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SMadison29
01-17-2006, 12:48 AM
Shaq & Kobe hugged :eek:

Shaq dunked on 17 year old Andrew Bynum. Bynum came right back on the next possession, faked Shaq out & dunked right around him. Shaq didn't like it & threw a big bow, double T.

Lakers are winning by 14 :D

SMadison29
01-17-2006, 12:49 AM
Lakers are winning by 14

Make it 15, Kobe with another 3pt buzzer beater, this one over Dwayne Wade.

PHINATIC13
01-17-2006, 12:50 AM
Shaq & Kobe hugged :eek:

Shaq dunked on 17 year old Andrew Bynum. Bynum came right back on the next possession, faked Shaq out & dunked right around him. Shaq didn't like it & threw a big bow, double T.

Lakers are winning by 14 :D


Shhhhhhh.... it's only halftime.

TerryTate
01-17-2006, 12:54 AM
Shaq & Kobe hugged :eek:

Shaq dunked on 17 year old Andrew Bynum. Bynum came right back on the next possession, faked Shaq out & dunked right around him. Shaq didn't like it & threw a big bow, double T.

Lakers are winning by 14 :D

You completely left out that Bynum initiated the retaliation by shaq with a big shove :rolleyes:

CalDolFan1014
01-17-2006, 12:54 AM
I can't stand Kobe. "It just a touch". Get over yourself! :rolleyes:

Amars
01-17-2006, 12:59 AM
Bynum shoved him first with all the emotion of that good play. Lakers will win by 5

SMadison29
01-17-2006, 01:01 AM
You completely left out that Bynum initiated the retaliation by shaq with a big shove :rolleyes:

It was a little bump. That happens all the time when you play ball. Besides I said it was a double T.



I can't stand Kobe. "It just a touch". Get over yourself!

Best player in the NBA, don't be hatin.

King Felix
01-17-2006, 01:07 AM
ill take wade over kobe the rapist ne day of the week

SMadison29
01-17-2006, 01:10 AM
ill take wade over kobe the rapist ne day of the week

:hmmm: :shakeno:


Lakers up by 18, 3 by Kobe.

PHINATIC13
01-17-2006, 01:13 AM
ill take wade over kobe the rapist ne day of the week

Goodluck with that GM job.j/k:tongue:

King Felix
01-17-2006, 01:13 AM
god i hate the lakers

King Felix
01-17-2006, 01:24 AM
T up kobe

SMadison29
01-17-2006, 01:45 AM
Down to single digits heading in to the 4th.

King Felix
01-17-2006, 01:46 AM
zo says get that outta here

d-day
01-17-2006, 01:46 AM
anybody remember that song they were playing when they came back from commercial...? :wink:

King Felix
01-17-2006, 01:47 AM
wade is hurt so its going to be harder for the heat

King Felix
01-17-2006, 01:49 AM
4 points phil waaaaaants time

SMadison29
01-17-2006, 01:53 AM
LOL, Walker took 4 steps before taking that running hook.

SMadison29
01-17-2006, 01:55 AM
Uh oh, this looks like Kobe vs LeBron the other night. Heating up in clutch time from the 20 foot range.

King Felix
01-17-2006, 01:58 AM
lol i dont really like the heat i jsut dont like kobe or lakers

d-day
01-17-2006, 01:59 AM
i'm still not comfortable watching dwyane shooting the 3

King Felix
01-17-2006, 02:00 AM
Uh oh, this looks like Kobe vs LeBron the other night. Heating up in clutch time from the 20 foot range.

2 bad he didnt do taht in the blazer game

King Felix
01-17-2006, 02:05 AM
haha 8 sec

SMadison29
01-17-2006, 02:06 AM
Smush Parker is not playing smart right now. Put his arse on the bench, he hasn't done anything all night.

SMadison29
01-17-2006, 02:07 AM
i'm still not comfortable watching dwyane shooting the 3

Neither would I, he's shooting 8% from 3, atrocious.

King Felix
01-17-2006, 02:07 AM
thats the only thing kobe has on him

SMadison29
01-17-2006, 02:12 AM
thats the only thing kobe has on him

Then there's defense, rebounding, ability to take over a game & win it single handedly on a consistent basis, & not to mention he's the most clutch player in the game. That's all.

d-day
01-17-2006, 02:15 AM
d-wade is spectacular...

