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BALLS DEEP
01-16-2006, 11:37 AM
I know a lot of people will think I'm nuts. I'm cool with that. There is no way Vanderjagt, a multiple time pro bowl kicker, and thought to be by many, one of the best kickers ever misses a kick in that way. Vanderjagt just is too good to shank it 20 - 30 feet to the right like that. He's just too good. He must owe someone some money or something.

To me, the only excuse I would accept is that he thought they were going to call time out to ice him. Otherwise, he was paid to dump the game. He's just too good to miss like that in that situation.

Bash away!

pigskinguy
01-16-2006, 11:40 AM
I know a lot of people will think I'm nuts. I'm cool with that. There is no way Vanderjagt, a multiple time pro bowl kicker, and thought to be by many, one of the best kickers ever misses a kick in that way. Vanderjagt just is too good to shank it 20 - 30 feet to the right like that. He's just too good. He must owe someone some money or something.

To me, the only excuse I would accept is that he thought they were going to call time out to ice him. Otherwise, he was paid to dump the game. He's just too good to miss like that in that situation.

Bash away!

:shakeno:

Adam First
01-16-2006, 12:31 PM
Ever heard of this term? (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Choke)

Basileus777
01-16-2006, 12:43 PM
Vanderjagt is also famous for being unclutch. He is good at making kicks in the dome when they don't matter.

Majpain
01-16-2006, 12:52 PM
I just liked how they brought up the how he has never missed a field goal at home.THEN BAM!

dominizzo
01-16-2006, 01:57 PM
hehehe u never knoww

Dors156
01-16-2006, 02:21 PM
Ever heard of this term? (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Choke)

ahahahhahaha:lol:

Predaphin
01-16-2006, 03:24 PM
actually, i thought they snapped the ball way too soon....it almost seems like they ran up to the line quickly and snapped the ball very fast without even getting set....and this was after they called a timeout...

Maynard the Hammer
01-16-2006, 07:38 PM
you rarely see that good of a kicker miss an attempt by that much

B-LO, BABY
01-16-2006, 08:23 PM
Their is one reason why this can't be true. Indy was favored by 8.5 points. Even if Vandy hits the kick and the game goes to OT, there is no way Indy could cover. If you bet on Pittsburgh, that kick did not matter one bit.

Tone_E
01-16-2006, 08:42 PM
Their is one reason why this can't be true. Indy was favored by 8.5 points. Even if Vandy hits the kick and the game goes to OT, there is no way Indy could cover. If you bet on Pittsburgh, that kick did not matter one bit.

UNLESS....of course, they took them on the Money Line, which always pays much more than the spread!

tylerdolphin
01-16-2006, 08:50 PM
Vanderjagt sure didnt look thrilled when he missed.

CanadaPhinsFan
01-16-2006, 09:37 PM
I know a lot of people will think I'm nuts. I'm cool with that. There is no way Vanderjagt, a multiple time pro bowl kicker, and thought to be by many, one of the best kickers ever misses a kick in that way. Vanderjagt just is too good to shank it 20 - 30 feet to the right like that. He's just too good. He must owe someone some money or something.

To me, the only excuse I would accept is that he thought they were going to call time out to ice him. Otherwise, he was paid to dump the game. He's just too good to miss like that in that situation.

Bash away!

I don't think he could have faked that reaction if he missed the kick on purpose. He was legitimately upset.

CrunchTime
01-16-2006, 10:05 PM
The timeout called to Ice him obviously upset him as he made derogatory signals
to the opposing team bench before the kick.It amounted to smack.

Not too smart on his part as I am sure teams will keep Icing him frequently now because they know they can get to him.

PHINATIC13
01-16-2006, 10:14 PM
Are you nuts?:tongue: Seriously though I highly doubt that he missed the kick on purpose for whatever reason. There is a thing called PRESSURE and some professionals don't handle it as well as others.He just choked end of story. Btw wasn't it a 46 yarder he attempted ? that's no chip shot.JMHO

Metal Panda
01-16-2006, 11:10 PM
I know a lot of people will think I'm nuts. I'm cool with that. There is no way Vanderjagt, a multiple time pro bowl kicker, and thought to be by many, one of the best kickers ever misses a kick in that way. Vanderjagt just is too good to shank it 20 - 30 feet to the right like that. He's just too good. He must owe someone some money or something.

To me, the only excuse I would accept is that he thought they were going to call time out to ice him. Otherwise, he was paid to dump the game. He's just too good to miss like that in that situation.

Bash away!

I heard a rumor that Kordell Stewart was really a great quarterback and just made a lot of money point shaving his entire career.

Sound silly? So did your post.

cnc66
01-16-2006, 11:15 PM
I heard a rumor that Kordell Stewart was really a great quarterback and just made a lot of money point shaving his entire career.

Sound silly? So did your post.

link???

