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SMadison29
01-23-2006, 12:28 AM
53 points through 3 quarters on 21 of 33 shooting.

Majpain
01-23-2006, 12:31 AM
Jeez who are they playing the Kings?

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 12:32 AM
Jeez who are they playing the Kings?

Close, the Raptors. The Lakers are only up 4.

PHINATIC13
01-23-2006, 12:32 AM
:woot:F***ing guy is just unbelievable.............not to mention Toronto was shooting out of there a**** all 1st half (62%).

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 12:34 AM
Bad opening to the 4th for Kobe with a technical.


Kobe just hit two free throws. 55 points.

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 12:36 AM
Kobe hit a jumper, 57 points.

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 12:38 AM
Kobe with another jumper & the foul, 59 points.

PHINATIC13
01-23-2006, 12:40 AM
75 for(Kobe) is looking mighty sweet :D (maybe more)

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 12:42 AM
He's definitely feeling it. He's 23 of 38, 60%. The only other person on the team hitting shots is Smush. Odom is 0 for 6. Lakers are only up by 5 so Kobe is gonna have to keep scoring.

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 12:44 AM
Spoke too soon, Lamar finally hit a 3.


Kobe is up to 61 now. 1 points away from his season high.

PHINATIC13
01-23-2006, 12:45 AM
new career high

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 12:46 AM
Kobe fouled while shooting a 3.

Hits the first one, 62 points.
Hits the second one, 63 points.
Hits the third one, 64 points.

PHINATIC13
01-23-2006, 12:47 AM
he ended his Laker team record of consective free throws at 62 tonight :(

Roman529
01-23-2006, 12:48 AM
How many did he get? I still think AI will win the scoring title....and won't shot as many field goals as Kobe either.

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 12:49 AM
he ended his Laker team record of consective free throws at 62 tonight :(

I didn't even notice that.

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 12:51 AM
How many did he get? I still think AI will win the scoring title....and won't shot as many field goals as Kobe either.


:shakeno: Kobe currently has 67 after that three. There's 6 minutes left in the game & the Lakers are only up 9. Kobe has a 2.3 point lead on AI right now.

byroan
01-23-2006, 12:52 AM
He's at 72 now. I hope they keep up the lead and cover the spread of -6.5 points. :)

PHINATIC13
01-23-2006, 12:52 AM
:allhail::allhail:

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 12:53 AM
OMG, Kobe with another three & comes right back down the court & hits another jumper.

He's up to 72. We're gonna see history.

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 12:54 AM
He's at 72 now. I hope they keep up the lead and cover the spread of -6.5 points. :)

:lol: Forget that. Damn it, Kobe missed.

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 12:55 AM
He just broke David Robinson's modern day record. Kobe with 74.

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 12:56 AM
Kobe is going to the line for 2 as Bosh fouls out. T.O. Raptors, lol.

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 12:58 AM
Makes the first, 75 points
& the second, 76 points.

MikeO
01-23-2006, 12:59 AM
3 foul shots coming!

PHINATIC13
01-23-2006, 01:00 AM
75 for(Kobe) is looking mighty sweet :D (maybe more)


Bump :D

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 01:00 AM
Kobe fouled shooting a three again, going to the line. He's gonna get 80.

Makes the first, 77 points.
Makes the second, 78 points.
Makes the third, 79 points.

Roman529
01-23-2006, 01:00 AM
What channel is it on??? :eek:

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 01:01 AM
This is the 2nd most points in NBA history. Congrats to the best player in the NBA.

byroan
01-23-2006, 01:01 AM
I'm watching it on FSN West.

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 01:02 AM
What channel is it on??? :eek:

Sadly it's not. Go to game cast, it's keeping up pretty well.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=260122013


Fouled again. There's 80 & 81.

PHINATIC13
01-23-2006, 01:02 AM
EIGHTY - ONE

byroan
01-23-2006, 01:02 AM
81 points.

