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capecoralfinfan
01-26-2006, 02:03 PM
some, not all, are neglecting to remember that when all of these lower round projects keep moving up...guys like d'brickshaw ferguson and many other previously hyped guys will be moving down. i'm sure we'll have a shot at a complete stud at 16 no matter what. worse case senerio we take BPA and grab a vet qb for next year. too bad brady quinn didn't declare.

fitskin
01-26-2006, 02:08 PM
That's a great point. I hope that if Cutler isn't there at 16, Huff is.

In_Flames
01-26-2006, 02:10 PM
agree with you guys, If Cutler doesn't drop to us, hopefully Huff will...draft him in the 1st and possibly a QB like Croyle or Jacobs in the 2nd/3rd..

capecoralfinfan
01-26-2006, 02:16 PM
agree with you guys, If Cutler doesn't drop to us, hopefully Huff will...draft him in the 1st and possibly a QB like Croyle or Jacobs in the 2nd/3rd..


i wouldn't be so sure about that. jacobs may be a late first rounder and croyle's stock is soaring because of the cutler's exponential gain in the boards.

zach13
01-26-2006, 02:28 PM
Exactly right, and a great point. Let someone else reach on a QB and we will take a stud at another position

lotion
01-26-2006, 02:32 PM
I agree. I want our 1st rounder to start the opener and be a playmaker from day 1, and that 1st rounder will be on defense. Our D is old and needs to get younger, period. Let some idiots hop on the big 3 QBs, they won't be contributing for 2 years.
We are ready for the next step now, Huff would be a great pickup or Greenway.
We will take a qb on day one, just not round 1.

capecoralfinfan
01-26-2006, 02:42 PM
I agree. I want our 1st rounder to start the opener and be a playmaker from day 1, and that 1st rounder will be on defense. Our D is old and needs to get younger, period. Let some idiots hop on the big 3 QBs, they won't be contributing for 2 years.
We are ready for the next step now, Huff would be a great pickup or Greenway.
We will take a qb on day one, just not round 1.


my prediction is croyle and jacobs go in mid/late first or early/mid second. that would probably mean the big 5 qbs.

BrazForPhins
01-26-2006, 02:46 PM
I'd be happy with Cutler, though I'd be even more pumped to get a guy like Greenway or Huff in the 1st and a QB in the 2nd..

SoDakDolfan
01-26-2006, 02:51 PM
I have no doubt Saban will not get caught up in the hype or reach for a player because of need. He will take a stud at #16 that will help our team for years.

krazikarl
01-26-2006, 02:53 PM
good news on the jay cutler front:

apparently, he is, on occasion, surly (a gun of an arm, surly demeanor, in dolphin uniform, remind you of anyone...) so teams might be passing on him (they're probably scared of the ryan leaf effect).

in all honesty, it sounds like a bs excuse to pass on a guy imo, i'm guessing saban actually had his secret agent assisstants that no one knows about talking up the whole surly thing so jake could slip to us.

also agree with everyone else, we need a lot of help at db, need an ol, and need to get another starting lb and some more young dts so BPA is not a bad thing.

Tigers2003
01-26-2006, 02:53 PM
some, not all, are neglecting to remember that when all of these lower round projects keep moving up...guys like d'brickshaw ferguson and many other previously hyped guys will be moving down. i'm sure we'll have a shot at a complete stud at 16 no matter what. worse case senerio we take BPA and grab a vet qb for next year. too bad brady quinn didn't declare.

Very unlikely it would happen but if D'brick could be had ... what a coup! On another note as far as Cutler a lot of stuff being mentioned here about him. The dude just don't impress IMHO. Yeah he was not surrounded by a lot of talent but the scouting reports knocks his decision making in the pocket and his lack of touch on the ball. Big arm no doubt but does he have the other ingredients necessary to be successful at the next level?

BlueFin
01-26-2006, 03:01 PM
Obviously I am one of Cutlers biggest and longest supporters here, I do think this kid will be special, but I also don't think Saban will overspend to get him.

It appears the entire country now realizes how good the kid is, so we are really out of the equation now as much as it pains me to say it.

I'm not as excited about Brodie Croyle as some of you, he has a really bad injury history, his build is really slight, and he isn't very mobile. Those three things add up to a QB that will probably be on the injury report a lot. He reminds me of Rob Johnson if anybody remembers him?

I think if we miss out on the big three, I'd rather use all the first day picks on other positions and look for a QB project in day 2.

