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tylerdolphin
01-29-2006, 06:48 PM
Its been 3 years. Who screwed up in the 1st round? Who hit it big?
1. Carson Palmer - QB Bengals
2. Charles Rogers - WR Lions
3. Andre Johnson - WR Texans
4. DeWayne Robertson - DT Jets
5. terrence Newman - CB Dallas
6. Jonathan Sullivan - DT Saints
7. Byron Leftwich - QB Jaguars
8. Jordan Gross - OT Panthers
9. Keven Williams - DT Vikings
10. Terrel Suggs - DE Ravens
11. Marcus Trufant - CB Seahawks
12. Jimmy Kennedy - DT Rams
13. Ty Warren - DT Pats
14. Micheal Haynes - DE Bears
15. Jerome McDougle - DE Eagles
16. Troy Polamalu - SS Steelers
17. Bryant Johnson - WR Cardinals
18. Calvin Pace - DE Cardinals
19. Kyle Boller - QB Ravens
20. George Foster - OT Broncos
21. Jeff Faine - C Browns
22. Rex Grossman - QB Bears
23. Willis McGahee - RB Bills
24. Dallas Clark - TE Colts
25. William Joseph - DT Giants
26. Kwame Harris - OT 49ers
27. Larry Johnson - RB Chiefs
28. Andre Wolfolk - CB Titans
29. Nick Barnett - LB Packers (only LB taken in rd.1)
30. Sammy Davis - CB Chargers
31. Nnamdi Asomugha - CB Riaders
32. Tyler Brayton - DE Raiders

mia4ever
01-29-2006, 06:49 PM
Its been 3 years. Who screwed up in the 1st round? Who hit it big?
1CincinnatiCarson PalmerQBSouthern California2DetroitCharles RogersWRMichigan State3HoustonAndre JohnsonWRMiami4N.Y. JetsDewayne RobertsonDTKentucky5DallasTerence NewmanCBKansas State6New OrleansJohnathan SullivanDTGeorgia7JacksonvilleByron LeftwichQBMarshall8CarolinaJordan GrossTUtah9MinnesotaKevin WilliamsDTOklahoma State10BaltimoreTerrell SuggsOLBArizona State11SeattleMarcus TrufantCBWashington State12St. LouisJimmy KennedyDTPenn State13New EnglandTy WarrenDETexas A&M14ChicagoMichael HaynesDEPenn State15PhiladelphiaJerome McDougleDEMiami16PittsburghTroy PolamaluSSSouthern California17ArizonaBryant JohnsonWRPenn State18ArizonaCalvin PaceDEWake Forest19BaltimoreKyle BollerQBCalifornia20DenverGeorge FosterTGeorgia21ClevelandJeff FaineCNotre Dame22ChicagoRex GrossmanQBFlorida23BuffaloWillis McGaheeRBMiami24IndianapolisDallas ClarkTEIowa25N.Y. GiantsWilliam JosephDTMiami26San FranciscoKwame HarrisTStanford27Kansas CityLarry JohnsonRBPenn State28TennesseeAndre WoolfolkCBOklahoma29Green BayNick BarnettMLBOregon State30San DiegoSammy DavisCBTexas A&M31OaklandNnamdi AsomughaCBCalifornia32OaklandTyler BraytonDEColorado


my choice is sgdhhjjhjyshshtjjjjnhhdthbdcfhdznbzngjzxZGBzhH!

and he suck :sidelol:

tylerdolphin
01-29-2006, 06:54 PM
LOL. Its kinda got screwed. I had them each on a separate line when I posted and somehow they got jammed...

dm416
01-29-2006, 06:54 PM
Charles Rogers stood out as the biggest bust

Miami_Dolphins
01-29-2006, 07:04 PM
troy polamalu...what a great pick

finfan54
01-29-2006, 07:08 PM
are you saying carson palmer is a bust?

jtsacksyou
01-29-2006, 07:10 PM
Its been 3 years. Who screwed up in the 1st round? Who hit it big?
1 Cincinnati Carson Palmer QB Southern California
2 DetroitCharles Rogers WR Michigan State
3 Houston Andre Johnson WR Miami
4 N.Y. Jets Dewayne Robertson DT Kentucky
5 Dallas Terence Newman CB Kansas State
6 New Orleans Johnathan Sullivan DT Georgia
7 Jacksonville Byron Leftwich QB Marshall
8 Carolina Jordan Gross T Utah
9 Minnesota Kevin Williams DT Oklahoma State
10 BaltimoreTerrell Suggs OLB Arizona State
11 Seattle Marcus Trufant CB Washington State
12 St. Louis Jimmy Kennedy DT Penn State
13 New England Ty Warren DE Texas A&M
14 Chicago Michael Haynes DE Penn State
15 Philadelphia Jerome McDougle DE Miami
16 PittsburghTroy Polamalu SS Southern California
17Arizona Bryant Johnson WR Penn State
18Arizona Calvin Pace DE Wake Forest
19 Baltimore Kyle Boller QBCalifornia
20 Denver George Foster T Georgia
21 Cleveland Jeff Faine C Notre Dame
22 Chicago Rex Grossman QB Florida
23 Buffalo Willis McGahee RB Miami
24 Indianapolis Dallas Clark TE Iowa
25 N.Y. Giants William Joseph DT Miami
26 San Francisco Kwame Harris T Stanford
27 Kansas City Larry Johnson RB Penn State
28 Tennessee Andre Woolfolk CB Oklahoma
29 Green Bay Nick Barnett MLB Oregon State
30 San Diego Sammy Davis CB Texas A&M
31 Oakland Nnamdi Asomugha CB California
32 Oakland Tyler Brayton DE Colorado
there you go