MikeO
01-23-2006, 01:02 AM
God bless DIRECTV and NBA LEAGUE PASS!!!!!!

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 01:04 AM
And Kobe leaves the game.

:allhail: :allhail: :allhail:

byroan
01-23-2006, 01:04 AM
It's over with. 81 points for Kobe.

finfansince72
01-23-2006, 01:04 AM
You figure with a contract like ESPN has they could cut in for a moment like this.

MikeO
01-23-2006, 01:05 AM
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SMadison29
01-23-2006, 01:06 AM
You figure with a contract like ESPN has they could cut in for a moment like this.

Hell, ESPNews is going on with this Super Bowl BS & history just happened.

wpgfishfan
01-23-2006, 01:06 AM
Well all of us in Canada had this on free TV. Great game Kobe

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01-23-2006, 01:06 AM
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finfansince72
01-23-2006, 01:07 AM
Hell, ESPNews is going on with this Super Bowl BS & history just happened.

Well they can't cut Berman's facetime down. They probaly stopped all broadcasts on ESPN 1 and 2 and ESPN News to show the Flutie dropkick though.

Roman529
01-23-2006, 01:09 AM
Kobe wants to be the story not the NFL playoffs.....Stu Boyahhh Scott will be saying "can you feel it, and show me some love," over Kobe tonight. :D

Stu showing him right now on ESPN.

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 01:11 AM
Final line:

28 of 46 from the field 60.8% (BTW the rest of the team was 14 of 42 33%, they didn't pass to Kobe enough)
18 of 20 from the line 90%
7 of 13 from three 53.8%

6 boards, 3 steals, & oh yes 2 assists.

Roman529
01-23-2006, 01:13 AM
He had 55 in the 2nd half......damn!!!!!

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 01:18 AM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/01/rhs_kobebryant0-1.jpg

I am GOD

DeathStar
01-23-2006, 01:19 AM
28 out of 46 from the field
he it 7 out of 13 threes.
he had 18 out of 20 free throws.

and had 55 in the second half.

jesus christ.
sorry this had nothing to do with dolphins but as sports fans this is one amazing feet.

Roman529
01-23-2006, 01:21 AM
Yeah wrong forum but Kobe did go off.

Nappy Roots
01-23-2006, 01:22 AM
holy cow, i dont like kobe. but much props to him for this. this is amazing!

best player in the NBA indeed.

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 01:33 AM
I'm still waiting for the detractors to show up.

Section126
01-23-2006, 01:41 AM
I'm still waiting for the detractors to show up.


What detractors?

The people that put down Kobe on this board...put him down for being a scumbag...not for his playing ability.

Kobe is the best offensive player since MJ and the best overall individual player in the NBA.

Is he the best team player? Is he the best teammate?

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 01:44 AM
What detractors?

The one's that will say "well he only had 2 assists, he's not a team player."

unifiedtheory
01-23-2006, 01:44 AM
K....I stopped watching the NBA 5 years ago...but...

Eighty Freaking One!!!!

HOLY CRAP!

Boik14
01-23-2006, 01:45 AM
Impressive, yes.

Win a title without Shaq though and maybe someone will give a damn.

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01-23-2006, 01:48 AM
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Uh oh, I don't even remember what I said :confused:

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 01:49 AM
Impressive, yes.

Win a title without Shaq though and maybe someone will give a damn.

They give a damn already. It's unseeded the NFL championship games as the top story.

Boik14
01-23-2006, 02:01 AM
They give a damn already. It's unseeded the NFL championship games as the top story. Only on ESPN: The Worldwide Hype Machine

Samphin
01-23-2006, 02:05 AM
Impressive, yes.

Win a title without Shaq though and maybe someone will give a damn.

Tell Shaq to win one without and score 81 :lol:

Samphin
01-23-2006, 02:07 AM
What detractors?

The people that put down Kobe on this board...put him down for being a scumbag...not for his playing ability.

Kobe is the best offensive player since MJ and the best overall individual player in the NBA.

Is he the best team player? Is he the best teammate?