King Felix
01-17-2006, 02:15 AM
wade is alot younger

SMadison29
01-17-2006, 02:15 AM
Right there is Kobe's clutch prowess.

King Felix
01-17-2006, 02:16 AM
and then there is teamwork the almighty teamwork

PHINATIC13
01-17-2006, 02:16 AM
:pray:1:22 left......

King Felix
01-17-2006, 02:18 AM
lol u mean that miss?

SMadison29
01-17-2006, 02:18 AM
wade is alot younger

3 1/2 years, decent amount. Wade is my second favorite to Kobe so by no means am I hating. He still has time to develop his three & D but his three needs a lot of work.

SMadison29
01-17-2006, 02:19 AM
lol u mean that miss?

MJ II can't hit em all. He was double covered fading out of bounds with the shot clock running down.

King Felix
01-17-2006, 02:21 AM
then why didnt he pass

King Felix
01-17-2006, 02:22 AM
nvm

SMadison29
01-17-2006, 02:24 AM
Definitely who you don't want to shoot the three. Should have been Posey.

SMadison29
01-17-2006, 02:25 AM
then why didnt he pass

The shot clock was at 2.


Lakers WIN!

King Felix
01-17-2006, 02:25 AM
thats why i said nvm

SMadison29
01-17-2006, 02:30 AM
thats why i said nvm

http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

nvm

King Felix
01-17-2006, 02:33 AM
is it just me or does kobe get hurt everygame

SMadison29
01-17-2006, 02:34 AM
is it just me or does kobe get hurt everygame

It's something minor every game. Vs the Cavs he jammed his wrist.

Section126
01-17-2006, 02:35 AM
Then there's defense, rebounding, ability to take over a game & win it single handedly on a consistent basis, & not to mention he's the most clutch player in the game. That's all.

Defense= CHECK
REBOUNDING= CHECK
Ability to take over a game and win it single handedly on a consitent basis= CHECK

And not to mention that he is the most clutch player in the game= CHECK

So what's your point?

Kobe just shoots more and is a better 3 pt. shooter...Wade happens to be younger and a better teammate.

I would rather have Dwayne...you keep mr. ball Hog.

Fresh
01-17-2006, 02:43 AM
Make it 15, Kobe with another 3pt buzzer beater, this one over Dwayne Wade.
It's Dwyane.

King Felix
01-17-2006, 02:46 AM
It's something minor every game. Vs the Cavs he jammed his wrist.

the blazer game he ws on ht floor for like a minuete with a poked eye

Fresh
01-17-2006, 02:48 AM
Defense= CHECK
REBOUNDING= CHECK
Ability to take over a game and win it single handedly on a consitent basis= CHECK

And not to mention that he is the most clutch player in the game= CHECK

So what's your point?

Kobe just shoots more and is a better 3 pt. shooter...Wade happens to be younger and a better teammate.

I would rather have Dwayne...you keep mr. ball Hog.

Exactly. It's pointless to even debate the two. Kobe is a GREAT individual player, and Wade is a GREAT team player.

Jaj
01-17-2006, 03:10 AM
Exactly. It's pointless to even debate the two. Kobe is a GREAT individual player, and Wade is a GREAT team player.

Most ridiculous thing I've ever heard and last season was even bigger proof. Kobe LED all SGs in assists...

Did you hear that right? He led all SGs in assists... :goof:

Fresh
01-17-2006, 03:11 AM
Most ridiculous thing I've ever heard and last season was even bigger proof. Kobe LED all SGs in assists...

Did you hear that right? He led all SGs in assists... :goof:
No he didn't. Where'd you get that info from? Wade had more than him.

Jaj
01-17-2006, 03:14 AM
No he didn't. Where'd you get that info from? Wade had more than him.

My bad, second, but the point is why aren't guys like Paul Pierce considered ball hogs but Kobe is.

It's not Kobe's team has any other good scorers. Frankly in the starting line-up there's no one other than Kobe that can shoot worth a damn. Smush isn't a great shooter, Odom is mediocre, Kwame certainly can't shoot, and Mihm is a C but a decent one at that. What can the man do? He's the best scorer on the team and if he's the best chance for the Lakers to win then why not shoot.

King Felix
01-17-2006, 03:16 AM
i doubt second

Fresh
01-17-2006, 03:17 AM
My bad, second, but the point is why aren't guys like Paul Pierce considered ball hogs but Kobe is.
It doesn't really come down to assists to me. It comes down to how you play the game.

