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tmny99
01-24-2006, 02:08 PM
Here are some evaluations (from ESPN Insider) on how the Qbs did in their first Senior Bowl practice. Enjoy.

Cutler
Cutler showed up in very good shape. Looks quick in his drops and shows good mobility. Cutler has very good arm strength and gets necessary RPMs on the deep out route. He shows the ability to fit the ball into tight spots. He also shows adequate touch and timing. He will need to improve his mechanics, especially his footwork as a passer. He is too streaky in terms of his accuracy. Missed a few open receivers that he should have hit during drills today.

Croyle
Unimpressive looking at the weigh-in. Even smaller than expected and does not look the part of a future NFL QB. He shows a strong arm -- not quite as strong as Darrell Hackney but stronger than D.J. Shockley. Has adequate release quickness. Timing was off in practice. Did not show great accuracy and is clearly feeling out his receivers right now. Seemed a bit overwhelmed.

Shockley
Shockley really struggled as a passer today. His timing was off, and he never seemed to settle into a groove. He has the worst arm strength of the three QBs on the South roster (Brodie Croyle and Darrell Hackney). He missed too many open receivers during drills and seemed to get frustrated a bit. He does show quick feet and very good mobility. He has taken off nearly 10 pounds from his playing weight earlier this season. He measured in at under 6-1, which won't help his cause as an NFL prospect at the QB position.

Robinson (PSU)
Robinson played only the quarterback position during practice today, but he did get some pre-practice work as a return specialist. He has taken off some weight but looks in good shape. He is quick and mobile. Is at his best as a passer when rolling out of the pocket and creating on the move. Otherwise, he looks completely in over his head at the QB position. He struggles to see behind his offensive line and seems to be constantly fighting to find passing windows. His mechanics are marginal. His delivery is too long. Shows marginal arm strength and accuracy. He is too late to make throws and he doesn't have the arm to make up for it. He would be better served to spend the rest of this week at wide receiver or running back. He is wasting his time at the QB position.

CitizenSnips
01-24-2006, 02:13 PM
awesome stuff, thanks a lot man.

tmny99
01-24-2006, 02:13 PM
I'm waiting for evaluations on Whitehurst and Hackney.

CitizenSnips
01-24-2006, 02:18 PM
my friends a huge clemson fan, and he speaks very highly of whitehurst. He says "He's not the greatest Qb as far as skills and mechanics, but hes a gamer for sure"

PhinsPhan
01-24-2006, 02:19 PM
thanks man

greatwade
01-24-2006, 02:21 PM
my friends a huge clemson fan, and he speaks very highly of whitehurst. He says "He's not the greatest Qb as far as skills and mechanics, but hes a gamer for sure"

Love your avatar. Huge Douglas Adams fan.

It seems there are quite a few decent qbs coming out this year. Something tells me we don't pick one on day 1.

tmny99
01-24-2006, 02:22 PM
my friends a huge clemson fan, and he speaks very highly of whitehurst. He says "He's not the greatest Qb as far as skills and mechanics, but hes a gamer for sure"

My pleasure. One of my classmates is a huge clemson fan too he says he has all the tools to be a good QB just needs to make better decisions.

finfan54
01-24-2006, 02:23 PM
let the overreaction begin!

Motion
01-24-2006, 02:26 PM
let the overreaction begin!

And the ignorance.

dolphan117
01-24-2006, 02:29 PM
let the overreaction begin!

Maby we could trade Saban to move up in the draft and get him!!! ;)

Thanks for posting the report tmny99. It will be intresting to see who rises and falls.

dominizzo
01-24-2006, 02:30 PM
Looks like Cutler could be the best QB in the draft perhaps even better than Leinart

Motion
01-24-2006, 02:32 PM
Looks like Cutler could be the best QB in the draft perhaps even better than Leinart

Hence the reason Leinart was too afraid to attend the Senior Bowl :lol:

dolphan117
01-24-2006, 02:33 PM
Looks like Cutler could be the best QB in the draft perhaps even better than Leinart

He might have more upside as far as physical ability but he is much more of a project than Matt.

tmny99
01-24-2006, 02:38 PM
He might have more upside as far as physical ability but he is much more of a project than Matt.

