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Puffboy(ricky)
01-12-2006, 05:14 PM
looking at the teams ahead of us that need a qb

TEAM QB need
1) Houston Texans (2-14) no - maybe
2) New Orleans Saints (3-13) yes!!!!!
3) Tennessee Titans (4-12) yes!!!!!
4) New York Jets (4-12) yes!!!!
5) Green Bay Packers (4-12) no
6) Oakland Raiders (4-12) yes!
7) San Francisco 49ers (4-12) no
8) Buffalo Bills (5-11) maybe yes
9) Detroit Lions (5-11) yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10) Arizona Cardinals (5-11) yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11) St. Louis Rams (6-10) maybe yes
12) Cleveland Browns (6-10) no
13) Baltimore Ravens (6-10) yes!
14) Philadelphia Eagles (6-10) no
15) Atlanta Falcons (8-8) no
16) Miami Dolphins (9-7) YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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01-12-2006, 05:17 PM
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BigDogsHunt
01-12-2006, 05:43 PM
looking at the teams ahead of us that need a qb

TEAM QB need
1) Houston Texans (2-14) no - maybe
2) New Orleans Saints (3-13) yes!!!!!
3) Tennessee Titans (4-12) yes!!!!!
4) New York Jets (4-12) yes!!!!
5) Green Bay Packers (4-12) no
6) Oakland Raiders (4-12) yes!
7) San Francisco 49ers (4-12) no
8) Buffalo Bills (5-11) maybe yes
9) Detroit Lions (5-11) yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10) Arizona Cardinals (5-11) yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11) St. Louis Rams (6-10) maybe yes
12) Cleveland Browns (6-10) no
13) Baltimore Ravens (6-10) yes!
14) Philadelphia Eagles (6-10) no
15) Atlanta Falcons (8-8) no
16) Miami Dolphins (9-7) YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your logic is slightly flawed. Lets say, even if all 15 teams in front needed a QB, you simply cant presume all would feel it necessary to take one in the 1st round over other areas of need and deplete the QB pool completely. Other better rated players from various positions would be rated higher then the last standing QB and thats who those teams in front of us will take.

I know what you mean, and in the end its quite possible that no logical 1st Round QB is available for us at 16 and all the others we would have liked would be taken before we pick at 16, but history has proven more times than not that its just as likely based on many, many mock drafts that things will shake out and indeed a QB worthy of the 16th pick will be there. Time will tell.

Puffboy(ricky)
01-12-2006, 06:23 PM
Your logic is slightly flawed. Lets say, even if all 15 teams in front needed a QB, you simply cant presume all would feel it necessary to take one in the 1st round over other areas of need and deplete the QB pool completely. Other better rated players from various positions would be rated higher then the last standing QB and thats who those teams in front of us will take.

I know what you mean, and in the end its quite possible that no logical 1st Round QB is available for us at 16 and all the others we would have liked would be taken before we pick at 16, but history has proven more times than not that its just as likely based on many, many mock drafts that things will shake out and indeed a QB worthy of the 16th pick will be there. Time will tell.

Wasn't saying that any of these teams would reach for a qb over another need, but most mock drafts don't have the Lions taking a QB in round one but of any team we know that QB is their most pressing need and would draft young, leinart, or culter before our pick. As is true for some of the others listed in my post. We also know that WE will not reach and draft a qb that isn't a 1st round talent in round one. Other teams see as we do that there is not much to pick from as vet qb's go. Passing on the top 4 qb's in this draft won't happen this year I believe anyway

Pauly
01-12-2006, 09:53 PM
TEAM QB need
1) Houston Texans (2-14) maybe - see if David Carr's contract gets extended
2) New Orleans Saints (3-13) yes
3) Tennessee Titans (4-12) maybe - Billy Volek is capable even if McNair leaves.
4) New York Jets (4-12) maybe - see Chad Pennington's contract and health
5) Green Bay Packers (4-12) no
6) Oakland Raiders (4-12) yes
7) San Francisco 49ers (4-12) no
8) Buffalo Bills (5-11) maybe - Young QB on the books who may develop
9) Detroit Lions (5-11) maybe - Young QB on the books who may develop
10) Arizona Cardinals (5-11) yes
11) St. Louis Rams (6-10) maybe
12) Cleveland Browns (6-10) no
13) Baltimore Ravens (6-10) yes
14) Philadelphia Eagles (6-10) no
15) Atlanta Falcons (8-8) no
16) Miami Dolphins (9-7) YES

Not quite as dire as your predicitions, but it seems unlikely that Mat Leinart, Vince Young or Jay Cutler would fall to 16.

