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Motion
01-28-2006, 04:55 PM
Here we go!

fishypete
01-28-2006, 04:56 PM
Right on time Speed.

Pocoloco
01-28-2006, 04:58 PM
let's all hope Cutler stinks up the joint

FinNasty
01-28-2006, 05:01 PM
Stupid L'ville game! It isnt showing the Senior Bowl yet on my TV...

Dolfan1000
01-28-2006, 05:01 PM
Ahhh.. ESPN Move to the Senior Bowl PLEASE!

Motion
01-28-2006, 05:06 PM
Kickoff is 4:12pm EST

MiamiFan1354
01-28-2006, 05:09 PM
Well, let the Cutler stock start. We are currently selling Cutler stock for 10 a share, 100 shares available. Max 10 shares per user. Any takers yet?

gator_sensation
01-28-2006, 05:09 PM
let's all hope Cutler stinks up the joint

I hear yah. I hope he throws 2 picks and fumble twice. If he does that hopefully that will scare some teams off so we can draft him. Although highly doubtful, one can dream .

Caps
01-28-2006, 05:09 PM
let's all hope Cutler stinks up the joint

+1

I hope he throws a pick every pass.

Pocoloco
01-28-2006, 05:12 PM
yeh, a gunslinger mentality can get you in trouble sometimes, especially if you throw off your back foot alot into coverage. here's to hoping!!

trate121hb
01-28-2006, 05:12 PM
here we go baby

ILPhinFan88
01-28-2006, 05:14 PM
Sorry I started a thread in the college forum

Prime
01-28-2006, 05:14 PM
I thought Cutler's throw was gonna be over the WR, but the WR made a nice catch and a good two feet in bounds.

Dolfan2788
01-28-2006, 05:15 PM
Should be interesting to see how Cutler actually performs finally after all the hype of how he was going to skyrocket after the Senior Bowl.

Motion
01-28-2006, 05:16 PM
Great touch on that pass.

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 05:16 PM
this has gotta be the worst senior WR corps ive ever seen. so man dropped passes it wasnt even funny..

and what great touch by cutler!

ILPhinFan88
01-28-2006, 05:16 PM
Jay's looking good to start out.

FinNasty
01-28-2006, 05:16 PM
That was some great touch Cutler put on the ball. Over the corner, and before the saftey could get over...

Celtkin
01-28-2006, 05:17 PM
Those receivers need to hang on to the ball

Caps
01-28-2006, 05:17 PM
Bad decision there. That would have been picked off in the NFL.

Caps
01-28-2006, 05:19 PM
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Celtkin
01-28-2006, 05:19 PM
Darn ! INT

Motion
01-28-2006, 05:19 PM
There ya go guys. lol

FinNasty
01-28-2006, 05:19 PM
What did I tell you about Griffen!

ILPhinFan88
01-28-2006, 05:19 PM
INT by Cutler......he sucks 1-15, let him drop to us. :D

MonkeyDog
01-28-2006, 05:20 PM
That's it I'm sold on Dominique Byrd. Nice play by Cedric Griffen.

ILPhinFan88
01-28-2006, 05:20 PM
Way to go CANE

Pocoloco
01-28-2006, 05:20 PM
Yessss!!!!!!!!!

daniel3
01-28-2006, 05:21 PM
Damn and I remember someone telling me Cedric Griffin sucks when I had him in my mock on another forum :/.

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 05:22 PM
thats a shame a player gets hurt bad in a game like this.

dm416
01-28-2006, 05:22 PM
The safety from WV is hurt

Celtkin
01-28-2006, 05:22 PM
INT by Cutler......he sucks 1-15, let him drop to us. :D

:D

FinNasty
01-28-2006, 05:24 PM
Does anyone else think DeAngelo Williams is an identical replica of Carnell Williams? The size and the way they run is so similar...

mia4ever
01-28-2006, 05:24 PM
Moss on a 25yrd rev.

Culter throw a int.

Caps
01-28-2006, 05:25 PM
Does anyone else think DeAngelo Williams is an identical replica of Carnell Williams? The size and the way they run is so similar...

I thought DeAngelo was like 5'8 and Caddy is like 5'11. But yeah, their styles are similar.

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 05:27 PM
i think caddy is more physical that De.

dm416
01-28-2006, 05:28 PM
Cutler has all the physical talent, but he needs to be coached

Motion
01-28-2006, 05:29 PM
Cutler has all the physical talent, but he needs to be coached

Agreed. He didn't get taught much at Vandy, they let him do his own thing.

FinNasty
01-28-2006, 05:30 PM
I thought DeAngelo was like 5'8 and Caddy is like 5'11. But yeah, their styles are similar.

DeAngelo is a little shorter... But he is built similar to Caddy.

Motion
01-28-2006, 05:30 PM
bad decision

FinNasty
01-28-2006, 05:31 PM
How big is the Thomas Howard, the UTEP LB?

kitt23
01-28-2006, 05:32 PM
the worse cutler does the more he may drop

Caps
01-28-2006, 05:32 PM
Crap drive by Cutler, that's what I like to see.

FinNasty
01-28-2006, 05:32 PM
the worse cutler does the more he may drop

yep...

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 05:32 PM
How big is the Thomas Howard, the UTEP LB?


i think he measured in at 6'2 235 area.

Dolfan2788
01-28-2006, 05:32 PM
How big is the Thomas Howard, the UTEP LB?
6-3 240

paskerbrandon
01-28-2006, 05:32 PM
How big is the Thomas Howard, the UTEP LB?

6'3.. If hes there in the 2nd, we need to make serious considerations.... He made a real nice play on the ball there, we could even move him to SS if need be...

Bartowboy
01-28-2006, 05:33 PM
Lets hope he stinks up the field....

Bartowboy
01-28-2006, 05:33 PM
Lets go South...

