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Dors156
01-25-2006, 05:44 PM
Suprises
Tye Hill-i saw a really good performance all week from him.i thoguth his size would kill him only being 5'9 but he still dominated.mayock had him as an early second rounder i have him now at a late first rounder.

Charlie Whitehurst-I watched him in some games this year liked him but in the practices he made good throws.he has good footwork and mechanics.

Brodie Croyle-hes moving up to a mid second rounder as of now definatly.i denied him being good because i saw that bama and auburn game.but if ou give him play makers he can get the job done.

sinorice moss-i saw that he can be effective when he goes across the middle.he can out run corners and make big time catches at his size.

D'Brick-havnt seen much of him all season but he showed greatness this week.

NEED TO SEE MORE

Jay cutler-he was great but norm chow is working with him on his crazy foot work.thats the only negative to him.great arm almost perfect.

Eric winston-was inconsistent all week long.he would make a great play then next play just get burnt.he was supposed to be a first round pick now hes a second rounder.

Gabe Watson-i liked what he did this week but as ive seen and heard he lacks consistency and doesnt go all out on all plays.


Your thoughts?

Nappy Roots
01-25-2006, 05:50 PM
i think your putting to much emphasis on these practices

PressCoverage
01-25-2006, 07:34 PM
i only watched the show today... and here is who Kiper & Co. commented on that i caught:

Impressive week of practice:

Tie Hill, Clem. CB has "solidified himself as a first-rounder"
Tamba Hill, DE, PSU
Kelly Jennings, CB, Miami
Mercedes Lewis, TE
Lawrence Vickers, FB, Colo.
Brady Croyle, QB, Alabama ... "has vaulted from being a 4-5 to a second-rounder"
Manny Lawson, LB, NC State... dominated at times, compared to DeMarcus Ware...

Disappointed, or "needs to step it up":

Kiwanuka, BC, def. end.
DJ Shockley, QB, Ga.
Darrell Hackney, QB, UAB... "just not accurate"

i kinda fell asleep and didn't catch the second half of the show... but those were some names i remember as having good/bad weeks...

phinfan_1
01-25-2006, 09:00 PM
I've been watching it to and Tye Hill's cover ability is awesome. I've never seen a corner move as fast as him in my life. He could start on the Dolphins right now. Just on his pure cover skills. And he hasn't even played corner that long.

PublixSubsRule
01-25-2006, 10:51 PM
man i was watching gabe watson he impressed me a lot but that inconsitency is a major flaw that my make saban pass on his in the second round if he is there. d'brickshaw ferguson has just been dominating out there i learned he is a black belt in karate which is very good for his feet work which he was excellent in, i just wish we had a shot at him. mathias kiw....from bc has been a major dissapointment for me he was falling a lot and d'brick was just man-handleing him. also the cb from clemson has looked great so have the linebackers.

Dol-Fan Dupree
01-25-2006, 10:58 PM
i think your putting to much emphasis on these practices

tell that to phillip rivers and many of the other players that shot up the draft due to these practices.

Motion
01-25-2006, 11:19 PM
i think your putting to much emphasis on these practices

Or not enough. These first 3 days of practice are HUGE for these players.

PressCoverage
01-26-2006, 12:26 AM
man i was watching gabe watson he impressed me a lot but that inconsitency is a major flaw that my make saban pass on his in the second round if he is there. d'brickshaw ferguson has just been dominating out there i learned he is a black belt in karate which is very good for his feet work which he was excellent in, i just wish we had a shot at him. mathias kiw....from bc has been a major dissapointment for me he was falling a lot and d'brick was just man-handleing him. also the cb from clemson has looked great so have the linebackers.

they also commented that Ferguson, while a terrific athlete, has not put on the weight they expected and needs to get meaner and bulkier... His run-blocking hasn't been great... And one guy said they don't see him as a "Top 5" player...

SMadison29
01-26-2006, 12:44 AM
Disappointed, or "needs to step it up":

Kiwanuka, BC, def. end.
DJ Shockley, QB, Ga.
Darrell Hackney, QB, UAB... "just not accurate"

I'm not disappointed in Shockley or Hackney because I didn't think very highly of either, & didn't think Shockley would be drafted. Disappointed in the lack of pass rush by Kiwanuka. Extremely disappointed in the hands of Derek Hagan, thought to be the best senior WR, not anymore.