Leinart should make the smoothest transition to the next level than any other Qb coming out based on the simple fact that he had the opportunity to get tutored by Norm Chow and he they ran a pro style offense where he was able to call his own audibles.

dolphan117
01-24-2006, 02:44 PM
Leinart should make the smoothest transition to the next level than any other Qb coming out based on the simple fact that he had the opportunity to get tutored by Norm Chow and he they ran a pro style offense where he was able to call his own audibles.

I agree. He is by far the most NFL ready qb of the top 3, the question is going to be what people think his upside is.

NawlinsBucFan
01-24-2006, 02:48 PM
Shockley
Shockley really struggled as a passer today. His timing was off, and he never seemed to settle into a groove. He has the worst arm strength of the three QBs on the South roster (Brodie Croyle and Darrell Hackney). He missed too many open receivers during drills and seemed to get frustrated a bit. He does show quick feet and very good mobility. He has taken off nearly 10 pounds from his playing weight earlier this season. He measured in at under 6-1, which won't help his cause as an NFL prospect at the QB position.

That pretty much shoots my "Fins should draft O-Line early and grab Shockley in a later round" theory right in the face. Back to the drawing board.:D

Motion
01-24-2006, 02:49 PM
That pretty much shoots my "Fins should draft O-Line early and grab Shockley in a later round" theory right in the face. Back to the drawing board.:D

Told ya ;)

Fran2fin
01-24-2006, 02:49 PM
Here are some evaluations (from ESPN Insider) on how the Qbs did in their first Senior Bowl practice. Enjoy.

Cutler
Cutler showed up in very good shape. Looks quick in his drops and shows good mobility. Cutler has very good arm strength and gets necessary RPMs on the deep out route. He shows the ability to fit the ball into tight spots. He also shows adequate touch and timing. He will need to improve his mechanics, especially his footwork as a passer. He is too streaky in terms of his accuracy. Missed a few open receivers that he should have hit during drills today.

Croyle
Unimpressive looking at the weigh-in. Even smaller than expected and does not look the part of a future NFL QB. He shows a strong arm -- not quite as strong as Darrell Hackney but stronger than D.J. Shockley. Has adequate release quickness. Timing was off in practice. Did not show great accuracy and is clearly feeling out his receivers right now. Seemed a bit overwhelmed.

Shockley
Shockley really struggled as a passer today. His timing was off, and he never seemed to settle into a groove. He has the worst arm strength of the three QBs on the South roster (Brodie Croyle and Darrell Hackney). He missed too many open receivers during drills and seemed to get frustrated a bit. He does show quick feet and very good mobility. He has taken off nearly 10 pounds from his playing weight earlier this season. He measured in at under 6-1, which won't help his cause as an NFL prospect at the QB position.

Robinson (PSU)
Robinson played only the quarterback position during practice today, but he did get some pre-practice work as a return specialist. He has taken off some weight but looks in good shape. He is quick and mobile. Is at his best as a passer when rolling out of the pocket and creating on the move. Otherwise, he looks completely in over his head at the QB position. He struggles to see behind his offensive line and seems to be constantly fighting to find passing windows. His mechanics are marginal. His delivery is too long. Shows marginal arm strength and accuracy. He is too late to make throws and he doesn't have the arm to make up for it. He would be better served to spend the rest of this week at wide receiver or running back. He is wasting his time at the QB position.

Any idea when it will be played, what time - what day.....It's this weekend I believe but haven't seen nything in the paper about time, date...thanks

Motion
01-24-2006, 02:51 PM
Any idea when it will be played, what time - what day.....It's this weekend I believe but haven't seen nything in the paper about time, date...thanks

Saturday at 3pm EST

http://www.seniorbowl.com/2006/

TheAnswer385
01-24-2006, 02:54 PM
thanks man- good stuff kinda not really for us Robinson fans

OneHondo
01-24-2006, 02:56 PM
He might have more upside as far as physical ability but he is much more of a project than Matt.