Well, he did have 2 assists. :lol: Seriously, the only other players who showed up tonight were Mihm and Parker. Everyone else was busy picking their butts apparently. You know it is impressive when Kobe haters are admiring it. What is even more impressive is that he did it on 61% shooting. That is outstanding.

I am not one to make predictions, but I wouldn't doubt if Kobe goes for 100 the next time he gets a sniff at it.

Jaj
01-23-2006, 02:14 AM
DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Oh no Gilbert Arenas is better than Kobe...

I can't even believe some Kobe haters.

DaMiAmIDoLpHiNz
01-23-2006, 02:14 AM
Well, he did have 2 assists. :lol: Seriously, the only other players who showed up tonight were Mihm and Parker. Everyone else was busy picking their butts apparently. You know it is impressive when Kobe haters are admiring it. What is even more impressive is that he did it on 61% shooting. That is outstanding.

I am not one to make predictions, but I wouldn't doubt if Kobe goes for 100 the next time he gets a sniff at it.

:lol:

I do not like Kobe at all but 81 points is something to congradulate him on. I give the man his props. He is the best scorer in the NBA. And i thought TMac had a good game with 43...:rolleyes:

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 02:16 AM
:lol:

I do not like Kobe at all but 81 points is something to congradulate him on. I give the man his props. He is the best scorer in the NBA. And i thought TMac had a good game with 43...:rolleyes:

He's barely half the man Kobe is.

Boik14
01-23-2006, 02:17 AM
Tell Shaq to win one without and score 81 :lol: The whole point is shaq was never enough of a black hole to shoot enough to score 81.

Shaq is on a team with the opportunity to win 1 this year. Mainly cause Dwayne Wade understands how to share a ball with the big fella.

Jaj
01-23-2006, 02:26 AM
The whole point is shaq was never enough of a black hole to shoot enough to score 81.

Shaq is on a team with the opportunity to win 1 this year. Mainly cause Dwayne Wade understands how to share a ball with the big fella.

Ughhhh once again....

Give it a break, when you're efficient and make points like no other it doesn't matter sharing the ball. Efficiency by himself, that's fine...

DaMiAmIDoLpHiNz
01-23-2006, 02:28 AM
He's barely half the man Kobe is.

Hey Tmac is pretty good. He can duke it out with kobe anytime. Dont forget 13 pts in 35 sec. When these guys get hot, they get hot.

Boik14
01-23-2006, 02:30 AM
Ughhhh once again....

Give it a break, when you're efficient and make points like no other it doesn't matter sharing the ball. Efficiency by himself, that's fine... Look I gave Kobe his props for tonight. 81 pts is amazing. But the whole point is hes usually not that efficient. Michael, Shaq, they mad/make players better by passing; Kobe doesnt. He doesnt get the Mihm's and Deaven George types involved like Michael got the Bill Wennington's and BJ Armstrongs involved. Kobe wants to be like Mike, then he should start playing like him.

Jaj
01-23-2006, 02:32 AM
Look I gave Kobe his props for tonight. 81 pts is amazing. But the whole point is hes usually not that efficient. Michael, Shaq, they mad/make players better by passing; Kobe doesnt. He doesnt get the Mihm's and Deaven George types involved like Michael got the Bill Wennington's and BJ Armstrongs involved. Kobe wants to be like Mike, then he should start playing like him.

Mihm is much better than Bill Wennington was and he gets involved off an on due to his own struggles with fouls.

Boik14
01-23-2006, 02:44 AM
Mihm is much better than Bill Wennington was and he gets involved off an on due to his own struggles with fouls. I know Mihm is better than Wennigton was. What I was saying was Kobe needs to feed him the ball and make better use of him. He's more polished in the post than Horace Grant ever was and Michael made Grant into an All Star on mor ethan 1 occassion

Alex44
01-23-2006, 02:47 AM
Just an opinion but


To me what is the differnce between

A 40 point 10 Assist game

and

A 60 point 0 assist game?