Coral Reefer
01-26-2006, 12:46 AM
i only watched the show today... and here is who Kiper & Co. commented on that i caught:

Impressive week of practice:

Tie Hill, Clem. CB has "solidified himself as a first-rounder"
Tamba Hill, DE, PSU
Kelly Jennings, CB, Miami
Mercedes Lewis, TE
Lawrence Vickers, FB, Colo.
Brady Croyle, QB, Alabama ... "has vaulted from being a 4-5 to a second-rounder"
Manny Lawson, LB, NC State... dominated at times, compared to DeMarcus Ware...

Disappointed, or "needs to step it up":

Kiwanuka, BC, def. end.
DJ Shockley, QB, Ga.
Darrell Hackney, QB, UAB... "just not accurate"

i kinda fell asleep and didn't catch the second half of the show... but those were some names i remember as having good/bad weeks...

No shock on the report on D. Hackney.
How anyone was excited about us drafting this guy amazes me.

Nappy Roots
01-26-2006, 12:47 AM
No shock on the report on D. Hackney.
How anyone was excited about us drafting this guy amazes me.


what games did you watch him in?

Nappy Roots
01-26-2006, 12:51 AM
Or not enough. These first 3 days of practice are HUGE for these players.


so your saying you should pretty much throw everything in their careers out the window and judge by this game? thats basically what alot of people on this board is doing. If a guy is unimpressive in a couple practices, people are ready to drop him rounds.

if leinart was in this game and had a few unimpressive practices, alot of people on this board would say they didnt want him. its definitly huge in some ways, but not as some people are making it out to be.

SMadison29
01-26-2006, 02:14 AM
so your saying you should pretty much throw everything in their careers out the window and judge by this game? thats basically what alot of people on this board is doing. If a guy is unimpressive in a couple practices, people are ready to drop him rounds.

That's what happens at these practices. They are so very important. They could raise you a round or two, or drop you just the same. Now is when you're facing the best of the best.

Danny
01-26-2006, 02:36 AM
Is funny but of all the guys I've been watching al week the one that seems to always been doing a great job is Nick Mangold, the center from Ohio ST.....Nobody has gotten pass him in the one on one drills....this guys is now the top rated center on the board...he's a leader and plays with the mean streak that you'd want your center to play with.I know that we could use a LT but we could draft this guy in the 2nd round and move Hadnot back to guard where he played good, other than his fault starts.Anyway,Mangold looks impresive out there and I'm sure that Nick is taking notice.Anyone else notice him too?

Ozzy rules!!

SMadison29
01-26-2006, 03:17 AM
Is funny but of all the guys I've been watching al week the one that seems to always been doing a great job is Nick Mangold, the center from Ohio ST.....Nobody has gotten pass him in the one on one drills....this guys is now the top rated center on the board...he's a leader and plays with the mean streak that you'd want your center to play with.

Gabe Watson did get by him once today, but it happens.


.I know that we could use a LT but we could draft this guy in the 2nd round and move Hadnot back to guard where he played good, other than his fault starts.Anyway,Mangold looks impresive out there and I'm sure that Nick is taking notice.Anyone else notice him too?

We could certainly use a center too. He would probably solve our interior line problems & hopefully Hadnot will become more disciplined.

Motion
01-26-2006, 07:27 AM
so your saying you should pretty much throw everything in their careers out the window and judge by this game? thats basically what alot of people on this board is doing. If a guy is unimpressive in a couple practices, people are ready to drop him rounds.

if leinart was in this game and had a few unimpressive practices, alot of people on this board would say they didnt want him. its definitly huge in some ways, but not as some people are making it out to be.

Don't put words in my mouth. I simply said these practices are huge for these players which is a straight up fact. Of course you can't through out what they've done in their careers, its ridiculous to even suggest that. If you don't think these practices can greatly improve or hurt draft stock for these guys your fooling yourself.

Nappy Roots
01-26-2006, 12:04 PM
Don't put words in my mouth. I simply said these practices are huge for these players which is a straight up fact. Of course you can't through out what they've done in their careers, its ridiculous to even suggest that. If you don't think these practices can greatly improve or hurt draft stock for these guys your fooling yourself.




thats basically what alot of people on this board is doing


i missed the part where i put words into your mouth.

