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The Bills Suck
01-15-2006, 02:57 PM
I think it's really weak Tony Dungy continued on and is coaching today. The reason I think this is because it shows a complete lack of respect for life and death that NFL coaches seem to have.

Whether it's Ray Rhoades putting his health(family) in the back seat for football. Holmgren saying he would NOT visit, nor EVER speak Shaun Alexander in the hospital if he was injured on the play going for the touchdown record. That clearly illustrates the mind set of an NFL coach. They treat players like freakin animals, or property and not humans. Shaun wanted the record, for a game, Holmgren wants the win, for a game...if he's injured and cannot return that is paramount in terms of meaning. I know there's better and more examples of this.

Back to Dungy I sorta hope he does win the Super Bow this year. At least then after he accomplishes what all coaches believe is the most important thing in life he may see the light. When he's left with a ring and see's his hard work towards football and neglect he showed his son in him living out of state and alone at age 18 when he is already troubled and barely had any parental guidance due to Tony's devotion to football he'll realize what a selfish shallow quest he's been on.

nopony
01-15-2006, 03:26 PM
I think it's really weak Tony Dungy continued on and is coaching today. The reason I think this is because it shows a complete lack of respect for life and death that NFL coaches seem to have.



You know this is not the first time I've heard this... uh, self-righteousness, for lack of a better description. And I feel like I have to say something.

I don't mean to abuse the poster, but making assumptions about other people's personal lives that you can't possibly know and then being judgemental of them... that's just tremendously unfair.

Ask any father what the worst thing you could say about them was... the lowest, most ugly spit-in-the-face thing you could say about them... and I bet pretty close to the top would things like "clearly he didn't care about his son and now he's dead".

It's a despicable thing to say about somebody. Particularly when you have no idea if it's true. And when every other source that is close to either father or son says that the OPPOSITE of what you say is true...


I think it's really weak Tony Dungy continued on and is coaching today. The reason I think this is because it shows a complete lack of respect for life and death that NFL coaches seem to have.


This is my other thing. I don't know how old you are or if you have ever had anyone you cared a lot about die... if you have, one of the first lessons you should have learned is that people grieve in their own way and their own time.

In all liklihood, Tony Dungy hurts more right now then you ever wil in your life. Few have to face something like that. And he's dealing with it his way right now. Don't judege that.


I know there's better and more examples of this.

You know you can't make a judgement on all of them based on a few tiny stories about a few of them, right?

I thinkn anyone whoever played much football will tell you that coaches that care very much about each of their players are not particularly rare.



Back to Dungy I sorta hope he does win the Super Bow this year. At least then after he accomplishes what all coaches believe is the most important thing in life he may see the light.


:shakeno:



When he's left with a ring and see's his hard work towards football and neglect he showed his son in him living out of state and alone at age 18 when he is already troubled and barely had any parental guidance due to Tony's devotion to football he'll realize what a selfish shallow quest he's been on.


You have NO idea about Dungy and his son or his life... and to say things like that is really kind of despicable... even on a message board.

Metal Panda
01-15-2006, 03:28 PM
I think it's really weak Tony Dungy continued on and is coaching today. The reason I think this is because it shows a complete lack of respect for life and death that NFL coaches seem to have.

Whether it's Ray Rhoades putting his health(family) in the back seat for football. Holmgren saying he would NOT visit, nor EVER speak Shaun Alexander in the hospital if he was injured on the play going for the touchdown record. That clearly illustrates the mind set of an NFL coach. They treat players like freakin animals, or property and not humans. Shaun wanted the record, for a game, Holmgren wants the win, for a game...if he's injured and cannot return that is paramount in terms of meaning. I know there's better and more examples of this.

Back to Dungy I sorta hope he does win the Super Bow this year. At least then after he accomplishes what all coaches believe is the most important thing in life he may see the light. When he's left with a ring and see's his hard work towards football and neglect he showed his son in him living out of state and alone at age 18 when he is already troubled and barely had any parental guidance due to Tony's devotion to football he'll realize what a selfish shallow quest he's been on.

This is the most ridiculous pile of horse feces I've ever read, and it's self-important, shallow, and assinine. This article was probably written more to serve yourself and put forth an image of you as a "wholesome human being" more than it was to criticize Dungy.

Perhaps it's because YOU feel deep down you may have reacted differently if you had been in his shoes, but how dare you insinuate because somebody does not grieve the same way as you that they're wrong and that they're shallow human beings. There is no "correct" way to grieve. I've played in sporting events after family members died before--granted nothing like what happened to Dungy, but are you going to tell me I'm shallow too now, even though it hurt me severely when it happened?