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 05:34 PM
He measured in at the weight-ins @ 6027 234

Bartowboy
01-28-2006, 05:34 PM
Doesnt look like we will be seeing Croyle throwing much.

dm416
01-28-2006, 05:35 PM
Croyle to Moss for the TD

Dolfan2788
01-28-2006, 05:35 PM
6-3 240

Nappy was right

6027 234
was the official

paskerbrandon
01-28-2006, 05:35 PM
Moss... Croyle... WOW.... What a throw... What a catch..

ILPhinFan88
01-28-2006, 05:35 PM
Another CANE sighting

Caps
01-28-2006, 05:35 PM
Yeah! Go Moss, rep The U!

Bartowboy
01-28-2006, 05:35 PM
Touchdown South.Croyle to Moss.

FinNasty
01-28-2006, 05:35 PM
Crap drive by Cutler, that's what I like to see.

Honestly, he needs to show something to me this game. I still think he is overrated to be ranked so high...

Bartowboy
01-28-2006, 05:36 PM
Im gonna start looking closer at Croyle.

dm416
01-28-2006, 05:37 PM
Any chance Croyle goes in RD 1?

Pocoloco
01-28-2006, 05:37 PM
If Croyle never had that string of injuries, he would easily be a first-rounder. But he has a small frame and bad knees.

paskerbrandon
01-28-2006, 05:38 PM
Any chance Croyle goes in RD 1?

No.

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 05:38 PM
Any chance Croyle goes in RD 1?


nah. if he didnt have weigh issues and bad injury history there would be, but i believe theres no chance with them.

FinNasty
01-28-2006, 05:38 PM
Any chance Croyle goes in RD 1?

If he lights it up this game, maybe... He has some durability issues...

Spegg
01-28-2006, 05:39 PM
I'll be watching Croyle.

Bartowboy
01-28-2006, 05:39 PM
If Croyle has a great game he may move into the 1st.

Caps
01-28-2006, 05:39 PM
Honestly, he needs to show something to me this game. I still think he is overrated to be ranked so high...

I agree with you. He's done nothing to deserve this ranking, he had a solid week of practice, but he didn't blow people away or anything. He's still only worth a 25-30 overall pick to me.

Bartowboy
01-28-2006, 05:40 PM
Please tell me Cutler isnt done already.

PhinSoldia
01-28-2006, 05:40 PM
no he will be right there where we want him if we want him...he just shows he has a pretty good arm....

but jay cutler looks like Zues throwing lightning bolts

Pocoloco
01-28-2006, 05:40 PM
I agree with you. He's done nothing to deserve this ranking, he had a solid week of practice, but he didn't blow people away or anything. He's still only worth a 25-30 overall pick to me.

agreed. hopefully this game brings his stock back to earth

paskerbrandon
01-28-2006, 05:40 PM
Whitehurst looks good thus far 2 for 2...

PhinSoldia
01-28-2006, 05:41 PM
I agree with you. He's done nothing to deserve this ranking, he had a solid week of practice, but he didn't blow people away or anything. He's still only worth a 25-30 overall pick to me.

he is trying too hard to impress still and i would just love to see him calm the hell down. and after this game he might have slipped right down to us

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 05:42 PM
Whitehurst looks good thus far 2 for 2...


well hes 3-3, but his hasnt looked good to me.

dm416
01-28-2006, 05:42 PM
Whitehurst doesn't have that good of an arm

Caps
01-28-2006, 05:43 PM
Whitehurst looks ok so far. If we miss out on Cutler I wouldn't mind taking him as a project.

Caps
01-28-2006, 05:44 PM
All right Whitehurst, outshine Cutler big man!

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 05:44 PM
Whitehurst looks pretty good so far. If we miss out on Cutler I wouldn't mind taking him as a project.


why does he look good? 2 of his WRs did a good job by adjusting to his fluttering lack of accuracy ball.

now that was a good throw, giving the WR a chance to go up and get it. first good throw by him IMO.

MonkeyDog
01-28-2006, 05:45 PM
I'm starting to like Whitehurst. He's got NFL size.

dm416
01-28-2006, 05:45 PM
Whitehurst looks ok so far. If we miss out on Cutler I wouldn't mind taking him as a project.

I like him too, what round is he expected to go in?

paskerbrandon
01-28-2006, 05:46 PM
I like him too, what round is he expected to go in?

4-5

FinAtic8480
01-28-2006, 05:46 PM
How about Croyle bomb sure freaking impress me,also Whitehurst had a nice pass for a TD....Seems like there are better Qb's then we thought

Bigjbizzle2
01-28-2006, 05:46 PM
More proof why cutler is overrated 3-9 with a pic.

PhinSoldia
01-28-2006, 05:46 PM
I like him too, what round is he expected to go in?

3rd

paskerbrandon
01-28-2006, 05:48 PM
Wow nice arm strength right there by Shockley...

dolfn66
01-28-2006, 05:48 PM
Cutler seems to throw off his back foot a lot.

FinAtic8480
01-28-2006, 05:48 PM
Brodie Croyle stock is gonna rise.... 1-1 TD

Caps
01-28-2006, 05:48 PM
why does he look good? 2 of his WRs did a good job by adjusting to his fluttering lack of accuracy ball.

now that was a good throw, giving the WR a chance to go up and get it. first good throw by him IMO.

I said he looks OK, not great, just OK. He's got the tools and with some good coaching, which we can provide, I think he could be a solid starter some day. He just needs to improve his accuracy and decision making.

paskerbrandon
01-28-2006, 05:49 PM
Max Jean Giles looked great on that run...

GCD960
01-28-2006, 05:49 PM
What is this? There is an official Thread in the DRAFT FORUM

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 05:49 PM
I said he looks OK, not great, just OK. He's got the tools and with some good coaching, which we can provide, I think he could be a solid starter some day.


well actually you said "pretty good", its all good though.

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 05:50 PM
Max Jean Giles looked great on that run...


you see him throw his own dude out of the way? i liked that.

daniel3
01-28-2006, 05:50 PM
At least one QB on the south team apparently knows how to sell and execute a play action pass play. When Croyle did it, pretty much everyone on the field knew who that ball was going to.

dm416
01-28-2006, 05:51 PM
I hope Max Jean Giles drops to us in RD 2

Caps
01-28-2006, 05:52 PM
What a crap throw.