Its the same amount of points on the board

If a guy can score 81 points and your team wins, thats all that matters because a win is a win no matter how you slice it

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 03:34 AM
Hey Tmac is pretty good. He can duke it out with kobe anytime. Dont forget 13 pts in 35 sec. When these guys get hot, they get hot.

I was referring to T-Mac's 43 points tonight, I put it in bold print. He's barely half the man Kobe is, comparing 81 points to 43 ;)

Boik14
01-23-2006, 03:37 AM
Just an opinion but


To me what is the differnce between

A 40 point 10 Assist game

and

A 60 point 0 assist game?

Its the same amount of points on the board

If a guy can score 81 points and your team wins, thats all that matters because a win is a win no matter how you slice it The difference is very clear: A 40/10 game means you got other people involved to the point where they couldnt double you without likely paying for it. A player who goes for 60/0ast is going to be double teamed all day til he passes the ball. The opposition is going to make someone else beat them and if the guy who scores 60 refuses to pass still his team will likely lose.

Mostly when you have a great game like Kobe did tonight its about efficiency. Tonight Kobe shot lights out (28/46...over 60%) but many times when he has these 40+ pt outbursts he shoot more like 40-42% with a ton of trips to the charity stripe.

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 03:41 AM
Shaq is on a team with the opportunity to win 1 this year. Mainly cause Dwayne Wade understands how to share a ball with the big fella.

This argument doesn't make any sense Boik. Shaq is getting the same amount of shot attempts with Dwyane Wade as he did with Kobe his final year. Shaq is wearing down & his numbers prove it, the Lakers made the right decision. Kobe tried the team game last year, lead all 2Gs in assists last year, & they missed the playoffs. Now it's time for another course of action.

Boik14
01-23-2006, 03:47 AM
This argument doesn't make any sense Boik. Shaq is getting the same amount of shot attempts with Dwyane Wade as he did with Kobe his final year. Shaq is wearing down & his numbers prove it, the Lakers made the right decision. Kobe tried the team game last year, lead all 2Gs in assists last year, & they missed the playoffs. Now it's time for another course of action. Shaq is older now but it doesnt change the fact Kobe was the one who broke up a perfect team because he couldnt stand that Shaq had the guts to criticize him.

As far as last year, its Kobe's own fault. He had the perfect compliment and he screwed it up.

Jaj
01-23-2006, 03:52 AM
Shaq is older now but it doesnt change the fact Kobe was the one who broke up a perfect team because he couldnt stand that Shaq had the guts to criticize him.

As far as last year, its Kobe's own fault. He had the perfect compliment and he screwed it up.

Considering who has the big mouth and won't stop admiring himself publicly, I would say Shaq had just as much of a problem.

finfansince72
01-23-2006, 04:00 AM
The Lakers need to make some moves to become a serious contender, Kobes not going to put up 80 on San Antonio. Kobe is trying to carry a bad team, I give him credit he looks like he can get them the 7th, maybe 6th seed in the West, but really thats nothing to brag about. The team needs a leader, they need players that don't just stand around waiting for Kobe to carry them. Id trade Odom in a heartbeat if it got me a better compliment to Kobe, Odom plays like hes been hitting the bong before shootaround.

Jaj
01-23-2006, 04:05 AM
The Lakers need to make some moves to become a serious contender, Kobes not going to put up 80 on San Antonio. Kobe is trying to carry a bad team, I give him credit he looks like he can get them the 7th, maybe 6th seed in the West, but really thats nothing to brag about. The team needs a leader, they need players that don't just stand around waiting for Kobe to carry them. Id trade Odom in a heartbeat if it got me a better compliment to Kobe, Odom plays like hes been hitting the bong before shootaround.

