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feelthepain
02-12-2006, 10:17 PM
Maybe consider voting on a montly basis on Mod performances. Reason, because some MODs need to be governed like the members to keep them from abusing their power and keep them in line aswell, remember the members aren't the only ones that step out of line. Just a thought, not only would it keep the Mods from thinking they are untouchable, but the members will have a little more interaction with the site and will feel like they have a little more importance to this site. It also helps the Mods realize their job is not a right, but a prvililege.

darkmistress
02-12-2006, 10:25 PM
Each mod is monitored by all other mods and admin. If they step out of line the problem caused will be fixed. (If it is in fact an actual problem). This way members can't just vote against a mod simply because that mod moved, edited or merged one of their threads and they're holding a grudge.

feelthepain
02-12-2006, 10:33 PM
This way members can't just vote against a mod simply because that mod moved, edited or merged one of their threads and they're holding a grudge.

Thats why voting should be installed. That way if one or two people have an issue with one Mod it won't be enough to dislodge that Mod. It would also expose patterns if Mods abuse their power because they would have more votes against them every month. However it would allow the masses to vote and Mods that always feel like they have to abuse their power it will be obvious. Remember not everyone complains when a mod steps out of line, but if a member was given the ability to vote It would be a little more likely that member steps forward. It also puts a little more on the Mods to do the right thing because if they know they could be voted out they won't just make snap decisions. Instead they will be forced to think before they react to insure the right decsion was made, IMO it's a win/ win idea. I'm sure the members would love the idea.

WharfRat
02-12-2006, 10:52 PM
FTP... it's just not going to happen.

feelthepain
02-12-2006, 11:02 PM
FTP... it's just not going to happen.


So by that I'm guessing you think it's a bad idea??

dolphan117
02-12-2006, 11:19 PM
I don't think it would help if the mods had to worry about repercussions from biter members every time they are forced to take action. There are some people who would hold grudges and start campaigns against a mod who gave him/her time off. It would create a bunch of "Finheaven Politics" and a great deal of drama IMO. I would rather just be able to talk to an admin if I felt a mod was abusing their power. That is how it is currently set up right? If a user felt a mod was being unfair he would PM an Admin?

feelthepain
02-12-2006, 11:23 PM
I don't think it would help if the mods had to worry about repercussions from biter members every time they are forced to take action. There are some people who would hold grudges and start campaigns against a mod who gave him/her time off. It would create a bunch of "Finheaven Politics" and a great deal of drama IMO. I would rather just be able to talk to an admin if I felt a mod was abusing their power. That is how it is currently set up right? If a user felt a mod was being unfair he would PM an Admin?


Really, maybe the NFL should chanage their policy on the Refs for the same reason!! Seems like anytime you have peolpe governing other people those people need to be governed themselves for obvious reasons. But this is the suggestion forum and all I'm doin is suggesting.

dolphan117
02-12-2006, 11:28 PM
Just my opinion, :confused2 as always I reserve the right to be wrong and or have no idea what I am talking about. :wink:

Edit-I guess my first post did come across kinda strong, I didn't mean to imply I am some kind of authority on this, it was just my opinion.

feelthepain
02-12-2006, 11:42 PM
Just my opinion, :confused2 as always I reserve the right to be wrong and or have no idea what I am talking about. :wink:


You're not wrong, your opinion is just as important as anyone elses it's an opinion there is no right or wrong. Sometimes ideas work and sometime they don't, but if you don't voice your opinion one things for sure, and that is nothing changes.

dolphan117
02-12-2006, 11:52 PM
You're not wrong, your opinion is just as important as anyone elses it's an opinion there is no right or wrong. Sometimes ideas work and sometime they don't, but if you don't voice your opinion one things for sure, and that is nothing changes.
:up:

Wildbill3
02-13-2006, 01:04 AM
in case anyone hasn't noticed, Finheaven is NOT a Democracy. It is a Dictatorship, with AJ at the top.

feelthepain
02-13-2006, 03:55 AM
in case anyone hasn't noticed, Finheaven is NOT a Democracy. It is a Dictatorship, with AJ at the top.


Since you're a Mod, you're obviously making light of this.

HysterikiLL
02-13-2006, 04:10 AM
in case anyone hasn't noticed, Finheaven is NOT a Democracy. It is a Dictatorship, with AJ at the top.