Samphin
01-17-2006, 04:32 AM
Kobe haters really don't have a leg to stand on here. I have heard people call him selfish and a ball hog but really, who else can make a shot as often as he does? Lamar is timid and sometimes refuses to shoot, Smuch will always jack it up, but it doesn't always go in. Mihm and Kwame trade night where they are productive, therefore rendering them unreliable. Devean George has played his heart out but really is best suited as a sixth man. Bynum will be a force but is too young and too green. Walton is a psser first, shooter second.

Face it. Kobe is their best and sometimes, only option. Despite that enormous role and obvious place the Lakers will go, he still gets it done. He made Payton and Wade look silly tonight. Anyone who thinks Wade is on Kobe's level is insane. Kobe is doing this without the help of really anyone. Wade has Shaq right now, who even though diminished, is still a presence.

Don't get me wrong. Players like LeBron and Wade are going to CARRY this league in the future. They are just not in Kobe's stratosphere right now. Heck, no one is right now. He is playing on another level. Hopefully, as a Laker fan, it lasts the rest of the way.

Great game tonight. I really like how the Heat didn't give in even being down by 19. Made for an exciting finish. Nice to see Shaq finally be a man and acknowledge Kobe ( who has been doing that since the split with little to no credit ) only to see him almost give it back by trying to take Bynum's head off. Yes, I know Bynum initiated contact, but had Kobe done that to some rookie guard on the Heat, you all would be exploding with rage. Shaq should have been tossed, but I am glad he wasn't as it would have made the game less fun.

finfansince72
01-17-2006, 07:29 AM
Id take LeBron and Dwayne over Kobe, I know he's your boy Samphin but Kobe's team is mediocre at best with him taking all the shots. These other guys put up great numbers and their team's are going to be in the playoffs, Kobe's might very well be watching the playoffs on TV. Ive seen plenty of Laker games, Kobe doesnt even try to get his teamates involved, they know it and they don't even try to get involved. They just stand around and watch. Kobe's selfish label is well earned.

Samphin
01-17-2006, 12:15 PM
Id take LeBron and Dwayne over Kobe, I know he's your boy Samphin but Kobe's team is mediocre at best with him taking all the shots. These other guys put up great numbers and their team's are going to be in the playoffs, Kobe's might very well be watching the playoffs on TV. Ive seen plenty of Laker games, Kobe doesnt even try to get his teamates involved, they know it and they don't even try to get involved. They just stand around and watch. Kobe's selfish label is well earned.


Yeah, because Lebron has done great things with the Cavs. :rolleyes: Wade is further along in my book than even Lebron, but that is because he has Shaq. Lebron literally has nothing, just like Kobe.

The only reason LeBron's team and Wade's team have the records they do is because they are in the eastern conference. The margin has shrunk, but the west is still stronger top to bottom which makes getting to the playoffs, a lot harder.

Section126
01-17-2006, 03:36 PM
Wait a minute...you are glad that Shaq "manned up" and acknowledged Kobe?

What Kobe did to SHAQ was grounds for a fist fight and never speaking to him again....what Kobe did started his legend as a scumbag.

A) Kobe accused Shaq of raping women.

B) Kobe said that Shaq had a woman in every NBA city. (Just what a wife wants to hear.)

C) Kobe ran Shaq out of town.

D) Kobe ran Phil Jackson out of town and thus upset Shaq.

Just to remind you of what a piece of garbage the rapist is.

Samphin
01-17-2006, 05:37 PM
Wait a minute...you are glad that Shaq "manned up" and acknowledged Kobe?

What Kobe did to SHAQ was grounds for a fist fight and never speaking to him again....what Kobe did started his legend as a scumbag.

A) Kobe accused Shaq of raping women.

People hate Kobe LONG before the rape incident. The fact is, he has had a backlash since ocming into the league. For unwarrented reasons, he is villified.

A) Kobe absolutely NEVER accused Shaq of raping women. Even if you believe that he said the things the racist cops in Colorado claimed he did, you cannot deduce that he was talking about rape. If anything, he was talking about paying off women to keep them shut about the affairs they were having.


B) Kobe said that Shaq had a woman in every NBA city. (Just what a wife wants to hear.)

Again, find me a place where he said this. Even if he did, it is probably true. Have you seen the numbers on NBA players and extra marital affairs. It is truly mindboggling.