I think he played better when he was on the bong :lol:

Samphin
01-23-2006, 04:42 AM
The whole argument about Kobe not giving the ball up to make his teammates better is false. Look at his scoring in tonight's game. He tried early to keep everyone involved, hardly anyone came with him. Mihm and Smush Parker are the only other ones to shoot even decently. KOBE SHOT OVER 60% FOR THE GAME! I don't care who you are, when you are as good as he is and as hot as he is, you ride that hand until it falters. Tonight, it didn't falter. Remember, the rest of the team shot around 30% tonight.

Do not, under any circumstance, criticize what Kobe did tonight. The guy put the entire team on his back and willed them to victory.

Samphin
01-23-2006, 04:44 AM
The difference is very clear: A 40/10 game means you got other people involved to the point where they couldnt double you without likely paying for it. A player who goes for 60/0ast is going to be double teamed all day til he passes the ball. The opposition is going to make someone else beat them and if the guy who scores 60 refuses to pass still his team will likely lose.

Mostly when you have a great game like Kobe did tonight its about efficiency. Tonight Kobe shot lights out (28/46...over 60%) but many times when he has these 40+ pt outbursts he shoot more like 40-42% with a ton of trips to the charity stripe.

I am too lazy to pull them, but I would love to see the amount of times, the player's team lost when player scores 60 or more points. I am guessing it is very slim. Your argument holds no water. If the guy is scoring 60, that means the defense can do NOTHING to stop him. No one else has to beat them, that player is doin just fine on his own.

finfansince72
01-23-2006, 05:36 AM
I am too lazy to pull them, but I would love to see the amount of times, the player's team lost when player scores 60 or more points. I am guessing it is very slim. Your argument holds no water. If the guy is scoring 60, that means the defense can do NOTHING to stop him. No one else has to beat them, that player is doin just fine on his own.

well if Kobe can average 60 a night the Lakers should get out of the first round of the playoffs.

Quelonio
01-23-2006, 06:05 AM
And this is why despite the fact that I am a Sonics fan I consider this man the best player I have ever seen (oh yes, I do)

UCFinfan86
01-23-2006, 07:38 AM
46 shot attempts? that is insane

Kobe
01-23-2006, 10:45 AM
46 shot attempts? that is insane

What is even crazier is that he made 28 of them. :rolleyes:

MikeO
01-23-2006, 11:15 AM
Uh oh, I don't even remember what I said :confused:

What BS. I know.

Who's running this place the FCC??????? That one liner wasn't even bad!

Lighten up and have a sense of humor!

Brad528
01-23-2006, 11:24 AM
The whole point is shaq was never enough of a black hole to shoot enough to score 81.

Shaq is on a team with the opportunity to win 1 this year. Mainly cause Dwayne Wade understands how to share a ball with the big fella.
Kobe new how to feed Shaq the ball too. I mean come on they one 4 Titles together. Just because of there recent feud does not mean they didnt play well together. In fact I would bet all the money I have that D.Wade and Shaq dont get 4 Titles. I agree that Wade is one of the best players I have seen in years but Shaq is just not the same force he used to be.

UCFinfan86
01-23-2006, 12:05 PM
What is even crazier is that he made 28 of them. :rolleyes:

ballhog, ya he had 28 baskets, and only 2 assists, ya hes a real leader

BAMAPHIN 22
01-23-2006, 12:30 PM
Kobe new how to feed Shaq the ball too. I mean come on they one 4 Titles together. Just because of there recent feud does not mean they didnt play well together. In fact I would bet all the money I have that D.Wade and Shaq dont get 4 Titles. I agree that Wade is one of the best players I have seen in years but Shaq is just not the same force he used to be.

Also, take into consideration that Shaq is also older...

Kobe
01-23-2006, 01:56 PM
ballhog, ya he had 28 baskets, and only 2 assists, ya hes a real leader


Yea, he only had 2 assists because in the beginning of the game everyone he passed to wasnt making shots. Did you see Lamar Odom's stat line?

Like it was stated before, who cares if its 60 points and 0 assists or 40 points and 10 assists?

Samphin
01-23-2006, 02:04 PM
well if Kobe can average 60 a night the Lakers should get out of the first round of the playoffs.