Canadi-Phin
01-26-2006, 03:19 PM
I could see us going for Whtiehurst in the 3rd or 4th depending on where he settles in at. Croyle may drop as well cause of his injury history. Just look at Crowder. But if the top 3 Qbs are gone that pushes a guy who shouldn't be there to us. Even a player like Ty Hill who has really helped his stock this week could push into the top 15 and help us land a player that really should of gone 2-4 picks ahead of him. There is a chance of use getting some really talented players.
1.Bush
2.Leinart
3.Young
4.Cutler
5.Hawk
6.Ngata
7.Huff
8.Williams
9.Ferguson
10.Kiwanuka
11. Mario Williams
12.Ty Hill
13.Jon Scott
14.Greenway
15.DeAngelo Williams

This leaves tons of talent for us. That list is not in any order but all have the ability to be gone before we pick. This still leaves guys like Lawson, Carpenter, Winston, Justice, Macneil, Maroney, White, Chad Jackson, Gabe Watson, Santonio Holmes who all are able to go in the top 15. Lots of talent where we are picking and players that we could use.

Schleprock
01-26-2006, 03:21 PM
Why are some of you insistent on talking about Croyle and Jacobs as 1st rounders? LOL Both would be lucky to be 3rds at this point. Last I read, Croyle looked unimpressive at Senior Bowl practices.

BigDogsHunt
01-26-2006, 03:24 PM
some, not all, are neglecting to remember that when all of these lower round projects keep moving up...guys like d'brickshaw ferguson and many other previously hyped guys will be moving down. i'm sure we'll have a shot at a complete stud at 16 no matter what. worse case senerio we take BPA and grab a vet qb for next year. too bad brady quinn didn't declare.

1 or 2 others would fall, but DF is not going beyond #4. Heck, if Houston had stones they should take him #1 overall.

Schleprock
01-26-2006, 03:35 PM
1 or 2 others would fall, but DF is not going beyond #4. Heck, if Houston had stones they should take him #1 overall.
Stones? No, if they were idiots and wanted to tick their fans off even more they would take him. You dont' pass up Bush, Young, or Leinart for a left tackle. LT's don't sell jersey's or tickets or make immediate impacts.

BigDogsHunt
01-26-2006, 03:39 PM
Stones? No, if they were idiots and wanted to tick their fans off even more they would take him. You dont' pass up Bush, Young, or Leinart for a left tackle. LT's don't sell jersey's or tickets or make immediate impacts.

Listen, do I think Bush, Young or Leinart are talented. Sure.

Will having them sell jersey's or tickets? temporarily.

But you have Carr (if you like him as a QB), you have D. Davis (if you like him as a rb)....what you dont have is a Line. Since you cant get H. Houck :D , the next best thing is the bring hi-rated talent to a position of need.

Winning will sell more jerseys, sell more tickets with chipmonks at every position on the field, then Bush, or Young, or Lienart with a L on the scoreboard for 11 or 16 games.

They need help beyond what Reggie, Vince, or Matt can do over what David Carr and Dominick Davis can do for them.

Get Oline help....thats all I am saying.

LarryFinFan
01-26-2006, 03:41 PM
some, not all, are neglecting to remember that when all of these lower round projects keep moving up...guys like d'brickshaw ferguson and many other previously hyped guys will be moving down. i'm sure we'll have a shot at a complete stud at 16 no matter what. worse case senerio we take BPA and grab a vet qb for next year. too bad brady quinn didn't declare.


Well hoping for Quinn next year is like hoping for Young to fall to us this year...ain't gonna happen...however, even if things stay status quo and don't change between now and the draft, we'll still get a decent pick. Someone that we need will fall to us...We can use an QB, OL, CB, S, LB so whomever we get will be a good choice for us...

djfresh47
01-26-2006, 03:44 PM
Listen, do I think Bush, Young or Leinart are talented. Sure.

Will having them sell jersey's or tickets? temporarily.

But you have Carr (if you like him as a QB), you have D. Davis (if you like him as a rb)....what you dont have is a Line. Since you cant get H. Houck :D , the next best thing is the bring hi-rated talent to a position of need.

Winning will sell more jerseys, sell more tickets with chipmonks at every position on the field, then Bush, or Young, or Lienart with a L on the scoreboard for 11 or 16 games.

They need help beyond what Reggie, Vince, or Matt can do over what David Carr and Dominick Davis can do for them.

Get Oline help....thats all I am saying.

I don't think you pass on Reggie Bush in order to get a Left tackle, to me that would be like San Antonio passing on Duncan because they already had Robinson. He's just too good, and Ferguson would help, but Houston probably would be labeled "the team that passed on Reggie Bush," not the team that took Ferguson. Bush brings excitement and will create a buzz for that franchise, and they still will have a chance to take a pretty decent LT in the 2nd rd.