MiamiDolphins34
01-29-2006, 07:11 PM
my choice is sgdhhjjhjyshshtjjjjnhhdthbdcfhdznbzngjzxZGBzhH!

and he suck :sidelol:

:sidelol:

Jaj
01-29-2006, 07:13 PM
I'd be interested in Jonathan Sullivan if he's released by the Saints. Saban could turn him around or atleast make him a good rotational player.

jtsacksyou
01-29-2006, 07:20 PM
good picks bold
bust underlined
best pick bold italicized
all IMO
some players i dont know... and some i feel are neither good nor bad picks and left them alone

1 Cincinnati Carson Palmer QB Southern California
2 Detroit Charles Rogers WR Michigan State
3 Houston Andre Johnson WR Miami
4 N.Y. Jets Dewayne Robertson DT Kentucky
5 Dallas Terence Newman CB Kansas State
6 New Orleans Johnathan Sullivan DT Georgia
7 Jacksonville Byron Leftwich QB Marshall
8 Carolina Jordan Gross T Utah
9 Minnesota Kevin Williams DT Oklahoma State
10 BaltimoreTerrell Suggs OLB Arizona State
11 Seattle Marcus Trufant CB Washington State
12 St. Louis Jimmy Kennedy DT Penn State
13 New England Ty Warren DE Texas A&M
14 Chicago Michael Haynes DE Penn State
15 Philadelphia Jerome McDougle DE Miami
16 Pittsburgh Troy Polamalu SS Southern California
17 Arizona Bryant Johnson WR Penn State
18 Arizona Calvin Pace DE Wake Forest
19 Baltimore Kyle Boller QB California (on his way to busting)
20 Denver George Foster T Georgia
21 Cleveland Jeff Faine C Notre Dame
22 Chicago Rex Grossman QB Florida
23 Buffalo Willis McGahee RB Miami
24 Indianapolis Dallas Clark TE Iowa
25 N.Y. Giants William Joseph DT Miami
26 San Francisco Kwame Harris T Stanford
27 Kansas City Larry Johnson RB Penn State
28 Tennessee Andre Woolfolk CB Oklahoma
29 Green Bay Nick Barnett MLB Oregon State
30 San Diego Sammy Davis CB Texas A&M
31 Oakland Nnamdi Asomugha CB California
32 Oakland Tyler Brayton DE Colorado

mia4ever
01-29-2006, 07:29 PM
i Concur :dolphins:

Pennington's Rocket Arm
01-29-2006, 09:28 PM
good picks bold
bust underlined
best pick bold italicized
all IMO
some players i dont know... and some i feel are neither good nor bad picks and left them alone

1 Cincinnati Carson Palmer QB Southern California
2 Detroit Charles Rogers WR Michigan State
3 Houston Andre Johnson WR Miami
4 N.Y. Jets Dewayne Robertson DT Kentucky
5 Dallas Terence Newman CB Kansas State
6 New Orleans Johnathan Sullivan DT Georgia
7 Jacksonville Byron Leftwich QB Marshall
8 Carolina Jordan Gross T Utah
9 Minnesota Kevin Williams DT Oklahoma State
10 BaltimoreTerrell Suggs OLB Arizona State
11 Seattle Marcus Trufant CB Washington State
12 St. Louis Jimmy Kennedy DT Penn State
13 New England Ty Warren DE Texas A&M
14 Chicago Michael Haynes DE Penn State
15 Philadelphia Jerome McDougle DE Miami
16 Pittsburgh Troy Polamalu SS Southern California
17 Arizona Bryant Johnson WR Penn State
18 Arizona Calvin Pace DE Wake Forest
19 Baltimore Kyle Boller QB California (on his way to busting)
20 Denver George Foster T Georgia
21 Cleveland Jeff Faine C Notre Dame
22 Chicago Rex Grossman QB Florida
23 Buffalo Willis McGahee RB Miami
24 Indianapolis Dallas Clark TE Iowa
25 N.Y. Giants William Joseph DT Miami
26 San Francisco Kwame Harris T Stanford
27 Kansas City Larry Johnson RB Penn State
28 Tennessee Andre Woolfolk CB Oklahoma
29 Green Bay Nick Barnett MLB Oregon State
30 San Diego Sammy Davis CB Texas A&M
31 Oakland Nnamdi Asomugha CB California
32 Oakland Tyler Brayton DE Colorado
dewayne robertson a bust??? he's one of the best DT's in the game.