Agua
01-28-2006, 05:52 PM
Whitehurst looks better than Cutler so far.

Caps
01-28-2006, 05:52 PM
What a crap throw.

And again...

kitt23
01-28-2006, 05:52 PM
damn i cant wait for the draft, its 2 far away, all this talk about possible selections are making me really really want this draft to come fast

dm416
01-28-2006, 05:52 PM
Terrible throw by Shockley

FinNasty
01-28-2006, 05:53 PM
Terrible desicion by DJ... he has to throw that ball away...

gator_sensation
01-28-2006, 05:53 PM
The draft analysts were right when they said DJ Shockly is not accurate. If I was him, I'll tell the coaches I don't want to play anymore to save my draft status. the more he plays the worst he looks. We can take DJ off our list of our QB draft list.

vt_dolfan
01-28-2006, 05:53 PM
why does he look good? 2 of his WRs did a good job by adjusting to his fluttering lack of accuracy ball.

now that was a good throw, giving the WR a chance to go up and get it. first good throw by him IMO.

He is throwing into a very stiff wind...even Speilman made the remark that someone with a cannon would have his ball dip into that wind....

PhinstiGator
01-28-2006, 05:55 PM
Whitehurst looks better than Cutler so far.
True that. Not bad coming off of shoulder surgery.

By the way, this is the first time that I heard Cutler has tiny hands...now they tell us.

Caps
01-28-2006, 05:55 PM
He is throwing into a very stiff wind...even Speilman made the remark that someone with a cannon would have his ball dip into that wind....

That might be the case. We'll see if that's true now that their going in the opposite direction.

Caps
01-28-2006, 05:56 PM
OK, screw Cutler, bring me Whitehurst:lol:

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 05:56 PM
He is throwing into a very stiff wind...even Speilman made the remark that someone with a cannon would have his ball dip into that wind....


damn you are right, i was thinkin he had the wind with him. that was a good throw with the wind with him, we'll see how he does the rest of the game.

cutler was throwing some bullets agaisnt that same wind.

gator_sensation
01-28-2006, 05:57 PM
It looks like we might have Whitehurst to thank for letting Cutler fall to us.

feelthepain
01-28-2006, 05:58 PM
Whitehurst looks better then Cutler.

Caps
01-28-2006, 05:59 PM
Man, Hagan dropped another one.

Edit: saw the replay, it was a perfect throw too.

Retnuhrace
01-28-2006, 06:00 PM
It looks like we might have Whitehurst to thank for letting Cutler fall to us.


God I hope not.

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 06:00 PM
God I hope not.


ok, lets go off topic real quick and see why not?

gator_sensation
01-28-2006, 06:01 PM
Man, Hagan dropped another one.
Hagan should follow DJ to the bench to save his draft status. All the balls he dropped have bounced off his hands.

dm416
01-28-2006, 06:01 PM
Skyler Green muffs the punt for a TD

PhinsRDbest
01-28-2006, 06:01 PM
green better not do that for us next year.

Dolfan_Noles
01-28-2006, 06:02 PM
What is not to like about Whitehurst? He is at least a little mobile, has great size and strength, and did great things with not much to work with at Clemson....very impressed so far. Also, how about Griffin? Made some great plays in the Rose Bowl and that interception was amazing.

HysterikiLL
01-28-2006, 06:03 PM
Guys, I'm totally missing this. Can I get a quick update on how Cutler and some other hot prospects did/are doing??

Ol' Saint Nick
01-28-2006, 06:03 PM
Whitehurst looks better then Cutler.

This is the news we all wanted to hear. Hopefully it's enough to make him drop.

By the way this thread belongs in the draft forum.

ABrownLamp
01-28-2006, 06:04 PM
What is this? There is an official Thread in the DRAFT FORUM

OMFG!!! Quick, make a post and alert a mod IMMEDIATELY

WTF IS THIS!!!

Caps
01-28-2006, 06:05 PM
Cutler has played below average so far.

Adam First
01-28-2006, 06:05 PM
OMFG!!! Quick, make a post and alert a mod IMMEDIATELY

WTF IS THIS!!!

:sidelol::sidelol::sidelol:

saves
01-28-2006, 06:05 PM
What is not to like about Whitehurst? He is at least a little mobile, has great size and strength, and did great things with not much to work with at Clemson....very impressed so far. Also, how about Griffin? Made some great plays in the Rose Bowl and that interception was amazing.
His inconsistency scares me.

tmny99
01-28-2006, 06:05 PM
Guys, I'm totally missing this. Can I get a quick update on how Cutler and some other hot prospects did/are doing??

Cutler looked ok. His gunslinger mentality caused him points when he threw a pick in the endzone. Croyle looked pretty good, he connected on a long TD pass to Sinorce Moss. Shockley didn't look so good:( I was hoping he had a better game. Whitehurst has looked pretty accurate and he hasn't made any costly decisions.

HysterikiLL
01-28-2006, 06:06 PM
Has Cutler sucked enough to warrant a slip to 16? :D

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 06:06 PM
What is not to like about Whitehurst? He is at least a little mobile, has great size and strength, and did great things with not much to work with at Clemson....very impressed so far. Also, how about Griffin? Made some great plays in the Rose Bowl and that interception was amazing.


Whitehurst did great things at clemson? no, he did far from that.

dm416
01-28-2006, 06:06 PM
Has Cutler sucked enough to warrant a slip to 16? :D

Probably

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 06:06 PM
Probably


no.

ABrownLamp
01-28-2006, 06:07 PM
Shockley stock falling below Omar Jacobs

saves
01-28-2006, 06:08 PM
Shockley stock falling below Omar Jacobs

I don't see how anyone could have seen it the other way before?

FinNasty
01-28-2006, 06:09 PM
What is not to like about Whitehurst? He is at least a little mobile, has great size and strength, and did great things with not much to work with at Clemson....very impressed so far. Also, how about Griffin? Made some great plays in the Rose Bowl and that interception was amazing.