:lol: Yeah, right now he is at a putrid 34 ppg. He isn't pulling his weight.

Majpain
01-23-2006, 02:05 PM
Freaking beast I wake up today and he scores 81 points!!!!Jeez he is a beast.

Roman529
01-23-2006, 04:40 PM
ballhog, ya he had 28 baskets, and only 2 assists, ya hes a real leader

At least AI is in the top 10 in assists, along with his #2 spot in scoring...he is the real MVP, not Kobe.

painnotpleasure
01-23-2006, 04:45 PM
Wow, that's f*cking unbelievable. You can easily make the arguement that what Kobe did last night... is even more impressive than when Wilt Chamberlain scored 100 points in a single game. I mean think about it, Chamberlain was ahead of his time and the only 7 foot player in the NBA at time and nobody could defend him, it was a man among boys. For Kobe to do what he did, nowadays... is just unbelievable. I mean Shaq scored scored 62 a few years ago, David Robinson scored 71, both over 7 foot centers, Kobe is a guard for God's sake. He also had 62 points a few weeks ago, it's freaking insane. Jordan scored 69 in the playoffs and no doubt in my mind Jordan was twice the teamplayer Kobe was and I think he could've scored 100 points in a game if that was all he cared about, but regardless of what you think of Kobe... 81 points is one of the most impressive and spectacular features that I have ever witnessed.

Roman529
01-23-2006, 04:50 PM
Wow, that's f*cking unbelievable. You can easily make the arguement that what Kobe did last night... is even more impressive than when Wilt Chamberlain scored 100 points in a single game. I mean think about it, Chamberlain was ahead of his time and the only 7 foot player in the NBA at time and nobody could defend him, it was a man among boys. For Kobe to do what he did, nowadays... is just unbelievable. I mean Shaq scored scored 62 a few years ago, David Robinson scored 71, both over 7 foot centers, Kobe is a guard for God's sake. He also had 62 points a few weeks ago, it's freaking insane. Jordan scored 69 in the playoffs and no doubt in my mind Jordan was twice the teamplayer Kobe was and I think he could've scored 100 points in a game if that was all he cared about, but regardless of what you think of Kobe... 81 points is one of the most impressive and spectacular features that I have ever witnessed.

Yeah, but there was not a 3 point field goal when Wilt played, and George Gervin and David Thompson would have easily scored a 100 on the nights they scored 73 points and 64 points respectively, had there been a 3 pointer when they played.

Samphin
01-23-2006, 05:33 PM
Yeah, but there was not a 3 point field goal when Wilt played, and George Gervin and David Thompson would have easily scored a 100 on the nights they scored 73 points and 64 points respectively, had there been a 3 pointer when they played.


Yeah, but Wilt wasn't going to be shooting any three's. Even if you take away the three point shot last night, Kobe still threw up 74 points, which is still impresive.

Do not forget the level of competition that Wilt went against that game too. 6'10" an 6'9" "centers" that were really only tall and nothing else.

Kobe is playing against better athletes and doesn't have the advantage of being 7'2".

I am not sure if I consider Kobe's game better than Wilt's ( I consider Wilt the greatest B-Baller ever ), but it was dang impressive.

Alex44
01-23-2006, 05:39 PM
The difference is very clear: A 40/10 game means you got other people involved to the point where they couldnt double you without likely paying for it. A player who goes for 60/0ast is going to be double teamed all day til he passes the ball. The opposition is going to make someone else beat them and if the guy who scores 60 refuses to pass still his team will likely lose.

Mostly when you have a great game like Kobe did tonight its about efficiency. Tonight Kobe shot lights out (28/46...over 60%) but many times when he has these 40+ pt outbursts he shoot more like 40-42% with a ton of trips to the charity stripe.