You are not in the head of Dungy nor did you experience what he did or what he went through. The fact of the matter is, despite tragedy, life goes on, and I don't see exactly how it's "disrespectful" to his son that he is still coaching. Who knows? He might hang it up after this year. The jury is still out on that. But you are a presumptuous nimrod for insinuating because Dungy is still coaching, he is "shallow".

Psychologically speaking, it is unhealthy to surround yourself with misery following a tragedy, and usually people have to find a vice to help themselves cope. Music was always mine. Dungy's is football. Does this mean he has turned his back on his family? No. And I have a feeling he may not be coaching much more after this year...if at all.

If there is justice in this world, everybody will ignore this piece of pseudo-intellectual tripe you have spewed out. It is insulting, and I would say the same even if this was not Tony Dungy you were criticizing, even if it was a local mailman.

Alex44
01-15-2006, 03:29 PM
Truthfully this thread doesnt deserve a response

What do you want Dungy to do? Sit in his room and cry and reminice 24/7?

The funeral is over and Dungy is probally in more pain than you can imagine

Maybe those 3 hours of football on sunday help him heal, maybe all those hours of practice and gameplanning help him feel better

This will be the hardest offseason of his life....and im not talking football wise

BlitPhinFan
01-15-2006, 03:33 PM
nopony and RobFins2005 I :salute: you. I couldn't agree more.

EDIT: Add Alex22 to the list as well.

nopony
01-15-2006, 03:49 PM
I know this is just a message board... but I'm abnormally happy that I wasn't alone in my reaction to this. I've heard this too much about Dungy and it really pushes my buttons.

Every time someone dies, there are others that feel it is their right to criticize how someone deals with their grief.

And it's even worse by a mile to insinuate that Dungy's love of football had anything to do with this tragedy.

cnc66
01-15-2006, 03:54 PM
I started to post here twice and thought better of it. Thanks for speaking for me nopony

UncleCosmic
01-15-2006, 03:58 PM
nopony, RobFins, and Alex-you said it all. I was disgusted reading that post and all the self-righteousness therein. I could not have said it better.

The Bills Suck
01-15-2006, 04:17 PM
I see Tony's neglect leading to his son taking his life. Did u see the kid's myspace.com page? I know he has no control in the matter but NFL coaches are expected to abandon their families with the amount of time they spend on it. You can call me whatever you want but I see that as a problem. If you're going to raise a family you need to balance out your time properly.

It seems pretty COLD to me. The amount of time Tony's spent coaching how is he raising the kid properly? The kid picks now to do this? When Tony's having the most success in his life? I think the kid was jealous of the affection and attention football got so he wanted to hurt his dad. The kid has his own apartment at age 18 and had minimal parental guidance. Do you just hate troubled kids or something? If they can't make it, screw em, leave em alone, nfl's more important?

The very thing that may have contributed to his son's confusion over life and hopelessness, Tony see's it as OK to use it to motivate his team and for the NFL to use it for more attention.

cnc66
01-15-2006, 04:30 PM
I see Tony's neglect leading to his son taking his life. Did u see the kid's myspace.com page? I know he has no control in the matter but NFL coaches are expected to abandon their families with the amount of time they spend on it. You can call me whatever you want but I see that as a problem. If you're going to raise a family you need to balance out your time properly.

It seems pretty COLD to me. The amount of time Tony's spent coaching how is he raising the kid properly? The kid picks now to do this? When Tony's having the most success in his life? I think the kid was jealous of the affection and attention football got so he wanted to hurt his dad. The kid has his own apartment at age 18 and had minimal parental guidance. Do you just hate troubled kids or something? If they can't make it, screw em, leave em alone, nfl's more important?

The very thing that may have contributed to his son's confusion over life and hopelessness, Tony see's it as OK to use it to motivate his team and for the NFL to use it for more attention.

I hope that someday you don't have to experience the powerlessness of watching someone you love fall into the abyss of depression suicide. Being somewhat experianced in this arena I find your judgemental comments cold, and very mean spirited. You only created this thread to further your own miserable hatefilled attitude and I think you should be ashamed for so judging another human being without having actually walked in his shoes.

nopony
01-15-2006, 04:31 PM
I see Tony's neglect leading to his son taking his life.