C) Kobe ran Shaq out of town. :rolleyes: Shaq ran Shaq out of town. He was fat, milking injuries and wanted more money a year than most teams annual payroll. The bottom line was that Dr. Buss made the decision for the future, rather than the very short present where Shaq may have been able to help. Shaq constantly threatoned retirement ( either because of West leaving or to pursue his cop career ), disrupted the team while they were playing games over his contract dispute and constantly misse dpractices. Not too mention the horrible way he rehabbed his tow. His attitude was horrendous towards the end. Combine that with his declining play and health + the amount of money he was demanding and you have a formula for disaster. The media likes to pin this on Kobe because it makes for a better story and gives them their bad guy. The issue was between Shaq and Buss.

D) Kobe ran Phil Jackson out of town and thus upset Shaq.

I don't really doubt this. It is no secret that Jackson and Kobe could not see eye to eye. Phil's contract was up as it was. It wasn't like Kobe had him fired like Magic did to coaches or forced them to "resign" like a certain Big Fella helped do in Miami this season. Shaq would have been gone either way, so that part I disagree with. Oh and in case you hadn't noticed, Phil came back to coach Lakers with Kobe still on the team. It should tell you something right there.

Just to remind you of what a piece of garbage the rapist is.

Just to remind you what a piece of garbage Shaq is. Seriously, if you want to slander/libel someone, feel free. I find it funny that people cling onto calling Kobe a rapist because of what some opportunistic teenager claimed.





As it stands though, I don't expect you to od anything but tow the line for shaq and your team. Afterall, you are a fan of the Heat and thus side with them regardless. Heck, I tend to side with the Lakers 99% of the time myself. We will just have to agree to disagree...and agree to agree about our beloved fins. :tongue: :dolphins:

Section126
01-17-2006, 06:59 PM
Samphin...you are outnumbered One Million to one here....

Shaq is beloved...and an overall great guy........The guy is a great guy on and off the court.

Kobe on the other hand is a jerk by all accounts.

finfansince72
01-17-2006, 09:52 PM
The following statement by Kobe Bryant was issued after sexual assault charges against him were dropped:


"First, I want to apologize directly to the young woman involved in this incident. I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has suffered in the past year. Although this year has been incredibly difficult for me personally, I can only imagine the pain she has had to endure. I also want to apologize to her parents and family members, and to my family and friends and supporters, and to the citizens of Eagle, Colo.

"I also want to make it clear that I do not question the motives of this young woman. No money has been paid to this woman. She has agreed that this statement will not be used against me in the civil case. Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.



"I issue this statement today fully aware that while one part of this case ends today, another remains. I understand that the civil case against me will go forward. That part of this case will be decided by and between the parties directly involved in the incident and will no longer be a financial or emotional drain on the citizens of the state of Colorado."

Samphin, Kobe doesnt question the motives of the woman and admitted that she didnt believe the sex was consensual. This is pretty much the definition of rape. It doesnt matter whether Kobe 'thought' the sex was consensual, the victim didnt. Why apologize if you had the case dropped? Kobe apologized and settled the civil trial because he did something really stupid. I can't recall anyone being accused of crime like this issuing a statement like this, Kobe pretty much admitted to having sex with her without her consent and apologized for it, and paid for it. Great guy though, youre right.

King Felix
01-17-2006, 10:54 PM
i wish he was in prison

Prime Time
01-17-2006, 11:17 PM
People hate Kobe LONG before the rape incident. The fact is, he has had a backlash since ocming into the league. For unwarrented reasons, he is villified.

A) Kobe absolutely NEVER accused Shaq of raping women. Even if you believe that he said the things the racist cops in Colorado claimed he did, you cannot deduce that he was talking about rape. If anything, he was talking about paying off women to keep them shut about the affairs they were having.



Again, find me a place where he said this. Even if he did, it is probably true. Have you seen the numbers on NBA players and extra marital affairs. It is truly mindboggling.

:rolleyes: Shaq ran Shaq out of town. He was fat, milking injuries and wanted more money a year than most teams annual payroll. The bottom line was that Dr. Buss made the decision for the future, rather than the very short present where Shaq may have been able to help. Shaq constantly threatoned retirement ( either because of West leaving or to pursue his cop career ), disrupted the team while they were playing games over his contract dispute and constantly misse dpractices. Not too mention the horrible way he rehabbed his tow. His attitude was horrendous towards the end. Combine that with his declining play and health + the amount of money he was demanding and you have a formula for disaster. The media likes to pin this on Kobe because it makes for a better story and gives them their bad guy. The issue was between Shaq and Buss.