Except during 'Ricky Rumor Season' when it's communist rule ;)

Philter25
02-13-2006, 10:16 AM
in case anyone hasn't noticed, Finheaven is NOT a Democracy. It is a Dictatorship, with AJ at the top.:lol:

Wildbill3
02-13-2006, 11:05 AM
Since you're a Mod, you're obviously making light of this.I'm not making light of anything, being a mod is not a popularity contest, it's very difficult to do the job we do, esp. if we had to worry about being fired everytime we did something unpopular. Mods really are police, (and I don't care what your opinion of police is...) sometimes we get to be the nice cop who helps a little kid get her kitty cat out of tree, and other times we have to be ready to put a perp down, if you don't like it, there are plenty of other forums where anarchy rules.

Philter25
02-13-2006, 11:12 AM
sometimes we get to be the nice cop who helps a little kid get her kitty cat out of tree, and other times we have to be ready to put a perp down. :sidelol: internet analogies at its best.

NaboCane
02-13-2006, 11:16 AM
Except during 'Ricky Rumor Season' when it's communist rule ;)

:confused: But...it's Ricky rumor season all year...


:dolphins:

WharfRat
02-13-2006, 01:39 PM
So by that I'm guessing you think it's a bad idea??That would be correct.
If you feel you're being treated unfairly by a mod, then bring it to an Admin's attention. There is not reason to hold popularity contests among the staff.

feelthepain
02-13-2006, 01:58 PM
I'm not making light of anything, being a mod is not a popularity contest, it's very difficult to do the job we do, esp. if we had to worry about being fired everytime we did something unpopular. Mods really are police, (and I don't care what your opinion of police is...) sometimes we get to be the nice cop who helps a little kid get her kitty cat out of tree, and other times we have to be ready to put a perp down, if you don't like it, there are plenty of other forums where anarchy rules.


Whats the point in voicing an opinion in the "suggestion forum" to help make this site better for more then just the Mods, if everytime you open your mouth a rude, high an mighty Mod makes a statement such as this "if you don't like it, there are plenty of other forums where anarchy rules" I don't cause "anarchy" and I don't disrespect and I'm not rude, so why should I be subjected to the same treatment as those that do?? Are Mods and Admin the only ones with the brains to make suggestions are they the only ones that matter here?? Without the members you wouldn't be a Mod!!! I didn't suggest this to give you an excuse to be rude, infact it wasn't suggested to give the Mods another right or excuse to feel as thought they are in the trenches of Iraq, No it was because many times now I'm expereiencing Mods over stepping their boundries to flex their muscle because they feel invincible.

I'll promise you 99% of the time "I" have not said or done anything wrong to draw a rude sarcastic overbearing response or for the Mod to have an excuse to step in force something that wasn't called for that I seem to get, (Like the one in bold above) then if I respond feeling as though I didn't deserve the respons I got, it just gets worse because some Mods feel as though they are untouchable and say what they want simply because they are Mods.....I don't think so.

It seems Mods feel because they are given the power to govern it also gives them the right to be rude and obnoxious, they can stop the members from being rude and obnoxious but the rules don't apply to them. Do you honestly think I writting this because I've had one or two bad experiences?? Please, I have better things to do, however I won't stand ideally bye and let a 19 year old kid talk to me as if they are talking to thier 12 year old brother simply because they are a Mod.

Ya know, I understand there is a lot to do with a site this size. I also understand that some fans get carried away and say and do things that need to be handled. That does not excuse the Mods or give them the right to be rude simply becasue they have a lot to do. Look at it as though you're the consumer in a nice resturant , do you want to be treated rudely or with disrespect because someone else in the resturant made the owner or management mad?? No, so why should we!?!?!? Members like me might not be popular for brining this to light, but what should I do turn my back just because I like the site as a whole and don't want to be ban for trying to make the site good for everyone not just the lucky few that govern?? I think the reponse to this post will be interesting and will either have a positive effest or not we shall see.

feelthepain
02-13-2006, 02:15 PM
That would be correct.
If you feel you're being treated unfairly by a mod, then bring it to an Admin's attention. There is not reason to hold popularity contests among the staff.