I see your point

But in the end its the same # of points on the board, and all that matters is winning whether Kobe scores 81 and has 2 assists, or has 0 points and 40 assists *which will NEVER happen*

backpacker
01-23-2006, 06:26 PM
And this is why despite the fact that I am a Sonics fan I consider this man the best player I have ever seen (oh yes, I do)

Of course you'd say that, he's on your fantasy team! You've got Kobe and Iverson, the two leading scorers, I hate you!

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 06:29 PM
At least AI is in the top 10 in assists, along with his #2 spot in scoring...he is the real MVP, not Kobe.

AI is also the team's point guard, so he ought to be in the top 10 of assists.


Yeah, but there was not a 3 point field goal when Wilt played, and George Gervin and David Thompson would have easily scored a 100 on the nights they scored 73 points and 64 points respectively, had there been a 3 pointer when they played.

Do what? Are you out of your mind? Think about it, a 3 pointer is only worth one more point than a regular basket. 73 points means the most field goals he could have made was 36, so if he hit 36 23 footers then the most points he could have had was 109, which he wasn't even close to doing. Kobe is a pretty good 3 point shooter & he only hit 7 threes last night. Quit hatin.

SMadison29
01-23-2006, 06:31 PM
I am not sure if I consider Kobe's game better than Wilt's ( I consider Wilt the greatest B-Baller ever ), but it was dang impressive.

MJ is the best ever there's not even an argument than can be made against him. Now #2 is up for debate & Wilt had so many advantages back then it wasn't fair, which is why there was a rules change. He was the only 7 footer back then & there was no lane. Imagine if Shaq could just squat down in the paint without the 3 second violation.

Quelonio
01-23-2006, 10:22 PM
Of course you'd say that, he's on your fantasy team! You've got Kobe and Iverson, the two leading scorers, I hate you!

Hehe, I know, I could not believe it, damn I drafted well, not only that but I got Tony Parker, Rip Hamilton, I am damn good. :tongue:

TerryTate
01-23-2006, 11:19 PM
Stop with this being better than Wilt's 100.

1) Wilt was a good jump shooter in his time, he didn't dunk every FG that game like people think.
2) If it was sooo easy for him, how come he never got close to 100 again?
3) Bottom line, regardless of the position Wilt played: A 3 is worth 1 more point than a two, making it easier to get there. Why is it easier? Because it takes less baskets and less time to do it. You take away the 7 extra points that Kobe scored, and it's a 73 point outburst, and people aren't salivating over it as much, and definitely NOT comparing it to Wilt right now.
4) #2 isn't even up for debate. Wilt is #2 AT LEAST if not #1. Until Michael Jordan, nobody dominated the game the way Wilt did.

Career Stats
Honors: Elected to Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame (1978) (Jury still out on Kobe, although he is helping his stock more and more daily)
NBA champion (1967, '72) (I'm still saying it, as far as kobe is concerned....without Shaq, ZERO titles)
NBA Finals MVP (1972)
NBA MVP (1960, '66, '67, '68)
All-NBA First Team (1960, '61, '62, '64, '66, '67, '68)
Second Team ('63, '65, '72)
All-Defensive First Team (1972, '73)
Rookie of Year (1960)
One of the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History (1996).

As you can see, Kobe has a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong way to go.

Oh, and The Big Dipper's career scoring average? 30.9 PPG
Rebound per game? 22.9!!!
Assists Per game? 4.4!!!!

Kobe's career points per game: 23.2
Assists per game: 4.4 :lol: SAME AS WILT, the "center"

I'm not denying that what Kobe did was amazing, but don't say it was better than what Wilt did or that Kobe is coming even CLOSE to what the Big Dipper did in his career.

Kobe
01-24-2006, 12:25 AM
NBA champion (1967, '72) (I'm still saying it, as far as kobe is concerned....without Shaq, ZERO titles)

I hate how people make this statement. How many titles does Shaq have without Kobe?

Im not saying Kobe is as good as Wilt because he isn't, nor was his game as good, but SOME people still give him no credit for what was an AMAZING performance.

Prime Time
01-24-2006, 12:26 AM
Kobe's game is comparable to Wilt's. He was 7 foot. Kobe isn't that tall. Congrats to Kobe. 81 points, simply amazing!