Motion
01-26-2006, 12:08 PM
I said this....

Or not enough. These first 3 days of practice are HUGE for these players.


And you translated that to this.......?

so your saying you should pretty much throw everything in their careers out the window and judge by this game? thats basically what alot of people on this board is doing. If a guy is unimpressive in a couple practices, people are ready to drop him rounds.

if leinart was in this game and had a few unimpressive practices, alot of people on this board would say they didnt want him. its definitly huge in some ways, but not as some people are making it out to be.

Thats putting words in my mouth.

Nappy Roots
01-26-2006, 04:04 PM
I said this....



And you translated that to this.......?


Thats putting words in my mouth.


again, no its not. maybe you dont understand the meaning of putting words in ones mouth. that means i said YOU said something, and i never said YOU said anything.

some people wanna disregard players because of bad practices, pretty much disregarding players careers.

your making this all about you, when its not.

arsenal
01-26-2006, 04:14 PM
i think the practices are more important in raising a guys stock, but really wont drop them much...

kiwanuka hasnt looked too good out there this week, but i really doubt that his performance will drop him to the 2nd round, not with the body of work hes put together his entire college career...

so i think a guy like tye hill who is tearing it up and showing how good he can be against top competition and showing how technically sound he is will raise his stock even more than it was before... but guys underachieving i dont think will drop multiple rounds or anything because you cant ignore a careers worth of actual game film...

Motion
01-26-2006, 05:08 PM
again, no its not. maybe you dont understand the meaning of putting words in ones mouth. that means i said YOU said something, and i never said YOU said anything.

some people wanna disregard players because of bad practices, pretty much disregarding players careers.

your making this all about you, when its not.

WTF are you talking about? I'm not making anything about me. You questioned the importance of these practices, I disagreed and said they were very important. You then suggested just by me saying that they were important that we should disregard all these players entire careers, which absolutely ridiculous. You put words in my mouth, period. Maybe you should check your definition. Fact is, NFL personel get to see these guys go head to head with the best in the country and that tells them alot, but game play situations are obviously very important as well.

Nappy Roots
01-26-2006, 05:43 PM
WTF are you talking about? I'm not making anything about me. You questioned the importance of these practices, I disagreed and said they were very important. You then suggested just by me saying that they were important that we should disregard all these players entire careers, which absolutely ridiculous. You put words in my mouth, period. Maybe you should check your definition. Fact is, NFL personel get to see these guys go head to head with the best in the country and that tells them alot, but game play situations are obviously very important as well.

see now you are the one who is putting words into my mouth. where did i question the importance? i stated he was overrating the practices, but i never said they werent important.

Motion
01-26-2006, 05:50 PM
see now you are the one who is putting words into my mouth. where did i question the importance? i stated he was overrating the practices, but i never said they werent important.


i think your putting to much emphasis on these practices

Nice double standard. By your definition of "putting words in my mouth", you just totally contradicted yourself. And I didn't say that you said they "weren't" important.

Nappy Roots
01-26-2006, 08:40 PM
Nice double standard. By your definition of "putting words in my mouth", you just totally contradicted yourself. And I didn't say that you said they "weren't" important.


are you serious? i said he, himself was putting to much into the practice, where again did i question the importance of the practice. this is what i was talkin about turning this thread about you, i was talking to a specific, you made it general.

jlfin
01-26-2006, 08:59 PM
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BigDogsHunt
01-26-2006, 09:00 PM
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Motion
01-26-2006, 11:04 PM
are you serious? i said he, himself was putting to much into the practice, where again did i question the importance of the practice. this is what i was talkin about turning this thread about you, i was talking to a specific, you made it general.

Whatever you say cheif.


So lets get back on topic..........

Kiper was on Sportscenter tonight saying Brick, Cutler, DeAngelo, Croyle, and Tye Hill all greatly helped/solidified their draft status this week.

While Hagan, Kiwanuka, Williams, and Phillips hurt their stock.

PhinSoldia
01-26-2006, 11:52 PM
With Kiwanuka's injury this week he might slip down to the 2nd or third round and god if he slips to the third we might have a chance at him

Nappy Roots
01-27-2006, 01:03 AM
With Kiwanuka's injury this week he might slip down to the 2nd or third round and god if he slips to the third we might have a chance at him


damn what did he do tear his knee apart?