Ya know wharf no one said anything about a "popularity contest" and I didn't suggest holding anything among the staff, it was for the members. Just because you're a mod or Admin doesn't make you perfect, and all I was suggesting was a simple poll once a month to give the Adminn a better grasp on Mods that aren't mature enough to handle the position. It would also allow other members that migh want to help the site to get a chance to do so. I'm not one, so there is no ulterior motive here. However, I feel I could do the job better then some because I'm not full of myself and don't feel the need to be rude to be effective, and that was not directed towards you. I hope you understand my motive here, this is a great site for the most part. But as with anything a little tweaking wouldn't hurt.

NaboCane
02-13-2006, 02:21 PM
Ya know wharf no one said anything about a "popularity contest" and I didn't suggest holding anything among the staff, it was for the members. Just because you're a mod or Admin doesn't make you perfect, and all I was suggesting was a simple poll once a month to give the Adminn a better grasp on Mods that aren't mature enough to handle the position. It would also allow other members that migh want to help the site to get a chance to do so. I'm not one, so there is no ulterior motive here. However, I feel I could do the job better then some because I'm not full of myself and don't feel the need to be rude to be effective, and that was not directed towards you. I hope you understand my motive here, this is a great site for the most part. But as with anything a little tweaking wouldn't hurt.

Instead of all this rigamarole, why don't you just PM Wharf and tell him who it is you think is so immature, and he'll deal with it?

I don't see anyone else who thinks this is a good idea, and the word already came down that it's not going to happen. So why belabor it?

Philter25
02-13-2006, 02:27 PM
Ya know wharf no one said anything about a "popularity contest" and I didn't suggest holding anything among the staff, it was for the members. Just because you're a mod or Admin doesn't make you perfect, and all I was suggesting was a simple poll once a month to give the Adminn a better grasp on Mods that aren't mature enough to handle the position. It would also allow other members that migh want to help the site to get a chance to do so. I'm not one, so there is no ulterior motive here. However, I feel I could do the job better then some because I'm not full of myself and don't feel the need to be rude to be effective, and that was not directed towards you. I hope you understand my motive here, this is a great site for the most part. But as with anything a little tweaking wouldn't hurt.

Although I agree with you bro, you are defending an uphill battle. I have had a few bump-ins with power crazed mods where they went beyond what was needed. What you are suggesting sounds like almost a rating system for members to do to the mods what the mods can do to the members.

If members are going to be held to stand to the TOS, mods should also. But, as should be a perfect example with WildBill's post, you are fighting an uphill battle and giving suggestions on critiquing the critiquers. I would highly doubt any of them would take your comments with open arms.

One of the reason's I found WB's analogy hilarious is if mods are Police, then some members are definately Rodney King. :lol: Police too have quality control measures but to the mods defense, I think the warning system here will benefit both sides, the mods and members. It will let members get subtle warnings before they are banned instead of banning them for no reason and it will HOPEFULLY assure that a mod cant jump the gun on someone and ban them for a 2 pt offense.

WharfRat
02-13-2006, 02:38 PM
Again... if there is a problem with what you see as a "power hungry" or "immature" mod. PM either me, inFINS, MindWarp, or PPPMI...
the analogy between the warning system , and rating users is preposterous. We've been tracking user warnings for years, nothings changed there, and it's not a "rating system".
Simple solution...take it or leave it... get in touch with an Admin, or try to get AJ's attention, if you have a problem with any of the staff.
Case Closed.

NJFINSFAN1
02-13-2006, 02:44 PM
Instead of all this rigamarole, why don't you just PM Wharf and tell him who it is you think is so immature, and he'll deal with it?

I don't see anyone else who thinks this is a good idea, and the word already came down that it's not going to happen. So why belabor it?

PM him 6 times right?:njphins:

FIN-IN-RI
02-13-2006, 02:45 PM
A few of you members need to just get over it.

Stop your crying already and start your own forum.

NaboCane
02-13-2006, 02:46 PM
PM him 6 times right?:njphins:

:njphins:

:sidelol:

Alex44
02-13-2006, 02:50 PM
How come the mods can embarass a user in a thread by giving them 24 hours off, and yes it is embarassing the way it is done and the sarcastic nature the mods use when doing it, why cant THAT be handled in private?