All I see is a smug, self-righteous internet troll making judgements he can't possibly make.

Despicable. Really.


It seems pretty COLD to me. The amount of time Tony's spent coaching how is he raising the kid properly? The kid picks now to do this? When Tony's having the most success in his life? I think the kid was jealous of the affection and attention football got so he wanted to hurt his dad.

Give me a friggin' break, Doctor Phil. You have no idea if any of that garbage is true and a lot of evidence that says it wasn't.


The kid has his own apartment at age 18 and had minimal parental guidance. Do you just hate troubled kids or something? If they can't make it, screw em, leave em alone, nfl's more important?

I had my own apartment at 18. The fact that you may still live in your mom's basement doesn't detract from the fact that many if not most well-adjusted kids live away from home by the age of 18.

And Dungy did NOT ignore his kid. Jesus.

Do you even hear yourself? Do you realize how awful the things you are saying are? Do you really think that you, an internet troll, know enough about their personal lives to say that anything Dungy did led to this tragedy?

Suicide is a tragedy caused by ONE individual, but with many, many victims.


The very thing that may have contributed to his son's confusion over life and hopelessness, Tony see's it as OK to use it to motivate his team and for the NFL to use it for more attention.


Garbage.

Just garbage. You have a lot of growing up to do.

The Bills Suck
01-15-2006, 04:32 PM
I know this is just a message board... but I'm abnormally happy that I wasn't alone in my reaction to this. I've heard this too much about Dungy and it really pushes my buttons.

Every time someone dies, there are others that feel it is their right to criticize how someone deals with their grief.

And it's even worse by a mile to insinuate that Dungy's love of football had anything to do with this tragedy.

I'm not insinuating a thing. How's he raising a kid and spending all that time coaching? If you have an 18y.o living on their own and they do that, I don't think it's that far of a stretch to call you a failure as a parent. Especially in this circumstance as there is no reason for it. Like Tony didn't KNOW his son...Like Tony didn't know his son needed HELP? Hell, he published it on the net to myspace he needed help, no one was listening though.

nopony
01-15-2006, 04:37 PM
Yeah.... no parents should have jobs. You're right.

Do you realize how normal it is to be troubled at 18? Do you realize fow few of them commit suicide? Do you realize that you have to be available to your kids (which all indications are that Dungy WAS) but you CAN'T control them... you can't know.

Clearly you are not a parent, clearly you have not lost someone close to you and cleary you haven't had any experience with serious depression.

You should really just stop talking about it until you learn more about it.

The Bills Suck
01-15-2006, 04:40 PM
nopony, I'm not sure I'm 100% right so let me say that. I'm not as stubborn as to suggest that either of us KNOWS for sure whos right. I've never heard anyone suggest these things. I realize it's a touchy subject and you can't really fit my life into any niche for you just because you disagree so strongly. So if you can't discuss this without name calling, I'm not interested.

nopony
01-15-2006, 04:45 PM
You realize that you are flat-out saying that Dungy is responsible for the suicide of his SON and you think me calling you a troll is offensive? Do you see the irony in that?

I started off my very first post by saying I didn't want to attack you. I just wanted you to think about how terrible and unfounded what you were saying was.

When you came back here and said even worse... after everything everyone else had pointed out... well, I figured you NOT for a guy with an honest, though unjustified, opinion, but for someone who just likes to say awful things on the internet because he can.

nopony
01-15-2006, 04:50 PM
At any rate, all I want is for you to take a minute and think about how horrible the things you are saying are. Honestly it would be less awful to call him a child molester.

I completely understand that if you don't have personal experience with things like this how different things look from outside and how impossible it is to pass judgement.

That's all.. and I honestly hope you never get experience with things like this. Just that you be slower to judge those that have to go through it.

That's all.

The Bills Suck
01-15-2006, 05:06 PM
I'll just put out there what we know is more true than not:

-Coach Dungy spends alot of his team on football. We can deduce that. It's obvious.

-NFL coaches are known to 'abandon' their families. The Patriots are an example of this. Coach Charlie Weiss talking about the incredible amount of time their staff puts in work. That 'trend'.

-You can't be in two places at once, it's probably next to impossible to raise a kid who is already prone to being troubled and have him turn out well adjusted, and at the same time coach a highly successful nfl team.

-Suicide is used as a device to hurt the people u are closest to in life

-Tony was under alot of pressure this year. to finally getting over the patriots. the perfect season etc. seems like an easy time for someone to get lost in the shuffle insted of forcing someone into counselling as opposed to funding their own apartment.(the easier thing to do)

-his myspace.com page.

