually, but I bet you he'll NEVER see another ring in his career.


...except for those 4 million dollar ones he will have to buy his wife to keep her "happy."

Section126
01-17-2006, 03:44 PM
Look...I am not hating on Kobe....

But these are undeniable facts:

1) Kobe is the best offensive player since MJ.

2) Kobe is the best all around INDIVIDUAL player in the NBA.

3) Kobe is a little immature.

4) Kobe is a scumbag.

5) Kobe is a bad teammate.

6) Kobe is a coach killer.

7) Kobe is selfish.

8) Kobe is not liked by many players or people in the NBA.

Martel
01-17-2006, 04:13 PM
Look...I am not hating on Kobe....

But these are undeniable facts:

1) Kobe is the best offensive player since MJ.

2) Kobe is the best all around INDIVIDUAL player in the NBA.

3) Kobe is a little immature.

4) Kobe is a scumbag.

5) Kobe is a bad teammate.

6) Kobe is a coach killer.

7) Kobe is selfish.

8) Kobe is not liked by many players or people in the NBA.


Fair enough.....

But this is basketball we're talking about, not judgeyourlifeball and Kobe can flat out ball!!

I used to hate him, but now i'm coming around. Dude is sick. No other way to put. He shoots so much because the rest of the team is garbage. I'd rather watch Kobe shoot than Slava break the backboard with another one of those bricks from half court. Dude puts on a show every night and plays hard. He's carrying a bunch of scrubs right now and if you can't see that.....well then you are just hatin!

Samphin
01-17-2006, 05:17 PM
Kobe the coach killer? Meanwhile Shaq is pulling the strings in Miami. Nary a word about that though...

Section126
01-17-2006, 06:55 PM
Kobe the coach killer? Meanwhile Shaq is pulling the strings in Miami. Nary a word about that though...


I'll give you an hour to edit this post before you get laughed off the board.

PHINATIC13
01-17-2006, 09:47 PM
Samphin I'm with ya man but we're on the wrong site to get any unbias opinions and that's just my opinion.Hey if they don't like Kobe so be it.We can't make people like someone cause we do.Kobe has made huge steps to change is media image,but if you don't like someone it's really a mute point.Besides some people just hate a winner.

Samphin
01-17-2006, 11:51 PM
Samphin I'm with ya man but we're on the wrong site to get any unbias opinions and that's just my opinion.Hey if they don't like Kobe so be it.We can't make people like someone cause we do.Kobe has made huge steps to change is media image,but if you don't like someone it's really a mute point.Besides some people just hate a winner.


I know. I guess I just don't like piling on for the sake of piling on. you know that Kobe isn't perfect, just like I do, but acting like this guy kicks babies and poops on puppies is just asinine. He is no worse than about 98% of the league yet people treat him like dirt.

I agree, he keeps leading the Lakers to victory, FORCING the media to shut up about him being "selfish."

Samphin
01-17-2006, 11:52 PM
I'll give you an hour to edit this post before you get laughed off the board.


:rolleyes:

If you say so. By my watch it has been about 5 and no one is laughing. But, in the interest of fair play, I will give YOU an hour to edit this post before you get laughed off this same board. :shakeno:

Fresh
01-18-2006, 12:43 AM
Seriously, I think the meaning of the Shaq/Kobe confrontation last night was supposed to put an end to this ridiculous debate of who likes who. Done it.

Section126
01-18-2006, 02:23 AM
:rolleyes:

If you say so. By my watch it has been about 5 and no one is laughing. But, in the interest of fair play, I will give YOU an hour to edit this post before you get laughed off this same board. :shakeno:


What you posted is ridiculous, and your continued rationalizing over Kobe is what is really laughable.

Samphin
01-18-2006, 06:40 PM
What you posted is ridiculous, and your continued rationalizing over Kobe is what is really laughable.


On a sidenote: I am sure you have heard this before on here, but whenever I read your posts, I picture you as that guy in your avatar. :lol: I keep waiting for you to call me a c-sucker one of these days.

Section126
01-18-2006, 10:50 PM
On a sidenote: I am sure you have heard this before on here, but whenever I read your posts, I picture you as that guy in your avatar. :lol: I keep waiting for you to call me a c-sucker one of these days.


Nah...I wouldn't do that to you....I like you...it's just this fixation you have with Kobe that bugs me.

Samphin
01-19-2006, 12:35 AM
Nah...I wouldn't do that to you....I like you...it's just this fixation you have with Kobe that bugs me.


Not saying you would. I just seem tp picture that guy debating me rather than, uhm, you, I guess? :lol:

I am not fixated on Kobe. Remember, I am a Lakers fan. If winning more rings meant sending Kobe to Atlanta, I wouldn't hesitate to do it. Sort of like us with Miami. I doubt very seriously that we would keep Marino if someone told us we would be guarenteed to win one without him.