Metal Panda
01-16-2006, 11:33 PM
I was obviously kidding.

BALLS DEEP
01-17-2006, 08:58 AM
Are you nuts?:tongue: Seriously though I highly doubt that he missed the kick on purpose for whatever reason. There is a thing called PRESSURE and some professionals don't handle it as well as others.He just choked end of story. Btw wasn't it a 46 yarder he attempted ? that's no chip shot.JMHO

46 yarder in a dome to a multiple pro-bowl kicker? Shoulda been cake or just short. Not half a zip code to the right.

BALLS DEEP
01-17-2006, 09:02 AM
I heard a rumor that Kordell Stewart was really a great quarterback and just made a lot of money point shaving his entire career.

Sound silly? So did your post.


So ignore it then. I think theres a lot more going on in the NFL than we think. A lot of these guys are short on money. A botched kick here, a half hearted paas defense there, a missed tackle here. Somehow the 52 players on these 32 teams all have Captain America type integrity? Yeah ok.

Rocky Raccoon
01-17-2006, 11:04 AM
link???

:sidelol:

Brad528
01-17-2006, 01:14 PM
I would have believed it if you said the Refs must have had money on the game but not the Kicker. I mean come on they shouldnt have even been in that position if the refs didnt try to hand them the game with bad calls plus non calls. That may have been the worst officiated game ever. All though it did win me lots of money

Stoy10
01-17-2006, 01:54 PM
I know a lot of people will think I'm nuts. I'm cool with that. There is no way Vanderjagt, a multiple time pro bowl kicker, and thought to be by many, one of the best kickers ever misses a kick in that way. Vanderjagt just is too good to shank it 20 - 30 feet to the right like that. He's just too good. He must owe someone some money or something.

To me, the only excuse I would accept is that he thought they were going to call time out to ice him. Otherwise, he was paid to dump the game. He's just too good to miss like that in that situation.

Bash away!

:sidelol: ......Vanderjerk is the most overrated kicker of all time!!! Dome kickers are worthless!!

Samphin
01-17-2006, 02:13 PM
I think someone has been watching their playmakers dvd again...

I doubt, very seriously, that Vanderjagt blew the game on purpose. Kickers have missed like that before you know. Heck, John Kasay doinked an extra point a few hours later. Was he trying to blow the game?

Besides, the whole theory doesn't make sense. The kicker is a reliant position. Meaning, it relis on situation to present itself, in order to have an impact. Had they not been in field goal range, or Peyton drives down the field for a TD, how does Vanderjagt prevent it? It would make more sense if you said a QB, or RB or someone who was involved in the actual offense/defense side of things was trying to control things. A kicker just doesn't make a lick of sense. Remember, he made his other field goal. If he was shaving points, he probably would have used that opportunity to do so, not knowing if he would have another.

Roman529
01-17-2006, 02:57 PM
Vanderjacht owed money to Art Schlicter. :lol:

Seriously, his face turned quite pale after he missed the kick and you could tell he was feeling like the Bill's kicker who choked in the Superbowl.....pressure is hard to deal with.

Mile High Fin
01-17-2006, 03:43 PM
I think someone has been watching their playmakers dvd again...

I doubt, very seriously, that Vanderjagt blew the game on purpose. Kickers have missed like that before you know. Heck, John Kasay doinked an extra point a few hours later. Was he trying to blow the game?

Besides, the whole theory doesn't make sense. The kicker is a reliant position. Meaning, it relis on situation to present itself, in order to have an impact. Had they not been in field goal range, or Peyton drives down the field for a TD, how does Vanderjagt prevent it? It would make more sense if you said a QB, or RB or someone who was involved in the actual offense/defense side of things was trying to control things. A kicker just doesn't make a lick of sense. Remember, he made his other field goal. If he was shaving points, he probably would have used that opportunity to do so, not knowing if he would have another.


The voice of reason...

Metal Panda
01-17-2006, 10:44 PM
So ignore it then. I think theres a lot more going on in the NFL than we think. A lot of these guys are short on money. A botched kick here, a half hearted paas defense there, a missed tackle here. Somehow the 52 players on these 32 teams all have Captain America type integrity? Yeah ok.

It's an extremely slippery slope to take the idea that there are some players that could be potentially dishonest to the level of accusing one of purposefully "tanking" a play.

My problem with the silly conspiracy theories is this--they're based on ridiculous foundations, and extreme stretches of the imagination, and seem to ignore other more obvious (and logical) explanations for things.

Until I hear a convincing argument about somebody "tanking" a game, I'll yawn.

Besides, you obviously wanted people who disagreed with you to post in this thread, as you put the flamewar bait out there and begged for responses.

John Biello
01-17-2006, 11:00 PM
this isnt the first time, remember in the playoffs against us he missed in ot, setting up lamar smiths heroic defender draggint td run..