I'm fine with admitting I'm wrong, I just think no one will ever know for sure.

nopony, it's ok to disagree and I'm not trying to say mean things because it's the internet.

cnc66
01-15-2006, 05:10 PM
I'll just put out there what we know is more true than not:

-Coach Dungy spends alot of his team on football. We can deduce that. It's obvious.

-NFL coaches are known to 'abandon' their families. The Patriots are an example of this. Coach Charlie Weiss talking about the incredible amount of time their staff puts in work. That 'trend'.

-You can't be in two places at once, it's probably next to impossible to raise a kid who is already prone to being troubled and have him turn out well adjusted, and at the same time coach a highly successful nfl team.

-Suicide is used as a device to hurt the people u are closest to in life

-Tony was under alot of pressure this year. to finally getting over the patriots. the perfect season etc. seems like an easy time for someone to get lost in the shuffle insted of forcing someone into counselling as opposed to funding their own apartment.(the easier thing to do)

-his myspace.com page.

I'm fine with admitting I'm wrong, I just think no one will ever know for sure.

nopony, it's ok to disagree and I'm not trying to say mean things because it's the internet.

you already have...terribly hateful things. It is despicable that you would attack this man you do not even know by blaming him for the death of his eighteen years old son. despicable.

PressCoverage
01-15-2006, 05:27 PM
continuing to work is what many people turn to as a way to deal with their grief... in many walks of life, not just pro sports coaching... his perrogative, no doubt...

The Bills Suck
01-15-2006, 05:28 PM
you already have...terribly hateful things. It is despicable that you would attack this man you do not even know by blaming him for the death of his eighteen years old son. despicable.

Fine then I'm a terrible, hateful, self righteouss monster. I can live with that.

I'm blaming him for not having anyone help his son more specifically. I know he's not superman where he can reverse time and prevent it. I just don't think it's that much of a stretch. I apoligize to people who've read this who experience these issues and deal with them in different ways. Truly, no harm meant, do your best.

FinsNCanes
01-15-2006, 05:29 PM
[QUOTE=The Bills Suck]I think it's really weak Tony Dungy continued on and is coaching today. The reason I think this is because it shows a complete lack of respect for life and death that NFL coaches seem to have.

Whether it's Ray Rhoades putting his health(family) in the back seat for football. Holmgren saying he would NOT visit, nor EVER speak Shaun Alexander in the hospital if he was injured on the play going for the touchdown record. That clearly illustrates the mind set of an NFL coach. They treat players like freakin animals, or property and not humans. Shaun wanted the record, for a game, Holmgren wants the win, for a game...if he's injured and cannot return that is paramount in terms of meaning. I know there's better and more examples of this.
QUOTE]

You can't be serious..

One..Dungy has a job to do. Two..it was a joke on Holmgrens part.

Metal Panda
01-15-2006, 05:56 PM
I see Tony's neglect leading to his son taking his life. Did u see the kid's myspace.com page? I know he has no control in the matter but NFL coaches are expected to abandon their families with the amount of time they spend on it. You can call me whatever you want but I see that as a problem. If you're going to raise a family you need to balance out your time properly.



Arguably coaches' distance does have an effect on their children, and family, but arguably as well, the spouses of these coaches know and accept this when they agree to the marriage, so they are complicit in it.

Secondly, while it may have been a contributing factor, keep in mind Tony had his son with him at many Tampa Bay Bucs games when he was coach there. As someone who's studied and degreed in psychology, that reasoning alone is too weak to attribute solely as a reason for suicide. There had to be other underlying issues for James Dungy as well.




It seems pretty COLD to me. The amount of time Tony's spent coaching how is he raising the kid properly? The kid picks now to do this? When Tony's having the most success in his life? I think the kid was jealous of the affection and attention football got so he wanted to hurt his dad. The kid has his own apartment at age 18 and had minimal parental guidance. Do you just hate troubled kids or something? If they can't make it, screw em, leave em alone, nfl's more important?

The very thing that may have contributed to his son's confusion over life and hopelessness, Tony see's it as OK to use it to motivate his team and for the NFL to use it for more attention.

:rolleyes: I think I'm done conversing with you. As if Tony, and not the ratings hungry media, had anything to do with the media frenzy on this, especially considering there were very few, if any, sound bites from Tony around the time this happened.