I have been talking about Griffen for a while... I love that kid and would be thrilled to see us grab him maybe in the 2nd...

dm416
01-28-2006, 06:09 PM
Cutler would fit the Lions perfect- Good talent, poor decision-making :wink:

MiamiDolphins34
01-28-2006, 06:09 PM
let's all hope Cutler stinks up the joint

:sidelol: :wink:

HysterikiLL
01-28-2006, 06:09 PM
Shockley had better stock than Jacobs to begin with??

HysterikiLL
01-28-2006, 06:10 PM
I have been talking about Griffen for a while... I love that kid and would be thrilled to see us grab him maybe in the 2nd...


You talking about Cedric Griffin of Texas? If so, HELL YEAH!

MiamiDolphins34
01-28-2006, 06:11 PM
Skyler Green muffs the punt for a TD

Does this drop him to the 7th? :D

paskerbrandon
01-28-2006, 06:11 PM
You talking about Cedric Griffin of Texas? If so, HELL YEAH!

Yes he is.. Griffin had a pick off of Cutler early in the 1st in the redzone...

vt_dolfan
01-28-2006, 06:11 PM
From the game so far...does anyone think that its possible that maybe our answer for QB of the future may not be in this years draft? I mean honestly, nobody has looked really good so far. I didnt see enough from Cutler to warrant moving up..but I also realize that 2 sets of downs is not really enough to judge him.

Nobody is in a bigger rush than me to get out next great one...but Im really doubting that this years crop of QB's will give us that guy. I suppose Lienart is the closest thing to what we would want....but we wont get him so thats not even worth thinking about.

paskerbrandon
01-28-2006, 06:12 PM
Howard drops a pick... Robinson sucks....

paskerbrandon
01-28-2006, 06:13 PM
From the game so far...does anyone think that its possible that maybe our answer for QB of the future may not be in this years draft? I mean honestly, nobody has looked really good so far. I didnt see enough from Cutler to warrant moving up..but I also realize that 2 sets of downs is not really enough to judge him.

Nobody is in a bigger rush than me to get out next great one...but Im really doubting that this years crop of QB's will give us that guy. I suppose Lienart is the closest thing to what we would want....but we wont get him so thats not even worth thinking about.

You could be very well correct... I would like to see us go out and make a big trade for a QB, ala Brooks, Ramsey, ect... That way were not basically forced to take a QB this year...

saves
01-28-2006, 06:13 PM
Howard drops a pick... Robinson sucks....

I'm suprised he is not out there playing WR or something yet. Or at least just taking off everytime and showing off his power and speed.

tmny99
01-28-2006, 06:14 PM
From the game so far...does anyone think that its possible that maybe our answer for QB of the future may not be in this years draft? I mean honestly, nobody has looked really good so far. I didnt see enough from Cutler to warrant moving up..but I also realize that 2 sets of downs is not really enough to judge him.

Nobody is in a bigger rush than me to get out next great one...but Im really doubting that this years crop of QB's will give us that guy. I suppose Lienart is the closest thing to what we would want....but we wont get him so thats not even worth thinking about.

I don't think the crop of Qbs will look any better next year. I think this year gives you more late round Qbs where you don't have to forfeit the entire draft to get your franchise QB.

FinNasty
01-28-2006, 06:14 PM
You talking about Cedric Griffin of Texas? If so, HELL YEAH!

ya... he is a playmaker!

daniel3
01-28-2006, 06:14 PM
I wonder if its now a stretch to think Cedric Griffen will be there in the 3rd round when we pick? I saw it elsewhere he was a 4th round prospect, but I put him in one of my mocks as a 3rd round choice for Miami (mainly because i think all Texas backs are elite). With that pick and his pretty good coverage, I wonder :(.

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 06:15 PM
Cutler would fit the Lions perfect- Good talent, poor decision-making :wink:

you dont know anything about cutler do you?

HysterikiLL
01-28-2006, 06:15 PM
From the game so far...does anyone think that its possible that maybe our answer for QB of the future may not be in this years draft? I mean honestly, nobody has looked really good so far. I didnt see enough from Cutler to warrant moving up..but I also realize that 2 sets of downs is not really enough to judge him.

Nobody is in a bigger rush than me to get out next great one...but Im really doubting that this years crop of QB's will give us that guy. I suppose Lienart is the closest thing to what we would want....but we wont get him so thats not even worth thinking about.

I've certainly thought that before the game. Next years class seems to be a pretty nice QB class and IMO if Cutler reaches us, well take him, if he doesn't, we won't trade up. If we take a QB like Croyle or Whitehurst in the 2nd though, I doubt we'd spend a first pick next year on a QB. IMO, if we take Cutler, there's a possibility he doesn't even play this season anyway if Gus starts and plays well.

I'm all for taking a defensive player or O. Lineman in this draft that can be built to be a franchise player.


Anyone have any info on how Jon Scott is doing?

PhinsRDbest
01-28-2006, 06:16 PM
Cutler would fit the Lions perfect- Good talent, poor decision-making :wink:
Naaaaaaaa, the Lions are going to draft Santonio Holmes. :lol:

ABrownLamp
01-28-2006, 06:16 PM
I don't see how anyone could have seen it the other way before?

Only because Shockley plays at GA and Jacobs plays for some crappy, flithy, podunk school in Ohio. Nothing positive has ever come out of that school or area. Ever.

jk

daniel3
01-28-2006, 06:17 PM
My Dream (for now)
1. Michael Huff (DB)
2. Bobby Carpenter (LB)
3. Omar Jacobs (QB)
4. Anthony Smith(DB)
5. Skylar Green(WR)
6. Cameron Vaughn (LB)

Is Vaughn really a 6th round prospect? I thought he was 4/5th.

Pocoloco
01-28-2006, 06:17 PM
well who's there next year? I'm all for selling the farm to grab Brady Quinn, but I doubt anyone else is with me. We won't pick low enough to get him, and we'll probably be in Chris Leak territory. Next year's class is about as good as this one's.

dm416
01-28-2006, 06:17 PM
you dont know anything about cutler do you?