I don't know if I would agree with that opinion considering where they came from and what they have experienced.
Take Matt Leinart and put him on a struggling pro team with a weak offensive line and he may have a new experience and struggle himself, and that is not to say he may not be a good QB in the pros. Matt has been fortunate in his college career to come from a team with good, big offensive lines and plenty of offensive weapons to use and take pressure off himself.
On the other hand take Cutler and put him on the same weak pro team and with the same offensive line and he has already been there and done that and can probably better cope with it and that is not to say he is a sure bet to be a good quarterback in the pros :confused2

tmny99
01-24-2006, 02:59 PM
thanks man- good stuff kinda not really for us Robinson fans

Yeah I hear ya. I'm pulling for Shockley, but it's not looking good.

trate121hb
01-24-2006, 02:59 PM
Good Stuff Man!!!! Cutler Is Our Man

dolfan72734me
01-24-2006, 03:06 PM
Looks like Cutler could be the best QB in the draft perhaps even better than Leinart
Yeah, but don't say Cutler could be drafted before him. Heavens no. I was crazy for saying that before. :rolleyes:

dolfan72734me
01-24-2006, 03:09 PM
Anyone here going to attend the Senior Bowl?

nick1
01-24-2006, 03:12 PM
you can follow the whole Senior Bowl and work outs from here

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/seniorbowl/seniorbowl.html


The Dolphins had a prominent presence with both GM Randy Mueller and head coach Nick Saban in attendance.

datruth55
01-24-2006, 03:22 PM
you can follow the whole Senior Bowl and work outs from here

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/seniorbowl/seniorbowl.html

I was going to post this. They do make mention of Charlie Whitehurst there. Someone in this thread was interested in that.



Charlie Whitehurst of Clemson looks the part and showed flashes

mbsinmisc
01-24-2006, 09:44 PM
Here are some QB heights per GBN

Cutler 6-2.7

croyle 6-2.2

whitehurst 6-4+

BigScuingili
01-24-2006, 11:35 PM
Was Gradkowski not asked to be in the Senior Bowl?

Danny1339
01-25-2006, 12:05 AM
More ESPN Insider stuff
Tuesday (1/24/06): Cutler is clearly the class of quarterbacks at this week's Senior Bowl and had a very solid day on Tuesday. Although it was rather windy, his passes cut the wind with enough velocity to be effective in any NFL system. His mechanics still need some polish, but he shows mobility, confidence and the ability to get the ball to the North receivers accurately and abruptly. In an All-Star format this like one, quarterbacks often struggle early in the week with their timing and rhythm, but Cutler has come out of the gate strong and should continue to separate himself throughout this week in Mobile.

Tuesday (1/24/06): None of the three quarterbacks from the South seemed comfortable on Tuesday, but Croyle certainly had the best showing of the three. Croyle missed some open receivers, especially during the team period, but for the most part he threw a catchable and accurate ball. Although still feeling out his receivers and the scene in general, he improved on Tuesday and threw the football with a smoother delivery. Croyle does not have a big impressive body and although he shows enough arm strength to succeed in the NFL, he will not muscle the ball into tight spots or drive it deep down the field

saves
01-25-2006, 12:46 AM
Was Gradkowski not asked to be in the Senior Bowl?
Nope he was in one of the other games. Theres a thread somewhere talking about how he looked.

Danny1339
01-25-2006, 11:02 PM
More ESPN Insider stuff
Tuesday (1/24/06): Cutler is clearly the class of quarterbacks at this week's Senior Bowl and had a very solid day on Tuesday. Although it was rather windy, his passes cut the wind with enough velocity to be effective in any NFL system. His mechanics still need some polish, but he shows mobility, confidence and the ability to get the ball to the North receivers accurately and abruptly. In an All-Star format this like one, quarterbacks often struggle early in the week with their timing and rhythm, but Cutler has come out of the gate strong and should continue to separate himself throughout this week in Mobile.