I don't really doubt this. It is no secret that Jackson and Kobe could not see eye to eye. Phil's contract was up as it was. It wasn't like Kobe had him fired like Magic did to coaches or forced them to "resign" like a certain Big Fella helped do in Miami this season. Shaq would have been gone either way, so that part I disagree with. Oh and in case you hadn't noticed, Phil came back to coach Lakers with Kobe still on the team. It should tell you something right there.


Just to remind you what a piece of garbage Shaq is. Seriously, if you want to slander/libel someone, feel free. I find it funny that people cling onto calling Kobe a rapist because of what some opportunistic teenager claimed.





As it stands though, I don't expect you to od anything but tow the line for shaq and your team. Afterall, you are a fan of the Heat and thus side with them regardless. Heck, I tend to side with the Lakers 99% of the time myself. We will just have to agree to disagree...and agree to agree about our beloved fins. :tongue: :dolphins:

I am a Heat Fan. I like Shaq. I like Kobe. Kobe isn't as bad as people make him out to be...end of story.

PHINATIC13
01-17-2006, 11:21 PM
I am a Heat Fan. I like Shaq. I like Kobe. Kobe isn't as bad as people make him out to be...end of story.

Bump

Samphin
01-17-2006, 11:57 PM
The following statement by Kobe Bryant was issued after sexual assault charges against him were dropped:


"First, I want to apologize directly to the young woman involved in this incident. I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has suffered in the past year. Although this year has been incredibly difficult for me personally, I can only imagine the pain she has had to endure. I also want to apologize to her parents and family members, and to my family and friends and supporters, and to the citizens of Eagle, Colo.

"I also want to make it clear that I do not question the motives of this young woman. No money has been paid to this woman. She has agreed that this statement will not be used against me in the civil case. Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.



"I issue this statement today fully aware that while one part of this case ends today, another remains. I understand that the civil case against me will go forward. That part of this case will be decided by and between the parties directly involved in the incident and will no longer be a financial or emotional drain on the citizens of the state of Colorado."

Samphin, Kobe doesnt question the motives of the woman and admitted that she didnt believe the sex was consensual. This is pretty much the definition of rape. It doesnt matter whether Kobe 'thought' the sex was consensual, the victim didnt. Why apologize if you had the case dropped? Kobe apologized and settled the civil trial because he did something really stupid. I can't recall anyone being accused of crime like this issuing a statement like this, Kobe pretty much admitted to having sex with her without her consent and apologized for it, and paid for it. Great guy though, youre right.

Maybe because he wants the whole thing to go away? Remember, the case had already been thrown out of criminal court due to lack of evidencem essentially. The prosecution knew they wouldn't be able to get a conviction and the girl ended up refusing to testify due to her history of MENTAL ILLNESS and outlandish claims being exposed.

This settlement was part of the civil suit in which the lady sued for monetary purposes. It is of my opinion that that is what she was after all along. If not, the "apology" should have sufficed.

Meanwhile, Kobe is paying tons of money for legal counsel and wanted her and her problem to simply go away. This was the easiest and quickest way to do it. Otherwise, it would have dragged on and on and more than likely, Kobe's other affairs would have surfaced ( much to his chagrin ) and more people would have been hurt. Anyone who thinks he raped this girl and thinks that this letter proves it is barking up the wrong tree.

Samphin
01-17-2006, 11:59 PM
I am a Heat Fan. I like Shaq. I like Kobe. Kobe isn't as bad as people make him out to be...end of story.


Another voice of reason. :D I don't hate Shaq at all. I love that he helped get my Lakers three more championships and was shippe dout at the right time. I just can't stand when people pile on a guy ( be it Kobe or whoever ) without a real reason to. It smacks of insecurity on their part.

Samphin
01-18-2006, 12:02 AM
Samphin...you are outnumbered One Million to one here....

Shaq is beloved...and an overall great guy........The guy is a great guy on and off the court.

Kobe on the other hand is a jerk by all accounts.