I hope we get him, I just think he's a raw talent that needs a lot of coaching. He made some reckless throws which he can be coached out of.

Caps
01-28-2006, 06:18 PM
Only because Shockley plays at GA and Jacobs plays for some crappy, flithy, podunk school in Ohio. Nothing positive has ever come out of that school or area. Ever.

Oh boy.

paskerbrandon
01-28-2006, 06:19 PM
How about this Addae kid from WV? I was kind of pissed when he got hurt b/ I knew what he is/was capable of.. would be a great 4th round pick

FinNasty
01-28-2006, 06:19 PM
I wonder if its now a stretch to think Cedric Griffen will be there in the 3rd round when we pick? I saw it elsewhere he was a 4th round prospect, but I put him in one of my mocks as a 3rd round choice for Miami (mainly because i think all Texas backs are elite). With that pick and his pretty good coverage, I wonder :(.

I wouldnt mind taking him in the 2nd...

Caps
01-28-2006, 06:19 PM
well who's there next year? I'm all for selling the farm to grab Brady Quinn, but I doubt anyone else is with me. We won't pick low enough to get him, and we'll probably be in Chris Leak territory. Next year's class is about as good as this one's.

Brady Quinn(duh), Drew Stanton, Sam Keller, etc.

vt_dolfan
01-28-2006, 06:20 PM
I don't think the crop of Qbs will look any better next year. I think this year gives you more late round Qbs where you don't have to forfeit the entire draft to get your franchise QB.

Obviously, we need to draft at least one QB in this years draft. Croyle in the second or third makes sense. If Cutler falls....that makes sense obviously. But I think the Phins really need to focus on bringing in a solid YOUNG fa QB to compete with Gus for the job next year. Ramsey, McCown are two options that make sense to me. I just dont see our future star QB on the field in Bama today.

nopony
01-28-2006, 06:20 PM
Man, these recievers are NOT having a good day.

Pocoloco
01-28-2006, 06:20 PM
Brady Quinn(duh), Drew Stanton, Sam Keller, etc.

ahhh, I did forget about Drew Stanton. That guy was really impressive early this year, and sucked the rest of the time. Hopefully he'll get back up to form

paskerbrandon
01-28-2006, 06:21 PM
Manny Lawson just sat on Cutler... nice play Manny...

ABrownLamp
01-28-2006, 06:21 PM
Cutler needs a looooot of work before he is ready to start in the NFL

dm416
01-28-2006, 06:22 PM
Naaaaaaaa, the Lions are going to draft Santonio Holmes. :lol:

Yup

HysterikiLL
01-28-2006, 06:22 PM
At least we can all relax as Saban will know exactly what he's doing!

PhinsRDbest
01-28-2006, 06:22 PM
well who's there next year? I'm all for selling the farm to grab Brady Quinn, but I doubt anyone else is with me. We won't pick low enough to get him, and we'll probably be in Chris Leak territory. Next year's class is about as good as this one's.

Drew Stanton
Jordan Palmer
Troy Smith(Not sure if hes a JR.)
Brian Brohn(JR.)
Jamarcus Russell (JR.)

Caps
01-28-2006, 06:22 PM
3 and out for Cutler. Good... Good...

saves
01-28-2006, 06:22 PM
Is Vaughn really a 6th round prospect? I thought he was 4/5th.

I don't know,but its my dream:evil:

PhinSoldia
01-28-2006, 06:23 PM
Cutler needs a looooot of work before he is ready to start in the NFL

nope his stock might have been earthed today but he is still a top candidate...and after today he will be at 16 for us

ABrownLamp
01-28-2006, 06:23 PM
Shockley slips to 6th round status

Pocoloco
01-28-2006, 06:23 PM
I don't know,but its my dream:evil:


we don't have a 6th... Cleo Lemon deal

dm416
01-28-2006, 06:24 PM
Marcus McNeil with the catch. I love seeing lineman try to run :lol:

Pocoloco
01-28-2006, 06:24 PM
nope his stock might have been earthed today but he is still a top candidate...and after today he will be at 16 for us

don't jinx it. If the guy makes one great clutch throw, the hype machine will start right back up

ABrownLamp
01-28-2006, 06:24 PM
nope his stock might have been earthed today but he is still a top candidate...and after today he will be at 16 for us

nope? have you seen his performance today against college seniors? he needs a lot of work.

paskerbrandon
01-28-2006, 06:24 PM
Brian Iwuh has impressed in pratice and now on the field today.. theres a kid whos stock is rising.. wouldent mind him or Addae in the 4th... Hodge stood up McNeil on that play pretty nice as well...

nopony
01-28-2006, 06:25 PM
I have stayed out of the Cutler discussions pretty much, because I don't feel I know enough about him to claim an opinion. Others certainly know more about him than I do.

But there is at least one reason he makes me nervous, and it has little to do with him.

The secret to being a good GM in football or baseball is finding talent that is undervalued by everyody else and avoiding talent that is overvalued by everybody else.

And one of the traits that I feel is consistently OVERvalued in the draft is arm strength. So I get nervous about any QB who shoots up the draft based largely on arm strength.

Caps
01-28-2006, 06:25 PM
nope his stock might have been earthed today but he is still a top candidate...and after today he will be at 16 for us

I think he's the kind of guy that would benefit most from the Carson Palmer treatment.

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 06:25 PM
Cutler needs a looooot of work before he is ready to start in the NFL


i love cutler, and he doesnt need a ton of work, but he does need some work thats for sure. if we drafted him i definitly wouldnt expect him to start from day 1.

