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MiaFins1
01-15-2006, 10:37 AM
In todays NY Daily News Gary Myers talks about the Texans and who they are or should draft with the No. 1 pick. He lays out 3 scenarios...
1...Houston drafts Bush and keeps Carr
2...Houston drafts Young and trades Carr to Miami for Williams and Miami's No.1 pick,. A rumor he his hearing.
3...Houston drafts Young and exercise the option on Carr and Young learns for one season behind Carr..... not likely
Now i like the idear about getting Carr matter of fact he is the QB i want on the Fins next year,but that is way to much to give up. Williams straight up , yeah i would do that and i love Williams, but remember he is 1 puff away from 1 yr ban.They would have to come to some kind of mutual agreement about Ricky if he gets banned again.Stay turn we will be hearing ALOT of Ricky rumors over the coming months as we already are starting to hear some. ENJOY THE OFF SEASON FELLOW FIN FANS

eddie4fins
01-15-2006, 10:51 AM
In todays NY Daily News Gary Myers talks about the Texans and who they are or should draft with the No. 1 pick. He lays out 3 scenarios...
1...Houston drafts Bush and keeps Carr
2...Houston drafts Young and trades Carr to Miami for Williams and Miami's No.1 pick,. A rumor he his hearing.
3...Houston drafts Young and exercise the option on Carr and Young learns for one season behind Carr..... not likely
Now i like the idear about getting Carr matter of fact he is the QB i want on the Fins next year,but that is way to much to give up. Williams straight up , yeah i would do that and i love Williams, but remember he is 1 puff away from 1 yr ban.They would have to come to some kind of mutual agreement about Ricky if he gets banned again.Stay turn we will be hearing ALOT of Ricky rumors over the coming months as we already are starting to hear some. ENJOY THE OFF SEASON FELLOW FIN FANS


No way we will trade Williams AND a #1 pick, Saban is far too smart to do that.

steveincolorado
01-15-2006, 10:52 AM
Since David Carr is a proven young veteran, I'd give up a #1 for him. The chances of him being a bust here are a lot less than a rookie who has never seen a NFL field. Besides, a pick is ONLY one player.

phinfan77
01-15-2006, 10:55 AM
I am now a firm believer that most of these "rumors" are completely made up. Why would Saban trade a #1 pick and a pro bowl caliber back for a very rattled QB.


On the rumor thing. The greg cote blog had a rumor that was actually made up on finheaven in one of the many trade scenarios threads we have.

0000001
01-15-2006, 10:56 AM
i can see it happening. be realistic, the dolphins arn't going to keep around ricky. maybe not for a 1st round pick, but it could happen

fatkirstyalley
01-15-2006, 10:59 AM
Ricky plus a #1,maybe if Speilman and pornstache were still at the helm

Danny
01-15-2006, 11:02 AM
Ricky for Carr is posible....add a #1 and we'd have a riot in Miami.

Ozzy rules!!

PhinBeck
01-15-2006, 11:03 AM
No way we will trade Williams AND a #1 pick, Saban is far too smart to do that.


I agree, stupid move Ricky AND our #1. Even if we do get Carr, we have other needs we woulkd use that pick on.

csabe
01-15-2006, 11:06 AM
Some Qb's are much better with a change of scenery but he may be shot from the beating he has taken.

dlockz
01-15-2006, 11:19 AM
I would feel more comfortable with Ricky and a #2 pick. Ricky head up is not fair because of Ricky's recent vacation.

FinFan72
01-15-2006, 11:20 AM
there is no way we get Carr
The Texans will draft Buxh then who will they have to throw the ball ??
no one!
Now it would be a different story if bush didnt declare and stayed in college then i believe they would take Leinart and Carr would be expendable.

Drfletcherdc
01-15-2006, 11:22 AM
To me Carr has very little value. He has done nothing in his pro career to warrant a trade requiring a Pro-Bowl running back and a #1 pick. Maybe Carr and 2nd rounder for Ricky would be more of fair value. Personally, I hope Ricky stays a Dolphin. We sure needed him for the last two games this year. I don't remember Ricky ever missing a game because of injury.

Killer_Dolphins
01-15-2006, 11:26 AM
That's the worst trade I've heard about in my life. Do you really think Nick Saban is gonna fall for that crap. I don't think so.

rod557
01-15-2006, 11:28 AM
i dont like carr at all he has showed nothing to me in the pros. you people say is line makes him bad. i dont think so. all he shows is that he has no pocket presence and takes the sack instead of throwing the ball away. he does have experince and that helps but not in are system. gus as experince and he aint no stud. forget carr unless its straight up for ricky.

TPD1479
01-15-2006, 12:27 PM
Ricky plus a #1,maybe if Speilman and pornstache were still at the helm

:sidelol:

phinking
01-15-2006, 12:34 PM
Since David Carr is a proven young veteran, I'd give up a #1 for him. The chances of him being a bust here are a lot less than a rookie who has never seen a NFL field. Besides, a pick is ONLY one player.David Carr has played 4 full seasons in the NFL, and what has he done? NOTHING!! I am not trading an ALL-PRO Running Back + a draft pick
OF ANY KIND for him. If Houston wants Ricky Williams, fine. But not an additional draft pick. I know Williams is 1 strike away from being banned, but
at least he is a young player who has done something in this league.

steveincolorado
01-15-2006, 12:51 PM
David Carr has played 4 full seasons in the NFL, and what has he done? NOTHING!! I am not trading an ALL-PRO Running Back + a draft pick
OF ANY KIND for him. If Houston wants Ricky Williams, fine. But not an additional draft pick. I know Williams is 1 strike away from being banned, but
at least he is a young player who has done something in this league.