Yet we cant voice our opinions about a mod in a thread ever

I think FTP has a great Idea

Anyway Thats just my opinion no disrespect there

Philter25
02-13-2006, 02:54 PM
How come the mods can embarass a user in a thread by giving them 24 hours off, and yes it is embarassing the way it is done and the sarcastic nature the mods use when doing it, why cant THAT be handled in private?

Yet we cant voice our opinions about a mod in a thread ever

I think FTP has a great Idea

Anyway Thats just my opinion no disrespect there

Shhhhhhh you might upset them


in case anyone hasn't noticed, Finheaven is NOT a Democracy. It is a Dictatorship, with AJ at the top.

NJFINSFAN1
02-13-2006, 02:54 PM
How come the mods can embarass a user in a thread by giving them 24 hours off, and yes it is embarassing the way it is done and the sarcastic nature the mods use when doing it, why cant THAT be handled in private?

Yet we cant voice our opinions about a mod in a thread ever

I think FTP has a great Idea

Anyway Thats just my opinion no disrespect there

I believe you tend to get a warning first (unless real bad) and I believe the new system is different, you get a PM telling you what and why.

Philter25
02-13-2006, 02:56 PM
Stop your crying already and start your own forum.
Stop your crying about other peoples suggestions and start your own suggestion free forum. :wink:

WharfRat
02-13-2006, 02:57 PM
Shhhhhhh you might upset them


I just have to ask...

If it's so bad here, why do you stay?

feelthepain
02-13-2006, 02:58 PM
Again... if there is a problem with what you see as a "power hungry" or "immature" mod. PM either me, inFINS, MindWarp, or PPPMI...
the analogy between the warning system , and rating users is preposterous. We've been tracking user warnings for years, nothings changed there, and it's not a "rating system".
Simple solution...take it or leave it... get in touch with an Admin, or try to get AJ's attention, if you have a problem with any of the staff.
Case Closed.

I am not trying to do anything more then just make a simple observation this isn't an attack on you or the site just a suggestion from a members standpoint, thats all Wharf. I understand how you feel and I understand what you're saying, but others are adding thier input and I'm just reponding to them, nothing more.

WharfRat
02-13-2006, 02:59 PM
and start your own suggestion free forum. :wink:

isn't that what you're implying we have here?

feelthepain
02-13-2006, 03:03 PM
I just have to ask...

If it's so bad here, why do you stay?

Why do you ask this question, I love this site it's just got a few things that need to be discussed and since we are members and not Admin or Mods don't you want this from us?? This is the correct forum for this thread and as I said this isn't an attack on the site, but just an obsevation from members who care and want to be a part of this great site. Becuase we see something needs improvement it's an attack on the site??? No way, it's just input thats all. I really care about this site and I love it, but as with anything it has it's flaws. What do you expect from such a big operation?? I love it here Wharf and I mean no disrespect to you or the ones that truly want the best here.

byroan
02-13-2006, 03:06 PM
Please, I have better things to do, however I won't stand ideally bye and let a 19 year old kid talk to me as if they are talking to thier 12 year old brother simply because they are a Mod.

Seeing as I'm the only 19 year old mod, you're obviously talking about me. When have I ever talked down to you?

WharfRat
02-13-2006, 03:07 PM
Why do you ask this question, I love this site it's just got a few things that need to be discussed and since we are members and not Admin or Mods don't you want this from us?? This is the correct forum for this thread and as I said this isn't an attack on the site, but just an obsevation from members who care and want to be a part of this great site. Becuase we see something needs improvement it's an attack on the site??? No way, it's just input thats all. I really care about this site and I love it, but as with anything it has it's flaws. What do you expect from such a big operation?? I love it here Wharf and I mean no disrespect to you or the ones that truly want the best here.

I wasn't asking you. :wink: .. I was asking Philter... he seems to jump on the chance to take a slam at the site.

Philter25
02-13-2006, 03:08 PM
isn't that what you're implying we have here?
Not at all wharf. I wasnt implying anything, I was sticking up for the guy who made a valid suggestion. This IS a suggestion forum, so RI shouldnt tell anyone in the suggestion forum to stop crying when they are making a suggestion. FTP made a simple suggestion which a few of us backed up or gave a little more depth to......


I just have to ask...

If it's so bad here, why do you stay?

And to your first post, I never said it was horrible here, im sure you know there are always cases where members think a mod crosses their boundaries. Perfect example was WB's post in response to the comment, which is why I responded with the "shhh, you might offend them". To me that came off as very rude and he could have addressed FTP's original post or the other posts in this thread in a more polite manner.