Tuesday (1/24/06): None of the three quarterbacks from the South seemed comfortable on Tuesday, but Croyle certainly had the best showing of the three. Croyle missed some open receivers, especially during the team period, but for the most part he threw a catchable and accurate ball. Although still feeling out his receivers and the scene in general, he improved on Tuesday and threw the football with a smoother delivery. Croyle does not have a big impressive body and although he shows enough arm strength to succeed in the NFL, he will not muscle the ball into tight spots or drive it deep down the field


Latest update

Wednesday (1/25/06): Although he wasn't spectacular, Cutler once again showed consistency, accuracy and a soft touch as a passer on Wednesday and has assured himself as being the top quarterback drafted from the Senior Bowl. He is a plus athlete and throws with plenty of RPM's. One recurring issue that is worth noting about Cutler over the last two practices is that his balls often sink with the nose of the ball harshly facing down. This could be due to him overthrowing the football while trying to impress coaches and scouts.

Wednesday (1/25/06): Croyle improved upon his performance from yesterday and is the top quarterback prospect on the South roster. He showed athleticism and poise rolling out in either direction and threw the ball with velocity. Croyle is decisive and he dropped a few nice passes in tight windows during this practice. One area of his game that needs to change is where he holds the football when in the pocket, as he keeps it very low which makes him prone for a turnover and elongates his delivery. Croyle was clearly more comfortable on Wednesday.

Blade2000
01-25-2006, 11:05 PM
I'm rooting for Shockley as well, you gotta think though, he may be struggling because the coaching staff may be trying to teach him something totally different in this SHORT amount of time, while in the NFL you learn something different, but you have Training Camp, Pre-season, and Practice's.

Danny1339
01-25-2006, 11:09 PM
from espn insider

Tuesday (1/24/06): Shockley's quick feet and athletic ability were apparent to everyone in attendance on Tuesday, but he really struggled to get into any sort of rhythm all afternoon -- much like the other quarterbacks from the South. His arm strength looked marginal, his accuracy was very ordinary at best and his throws sailed. Several drops from his receivers during seven on seven did not help Shockley's confidence for the day. But overall, he did little to distinguish himself. Shockley must rebound tomorrow to gain momentum in the eyes of NFL scouting departments.

Wednesday (1/25/06): Shockley had another rough practice on Wednesday and simply struggled throwing the football accurately. Much like yesterday, Shockley was erratic, spraying the football with little precision. Shockley's athletic ability mixed with his high character and work ethic still makes him intriguing, but he is proving to be no better than a late round project that will have an awful lot of work to do in order to see the field in the NFL. Saturday's game may help his cause, but damage has been done this week without question

Gunner
01-25-2006, 11:32 PM
Anyone here going to attend the Senior Bowl?

I've spent the last two days there observing practices, here is my take on the 6 Qbs by rank:

Cutler - Great arm, can really zip when needed and can make the touch throws. Struggles a bit with slants & square in patterns, superb with the outs and hooks. In full scrimage, showed ability to check down ... still has a tendancy to throw off his back foot ala Bledsoe when the rush is in his face. That aspect is going to have to be coached out of him.

Coyle - Solid arm, good at checking down. Can get indecisive at times and will hold the ball too long. When he makes quick reads, he more often than not can deliver the ball where it needs to be. Timing was alot better on Wednesday.

Whitehurst - Really struggling on getting the ball out on time, ball tends to flutter and he cant fire it into tight spots when needed. Tries to lay that ball into WRs instead of zipping it in there which allows the defense time to recover. Probably a 4th round pick at best.

Shockley - Very elongated delivery. Not good at delivering the ball on time and tends to lock onto receivers. Does show occasional ability to check down and is accurate on short passes.

Hackney - Has the big arm, but lacks the accuracy and consistancy. Meassured in at 5'11 ... mid to late round pick at best.

Robinson - Really really struggling out there at everything he is trying. Passes are erratic at best and has a bad case of the dropsies when lined up at WR. Right now, unless someone looks at him as a return specialist and developemental guy, he could go undrafted with what I have seen.