FinNasty
01-28-2006, 06:25 PM
That reception by McNiell was impressive. Not so much the catch, but he showed some good athleticism for such a big guy...

paskerbrandon
01-28-2006, 06:26 PM
I don't know,but its my dream:evil:

Move Vaughn up to the 5th and Green down to the 6th... makes sense

PhinsRDbest
01-28-2006, 06:26 PM
don't jinx it. If the guy makes one great clutch throw, the hype machine will start right back up
To late hes going to the JETS. :boohoo:

General Tso
01-28-2006, 06:26 PM
Marcus McNeil with th catch. I love seeing lineman try to run :lol:

Hagan wishes he could catch the ball as well as big ol' McNeil...

PhinSoldia
01-28-2006, 06:27 PM
I think he's the kind of guy that would benefit most from the Carson Palmer treatment.

thats what he's gona get if he signs with us anyway because Gus is going to be our QB next year or another vet...thats the only way to go with most rookies anyway

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 06:28 PM
I have stayed out of the Cutler discussions pretty much, because I don't feel I know enough about him to claim an opinion. Others certainly know more about him than I do.

But there is at least one reason he makes me nervous, and it has little to do with him.

The secret to being a good GM in football or baseball is finding talent that is undervalued by everyody else and avoiding talent that is overvalued by everybody else.

And one of the traits that I feel is consistently OVERvalued in the draft is arm strength. So I get nervous about any QB who shoots up the draft based largely on arm strength.



well he hasnt shot up the draft based on arm strength. i watched him alot of the year, loved the kid, at the end of the vandy @ gators game, i stated he then put himself into the first round.

saves
01-28-2006, 06:28 PM
we don't have a 6th... Cleo Lemon deal...the dream is dead

Pocoloco
01-28-2006, 06:28 PM
I have stayed out of the Cutler discussions pretty much, because I don't feel I know enough about him to claim an opinion. Others certainly know more about him than I do.

But there is at least one reason he makes me nervous, and it has little to do with him.

The secret to being a good GM in football or baseball is finding talent that is undervalued by everyody else and avoiding talent that is overvalued by everybody else.

And one of the traits that I feel is consistently OVERvalued in the draft is arm strength. So I get nervous about any QB who shoots up the draft based largely on arm strength.

great point. accuracy and good decision making a much more important qualities in a quaterback. The guy still has to have decent arm strength, but not necessary the best in the league. Look at the quarterbacks in the playoffs this year (Peyton, Roethlesberger, Delhomme, Brady, Grossman, Hasselbeck), they all fit that mold (except Palmer, who has everything). Strong-armed but dim-witted quarterbacks are exciting but rarely go anywhere (Vick, Brooks, Jeff George).

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 06:29 PM
great point. accuracy and good decision making a much more important qualities in a quaterback. The guy still has to have decent arm strength, but not necessary the best in the league. Look at the quarterbacks in the playoffs this year (Peyton, Roethlesberger, Delhomme, Brady, Grossman, Hasselbeck), they all fit that mold (except Palmer, who has everything). Strong-armed but dim-witted quarterbacks are exciting but rarely go anywhere (Vick, Brooks, Jeff George).


Delhomme, brady and grossman have very strong arms. Cutler reminds me of Delhomme a bit.

General Tso
01-28-2006, 06:30 PM
I have stayed out of the Cutler discussions pretty much, because I don't feel I know enough about him to claim an opinion. Others certainly know more about him than I do.

But there is at least one reason he makes me nervous, and it has little to do with him.

The secret to being a good GM in football or baseball is finding talent that is undervalued by everyody else and avoiding talent that is overvalued by everybody else.

And one of the traits that I feel is consistently OVERvalued in the draft is arm strength. So I get nervous about any QB who shoots up the draft based largely on arm strength.

Cutler certainly hasn't played like a first round pick, let alone a top ten pick, so far today...

Pocoloco
01-28-2006, 06:30 PM
you're kidding about Brady right? and especially Grossman too?

PhinSoldia
01-28-2006, 06:31 PM
Cutler certainly hasn't played like a first round pick, let alone a top ten pick, so far today...

yep and i for one am very happy because with his individual combine workouts he is going to regroup his stock and he will be right there for us at 16 if we want him

PhinsRDbest
01-28-2006, 06:32 PM
I think the reason everybody is fascinated about the strong arm thing is because nobody wants to see anyone with Jay Fiedler armstength.

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 06:33 PM
you're kidding about Brady right? and especially Grossman too?


are you serious?

Agua
01-28-2006, 06:33 PM
Cutler certainly hasn't played like a first round pick, let alone a top ten pick, so far today...

Agree with that. He looks more like JP Losman, minus the mobility.

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 06:33 PM
yep and i for one am very happy because with his individual combine workouts he is going to regroup his stock and he will be right there for us at 16 if we want him


this performance so far hasnt dropped him to us, so dont think his workouts will move him back up to us.

PhinSoldia
01-28-2006, 06:34 PM
I think the reason everybody is fascinated about the strong arm thing is because nobody wants to see anyone with Jay Fiedler armstength.

not only that...because we can spread the ball down the field and use the Play pass for downfield passes....we want a total QB he can throw the short ball and the long ball too

Caps
01-28-2006, 06:34 PM
Delhomme, brady and grossman have very strong arms. Cutler reminds me of Delhomme a bit.

Peyton and Roethlisberger aren't packing water pistols either.

HysterikiLL
01-28-2006, 06:34 PM
Agree with that. He looks more like JP Losman, minus the mobility.

:puke:

EDIT: Ok, so that's not a picture, but you get the idea. :D

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 06:35 PM
Peyton and Roethlisberger aren't packing water pistols either.


no, but those 2 more than the others use alot of touch, so you rarely see them throw as hard as they can.

PhinSoldia
01-28-2006, 06:36 PM
this performance so far hasnt dropped him to us, so dont think his workouts will move him back up to us.

he has dropped tho because many people who thought so highly of him are opening thier eyes to know that he shouldnt be soaring like that...he still needs some work so yes he has dropped. now with the indivual combine workouts that highlights his release and his arm streangth and if he knows when to gun it or take something off of it THEN it will go back up(or not)

General Tso
01-28-2006, 06:37 PM
this performance so far hasnt dropped him to us, so dont think his workouts will move him back up to us.