SMadison29
01-29-2006, 10:12 PM
dewayne robertson a bust??? he's one of the best DT's in the game.

No he's not, he's fat, slow, & not a factor in stopping the run.

SMadison29
01-29-2006, 10:18 PM
Best pick of the draft
Good players
Busts
Verdict is still out

1. Carson Palmer - QB Bengals
2. Charles Rogers - WR Lions
3. Andre Johnson - WR Texans
4. DeWayne Robertson - DT Jets
5. Terrence Newman - CB Dallas
6. Jonathan Sullivan - DT Saints
7. Byron Leftwich - QB Jaguars
8. Jordan Gross - OT Panthers
9. Kevin Williams - DT Vikings
10. Terrel Suggs - DE Ravens
11. Marcus Trufant - CB Seahawks
12. Jimmy Kennedy - DT Rams
13. Ty Warren - DT Pats
14. Micheal Haynes - DE Bears
15. Jerome McDougle - DE Eagles
16. Troy Polamalu - SS Steelers
17. Bryant Johnson - WR Cardinals
18. Calvin Pace - DE Cardinals
19. Kyle Boller - QB Ravens
20. George Foster - OT Broncos
21. Jeff Faine - C Browns
22. Rex Grossman - QB Bears
23. Willis McGahee - RB Bills
24. Dallas Clark - TE Colts
25. William Joseph - DT Giants
26. Kwame Harris - OT 49ers
27. Larry Johnson - RB Chiefs
28. Andre Wolfolk - CB Titans
29. Nick Barnett - LB Packers (only LB taken in rd.1)
30. Sammy Davis - CB Chargers
31. Nnamdi Asomugha - CB Raiders
32. Tyler Brayton - DE Raiders

flintsilver7
01-29-2006, 10:26 PM
Dewayne Robertson is by no means a bust.

Bryant Johnson played one season as a #2 with a horrible quarterback and one season as a #3 with a decent quarterback. He has put pretty good numbers on his team - he had 40 catches this season on a team with two 100-reception players.

Neither Ty Warren nor Jerome McDougle have done anything to warrant them being good picks. Similarly, Rex Grossman's 68.8 QB rating leads me to believe that he is a bust. Even Kyle Boller has better stats.

I'd take Larry Johnson as the best pick by far in that draft (aside from Palmer, of course) and consider removing Clark. Bryan Fletcher did pretty well with Manning throwing to him, and who the hell is Bryan Fletcher?

CD13
01-29-2006, 11:32 PM
good picks bold
bust underlined
best pick bold italicized
all IMO
some players i dont know... and some i feel are neither good nor bad picks and left them alone

1 Cincinnati Carson Palmer QB Southern California
2 Detroit Charles Rogers WR Michigan State
3 Houston Andre Johnson WR Miami
4 N.Y. Jets Dewayne Robertson DT Kentucky
5 Dallas Terence Newman CB Kansas State
6 New Orleans Johnathan Sullivan DT Georgia
7 Jacksonville Byron Leftwich QB Marshall
8 Carolina Jordan Gross T Utah
9 Minnesota Kevin Williams DT Oklahoma State
10 BaltimoreTerrell Suggs OLB Arizona State
11 Seattle Marcus Trufant CB Washington State
12 St. Louis Jimmy Kennedy DT Penn State
13 New England Ty Warren DE Texas A&M
14 Chicago Michael Haynes DE Penn State
15 Philadelphia Jerome McDougle DE Miami
16 Pittsburgh Troy Polamalu SS Southern California
17 Arizona Bryant Johnson WR Penn State
18 Arizona Calvin Pace DE Wake Forest
19 Baltimore Kyle Boller QB California (on his way to busting)
20 Denver George Foster T Georgia
21 Cleveland Jeff Faine C Notre Dame
22 Chicago Rex Grossman QB Florida
23 Buffalo Willis McGahee RB Miami
24 Indianapolis Dallas Clark TE Iowa
25 N.Y. Giants William Joseph DT Miami
26 San Francisco Kwame Harris T Stanford
27 Kansas City Larry Johnson RB Penn State
28 Tennessee Andre Woolfolk CB Oklahoma
29 Green Bay Nick Barnett MLB Oregon State
30 San Diego Sammy Davis CB Texas A&M
31 Oakland Nnamdi Asomugha CB California
32 Oakland Tyler Brayton DE Colorado

Well I would agree with most, I still think I would rate Palmer, and LJ as better picks than Troy

jtsacksyou
01-29-2006, 11:35 PM
Well I would agree with most, I still think I would rate Palmer, and LJ as better picks than Troy
i know what u mean.. i just think to get that good of a player where they did makes it an unbelievable pick. hes the soul of that defense.

Amars
01-30-2006, 01:29 AM
LJ, Palmer and Troy Pal. are the best picks.