There were a few times when Muck banned someone and he left a comment or two in their post which I didnt think was nice and I think he went beyond what was needed. It had nothing to do with me or anyone I talked to, it was just something that everyone on FH could read. Thats what im talking about.

If you are going to ban someone for attacking a persons post or breaking the TOS, dont leave a personal attack or a public message that might be a little sarcastic or demeaning afterwards.

cnc66
02-13-2006, 03:10 PM
power crazed :nana:

Philter25
02-13-2006, 03:10 PM
I wasn't asking you. :wink: .. I was asking Philter... he seems to jump on the chance to take a slam at the site.

Show me where I took a slam on the site. I agree with FTP's original post. Sometimes I think the mods tend to go beyond what is necessary and I agree with his suggestion.

I thought my posts were direct and to the point and I re-read them both after I typed them up to make sure my remarks were not taken out of context.........

NaboCane
02-13-2006, 03:11 PM
Stop your crying about other peoples suggestions and start your own suggestion free forum. :wink:

You of all people throwing your support behind an idea automatically makes it suspect. Your fervent support works to guarantee its failure.

FiRI at least cares about the site. You don't have the site's best interests at heart. Your opinion doesn't even register.

NaboCane
02-13-2006, 03:12 PM
power crazed :nana:

:tantrum:

:lol:

feelthepain
02-13-2006, 03:18 PM
Seeing as I'm the only 19 year old mod, you're obviously talking about me. When have I ever talked down to you?


I chose that age as an avg. Becuase there seems to be a lot of young Mods here.

Philter25
02-13-2006, 03:19 PM
You of all people throwing your support behind an idea automatically makes it suspect. Your fervent support works to guarantee its failure.

FiRI at least cares about the site. You don't have the site's best interests at heart. Your opinion doesn't even register.
Wow.

I thought my posts were polite and to the point and not trying to slander anything at all. I mildly defended my position without trying to take a dig at anyone. Thank you for bringing it down a level and almost making my point for me. Your negative undertone to my post was exactly what I was talking about when I said sometimes mods go beyond what was necessary. I thought I raised my suggestion in a polite and tactful way.

Guess not.

The only post I was sarcastic with was FinRI's because he was complaining about people correctly AND TACTFULLY using the suggestion forum.

Since Wharf said you guys track members history, look up mine Nabo. Its pretty much squeaky clean. I usually abide by TOS, and the few times I butted heads with mods, before you were a mod I might add, I felt I did so politely and I had many discussions behind the scenes and through PM. I;ve also had a few PM convo's with Wharf and Infins (before he was a mod) about any concerns I had about certain situations and I felt I did so in a polite manner. Your stereotyping in trying to knock my intentions is inaccurate.

NaboCane
02-13-2006, 03:22 PM
Wow.

I thought my posts were polite and to the point and not trying to slander anything at all. I mildly defended my position without trying to take a dig at anyone. Thank you for bringing it down a level.

The only post I was sarcastic with was FinRI's because he was complaining about people correctly AND TACTFULLY using the suggestion forum.

I was polite. I just have a blunt style and believe in telling a person what I think. To say that you aren't a friend of this site is accurate, however it may be that you perceive the statement.

In fact, I'm surprised that scrap hasn't weighed in by now, or more of the other boys with their various aliases.

Philter25
02-13-2006, 03:38 PM
Since we are being blunt now, Im an individual and I have my own thoughts and beliefs Nabo. You stereotyping me on the actions of a group is insulting. Again, look up my warning history or whatever Wharf said you guys keep tabs on. Also look at my other post history. Believe it or not, I dont check in with Scrap after every post I make. You guys can track PMs, check mine. Im squeaky clean Nabo, you guys just like to associate me with people you have had problems with because I joked around with them in the lounge when in fact I was always on the outside and I was never a direct cause of any shenanigans.

I was actually shocked with Wharf's comments because I addressed and settled my concerns with Wharf through PM months ago when you were just a member. So what makes me not a friend of this site as I was unaware that I had achieved that status?

WharfRat
02-13-2006, 03:42 PM
There were a few times when Muck banned someone and he left a comment or two in their post which I didnt think was nice and I think he went beyond what was needed.