1 INT, 2 other passes that should've been INTs, and 2 passes that were completely off the mark. I think this performance, so far at least, would concern me if I was using a top ten pick on him.

If Cutler doesn't play better in the 2nd half then he'll need a big rebound at the combine/workouts or he may fall to 16.

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 06:38 PM
he has dropped tho because many people who thought so highly of him are opening thier eyes to know that he shouldnt be soaring like that...he still needs some work so yes he has dropped. now with the indivual combine workouts that highlights his release and his arm streangth and if he knows when to gun it or take something off of it THEN it will go back up(or not)


im not gonna say he hasnt dropped, because people were talkin about him with leinart, and after this i would hope they wouldnt because hes not. but he still hasnt dropped to us.

HysterikiLL
01-28-2006, 06:39 PM
It's only half time? Jesus, I should be watching this. I thought it was almost over!

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 06:39 PM
1 INT, 2 other passes that should've been INTs, and 2 passes that were completely off the mark. I think this performance, so far at least, would concern me if I was using a top ten pick on him.

If Cutler doesn't play better in the 2nd half then he'll need a big rebound at the combine/workouts or he may fall to 16..


he hasnt had a good game, i know. ask scouts though, practices matter to them more than the game. infact they said it before the game. Cutler isnt going to drop from possible top 5 pick, to 15-20 area because of 4 bad passes.

Caps
01-28-2006, 06:39 PM
he has dropped tho because many people who thought so highly of him are opening thier eyes to know that he shouldnt be soaring like that...he still needs some work so yes he has dropped. now with the indivual combine workouts that highlights his release and his arm streangth and if he knows when to gun it or take something off of it THEN it will go back up(or not)

If he continues to suck in the second half, then maybe workouts will push him up to us. If he plays above average or better in the second half, AND has good workouts, I think he would push ahead of us again.

Caps
01-28-2006, 06:42 PM
Wow, and I thought Shockley looked bad...

PhinsRDbest
01-28-2006, 06:43 PM
Yup looks like Shockley and Hackney will be future Hall of Famers in the NFL...

HysterikiLL
01-28-2006, 06:43 PM
Wouldn't it be hilarious if Cutler slipped to us and we passed on him :lol:

PhinsRDbest
01-28-2006, 06:44 PM
Europe! :D

General Tso
01-28-2006, 06:45 PM
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he hasnt had a good game, i know. ask scouts though, practices matter to them more than the game. infact they said it before the game. Cutler isnt going to drop from possible top 5 pick, to 15-20 area because of 4 bad passes.

Practices are important, but it's equally (if not more) important to see how someone responds under pressure in a real game situation. In this game in front of all of the NFL's decision makers he's played very poorly... and he didn't exactly blow anyone away during the week either.

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 06:46 PM
Wouldn't it be hilarious if Cutler slipped to us and we passed on him :lol:


no, id prolly hurt somebody.:evil:

ABrownLamp
01-28-2006, 06:46 PM
Man, these QBs are awful

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 06:47 PM
Practices are important, but it's equally (if not more) important to see how someone responds under pressure in a real game situation. In this game in front of all of the NFL's decision makers he's played very poorly... and he didn't exactly blow anyone away during the week either.


im just telling you what NFL GMs and Scouts say that practices are more important. and he was the best QB all week, so i wouldnt say he didnt do good.

paskerbrandon
01-28-2006, 06:47 PM
Man, these QBs are awful

Besides Whithurst... YES THEY ARE.

PhinstiGator
01-28-2006, 06:47 PM
Agree with that. He looks more like JP Losman, minus the mobility.
He reminds me a lot of the 32 pick in the 2002 draft...Patrick Ramsey.

Agua
01-28-2006, 06:49 PM
He reminds me a lot of the 32 pick in the 2002 draft...Patrick Ramsey.
Good comparison.

PhinsRDbest
01-28-2006, 06:50 PM
Wouldn't it be hilarious if Cutler slipped to us and we passed on him :lol:
I can see the headlines the next day: Many Finheaven Members Jump Off Bridges!

HysterikiLL
01-28-2006, 06:50 PM
At least Cutler looked better than Ramsey and Losman in college. I did like Cutler at Vandy despite the overbearing hype he got. I think he will be a good NFL player and Saban has a great coaching staff to help him. Houck will build him a brick wall and Garrett is a very good teacher.

Pocoloco
01-28-2006, 06:51 PM
what are Cutler's stats as of now?

General Tso
01-28-2006, 06:51 PM
im just telling you what NFL GMs and Scouts say that practices are more important. and he was the best QB all week, so i wouldnt say he didnt do good.

They've also said his accuracy was on again off again all week too.

I don't think there was ever any question of him being the best QB at this year's senior bowl, but that doesn't mean he's worth a top ten pick.

PhinsRDbest
01-28-2006, 06:51 PM
Come on put in a real quarterback!

FinNasty
01-28-2006, 06:52 PM
oh... and D-Brick gives up a sack...

islanddolphin
01-28-2006, 06:52 PM
im just telling you what NFL GMs and Scouts say that practices are more important. and he was the best QB all week, so i wouldnt say he didnt do good.

Do you know how many players look great in practice and workouts and then get in the game and suck. There is no way practice skills outweigh game skills. Come on thick before you write something like that. Think of Ryan
Leaf and that will answer your question.

ABrownLamp
01-28-2006, 06:52 PM
D'Brickashaw getting used...

ugh. these receivers are awful too...

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 06:53 PM
They've also said his accuracy was on again off again all week too.

I don't think there was ever any question of him being the best QB at this year's senior bowl, but that doesn't mean he's worth a top ten pick.


ive never thought he was a top 10 pick. but alot of GMs do, and their not going to change their mind because of this game.

Caps
01-28-2006, 06:53 PM
Holy ****, Hagan made a ****ing catch!