GridIronKing34
01-30-2006, 01:44 AM
When I think of the 2003 Draft, I think of me wanting Miami to get Bob Sanders from Iowa. Because he was amazing in college, and look at him now. I'm from Iowa myself so a little bias there, but none the less, he's still an amazing player.

cowtowndick
01-30-2006, 02:09 AM
the '03 draft is very painful. why didn't we have a #1 that year? no #1, #2 eddie moore, #3 wade smith, #3 taylor whitney, #5 donald lee..... ouch.

Jaj
01-30-2006, 02:33 AM
When I think of the 2003 Draft, I think of me wanting Miami to get Bob Sanders from Iowa. Because he was amazing in college, and look at him now. I'm from Iowa myself so a little bias there, but none the less, he's still an amazing player.

That was 04. I wanted Mike Doss in 03.

Flying Pencil
01-30-2006, 02:40 AM
the '03 draft is very painful. why didn't we have a #1 that year? no #1, #2 eddie moore, #3 wade smith, #3 taylor whitney, #5 donald lee..... ouch.

We gave up 2002's 1st Round pick and a conditional 2003 pick for Ricky Williams. Wanny and Ray Lucas (and end-of-season Jay) managed to put together a 2002 season that left us out of the playoffs, ran Ricky into the ground (500 fewer yards and 1.3 fewer ypc the next season), and gave Ricky enough yardage to make 2003's conditional pick a 1st Rounder.

Jaj
01-30-2006, 02:43 AM
Even with the lack of picks the average draftnick fan could have had a better draft than that moron. I remember him saying we didn't get the brand name or flashy players, but just real quality guys or some crap like that. Dumbest thing I've ever heard...

cowtowndick
01-30-2006, 02:51 AM
We gave up 2002's 1st Round pick and a conditional 2003 pick for Ricky Williams. Wanny and Ray Lucas (and end-of-season Jay) managed to put together a 2002 season that left us out of the playoffs, ran Ricky into the ground (500 fewer yards and 1.3 fewer ypc the next season), and gave Ricky enough yardage to make 2003's conditional pick a 1st Rounder.

that's right, thanks for the reminder.

HysterikiLL
01-30-2006, 03:15 AM
good picks bold
bust underlined
best pick bold italicized
all IMO
some players i dont know... and some i feel are neither good nor bad picks and left them alone

1 Cincinnati Carson Palmer QB Southern California
2 Detroit Charles Rogers WR Michigan State
3 Houston Andre Johnson WR Miami
4 N.Y. Jets Dewayne Robertson DT Kentucky
5 Dallas Terence Newman CB Kansas State
6 New Orleans Johnathan Sullivan DT Georgia
7 Jacksonville Byron Leftwich QB Marshall
8 Carolina Jordan Gross T Utah
9 Minnesota Kevin Williams DT Oklahoma State
10 BaltimoreTerrell Suggs OLB Arizona State
11 Seattle Marcus Trufant CB Washington State
12 St. Louis Jimmy Kennedy DT Penn State
13 New England Ty Warren DE Texas A&M
14 Chicago Michael Haynes DE Penn State
15 Philadelphia Jerome McDougle DE Miami
16 Pittsburgh Troy Polamalu SS Southern California
17 Arizona Bryant Johnson WR Penn State
18 Arizona Calvin Pace DE Wake Forest
19 Baltimore Kyle Boller QB California (on his way to busting)
20 Denver George Foster T Georgia
21 Cleveland Jeff Faine C Notre Dame
22 Chicago Rex Grossman QB Florida
23 Buffalo Willis McGahee RB Miami
24 Indianapolis Dallas Clark TE Iowa
25 N.Y. Giants William Joseph DT Miami
26 San Francisco Kwame Harris T Stanford
27 Kansas City Larry Johnson RB Penn State
28 Tennessee Andre Woolfolk CB Oklahoma
29 Green Bay Nick Barnett MLB Oregon State
30 San Diego Sammy Davis CB Texas A&M
31 Oakland Nnamdi Asomugha CB California
32 Oakland Tyler Brayton DE Colorado

Spot on except I'd say Leftwich was a good pick as was the majority starter in an 11-5 season this year.

rafael
01-30-2006, 08:39 AM
troy polamalu...what a great pick

I wanted Polamalu in that draft, but the RW's trade left us with no shot.

EBMisfit
01-30-2006, 09:17 AM
I remember him saying we didn't get the brand name or flashy players, but just real quality guys or some crap like that. Dumbest thing I've ever heard...

Seems pretty much how the Pats are put together (unless you mean the dumb part of his statement was that the 'Phins got quality guys).

McDuffie81
01-30-2006, 09:47 AM
I waited hours to see Eddie Moore get picked. I just told myself "Well, they must know something I dont. THEY are the football experts, not me." :rofl:

RunningBackGuru
01-30-2006, 10:29 AM
Boller and Rogers are the 2 biggest busts.

Itsdahumidity
01-30-2006, 11:28 AM
Dewayne Robertson is by no means a bust.