Please, don't lie. I have at least two other people on my side in this thread. :D

Shaq's a great guy huh? Tell that to Brad Miller hwo he suckered punched a few years back. I am sure He loves Shaq. Tell that to Penny Hardaway, Stan Van Gundy, Kobe Bryant and Vlade Divac. Heck, after last night's display of cowardice, you can probably take Andrew Bynum off his Christmas card list as well.

Personally? I like Shaq. I think he has a lot of good qualities. But I also think Kobe is a good guy ( in general ) as well. Just because one panders to the media every chance he gets and the other would rather not bother, makes one the bad guy and one the good guy.

P.S. I highly doubt all you Heat fans loved Shaq when he played for L.A. Somewhat of fairweathered fans maybe?

finfansince72
01-18-2006, 12:14 AM
Maybe because he wants the whole thing to go away? Remember, the case had already been thrown out of criminal court due to lack of evidencem essentially. The prosecution knew they wouldn't be able to get a conviction and the girl ended up refusing to testify due to her history of MENTAL ILLNESS and outlandish claims being exposed.

This settlement was part of the civil suit in which the lady sued for monetary purposes. It is of my opinion that that is what she was after all along. If not, the "apology" should have sufficed.

Meanwhile, Kobe is paying tons of money for legal counsel and wanted her and her problem to simply go away. This was the easiest and quickest way to do it. Otherwise, it would have dragged on and on and more than likely, Kobe's other affairs would have surfaced ( much to his chagrin ) and more people would have been hurt. Anyone who thinks he raped this girl and thinks that this letter proves it is barking up the wrong tree.


Ive heard of tons of rape and sexual assault claims made and settled, Ive never read something like this. It was an admission that Kobe had unconsentual sex with her, that is rape by definition. Again, Ive never heard of someone this high profile saying something like this to get out of something. Usually the money is enough but Kobe had to admit to something, that isnt usually the way it works. I think he had more to hide that a civil trial would have brought to light. Again, hes not the great guy you keep defending and people have ample reason to dislike him. Youre being a fanboy, not objective in the least.

Section126
01-18-2006, 02:08 AM
Please, don't lie. I have at least two other people on my side in this thread. :D

Shaq's a great guy huh? Tell that to Brad Miller hwo he suckered punched a few years back. I am sure He loves Shaq. Tell that to Penny Hardaway, Stan Van Gundy, Kobe Bryant and Vlade Divac. Heck, after last night's display of cowardice, you can probably take Andrew Bynum off his Christmas card list as well.

Personally? I like Shaq. I think he has a lot of good qualities. But I also think Kobe is a good guy ( in general ) as well. Just because one panders to the media every chance he gets and the other would rather not bother, makes one the bad guy and one the good guy.

P.S. I highly doubt all you Heat fans loved Shaq when he played for L.A. Somewhat of fairweathered fans maybe?


Samphin, Shaq is beloved...I repeat...he is beloved...Kobe is hated...that is a fact....

Stop being a fanboy and just face that fact.

Stop trying to convince yourself that Shaq is just as bad...or that Kobe is really a good guy.

Shaq is one of the most or THE most generous athlete of our time....it is an insult to even compare the two.

Section126
01-18-2006, 02:20 AM
And BTW...I call it as I see it....

I have met alot of these guys ( I used to be a memorabilia dealer) and I can say without a doubt that some of the athletes I hated the most...were some of the nicest guys you could ever meet. (Patrick Ewing, Jim Kelly, Bruce Smith)

And some of my favorites were total A-Holes, (John Offerdahl, Dan Marino, Tim Hardaway)

SMadison29
01-18-2006, 02:35 AM
No he didn't. Where'd you get that info from? Wade had more than him.

Dwyane Wade ran the point last year, he wasn't the 2G.

Section126
01-18-2006, 02:53 AM
Dwyane Wade ran the point last year, he wasn't the 2G.


He did for the first 15 games or so...But when Damon Jones was put into the starting lineup....Wade was the 2G, and Damon ran the offense.

So...NO...he was a 2G last year.

Samphin
01-18-2006, 06:48 PM
And BTW...I call it as I see it....

I have met alot of these guys ( I used to be a memorabilia dealer) and I can say without a doubt that some of the athletes I hated the most...were some of the nicest guys you could ever meet. (Patrick Ewing, Jim Kelly, Bruce Smith)

And some of my favorites were total A-Holes, (John Offerdahl, Dan Marino, Tim Hardaway)
But see, I have met Tim Hardaway and he was one of the nicest guys in sports I had ever talked to. Same goes for Rickey Henderson ( who happens to be a friend ofmy family ).

Granted, if Tim, Dan and John were nasty towards you, I can fully understand why you would consider them A-holes. But again, you odn't know what wasgoing on in their personal lives or if they were having a bad day.

I guess part of the reason I come to the defense of people who are scrutinized in public is because I have been on the other side of it. I used to be a pro wrestler. I was never "famous" by any stretch of the imagination. But on occasion a local wrestling fan would acknowledge you. Most often than not, you were grateful for it. However, there are certain times where you just want to be left alone, even if only one person recognizes you.

I am assuming that you met these guys during a show or convention. If that is the case, then, it certainly sounds like they should know exactly what they are in for.

Section126
01-18-2006, 10:56 PM
But see, I have met Tim Hardaway and he was one of the nicest guys in sports I had ever talked to. Same goes for Rickey Henderson ( who happens to be a friend ofmy family ).

Granted, if Tim, Dan and John were nasty towards you, I can fully understand why you would consider them A-holes. But again, you odn't know what wasgoing on in their personal lives or if they were having a bad day.

I guess part of the reason I come to the defense of people who are scrutinized in public is because I have been on the other side of it. I used to be a pro wrestler. I was never "famous" by any stretch of the imagination. But on occasion a local wrestling fan would acknowledge you. Most often than not, you were grateful for it. However, there are certain times where you just want to be left alone, even if only one person recognizes you.

I am assuming that you met these guys during a show or convention. If that is the case, then, it certainly sounds like they should know exactly what they are in for.


I was actually helping with a card show and had to deal with John and Tim directly....John Offerdahl especially was a total jerk.

PHINATIC13
01-18-2006, 11:28 PM
And BTW...I call it as I see it....

I have met alot of these guys ( I used to be a memorabilia dealer) and I can say without a doubt that some of the athletes I hated the most...were some of the nicest guys you could ever meet. (Patrick Ewing, Jim Kelly, Bruce Smith)

And some of my favorites were total A-Holes, (John Offerdahl, Dan Marino, Tim Hardaway)

Hey 126 did they know you were a Memorabilia dealer,cause I've heard they(pros) don't care a lot for those type.

Short story > My brother-in-law(b.i.l.)met Dan Marino when he worked for Dreamworks.He(b.i.l) asked Dan If he could sign this "pamphlet"(which was about DM) for me(after briefly telling DM I was a huge phin-fan and DM was my favorite player) Dan did sign that and told my b.i.l. he would do better than that which resulted in me getting this personally addressed signed football.I know it's just one story but everyone's human and maybe you just caught DM on a bad day.
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2008/03/DanMarinosignedFootball008-1.jpg
So you can see why DM's ok in my book. Btw my brother-in-law said he was one of the nicest guys he's ever met.Oh and my b.i.l. is no huge sports fan either. Anyway that's my 2 cents for what it's worth.

Samphin
01-19-2006, 12:39 AM
Just to add: Mark McGwire is generally perceived to be an extremely nice guy. Steroids aside, fans, and writers alike talk about how genuinely nice he is. Well, he was rude to me and I was only a kid.

On a positive note however, Dave Henderson, Mike Gallegos, Walt Weiss and the rest of the Oakland A's players from the late 80's/early 90's were really good to me and my sister. It pays to know people who know...people. :D

Section126
01-19-2006, 02:50 AM
I don't think they knew I was a memorabilia dealer...but they did know I was connected to the event....

As far as they knew...I was a guy that was there to make them feel comfortable.

Lets just say that John Offerdahl was rude enough that if it were on the street under other circumstances, there might have been some rough words followed by a probable fist fight...but I just took it because I needed the money more than I needed to pop him in the face.

Tim was just an A-Hole....Marino was just arrogant and extremely demanding...

PHINATIC13
01-19-2006, 03:03 AM
I don't think they knew I was a memorabilia dealer...but they did know I was connected to the event....

As far as they knew...I was a guy that was there to make them feel comfortable.

Lets just say that John Offerdahl was rude enough that if it were on the street under other circumstances, there might have been some rough words followed by a probable fist fight...but I just took it because I needed the money more than I needed to pop him in the face.

Tim was just an A-Hole....Marino was just arrogant and extremely demanding...

I hear ya 126, I guess I just don't to think people/players I looked up to or idolized can be di*ks like the rest of us at times.:(