PassRush
01-26-2006, 03:47 PM
I am hoping that Ngata drops to us. He is a player that can set the new standard for versatility on the defensive line. JT, Ngata, Kevin Carter and Matt Roth. If Roth lives up to his potential that is just plain SCARY

DorsalPhin
01-26-2006, 04:46 PM
I'm also thinking D with first pick now. Ngata, Watson, Huff, Williams ...any of those guys could be there at 16 the way things are looking lately. IMO, they prolly will not take a LB with the first though and there are a number of reasons for that.

BamaPhinFan
01-26-2006, 05:02 PM
Why are some of you insistent on talking about Croyle and Jacobs as 1st rounders? LOL Both would be lucky to be 3rds at this point. Last I read, Croyle looked unimpressive at Senior Bowl practices.

Actually Mel Kiper reported on ESPN.com today that Croyle had been very impressive and "threw the ball like a first-rounder and really helped himself." I think a first at this point is a stretch based on past injury concerns, but I wouldn't be suprised to see him go in the 2nd.

Caps
01-26-2006, 05:12 PM
Croyle has probably raised his stock up to around the top of the 2nd round, but I think his stock will cool off once the Combine roll around, where his lack of athletic ability will be highlighted. I think he's a high 3rd rounder come draft day.

Caps
01-26-2006, 05:14 PM
Stones? No, if they were idiots and wanted to tick their fans off even more they would take him. You dont' pass up Bush, Young, or Leinart for a left tackle. LT's don't sell jersey's or tickets or make immediate impacts.

But Young or Leinart would?

Motion
01-26-2006, 05:16 PM
Croyle has probably raised his stock up to around the top of the 2nd round, but I think his stock will cool off once the Combine roll around, where his lack of athletic ability will be highlighted. I think he's a high 3rd rounder come draft day.

I agree, his frame has to be a concern. He needs to gain a solid 20 lbs.

Jaj
01-26-2006, 05:18 PM
I agree, his frame has to be a concern. He needs to gain a solid 20 lbs.

Numerous QBs make due at the 210ish range so he needs more like 10 atleast not quite 20.

PassRush
01-26-2006, 05:21 PM
I would kill to get Croyle in the third

Motion
01-26-2006, 05:23 PM
Numerous QBs make due at the 210ish range so he needs more like 10 atleast not quite 20.

Little extra padding couldn't hurt. :D

In_Flames
01-26-2006, 05:30 PM
I would kill to get Croyle in the third
agreed...seriously doubt he'd fall that far however...

cowtowndick
01-27-2006, 11:54 AM
I agree. I want our 1st rounder to start the opener and be a playmaker from day 1, and that 1st rounder will be on defense. Our D is old and needs to get younger, period. Let some idiots hop on the big 3 QBs, they won't be contributing for 2 years.
We are ready for the next step now, Huff would be a great pickup or Greenway.
We will take a qb on day one, just not round 1.

i'm curious - so if you're an idiot to jump on one of the big 3 qb's, because they won't contribute for two years, a) how long will it take a qb drafted in the later rounds to contribute, and b) what do you see happening at our qb position for the next couple of years?

SeahawkFinFan
01-27-2006, 03:07 PM
i'm curious - so if you're an idiot to jump on one of the big 3 qb's, because they won't contribute for two years, a) how long will it take a qb drafted in the later rounds to contribute, and b) what do you see happening at our qb position for the next couple of years?

I'm going to look at this a bit differently than either of you, I think. I'm generally a believer in avoiding using high draft picks on QBs. I don't think it automatically makes you an "idiot", but I think it's very rarely the best move for the team over the long run. Why? If you're picking in the top 5, you have a horrible team likely lacking in protection and offensive weapons (and that's not even considering the defensive side of the ball). Drafting that 'sure thing' QB eats up a ton of cash, and don't forget this guy now has no knowledge of a compicated system...that lacks any protection or offensive weapons. Oh, and he's being introduced to a new, faster league. This is a recipe for failure - at the very least for the first few seasons, possibly much longer if the front office and coaching staff are not up to the challenge of restructuring the team (and let's face it, many terrible teams have terrible organizations).

Now, for the Dolphins. We are fortunate not to be in this situation. I fully believe that a QB drafted in the later rounds can be fully as productive in the same ammount of time learning behind a veteran QB in a solid organization as the #1 pick who learns by being pounded by NFL defenses on a weekly basis. And of course there is far less risk of injury to your QB of the future - just ask the Jets and Bears about the fragility of their savior QBs.

NorFlaFin
01-27-2006, 04:01 PM
If D'Brick fell to the Fins, I'ld grab him. Make a grab for Croyle in the 2nd.

Neither will happend

mia4ever
01-27-2006, 04:09 PM
And if we all had a
fifth WE ALL BE DRuNK

Why would D'rick fall?

Motion
01-27-2006, 04:59 PM
It would flat out idiotic to even suggest Brick would fall out of the top 5 after the week he's had. He was a man among boys out there.