TerryTate
01-24-2006, 02:01 AM
Kobe's game is comparable to Wilt's. He was 7 foot. Kobe isn't that tall. Congrats to Kobe. 81 points, simply amazing!

Tall doesn't necessarily make anything easier...just ask Manute Bol and Gheroge Muresan....there are plenty of tall stiffs in the NBA (like Erik Dampier)

finfansince72
01-24-2006, 02:06 AM
I hate how people make this statement. How many titles does Shaq have without Kobe?

Im not saying Kobe is as good as Wilt because he isn't, nor was his game as good, but SOME people still give him no credit for what was an AMAZING performance.

Shaq made the finals with Orlando, Kobe hasnt even made the playoffs. You take Kobe off that team and put a younger Shaq on it and the team is a top seed in the West. Kobe is a great individual player, but he doesnt have that leadership or the type of game that makes it easier for other players. Kobe is a hard player to play with, Shaq makes the game easier for everyone. Im not an Orlando or Heat fan or Shaq fan either.
Kobe's game was one of the greatest games ever by a player in the NBA no question about it.

Boik14
01-24-2006, 02:09 AM
Considering who has the big mouth and won't stop admiring himself publicly, I would say Shaq had just as much of a problem.When was the last time Shaq chased a teammate out of town? Penny chased himself out. Kobe pushed Shaq out.

Boik14
01-24-2006, 02:10 AM
I see your point

But in the end its the same # of points on the board, and all that matters is winning whether Kobe scores 81 and has 2 assists, or has 0 points and 40 assists *which will NEVER happen* It still means the D only has to cover 1 guy mainly and if they can stop him for those 1 or 2 possessions theyre going to win. Thats why so many announcers place emphasis on a great PG who can distribute like Nash.

Boik14
01-24-2006, 02:12 AM
Kobe new how to feed Shaq the ball too. I mean come on they one 4 Titles together. Just because of there recent feud does not mean they didnt play well together. In fact I would bet all the money I have that D.Wade and Shaq dont get 4 Titles. I agree that Wade is one of the best players I have seen in years but Shaq is just not the same force he used to be. I know they played well together....thats the whole point. Shaq may be older but he wasnt the one who broke up the dynasty and he wasnt the one who needed the whole spotlight. Shaq made a finals without kobe...kobe hasnt even made rd 2 without shaq. Thanks.

Kobe
01-24-2006, 10:59 AM
Shaq made the finals with Orlando, Kobe hasnt even made the playoffs. You take Kobe off that team and put a younger Shaq on it and the team is a top seed in the West. Kobe is a great individual player, but he doesnt have that leadership or the type of game that makes it easier for other players. Kobe is a hard player to play with, Shaq makes the game easier for everyone. Im not an Orlando or Heat fan or Shaq fan either.
Kobe's game was one of the greatest games ever by a player in the NBA no question about it.

Shaq made the Finals in what, his third year with the Magic? Give Kobe more than one year to see if he can or not :rolleyes:

finfansince72
01-24-2006, 06:35 PM
Shaq made the Finals in what, his third year with the Magic? Give Kobe more than one year to see if he can or not :rolleyes:

Yea and that was what Shaq's 3rd year in the league? This is what Kobes 6th? Kobe is an established Vet, hes the 'leader' on this team and takes all the shots its fair to hold him to the same standard already. Id rather have Shaq in his 3rd year than Kobe right now, not even a question about it.

Kobe
01-24-2006, 11:27 PM
Yea and that was what Shaq's 3rd year in the league? This is what Kobes 6th? Kobe is an established Vet, hes the 'leader' on this team and takes all the shots its fair to hold him to the same standard already. Id rather have Shaq in his 3rd year than Kobe right now, not even a question about it.

Thats not what I am saying. Im saying this is only Kobe's second year without Shaq, so give him at least 3 by himself to see if he can make the playoffs/finals or not.