I remember that, and you've referred to that many times. That was what? a year ago? (give or take).
Muck is really no longer an active Admin...he's retired, so to speak.
Are there any current members of the staff that you take an issue with?
If so, PM me, and we can discuss it.
If not, please stop refering to something that, as you said, we settled via PM some time ago.

FIN-IN-RI
02-13-2006, 03:46 PM
A few of you members need to just get over it.

Stop your crying already and start your own forum.

^ not a complaint. I'm just not a fan of men who whine, on the internet, on a privately owned message board, especially one that I love.

And I WILL let you know about it, every time.

Want some provalone?

Philter25
02-13-2006, 03:53 PM
^ not a complaint. I'm just not a fan of men who whine, on the internet, on a privately owned message board, especially one that I love.

And I WILL let you know about it, every time.

Want some provalone? So you are not a fan of exactly what you are doing? Someone is making a suggestion and he is "complaining", yet you are going to whine about them complaining and then tell them you arent a fan of it? Priceless. I too am not a big fan of those type of people, however if someone is going to make a suggestion in the suggestion forum, Im not going to take a dig at them.

And I WILL stick up for them, every time.

I prefer Mozzarella, want another cancer stick? :lol:


I remember that, and you've referred to that many times. That was what? a year ago? (give or take).
Muck is really no longer an active Admin...he's retired, so to speak.
Are there any current members of the staff that you take an issue with?
If so, PM me, and we can discuss it.
If not, please stop refering to something that, as you said, we settled via PM some time ago. I only referred to it once because you were taking my post in the wrong context and I felt clarification was necessary. Again, I was only agreeing with the original poster and not trying to start an argument.

FIN-IN-RI
02-13-2006, 03:57 PM
So you are not a fan of exactly what you are doing? Someone is making a suggestion and he is "complaining", yet you are going to whine about them complaining and then tell them you arent a fan of it? Priceless. I too am not a big fan of those type of people, however if someone is going to make a suggestion in the suggestion forum, Im not going to take a dig at them.

And I WILL stick up for them, every time.

I prefer Mozzarella, want another cancer stick? :lol: .

:nono:

feelthepain
02-13-2006, 04:08 PM
In fact, I'm surprised that scrap hasn't weighed in by now, or more of the other boys with their various aliases.

I think this is eveidence that there are members that have concerns.


I just have a blunt style and believe in telling a person what I think.

I'm glad you have a style, but diplomacy would be a better character trait and better suited for a Mod then arrogance!! This is where the problem lies IMO, If you feel you should be a Mod you should understand you are here to defuse problems not enhance them. You have to leave your ego out of the job because it's counterproductive in whats trying to be accomplished. I don't understand how you can be open minded and objective to others if you're not able to do it yourself. Telling someone what you think while telling them they are wrong just adds to the heat of the moment, it also angers people and thats not your job.

You can help this site by taking a neutral position and not forcing your believes or opinion on others just because you're a Mod, it's not your right. You would be much more successful by saying as little as possible without being rude, you're not going to make everyone happy, but you will get more respect in the long run because you don't put yourself and your believes above others. The biggest problem I see with the way some Mods handle things is adding their opinion like it's the right opinion. Your job is simple you're Switzerland you have no opinion one way or the other your job is to keep peace not to provoke. It's really that simple.

feelthepain
02-13-2006, 04:12 PM
:nono:


His opinion is just as important as yours.

FIN-IN-RI
02-13-2006, 04:19 PM
I think this is eveidence that there are members that have concerns.



I'm glad you have a style, but diplomacy would be a better character trait and better suited for a Mod then arrogance!! This is where the problem lies IMO, If you feel you should be a Mod you should understand you are here to defuse problems not inhance them. You have to leave your ego out of the job because it's counterproductive in whats trying to be accomplished. I don't understand how you can be open minded and objective to others if you're not able to do it yourself. Telling someone what you think while telling them they are wrong just adds to the heat of the moment, it also angers people and thats not your job.

You can help this site by taking a neutral position and not forcing your believes or opinion on others just because you're a Mod, it's not your right. You would be much more successful by saying as little as possible without being rude, you're not going to make everyone happy, but you will get more respect in the long run because you don't put yourself and your believes above others. The biggest problem I see with the way some Mods handle things is adding their opinion like it's the right opinion. Your job is simple you're Switzerland you have no opinion one way or the other your job is to keep peace not to provoke. It's really that simple.