I didn't say anything about Ricky Williams.
I said David Carr is a good young QB. If we draft a QB, are you going to be happy that the Dolphins aren't going anywhere for 3-4 years? Thats how long it's going to take a QB to mature and learn the NFL game. Sure, sometimes teams get lucky, Big Ben in Pittsburgh, Miami with Marino, but you can't really count on that. I'am not saying Carr or Simms is the answer, but everybody wants a young QB + wants to win now. It usually doesn't happen that way. I'am saying that Carr or Simms is better than what we have now, but I never said anything about Ricky.

aerokev
01-15-2006, 12:55 PM
No way we will trade Williams AND a #1 pick, Saban is far too smart to do that.

i agree with that 100%. i would not mind getting carr, but no way i would give up williams and pick 16.

cnc66
01-15-2006, 12:57 PM
That's the worst trade I've heard about in my life. Do you really think Nick Saban is gonna fall for that crap. I don't think so.


just say no.


Killer, that is a GREAT image in your sig.... makes me kinda sniffle...sorta.

LarryFinFan
01-15-2006, 12:57 PM
In todays NY Daily News Gary Myers talks about the Texans and who they are or should draft with the No. 1 pick. He lays out 3 scenarios...
1...Houston drafts Bush and keeps Carr
2...Houston drafts Young and trades Carr to Miami for Williams and Miami's No.1 pick,. A rumor he his hearing.
3...Houston drafts Young and exercise the option on Carr and Young learns for one season behind Carr..... not likely
Now i like the idear about getting Carr matter of fact he is the QB i want on the Fins next year,but that is way to much to give up. Williams straight up , yeah i would do that and i love Williams, but remember he is 1 puff away from 1 yr ban.They would have to come to some kind of mutual agreement about Ricky if he gets banned again.Stay turn we will be hearing ALOT of Ricky rumors over the coming months as we already are starting to hear some. ENJOY THE OFF SEASON FELLOW FIN FANS


MiaFins1...don't be dissapointed when/if the Fins give up RW and a pick for Carr or any other decent QB...remember rule #1 of acquiring a QB...YOU ALWAYS, ALWAYS OVERPAY FOR A QUARTERBACK. That is a fact of NFL life. Don't fret, with Saban we can assume it'll be worth it in the long run. But be prepared to overpay for whomever we get as QB, be that in salary, trade compensation, or drafting a guy (for example, Jay Cutler is not rated near the top of the QBs and has some questions, but he's a sure-fire 1st rounder. That is because of demand (about 10 teams could be looking for a qb) and the position itself.

My advice is for you to just deal with it...

steveincolorado
01-15-2006, 01:09 PM
MiaFins1...don't be dissapointed when/if the Fins give up RW and a pick for Carr or any other decent QB...remember rule #1 of acquiring a QB...YOU ALWAYS, ALWAYS OVERPAY FOR A QUARTERBACK. That is a fact of NFL life. Don't fret, with Saban we can assume it'll be worth it in the long run. But be prepared to overpay for whomever we get as QB, be that in salary, trade compensation, or drafting a guy (for example, Jay Cutler is not rated near the top of the QBs and has some questions, but he's a sure-fire 1st rounder. That is because of demand (about 10 teams could be looking for a qb) and the position itself.

My advice is for you to just deal with it...

I agree with you to a point, the QB is the most important position in football. In order to get a good QB, who do have to pay or give up something. I'd rather give up a pick and get someone like Carr and know what he's got and know that he can play now, then use that pick on a guy that's going to sit for a year and not really do anything for 3 years.

pigskinguy
01-15-2006, 01:13 PM
If the Dolphins trade Ricky AND a first rounder for just David Carr, I will have some serious thinking to do.........

angryphin
01-15-2006, 01:40 PM
Might consider a our first rounder for Carr. Straight up. He could be more valuable then he seems. After all he has been the most sacked and pressured qb in the league since he broke in. Can anyone confirm this?

capecoralfinfan
01-15-2006, 01:41 PM
ricky williams isn't the future rb of this franchise...he isn't going to sign a long term (cheap) deal here and if we can get david carr for him i'm all for it. honestly, i trust any and everything saban does.

angryphin
01-15-2006, 01:46 PM
ricky williams isn't the future rb of this franchise...he isn't going to sign a long term (cheap) deal here and if we can get david carr for him i'm all for it. honestly, i trust any and everything saban does.


Good point.

THOMAS_54
01-15-2006, 03:12 PM
A 2nd is all I'll do for Carr. It's hard to trade for someone who hasn't done much.

killswitch
01-15-2006, 03:56 PM
On the rumor thing. The greg cote blog had a rumor that was actually made up on finheaven in one of the many trade scenarios threads we have.

what was it?

Jaj
01-15-2006, 03:58 PM
Oh comon has nobody else thought that with Ferguson probably having good workouts, the Texans will trade with the Jets to the 4th overall pick?

unifiedtheory
01-15-2006, 03:59 PM
Ricky and a 1st for David Carr?


:sidelol:

CD13
01-15-2006, 08:45 PM
Ricky plus a #1,maybe if Speilman and pornstache were still at the helm

They would trade Ricky, a first, and a third for Carr. They might throw in Crowder for good measure.

Boik14
01-15-2006, 11:47 PM
That's the worst trade I've heard about in my life. Do you really think Nick Saban is gonna fall for that crap. I don't think so. Myers, like most of the Ny Daily News is an idiot Jet homer. He cant help it if hes got to make up trades where the Phins get the worst of it in order to make himself feel good about football since his own team stinks. :dolphins: