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finswin56
01-21-2006, 06:24 PM
Looks like a cash move. I guess Heilman may be moving back to the rotation.
I'm not too sure we got a lot of value there, unless that frees up more cash to look for more FA's, if there are any left. Hopefully, Julio can be dependable in the bullpen.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2300779

MikeO
01-21-2006, 07:28 PM
That's not a cash move. That's a WE HAVE NO BULLPEN move!

phunwin
01-21-2006, 07:54 PM
Actually, Mike, it's part cash move (this saves the Mets $16 million on Benson's overpriced deal) and part "we have to replenish our farm system". Julio's nothing special, and I believe the focus of the deal was this guy:

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/M/john-maine.shtml

John Maine was the Orioles' #1 pitching prospect. Granted, that's like being a big fish in a small pond, but still, he projects as a pretty good starter. His progression has been steady, his K/BB ratio is solid and he showed improvement at the big league level from his previous stint.

The Orioles originally thought they could give the Mets Julio for Benson straight up. I think Minaya was ready to do that deal until other teams expressed interest. So he held onto Benson, and the O's upped the ante by finally offering Maine.

If nothing else, the Mets can probably package Maine and Mike Pelfrey to the Marlins for Dontrelle Willis at midseason. :lol:

Ray Finkle
01-21-2006, 08:20 PM
I think it's a bad move by the Mets. Even if it was a cash dump. Benson is a pretty solid number 3 guy and with Pedro and Glavine not getting any younger or healthier it's a risky move in my opinion. Julio is a poor man's Benitez, I hope the Mets aren't counting on him being anything special.

phunwin
01-21-2006, 08:34 PM
I think it's a bad move by the Mets. Even if it was a cash dump. Benson is a pretty solid number 3 guy and with Pedro and Glavine not getting any younger or healthier it's a risky move in my opinion. Julio is a poor man's Benitez, I hope the Mets aren't counting on him being anything special.

This is the one thing I do worry about. Martinez is an injury risk. Glavine is old. Trachsel is both old and an injury risk. Of course, Benson was an injury risk, too, but the point remains, the Mets have cannibalized their potential starting depth. There's a guy at Norfolk, Eric Junge (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/J/eric-junge.shtml) who looks like a successful reclamation project, and the likely 6th starter if/when they need one, or they could call up prospect Brian Bannister (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/B/brian-bannister.shtml), who absolutely dominated AAA last year in his brief time there and might be ready for the show. Or they could plug in the just-acquired John Maine, who is ready for the majors. So they have options, but none proven.

That said, with the payroll space they've created, the Mets could also take on a decent starter in a salary dump type deal. Or a slugger whose name rhymes with "Shamirez", and just club opponents to death under an avalanche of runs. ;)

Rocky Raccoon
01-21-2006, 08:48 PM
I wish we would have kept Benson... even though he is overpriced. I fear Tom Glavine as a Mets fan personally, he is just too inconsistent and he is running out of gas. I wish we would have traded him instead... just my opinion.

Ray Finkle
01-21-2006, 08:55 PM
That said, with the payroll space they've created, the Mets could also take on a decent starter in a salary dump type deal. Or a slugger whose name rhymes with "Shamirez", and just club opponents to death under an avalanche of runs. ;)

Shamirez? What player rhymes with that? :confused: :rolleyes: :lol:

I admit I'm not very knowledgable about the Mets farm system other than Lastings Milledge and Jeff Kapinger (you obviously know your team) anyway I personally think Omar did this to dump money to sign Barry Zito over the winter.

But like you and I agree on, the Mets rotation right now has injury ? marks (but then again what MLB team doesn't have injury risks). I do think that the Mets weakened both their rotation and bullpen with his move for the 2006 season. I think throwing Heliman into the set up role would have been a good idea, and treated him like the Twins treated Johan Santana. But we'll see spring training is just around the corner.

finswin56
01-22-2006, 08:01 AM
I still wish we had held on to Seo. He was really starting to look good in the second half of last year. Then again, he was probably traded at his highest market value. I'm just very unsure about the depth for the rotation.

finfansince72
01-22-2006, 08:28 AM
Too bad they couldnt just get rid of Benson and keep his wife around.

RWhitney014
01-22-2006, 12:21 PM
Actually, Mike, it's part cash move (this saves the Mets $16 million on Benson's overpriced deal) and part "we have to replenish our farm system". Julio's nothing special, and I believe the focus of the deal was this guy:

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/M/john-maine.shtml

John Maine was the Orioles' #1 pitching prospect. Granted, that's like being a big fish in a small pond, but still, he projects as a pretty good starter. His progression has been steady, his K/BB ratio is solid and he showed improvement at the big league level from his previous stint.

The Orioles originally thought they could give the Mets Julio for Benson straight up. I think Minaya was ready to do that deal until other teams expressed interest. So he held onto Benson, and the O's upped the ante by finally offering Maine.

If nothing else, the Mets can probably package Maine and Mike Pelfrey to the Marlins for Dontrelle Willis at midseason. :lol:

I don't think Maine was the top pitching prospect. Chris Ray is probably number 1, then Hayden Penn and Adam Loewen. Maine had a nice 2003, but look at those AAA numbers over two separate years. Ouch. Numbers in the majors aren't wonderful, either.

Thing with Maine and Pelfrey for Dontrelle, Phil, is that every deal we've made has brought back great talent. And considering we've essentially robbed the Mets' system dry - with the notable exception of Milledge, whom we could have had but chose Petit - we're probably not gonna end up doing that. ;)

MikeO
01-22-2006, 12:47 PM
Benson's wife held a press conference over this::::::

Anna Benson called a news conference last night in Manhattan at which she expressed displeasure with the trade. "I think if he was traded because of any potential talks with Playboy or anything like this, then that's a dirty, nasty, rotten trick," Newsday quoted Anna as saying. "That's really a freedom-of-speech infringement on me. He's my husband. I'm his wife. He's not responsible for what I do and I'm not responsible for what he does. I have my own career, and it should be separated."

Ray Finkle
01-22-2006, 01:40 PM
Too bad they couldnt just get rid of Benson and keep his wife around.

:sidelol:

Somewhere Johnny Damon's wife celebrates as she is now the Queen Stripper of New York

phunwin
01-22-2006, 01:59 PM
I don't think Maine was the top pitching prospect. Chris Ray is probably number 1, then Hayden Penn and Adam Loewen. Maine had a nice 2003, but look at those AAA numbers over two separate years. Ouch. Numbers in the majors aren't wonderful, either.


Well, Maine was their #1 prospect last year, as I read it, and since I'm not terribly familiar with the Orioles system, he could have easily been passed by those guys, in large part because I think they were planning to stick him in the rotation. You're right, the AAA and majors numbers don't inspire awe, but the improvement was clearly there, and that's what I'm looking for. He'll struggle as the 6th starter/middle reliever, in all likelihood, but in the end, I think he'll probably end up as a quality 4th or 5th starter from what I've read. I also really like the fact that it doesn't look like he's ever had injury problems.

Rocky Raccoon
01-22-2006, 02:16 PM
:sidelol:

Somewhere Johnny Damon's wife celebrates as she is now the Queen Stripper of New York

:chuckle:

I HATE the Yankees with a passion, and I used to like Damon when he was with Boston but now that he put on a Yankee uniform I can't stand him either... but his wife is ******* hot.

Ray Finkle
01-22-2006, 02:19 PM
:chuckle:

I HATE the Yankees with a passion, and I used to like Damon when he was with Boston but now that he put on a Yankee uniform I can't stand him either... but his wife is ******* hot.

Damon's wife is a piece of work, just like Benson's. The NY Press is going to love having Mrs. Damon around, I'm sure some of the players will too.

(P.S. GREAT avatar man)

Boik14
01-23-2006, 01:55 AM
I think it's a bad move by the Mets. Even if it was a cash dump. Benson is a pretty solid number 3 guy and with Pedro and Glavine not getting any younger or healthier it's a risky move in my opinion. Julio is a poor man's Benitez, I hope the Mets aren't counting on him being anything special. This was a great move by the Mets for so many reasons its unbelieveable.

1. It saves the Mets a boatload of change (13m to be exact. Benson has 15.5m left - Julio's 2.5m arbitration ruling)
2. Minaya has said Benson really cant give them 200 innings every year cause hes hurt so much.
3. Aaron Heilman deserves a spot in the rotation after finishing last year with a league leading 0.68 era in the 2nd half.
4. With Heilmann likely jumping to the rotation Julio provides a young power arm who has closing experience. His ERAis a bit higher than youd likely but hes also young...leading to the next point.
5. Julio is 5 years younger.
6. Maine has a nice young arm as well and pitched solid in 03 and 04 at the lower levels. His k rate stayed high in AAA and MLB so its not a case of bad stuff finally getting hit but more likely a case of good stuff with young pitchers make mistakes syndrome.

And as far as Glavine, he was horrible in the 1st half last year but turned it around when Rick Peterson finally reminded him its ok to pitch inside. He should be back to his old reliable self this year.

Boik14
01-23-2006, 01:58 AM
This was nothing short of a prelude to trading for Zito imo.

Beane has been after a handful of the Mets players for years starting with Maine but also including Duaner Sanchez, Victor Diaz and Aaron Heilman.

NJFINSFAN1
01-23-2006, 08:45 AM
This was nothing short of a prelude to trading for Zito imo.

Beane has been after a handful of the Mets players for years starting with Maine but also including Duaner Sanchez, Victor Diaz and Aaron Heilman.

That's what they are saying in the local papers, Zito could be on the radar screen!;)

finswin56
01-23-2006, 10:59 AM
That's what they are saying in the local papers, Zito could be on the radar screen!;)That would be awesome!

Ray Finkle
01-23-2006, 01:23 PM
This was a great move by the Mets for so many reasons its unbelieveable.

1. It saves the Mets a boatload of change (13m to be exact. Benson has 15.5m left - Julio's 2.5m arbitration ruling)
2. Minaya has said Benson really cant give them 200 innings every year cause hes hurt so much.
3. Aaron Heilman deserves a spot in the rotation after finishing last year with a league leading 0.68 era in the 2nd half.
4. With Heilmann likely jumping to the rotation Julio provides a young power arm who has closing experience. His ERAis a bit higher than youd likely but hes also young...leading to the next point.
5. Julio is 5 years younger.
6. Maine has a nice young arm as well and pitched solid in 03 and 04 at the lower levels. His k rate stayed high in AAA and MLB so its not a case of bad stuff finally getting hit but more likely a case of good stuff with young pitchers make mistakes syndrome.

And as far as Glavine, he was horrible in the 1st half last year but turned it around when Rick Peterson finally reminded him its ok to pitch inside. He should be back to his old reliable self this year.

I wouldn't call this a great move. Benson is a very good pitcher. Julio plain old stinks, it doesn't matter how young he is. His ERA last year was 5.90 and his career ERa is 4.20. Not something you should like from a reliever.

But hey if this paves the way for the Mets to land someone like Zito, then this trade is good (because Maine would probably go in the deal).

phunwin
01-23-2006, 01:36 PM
No, Benson is NOT a "very good" pitcher. Benson is a "slightly above average" pitcher. His ERA+ numbers put him only slightly above an average major league pitcher. Benson's stuff has always been good, but he's hurt a lot, and he's 29 or 30 years old. At this point, he is what he is; a good #3/#4 starter who can be counted on for about 28 starts a year and whose ability will always exceed his production.

As for Julio, he does suck. I totally agree. When they made this deal, I said this was a deal to get a good pitching prospect and save a boatload of money. Whatever Julio gives them is a bonus in my book. If Rick Peterson straightens him out, wonderful, but Julio looks like a guy who had one great year and will never get back to that.

Ray Finkle
01-23-2006, 03:16 PM
No, Benson is NOT a "very good" pitcher. Benson is a "slightly above average" pitcher. His ERA+ numbers put him only slightly above an average major league pitcher. Benson's stuff has always been good, but he's hurt a lot, and he's 29 or 30 years old. At this point, he is what he is; a good #3/#4 starter who can be counted on for about 28 starts a year and whose ability will always exceed his production.

As for Julio, he does suck. I totally agree. When they made this deal, I said this was a deal to get a good pitching prospect and save a boatload of money. Whatever Julio gives them is a bonus in my book. If Rick Peterson straightens him out, wonderful, but Julio looks like a guy who had one great year and will never get back to that.

I actually meant to say that Benson is a very good 3rd pitcher, my mistake. I agree with everyone you said about him and about Julio.

As I said before I think the Mets obviously did this move to save money for someone like Zito next year, or possibly in July (if the A's are out of the mix).

Roman529
01-23-2006, 04:37 PM
Anna Benson looked hot in Penthouse. The Phillies just wrapped up the NL East with this move. :)

NJFINSFAN1
02-01-2006, 04:06 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/5293678

Roman529
02-02-2006, 03:21 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/5293678

Mrs. Benson wants to be the next Meg Tilly. Meg is a good poker player. They are starting to publish some baseball magazines....the ones I have read have the Braves finishing 1st, Mets 2nd, Phils 3rd, Nats 4th and the Marlins last.