And if coaching causes parental distance which leads kids to suicide, how come more sons of coaches haven't killed themselves?

You are truly delusional if you believe Tony being away from his family a good portion of the season was the sole reason James killed himself. There had to have been underlying issues, maybe undiagnosed mental illness, to cause this. We know so little about the Dungy's home life I don't see that any of us are fit to comment. Namely you.

Metal Panda
01-15-2006, 05:58 PM
I'm not insinuating a thing. How's he raising a kid and spending all that time coaching? If you have an 18y.o living on their own and they do that, I don't think it's that far of a stretch to call you a failure as a parent. Especially in this circumstance as there is no reason for it. Like Tony didn't KNOW his son...Like Tony didn't know his son needed HELP? Hell, he published it on the net to myspace he needed help, no one was listening though.

Insinuating that somebody living on their own at 18 killing themselves automatically makes one a failure as a parent is the most moronic thing I've ever heard. Parents have far less control than is perceived by the common person over their children's activities. They do have an influence over it, a large influence, but parents, even from childhood, are only roughly half of a child's environment, and the other half of the child's environment, which includes his peers at school, and his friends, and his enemies, arguably have just as much to do with it.

I was "living on my own" at age 18. It wasn't that bad. If James wanted to kill himself, something must have REALLY been eating at him deeply. And I don't accept, without further evidence, that it was merely that Tony was away coaching football.

Metal Panda
01-15-2006, 05:59 PM
nopony, I'm not sure I'm 100% right so let me say that. I'm not as stubborn as to suggest that either of us KNOWS for sure whos right.

That's ridiculous back pedaling. Most everybody else in this thread is suggesting we truly do not know what the causes were.

You were really the only one who seemed to have any degree of certainty.

Metal Panda
01-15-2006, 06:03 PM
I'll just put out there what we know is more true than not:

-Coach Dungy spends alot of his team on football. We can deduce that. It's obvious.

-NFL coaches are known to 'abandon' their families. The Patriots are an example of this. Coach Charlie Weiss talking about the incredible amount of time their staff puts in work. That 'trend'.

-You can't be in two places at once, it's probably next to impossible to raise a kid who is already prone to being troubled and have him turn out well adjusted, and at the same time coach a highly successful nfl team.




You know, by the time you're in high school, you're already seeing less and less of your parents anyway. During the week, in my senior year, I saw my parents less and less as the year wore on because of my increasing activities. Now I will admit that even saying this, that I probably saw them a lot more than Dungy saw his father, but I think you're using shortcut theories to this suicide.



-Suicide is used as a device to hurt the people u are closest to in life




That's one way of looking at it, but the claims that suicide is somebody sending a "message" is shortsighted because obviously to "send" this message, a person has to have such little regard for his own life and feel such intense pain that he does not mind not being able to live anymore. This goes beyond mere pettiness against loved ones.

Often times many suicide patients delay their suicides because of loved ones that they try to make their live work for.



-Tony was under alot of pressure this year. to finally getting over the patriots. the perfect season etc. seems like an easy time for someone to get lost in the shuffle insted of forcing someone into counselling as opposed to funding their own apartment.(the easier thing to do)



You sure didn't come off that way in your first post.

The Bills Suck
01-15-2006, 06:10 PM
Aguably? So what say does his kid(with possible dormant mental problems)have being born to a father who won't be around enough?

I'm saying someone who's going to do something so drastic living alone at that age is irresponsible on Tony's part. He funded his apartment. He should have been in counselling or at least living with responsible people. I think Tony as being the man's father would be aware of this no matter how little time he spends with him.

Bringing you or me into this is useless..we don't share the same mental condition as Dungy's son so to suggest that because I lived at my own bachelor pad at age 18 or u lived at an off campus apt alone means nothing.

I agree with you that it's probably not the SOLE factor that lead to it...I'm trying to say he didn't get him help in time. When time was so crucial to Tony for football, and he still uses his time for football.

Metal Panda
01-15-2006, 06:15 PM
Aguably? So what say does his kid(with possible dormant mental problems)have being born to a father who won't be around enough?

I'm saying someone who's going to do something so drastic living alone at that age is irresponsible on Tony's part. He funded his apartment. He should have been in counselling or at least living with responsible people. I think Tony as being the man's father would be aware of this no matter how little time he spends with him.



I have no idea where you live, but I'm sure you must be aware that 18 year olds living on their own (even without roommates) is not that much of a rarity in this day and age? You're putting way too much significance on it.