Although this thread IMO is one yr too early, robertson is definitely headed in that direction. It's all about the return on your investment and remember the

jests spent TWO 1st rd picks on him. Yes, it's not his fault their FO were idiots to do so (and to a lesser extent like spielman trading a pick for Carey), but he

was picked in the top five and his play has failed to come anywhere close to justifying that selection.

btw - where does robertson fit in their new scheme? He has no place so the potential for a colossal bust looms.

Phishstix
01-30-2006, 11:33 AM
Dewayne Robertson is by no means a bust.

Bryant Johnson played one season as a #2 with a horrible quarterback and one season as a #3 with a decent quarterback. He has put pretty good numbers on his team - he had 40 catches this season on a team with two 100-reception players.

Neither Ty Warren nor Jerome McDougle have done anything to warrant them being good picks. Similarly, Rex Grossman's 68.8 QB rating leads me to believe that he is a bust. Even Kyle Boller has better stats.


ty warren has been a two year starter for the patriots. he's a steady player- not a star by any means, but he's solid. also, you make all of these excuses for bryant johnson then call rex grossman, someone who has 8 career starts and has missed most of two seasons w/ injuries a bust. why doesn't grossman get the same concessions?

Retnuhrace
01-30-2006, 11:38 AM
The busts look like:

2. Charles Rogers - WR Lions
4. DeWayne Robertson - DT Jets
6. Jonathan Sullivan - DT Saints
12. Jimmy Kennedy - DT Rams
14. Micheal Haynes - DE Bears
15. Jerome McDougle - DE Eagles
17. Bryant Johnson - WR Cardinals
18. Calvin Pace - DE Cardinals
19. Kyle Boller - QB Ravens
25. William Joseph - DT Giants
28. Andre Wolfolk - CB Titans

MiamiDolphins34
01-30-2006, 11:48 AM
good picks bold
bust underlined
best pick bold italicized
all IMO
some players i dont know... and some i feel are neither good nor bad picks and left them alone

1 Cincinnati Carson Palmer QB Southern California
2 Detroit Charles Rogers WR Michigan State
3 Houston Andre Johnson WR Miami
4 N.Y. Jets Dewayne Robertson DT Kentucky
5 Dallas Terence Newman CB Kansas State
6 New Orleans Johnathan Sullivan DT Georgia
7 Jacksonville Byron Leftwich QB Marshall
8 Carolina Jordan Gross T Utah
9 Minnesota Kevin Williams DT Oklahoma State
10 BaltimoreTerrell Suggs OLB Arizona State
11 Seattle Marcus Trufant CB Washington State
12 St. Louis Jimmy Kennedy DT Penn State
13 New England Ty Warren DE Texas A&M
14 Chicago Michael Haynes DE Penn State
15 Philadelphia Jerome McDougle DE Miami
16 Pittsburgh Troy Polamalu SS Southern California
17 Arizona Bryant Johnson WR Penn State
18 Arizona Calvin Pace DE Wake Forest
19 Baltimore Kyle Boller QB California (on his way to busting)
20 Denver George Foster T Georgia
21 Cleveland Jeff Faine C Notre Dame
22 Chicago Rex Grossman QB Florida
23 Buffalo Willis McGahee RB Miami
24 Indianapolis Dallas Clark TE Iowa
25 N.Y. Giants William Joseph DT Miami
26 San Francisco Kwame Harris T Stanford
27 Kansas City Larry Johnson RB Penn State
28 Tennessee Andre Woolfolk CB Oklahoma
29 Green Bay Nick Barnett MLB Oregon State
30 San Diego Sammy Davis CB Texas A&M
31 Oakland Nnamdi Asomugha CB California
32 Oakland Tyler Brayton DE Colorado

Wasnt Mcdougle a bust in Philly?

MiamiDolphins34
01-30-2006, 11:48 AM
The busts look like:

2. Charles Rogers - WR Lions
4. DeWayne Robertson - DT Jets
6. Jonathan Sullivan - DT Saints
12. Jimmy Kennedy - DT Rams
14. Micheal Haynes - DE Bears
15. Jerome McDougle - DE Eagles
17. Bryant Johnson - WR Cardinals
18. Calvin Pace - DE Cardinals
19. Kyle Boller - QB Ravens
25. William Joseph - DT Giants
28. Andre Wolfolk - CB Titans

I wish we had "bust" DWayne Robertson.

MiamiDolphins34
01-30-2006, 11:50 AM
Well I would agree with most, I still think I would rate Palmer, and LJ as better picks than Troy

Troy Polamalu is da ****

Pennington's Rocket Arm
01-30-2006, 11:51 AM
No he's not, he's fat, slow, & not a factor in stopping the run.
boy, that's simply not true.

MiamiDolphins34
01-30-2006, 11:54 AM
Dewayne Robertson is by no means a bust.

Bryant Johnson played one season as a #2 with a horrible quarterback and one season as a #3 with a decent quarterback. He has put pretty good numbers on his team - he had 40 catches this season on a team with two 100-reception players.

Neither Ty Warren nor Jerome McDougle have done anything to warrant them being good picks. Similarly, Rex Grossman's 68.8 QB rating leads me to believe that he is a bust. Even Kyle Boller has better stats.