sports24/7
01-13-2006, 12:23 AM
TEAM QB need
1) Houston Texans (2-14) They have said they are sticking with Carr
2) New Orleans Saints (3-13) yes!!!!!
3) Tennessee Titans (4-12) They say their bringing back McNair and have Volek they still could take on though
4) New York Jets (4-12) can't afford to spend more money on the QB position when they already have way too much invested in Pennington
5) Green Bay Packers (4-12) no
6) Oakland Raiders (4-12) Have Andrew Walter but could still take one
7) San Francisco 49ers (4-12) no
8) Buffalo Bills (5-11) no chance. Losman had some rocky games but he was essentially a rookie and it was expected
9) Detroit Lions (5-11) yes, but have alot of other needs
10) Arizona Cardinals (5-11) yes, but also have alot of other needs and could stick with McCown
11) St. Louis Rams (6-10) not a chance. They have a good QB and have alot of needs why would they waste a 1st on a QB.
12) Cleveland Browns (6-10) no
13) Baltimore Ravens (6-10) wont take a rookie. Billick has already said they will bring in a vet to compete with Boller, but are encouraged by his progress
14) Philadelphia Eagles (6-10) no
15) Atlanta Falcons (8-8) no
16) Miami Dolphins (9-7) YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The three threats for Cutler are Oakland, Arizona, and Detroit. They all have alot of other holes to fill and might not be willing to use a pick that high on a QB. Remember this is a very good draft class with some very talented players from top to bottom. If you have alot of holes to fill like these teams do would you let Mario Williams, or D'brickshaw Ferguson, Haloti Ngata, or some of the other studs at the top of the draft go if you don't really NEED a QB? We still may have to trade up for Cutler, but don't assume that just because a team could use a QB means they need one.

Motion
01-13-2006, 01:49 AM
looking at the teams ahead of us that need a qb

TEAM QB need
1) Houston Texans (2-14) no - maybe
2) New Orleans Saints (3-13) yes!!!!!
3) Tennessee Titans (4-12) yes!!!!! Need a star RB more than anything
4) New York Jets (4-12) yes!!!! Don't see them using their 1st on a QB with their holes
5) Green Bay Packers (4-12) no
6) Oakland Raiders (4-12) yes! Maybe, they still have Walter
7) San Francisco 49ers (4-12) no
8) Buffalo Bills (5-11) maybe yes No
9) Detroit Lions (5-11) yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Most likely, but could go with a vet
10) Arizona Cardinals (5-11) yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! same as above
11) St. Louis Rams (6-10) maybe yes Doubtful
12) Cleveland Browns (6-10) no
13) Baltimore Ravens (6-10) yes! More likely to stick with Boller or go with a vet to save Billick's @ss
14) Philadelphia Eagles (6-10) no
15) Atlanta Falcons (8-8) no
16) Miami Dolphins (9-7) YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anythings possible

TjHawk
01-13-2006, 05:30 PM
I see what you're trying to say, but hopefully Cutler falls to us.

BlueFin
01-13-2006, 06:43 PM
looking at the teams ahead of us that need a qb

TEAM QB need
1) Houston Texans (2-14) no - maybe No - Going with Carr
2) New Orleans Saints (3-13) yes!!!!! Drafting Leinart
3) Tennessee Titans (4-12) yes!!!!! No-Keeping McNair and Volek
4) New York Jets (4-12) yes!!!!No, too much invested in Pennington, later qb pick
5) Green Bay Packers (4-12) no
6) Oakland Raiders (4-12) yes! Draft Vince Young
7) San Francisco 49ers (4-12) no
8) Buffalo Bills (5-11) maybe yes - No, they still like Losman
9) Detroit Lions (5-11) yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!No, Millen can't, and the value is elsewhere
10) Arizona Cardinals (5-11) yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Maybe, but Green might be the guy to give Marcus Vick a shot with a later pick
11) St. Louis Rams (6-10) maybe yes-No-Bulger is their guy
12) Cleveland Browns (6-10) no
13) Baltimore Ravens (6-10) yes! No-Boller came on near the end, can't give up on him yet.
14) Philadelphia Eagles (6-10) no
15) Atlanta Falcons (8-8) no
16) Miami Dolphins (9-7) YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If Green passes, Cutler is a DOLPHIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There it is!

fins5423
01-13-2006, 09:15 PM
Why does everyone think Jay Cutler will be picked before Miami picks. Everyone is blowing this guy way up. what has he done since the season has ended? nothing at all. He still is the same spot as he was. Everyone is just making this guy bigger than what he really is. People think that for the Dolphins to get Jay Cutler will be a bit of a reach, but Jay Cutler in the top 10?????? please......he was on a sorry *** team and for a Quarterback, that doesnt look good.

He had a great year but not team needs a Quarterback that bad to take him in the top 10. He is a solid mid rounder. Cardinals need a RB before a QB. Cardinals will take DeAngolo Williams or Lendale White. I would take those guys over Jay Cutler if i needed a RB. Williams is just too good and Jay Cutler didnt lead the nation with yards or TD or anything like that, but DeAngolo Williams did.

RunningBackGuru
01-13-2006, 10:44 PM
That doesn't mean anything. We could easily pick Cutler in the 1st round and IMO, we will indeed have a shot at him when we draft.