Anyway, my point is this--you have changed your tune throughout the thread. You first implied that Dungy was wrong to continue coaching and implied basically he was the reason his son killed himself, now you are backing off.

At least have a spine if you're going to take an extreme argument.

The Bills Suck
01-15-2006, 06:42 PM
I don't know if I'm right or wrong, that's why I wanted to see what others thought.

I lol at you wanting me to have a spine. What do u expect, NO ONE agrees with me. Should I continue to be as confident in my thoughts when it seems I may be so incorrect? I have no problem saying I could easily be 100% wrong in this and I'm sorry if it was too offensive.

In response to the 18 y.o thing. It's a transition a normal kid should be able to survive. I view it as why isn't he living with the family? We know now he wasn't ready for that responsibilty, I think possibly if Tony had been more involved he would have seen this and got him help.

Metal Panda
01-15-2006, 06:44 PM
It's not something that can always be detected.

There was a kid in my high school who just offed himself one day and stunned the entire school.

The Bills Suck
01-15-2006, 06:48 PM
I know and if that was the case here I would feel like a total ____. So now I get why I catch all that I caught. It is warrented and I thank you all.

I would also just like to point out the a frequent absent father can wreak havoc on a young man's mind. I read Quincy Jones' biography and his son was pretty torn up over that. Who knows though, and not worth discussing. my bad.

Metal Panda
01-15-2006, 06:51 PM
It's not that it's not worth discussing, it's how you initially presented your opinion. That's what I took objection to--how you arrived at the conclusion.

cnc66
01-15-2006, 07:04 PM
I don't know if I'm right or wrong, that's why I wanted to see what others thought.

I lol at you wanting me to have a spine. What do u expect, NO ONE agrees with me. Should I continue to be as confident in my thoughts when it seems I may be so incorrect? I have no problem saying I could easily be 100% wrong in this and I'm sorry if it was too offensive.

In response to the 18 y.o thing. It's a transition a normal kid should be able to survive. I view it as why isn't he living with the family? We know now he wasn't ready for that responsibilty, I think possibly if Tony had been more involved he would have seen this and got him help.


I'm having trouble believing that, your hurtful accusations do not support this sentence.

perhaps next time if your approach was in the form of a question rather than an accusation of the most horrible kind, your reception won't be as hostile. I'm telling you from first hand experiance, this shiit hurts.

Of course I do not know Tony but by all accounts he was a caring ,loving, attentive father. He is a Christian man who lives his faith every day. Giving and careing for others as is his Christian obligation. I have seen interviews with those he has helped rise up from terrible circumstance by giving his time, faith and love to them. For you to chose to attack THIS man and his commitment to his family and faith is despicable in the least. You have in two minutes sullied a mans entire reputation, thrown out without examination an entire lifetime of ACTION that disputes your hateful point....all for some excitement on the boards, shame on you.

DPlus47
01-15-2006, 07:19 PM
everybody who faces tragedy has to grieve in his/her own way, and it's not anybody else's place to criticize them for it, no matter what you may think is at stake.

The Bills Suck
01-15-2006, 07:34 PM
I'm having trouble believing that, your hurtful accusations do not support this sentence.

perhaps next time if your approach was in the form of a question rather than an accusation of the most horrible kind, your reception won't be as hostile. I'm telling you from first hand experiance, this shiit hurts.

Of course I do not know Tony but by all accounts he was a caring ,loving, attentive father. He is a Christian man who lives his faith every day. Giving and careing for others as is his Christian obligation. I have seen interviews with those he has helped rise up from terrible circumstance by giving his time, faith and love to them. For you to chose to attack THIS man and his commitment to his family and faith is despicable in the least. You have in two minutes sullied a mans entire reputation, thrown out without examination an entire lifetime of ACTION that disputes your hateful point....all for some excitement on the boards, shame on you.

No I didn't post this for excitement on a message board. Tony doesn't have to coach. He can resign. I'm confused as to responsibility and guilt within that circumstance. It's possibly short of myself to think that way though so again I'm sorry to you cnc66 and others.

PressCoverage
01-15-2006, 07:46 PM
if you lost a loved one, would you quit your job?

DPlus47
01-15-2006, 07:52 PM
if you lost a loved one, would you quit your job?

good one. the problem with tragedies in families is this: you CAN quit your job and stop your life, but you know what, your loved one is STILL dead and you still have to work. i'm not trying to be disrespectful here. unfortunately, i am speaking from experience.