I'd take Larry Johnson as the best pick by far in that draft (aside from Palmer, of course) and consider removing Clark. Bryan Fletcher did pretty well with Manning throwing to him, and who the hell is Bryan Fletcher?

Ty Warren is a pretty good DT.LJ looks good(and is good) cuz of the chiefs oline is amazing but no way the best pick.

MiamiDolphins34
01-30-2006, 11:57 AM
No he's not, he's fat, slow, & not a factor in stopping the run.

Smad he may not be good stopping the run but hes fast and gets good penetration :tongue:

MiamiDolphins34
01-30-2006, 11:58 AM
good picks bold
bust underlined
best pick bold italicized
all IMO
some players i dont know... and some i feel are neither good nor bad picks and left them alone

1 Cincinnati Carson Palmer QB Southern California
2 Detroit Charles Rogers WR Michigan State
3 Houston Andre Johnson WR Miami
4 N.Y. Jets Dewayne Robertson DT Kentucky
5 Dallas Terence Newman CB Kansas State
6 New Orleans Johnathan Sullivan DT Georgia
7 Jacksonville Byron Leftwich QB Marshall
8 Carolina Jordan Gross T Utah
9 Minnesota Kevin Williams DT Oklahoma State
10 BaltimoreTerrell Suggs OLB Arizona State
11 Seattle Marcus Trufant CB Washington State
12 St. Louis Jimmy Kennedy DT Penn State
13 New England Ty Warren DE Texas A&M
14 Chicago Michael Haynes DE Penn State
15 Philadelphia Jerome McDougle DE Miami
16 Pittsburgh Troy Polamalu SS Southern California
17 Arizona Bryant Johnson WR Penn State
18 Arizona Calvin Pace DE Wake Forest
19 Baltimore Kyle Boller QB California (on his way to busting)
20 Denver George Foster T Georgia
21 Cleveland Jeff Faine C Notre Dame
22 Chicago Rex Grossman QB Florida
23 Buffalo Willis McGahee RB Miami
24 Indianapolis Dallas Clark TE Iowa
25 N.Y. Giants William Joseph DT Miami
26 San Francisco Kwame Harris T Stanford
27 Kansas City Larry Johnson RB Penn State
28 Tennessee Andre Woolfolk CB Oklahoma
29 Green Bay Nick Barnett MLB Oregon State
30 San Diego Sammy Davis CB Texas A&M
31 Oakland Nnamdi Asomugha CB California
32 Oakland Tyler Brayton DE Colorado

Boller on his way to busting? He busted already :wink:

MiamiDolphins34
01-30-2006, 12:02 PM
Even with the lack of picks the average draftnick fan could have had a better draft than that moron. I remember him saying we didn't get the brand name or flashy players, but just real quality guys or some crap like that. Dumbest thing I've ever heard...

Freakin dumbstedt :sidelol: he screwed us over good.Miss ya wannyball :lol:

Canadi-Phin
01-30-2006, 12:27 PM
I find it very interesting how bad the DE in that draft turned out. Most of them have sucked. Just a little observation

Canadi-Phin
01-30-2006, 12:30 PM
if you feel the 2003 draft is to early lets take a look at the 2002 draft.

1 Houston David Carr QB Fresno State
2 Carolina Julius Peppers DE North Carolina Amazing pick
3 Detroit Joey Harrington QB Oregon
4 Buffalo Mike Williams T Texas
5 San Diego Quentin Jammer CB Texas
6 Kansas City Ryan Sims DT North Carolina
7 Minnesota Bryant McKinnie T Miami
8 Dallas Roy Williams FS Oklahoma Very good pick
9 Jacksonville John Henderson DT Tennessee Great pick
10 Cincinnati Levi Jones T Arizona State
11 Indianapolis Dwight Freeney DE Syracuse Great pick
12 Arizona Wendell Bryant DT Wisconsin
13 New Orleans Donte' Stallworth WR Tennessee
14 N.Y. Giants Jeremy Shockey TE Miami
15 Tennessee Albert Haynesworth DT Tennessee
16 Cleveland William Green RB Boston College
17 Oakland Phillip Buchanon CB Miami
18 Atlanta T.J. Duckett RB Michigan State
19 Denver Ashley Lelie WR Hawaii
20 Green Bay Javon Walker WR Florida State
21 New England Daniel Graham TE Colorado
22 N.Y. Jets Bryan Thomas DE Ala.-Birmingham
23 Oakland Napoleon Harris ILB Northwestern
24 Baltimore Ed Reed SS Miami Unbelievable pick, best value in the first round.
25 New Orleans Charles Grant DE Georgia
26 Philadelphia Lito Sheppard CB Florida
27 San Francisco Mike Rumph CB Miami
28 Seattle Jerramy Stevens TE Washington
29 Chicago Marc Colombo T Boston College
30 Pittsburgh Kendall Simmons G Auburn
31 St. Louis Robert Thomas MLB UCLA
32 Washington Patrick Ramsey QB Tulane