HysterikiLL
01-28-2006, 06:53 PM
I'd love to see a Junior Vs Senior Bowl. These Seniors would get owned and used as paper towels.

dm416
01-28-2006, 06:54 PM
Hagan finally catches one

PhinsRDbest
01-28-2006, 06:55 PM
Trueblood thrown out?

paskerbrandon
01-28-2006, 06:55 PM
Romah Harper just SMASHED Robinson.. finally something worth watching.. I LOVE Harper... I really hope we take him in the 2nd or 3rd...

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 06:57 PM
Do you know how many players look great in practice and workouts and then get in the game and suck. There is no way practice skills outweigh game skills. Come on thick before you write something like that. Think of Ryan
Leaf and that will answer your question.


:sidelol:

what a joke.

Agua
01-28-2006, 06:58 PM
what are Cutler's stats as of now?

He's either 3-10 or 3-11 with 1 INT.

General Tso
01-28-2006, 06:59 PM
ive never thought he was a top 10 pick. but alot of GMs do, and their not going to change their mind because of this game.

Name 1 GM who has said Cutler is a top ten pick.

Maybe Mike Mayock and Chris Mortenson have said that, but I've yet to see a quote from a GM saying they'd spend a top ten pick on him.

FinNasty
01-28-2006, 07:00 PM
Does anyone have the measureables on Harper? I dont know much about him, but he has really grabbed my attention today. He has made some great plays, and demonstrated he can be a physical pressence...

PhinstiGator
01-28-2006, 07:00 PM
At least Cutler looked better than Ramsey and Losman in college...
What do mean by looked better? Ramsey threw for more yards, more TD's, and had a higher completion percentage. That doesn't look better to me.

Coots82
01-28-2006, 07:00 PM
I have to say this, simply because I'm from Bama. My bama boys are rocking it today. Being a homer... maybe ..but All the bama boys are hitting hard.

Pocoloco
01-28-2006, 07:00 PM
He's either 3-10 or 3-11 with 1 INT.

thank you.

Wow! Another pick and he's ours!

Caps
01-28-2006, 07:02 PM
Does anyone have the measureables on Harper? I dont know much about him, but he has really grabbed my attention today. He has made some great plays, and demonstrated he can be a physical pressence...

All measurables. (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/seniorbowl/reports/weighin.html)

paskerbrandon
01-28-2006, 07:03 PM
Theres Harper again... Love this kid...

dm416
01-28-2006, 07:03 PM
Harper with another big play

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 07:03 PM
Name 1 GM who has said Cutler is a top ten pick.

Maybe Mike Mayock and Chris Mortenson have said that, but I've yet to see a quote from a GM saying they'd spend a top ten pick on him.


you havent heard one that said he wouldnt. Zona-Jets-Lions-titans have all been interested supposibly, their all in the top 10.

Coots82
01-28-2006, 07:03 PM
And Harper just picked up the Muffed punt... woo hoo... go bama boys !

PhinsRDbest
01-28-2006, 07:04 PM
Hopefully well see a real qb next series.

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 07:05 PM
Hackney is better than he has shown. still cant believe hes under 6 ft

General Tso
01-28-2006, 07:07 PM
you havent heard one that said he wouldnt. Zona-Jets-Lions-titans have all been interested supposibly, their all in the top 10.

You just said "a lot of GMs" believe he's a top ten pick, even though you don't know if "a lot" of GMs have him ranked that high. On the other hand, I never said "GMs don't think he's a top ten pick"... because I, just like you, don't know what GMs draft boards look like right now. One major reason: it's January!

I was simply pointing out that your statement is pure speculation, just like the opinion that this performance means Cutler will be there at #16 is pure speculation.

Agua
01-28-2006, 07:08 PM
thank you.

Wow! Another pick and he's ours!

Actually, isn't his inconsistent accuracy what he was known for in college as well?

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 07:09 PM
You just said "a lot of GMs" believe he's a top ten pick, even though you don't know if "a lot" of GMs have him ranked that high. On the other hand, I never said "GMs don't think he's a top ten pick"... because I, just like you, don't know what GMs draft boards look like right now. One major reason: it's January!

I was simply pointing out that your statement is pure speculation, just like the opinion that this performance means Cutler will be there at #16 is pure speculation.


everything at this point is speculation. whats the point of being on this board talkin about the draft then.

its speculation that leinart will go top 15, so should we talk about him being there at 16?

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 07:10 PM
Hackney is better than he has shown. still cant believe hes under 6 ft



:D

thats my boy with some nice plays right there!

PhinsRDbest
01-28-2006, 07:11 PM
Blackmon left that guy wide open for the touchdown.

dm416
01-28-2006, 07:11 PM
Hackney makes a good throw for a change

General Tso
01-28-2006, 07:13 PM
everything at this point is speculation. whats the point of being on this board talkin about the draft then.

its speculation that leinart will go top 15, so should we talk about him being there at 16?

Of course it's all speculation... so I'm not sure why you so definitively believe that a lot of GMs think Cutler is a top ten pick and this very poor performance doesn't hurt that status.

tmny99
01-28-2006, 07:14 PM
I hope Croyle gets some more action in this game.

dolphan117
01-28-2006, 07:15 PM
Actually, isn't his inconsistent accuracy what he was known for in college as well?Yeah that has been the knock on him. It concerns me some too. :(

PhinsRDbest
01-28-2006, 07:15 PM
Croyle went to the wrong side HHHHAAAAA!!!!!!! classic

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 07:17 PM
Of course it's all speculation... so I'm not sure why you so definitively believe that a lot of GMs think Cutler is a top ten pick and this very poor performance doesn't hurt that status.


im going on what other people are saying, who is interested in him and all.

Titans and Jets arent interested in him incase he drops to the 2nd round. have you heard of any teams 20-32 being interested in cutler?

Nappy Roots
01-28-2006, 07:18 PM
Yeah that has been the knock on him. It concerns me some too. :(


well there is difference with Cutler. Some people stat hes simply not accurate, which is completely false. Now he is inconsistant with his accuracy, which i believe can be fixed for the most part with his mechanics being corrected.

tmny99
01-28-2006, 07:19 PM
Thank you!!