Canadi-Phin
01-30-2006, 12:35 PM
Some other value picks from the 2002 draft. how about David Givens in the 7th, what a great pick. Damn Pats

44 New Orleans LeCharles Bentley C Ohio State
51 Denver Clinton Portis RB Miami
58 Philadelphia Michael Lewis SS Colorado
62 Pittsburgh Antwaan Randle El WR Indiana
73 Carolina Will Witherspoon OLB Georgia
91 Philadelphia Brian Westbrook RB Villanova
114 Miami Randy McMichael TE Georgia
156 Green Bay Aaron Kampman DE Iowa
253 New England David Givens WR Notre Dame

flintsilver7
01-30-2006, 12:47 PM
ty warren has been a two year starter for the patriots. he's a steady player- not a star by any means, but he's solid. also, you make all of these excuses for bryant johnson then call rex grossman, someone who has 8 career starts and has missed most of two seasons w/ injuries a bust. why doesn't grossman get the same concessions?

Ty Warren has been a starter, but not a star. He's an average player. For a 3-4 DE, he gets very few sacks. He's pretty good against the run, but he pales so much in comparison to Seymour. He's not a bust, but I wouldn't say he's a good pick either. Six sacks in three years is pedestrian at best.

Grossman is bad. I don't know what people see in him. He's got about half a season's worth of play - maybe a little less - with 4 TDs and 6 INTs. He's not accurate. His rating is 68.8. He's done nothing to warrant him being anything other than a first-round QB bust. If you're cutting him slack for being injured, then you had better consider Charles Rogers a "jury out" guy. He's done much better than Grossman (relatively) when he's been healthy.

I can't blame Bryant Johnson for what his quarterbacks do. When he's thrown the ball, he usually catches it. Johnson wasn't touted as a gamebreaker type of receiver. He is what he was in college. He's doing exactly what should've been expected of him. Boldin turned out to be a freak, and Larry Fitzgerald was more or less a can't-miss pick. Only this year did he have any kind of quarterback consistency - and even then that's not saying much. He's not going to excel in Arizona because there's about a 50% chance that a thrown ball is headed towards Boldin or Fitzgerald. The Cardinals had 669 pass attempts, with 336 headed towards Boldin and Fitzgerald.

flintsilver7
01-30-2006, 12:52 PM
if you feel the 2003 draft is to early lets take a look at the 2002 draft.

1 Houston David Carr QB Fresno State
2 Carolina Julius Peppers DE North Carolina Amazing pick
3 Detroit Joey Harrington QB Oregon
4 Buffalo Mike Williams T Texas
5 San Diego Quentin Jammer CB Texas
6 Kansas City Ryan Sims DT North Carolina
7 Minnesota Bryant McKinnie T Miami
8 Dallas Roy Williams FS Oklahoma Very good pick
9 Jacksonville John Henderson DT Tennessee Great pick
10 Cincinnati Levi Jones T Arizona State
11 Indianapolis Dwight Freeney DE Syracuse Great pick
12 Arizona Wendell Bryant DT Wisconsin
13 New Orleans Donte' Stallworth WR Tennessee
14 N.Y. Giants Jeremy Shockey TE Miami
15 Tennessee Albert Haynesworth DT Tennessee
16 Cleveland William Green RB Boston College
17 Oakland Phillip Buchanon CB Miami
18 Atlanta T.J. Duckett RB Michigan State
19 Denver Ashley Lelie WR Hawaii
20 Green Bay Javon Walker WR Florida State
21 New England Daniel Graham TE Colorado
22 N.Y. Jets Bryan Thomas DE Ala.-Birmingham
23 Oakland Napoleon Harris ILB Northwestern
24 Baltimore Ed Reed SS Miami Unbelievable pick, best value in the first round.
25 New Orleans Charles Grant DE Georgia
26 Philadelphia Lito Sheppard CB Florida
27 San Francisco Mike Rumph CB Miami
28 Seattle Jerramy Stevens TE Washington
29 Chicago Marc Colombo T Boston College
30 Pittsburgh Kendall Simmons G Auburn
31 St. Louis Robert Thomas MLB UCLA
32 Washington Patrick Ramsey QB Tulane

You're forgetting a few people, like Bryant McKinnie, Levi Jones, Albert Haynesworth, T.J. Duckett, Charles Grant, Lito Sheppard, Kendall Simmons, and most notably Javon Walker.

flintsilver7
01-30-2006, 01:04 PM
The busts look like:

2. Charles Rogers - WR Lions
4. DeWayne Robertson - DT Jets
6. Jonathan Sullivan - DT Saints
12. Jimmy Kennedy - DT Rams
14. Micheal Haynes - DE Bears
15. Jerome McDougle - DE Eagles
17. Bryant Johnson - WR Cardinals
18. Calvin Pace - DE Cardinals
19. Kyle Boller - QB Ravens
25. William Joseph - DT Giants
28. Andre Wolfolk - CB Titans

I'd take "bust" Jimmy Kennedy, who is on a mostly bad line in St. Louis. He's got Leonard Little, an alcoholic DE who really can't stop the run. He's got Anthony Hargrove, who is starting to improve but still is weak against the run. Ryan Pickett is OK but can't get off a block to save his life. If there are two players worth keeping from that line, it's Kennedy and Hargrove.

Nobody doubts the worth of Kevin Williams, yet Minnesota is bad against the run. Running to the inside, they're almost identical. St. Louis is much better at stopping the short inside run. Kennedy had as many sacks last year as John Henderson in less time, and St. Louis was better at stuffing the run and stopping the run inside. St. Louis was dead last against the run, but it wasn't inside. The ends - ESPECIALLY Little - are horrible against the run, and the Rams have no good linebackers. I watched team after team run to the outside on the Rams time after time. It worked and they couldn't stop it.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl.php

If you doubt these stats, look at them. Miami's weakest spot was the right end. Its two best spots were up the middle (best in the league, thanks to Keith Traylor) and the left end (thanks to Taylor). Right tackle was weakest, probably due to rookie Roth and the DE rotation we used. Overall, due to a strong LB core and a strong line, Miami was 3rd in the league.

Canadi-Phin
01-30-2006, 01:10 PM
You're forgetting a few people, like Bryant McKinnie, Levi Jones, Albert Haynesworth, T.J. Duckett, Charles Grant, Lito Sheppard, Kendall Simmons, and most notably Javon Walker.

I didn't forget these guys, just noted a few of the most outstanding guys. All the guys you mentioned are good as well.

dominizzo
01-30-2006, 01:12 PM
Best pick of the draft
Good players
Busts
Verdict is still out

1. Carson Palmer - QB Bengals
2. Charles Rogers - WR Lions
3. Andre Johnson - WR Texans
4. DeWayne Robertson - DT Jets
5. Terrence Newman - CB Dallas
6. Jonathan Sullivan - DT Saints
7. Byron Leftwich - QB Jaguars
8. Jordan Gross - OT Panthers
9. Kevin Williams - DT Vikings
10. Terrel Suggs - DE Ravens
11. Marcus Trufant - CB Seahawks
12. Jimmy Kennedy - DT Rams
13. Ty Warren - DT Pats
14. Micheal Haynes - DE Bears
15. Jerome McDougle - DE Eagles
16. Troy Polamalu - SS Steelers
17. Bryant Johnson - WR Cardinals
18. Calvin Pace - DE Cardinals
19. Kyle Boller - QB Ravens
20. George Foster - OT Broncos
21. Jeff Faine - C Browns
22. Rex Grossman - QB Bears
23. Willis McGahee - RB Bills
24. Dallas Clark - TE Colts
25. William Joseph - DT Giants
26. Kwame Harris - OT 49ers
27. Larry Johnson - RB Chiefs
28. Andre Wolfolk - CB Titans
29. Nick Barnett - LB Packers (only LB taken in rd.1)
30. Sammy Davis - CB Chargers
31. Nnamdi Asomugha - CB Raiders
32. Tyler Brayton - DE Raiders

Sorry but Polamalu is the best pick not good player:shakeno:

Kobe
01-30-2006, 04:48 PM
Sorry but Polamalu is the best pick not good player:shakeno:

Polamalu is Amazing, but you cant say he was a better pick than the Franchise QB in Carson Palmer.

Phishstix
01-30-2006, 05:44 PM
Ty Warren has been a starter, but not a star. He's an average player. For a 3-4 DE, he gets very few sacks. He's pretty good against the run, but he pales so much in comparison to Seymour. He's not a bust, but I wouldn't say he's a good pick either. Six sacks in three years is pedestrian at best.

Grossman is bad. I don't know what people see in him. He's got about half a season's worth of play - maybe a little less - with 4 TDs and 6 INTs. He's not accurate. His rating is 68.8. He's done nothing to warrant him being anything other than a first-round QB bust. If you're cutting him slack for being injured, then you had better consider Charles Rogers a "jury out" guy. He's done much better than Grossman (relatively) when he's been healthy.

I can't blame Bryant Johnson for what his quarterbacks do. When he's thrown the ball, he usually catches it. Johnson wasn't touted as a gamebreaker type of receiver. He is what he was in college. He's doing exactly what should've been expected of him. Boldin turned out to be a freak, and Larry Fitzgerald was more or less a can't-miss pick. Only this year did he have any kind of quarterback consistency - and even then that's not saying much. He's not going to excel in Arizona because there's about a 50% chance that a thrown ball is headed towards Boldin or Fitzgerald. The Cardinals had 669 pass attempts, with 336 headed towards Boldin and Fitzgerald.

warren is a gapper, the strong side end. he's not supposed to rack up sacks, that's the job of the olbs and the weak side end (seymour). i didn't say he was a star, but he's solid. i'd love to have him in miami.

i never labeled rodgers a bust. he and grossman are in the same boat- we don't know enough about them. it's the same w/ b. johnson. he has not proven to be anything more than a #3 wr, so his status doesn't warrant a worthy 1st rounder thus far.