Why are you telling him what to do and how to do it?

I just see it as people having a problem with authority no matter how menial (internet!!) the authority is.

The majority here does not have a concern with the way this site is run and if you step back and look at the broad view you(or anyone else) just might realize this. Until then complaints about the basis of running this site will be turned to a deaf ear, hopefully, and rightfully so.

FIN-IN-RI
02-13-2006, 04:20 PM
His opinion is just as important as yours.

It's ignorant. Plain and simple. :)

FinFan72
02-13-2006, 04:24 PM
:nono: :wall:

feelthepain
02-13-2006, 04:25 PM
Why are you telling him what to do and how to do it?

I just see it as people having a problem with authority no matter how menial (internet!!) the authority is.

The majority here does not have a concern with the way this site is run and if you step back and look at the broad view you(or anyone else) just might realize this. Until then complaints about the basis of running this site will be turned to a deaf ear, hopefully, and rightfully so.


I'm not telling anyone anything I'm making a suggestion and voicing my opinion
last time I checked, that is my right as an American.

FIN-IN-RI
02-13-2006, 04:26 PM
I'm not telling anyone anything I'm making a suggestion and voicing my opinion
last time I checked, that is my right as an American.

Thats great.

feelthepain
02-13-2006, 04:26 PM
It's ignorant. Plain and simple. :)

How do you expect to get respect by saying things like this?? If you have no respect, no one values your opinion.

FinFan72
02-13-2006, 04:28 PM
I'm not telling anyone anything I'm making a suggestion and voicing my opinion
last time I checked, that is my right as an American.
But you sure can be muted on the Internet :quiet:

FIN-IN-RI
02-13-2006, 04:30 PM
How do you expect to get respect by saying things like this?? If you have no respect, no one values your opinion.

First off, Don't lecture me on Respect.

Second off, The people on here that get my respect are those who deserve it.

End Of Discussion. Thanks.

:ri:

NJFINSFAN1
02-13-2006, 04:31 PM
This is just my thoughts, and I'm not asking anyone to agree or disagree.

This is AJ's brainchild. Aj and the Admins came up with the rules and run the site and they pick the Mods.

If they feel someone should be warned or banned, so be it!

If you don't like what they do, PM AJ or a different Mod and tell them you have a problem, if they feel your problem with a Mod is legit, they will do something. And if they do something to that Mod, they have the right to tell you if they want, if not, tough!

Its really that simple in my mind!

FinFan72
02-13-2006, 04:32 PM
How do you expect to get respect by saying things like this?? If you have no respect, no one values your opinion.
You should ask yourself that, cause i have read all of your posts in this thread and it sounds like you could care less about what everyone else has to say.

Philter25
02-13-2006, 04:33 PM
Until then complaints about the basis of running this site will be turned to a deaf ear, hopefully, and rightfully so.

Your problem is you see him as complaining, where as I view him as making a suggestion. Complaining gets you no where and is a waste of time. However offering a suggestion to better the site is productive and therefore his posts should at least be acknowledged, even if not agreed with, and not just ignored or turned to a deaf ear.

If there was someone just complaining about stuff right and left, then I would absolutely agree with you, that crap is unproductive and not worth your time. You dont seem to be able to differentiate complaining/whining with suggesting. To most people its a very thin line to differentiate but judging by your posts I dont think a line exists with you.

Offering up a solution to something you might see as a potential weak point is making a suggesting. Just churping in with posts complaining about what is going on and adding nothing substantial to the conversation, which you by the way are excellent at doing, is whining in its purest form.


I'm not telling anyone anything I'm making a suggestion and voicing my opinion
last time I checked, that is my right as an American. I would just walk away from this one FTP. This thread is going downhill in the wrong direction. Just save yourself the trouble and let this one die........

FIN-IN-RI
02-13-2006, 04:33 PM
This is just my thoughts, and I'm not asking anyone to agree or disagree.

This is AJ's brainchild. Aj and the Admins came up with the rules and run the site and they pick the Mods.

If they feel someone should be warned or banned, so be it!

If you don't like what they do, PM AJ or a different Mod and tell them you have a problem, if they feel your problem with a Mod is legit, they will do something. And if they do something to that Mod, they have the right to tell you if they want, if not, tough!

Its really that simple in my mind!

That's how I see it. To the letter.

feelthepain
02-13-2006, 04:34 PM
First off, Don't lecture me on Respect.

Second off, The people on here that get my respect are those who deserve it.

End Of Discussion. Thanks.

:ri:

Oh boy......

feelthepain
02-13-2006, 04:44 PM
You should ask yourself that, cause i have read all of your posts in this thread and it sounds like you could care less about what everyone else has to say.


When did I say anyone was wrong??

FIN-IN-RI
02-13-2006, 04:46 PM
Your problem..

Is with the whining and complaining.

feelthepain
02-13-2006, 04:51 PM
Philter25 wrote:


I would just walk away from this one FTP. This thread is going downhill in the wrong direction. Just save yourself the trouble and let this one die........

Thank you, you may be right. However I do see it's not just me that feels this way. So I feel Ok with the results. Like I said this thread was not to disrepect the hard working people here, it was merely a suggestion.

Philter25
02-13-2006, 05:02 PM
Thank you, you may be right. However I do see it's not just me that feels this way. So I feel Ok with the results. Like I said this thread was not to disrepect the hard working people here, it was merely a suggestion.

:yes: I think some people took what you said the wrong way and took stuff with the wrong intentions.

So FiRi..... what exactly are you doing by posting in here? Whining and Complaining about what you believe to be whining and complaining? :lol: Exactly. Pot, Id like you to meet my friend Mr. Kettle....... I think you guys will get along. Would you like that provolone now?

WharfRat
02-13-2006, 05:21 PM
I think we should all walk away from this.
Philter, I replied to your PM...

NaboCane
02-13-2006, 05:25 PM
I think we should all walk away from this.
Philter, I replied to your PM...

Amen.

Philter25
02-13-2006, 05:26 PM
I think we should all walk away from this.
Philter, I replied to your PM... Gratzi and done.

Fin Fan in Cali
02-13-2006, 10:16 PM
Maybe consider voting on a montly basis on Mod performances. Reason, because some MODs need to be governed like the members to keep them from abusing their power and keep them in line aswell, remember the members aren't the only ones that step out of line. Just a thought, not only would it keep the Mods from thinking they are untouchable, but the members will have a little more interaction with the site and will feel like they have a little more importance to this site. It also helps the Mods realize their job is not a right, but a prvililege.Brother I hear your opinion. I have to tell you that if you pm Wharf or Mindwarp, they will look into a stiuation. This goes for all the mods as well. Copy a post, and forward to the proper MOD, and they will look into it, if it is merited. I don't want to re-hash this post, however I didn't have a chance to repsond earlier. Thanks, John:wink:

Justasportsfan
02-14-2006, 05:21 PM
I think we should all walk away from this.
Philter, I replied to your PM...Is there room for a bills fan to say something in this thread?

:couch:

NJFINSFAN1
02-14-2006, 05:35 PM
Is there room for a bills fan to say something in this thread?

:couch:

:sidelol:

You and FTP have a great History together!

Justasportsfan
02-14-2006, 06:44 PM
:sidelol:

You and FTP have a great History together!
:whip2:

inFINSible
02-14-2006, 07:50 PM
I'd like to say something....

One thing everyone has to remember, mods are human too. It's not easy, to "police" the forums, and remain nuetral or freindly with everyone.

That being said, yes, the mods do need to be held to a higher standard. We as admins are responsible for making sure that the moderators on this site don't overstep their bounds or get too emotionally involved in issues that may arise. We have ways of recording what each and every moderator does and we review many decisions daily. This is the quality control we have in place and we have had in place for many years now. I don't think, at this time, that we need to install a system that publicly draws our moderators into controversy and undermines their authority.

Anyone is free to contact any of the Admins of this site, at any time, if they have a concern with any moderators or their actions. Most often the problem can be solved with just a little communication. We WILL take all compaints into consideration and we WILL discuss with each other, and probably the rest of the staff in most cases, each and every problem.


This site has a very high approval rating with our members so, we feel we are doing something right and we will continue to do our humanly best to keep the standards or moderating that we have and at the same time we will always strive to make each member feel like they are treated with respect and are welcomed on this site. As long as they, treat the staff with the same respect.

Much like you the members wouldn't want your mistakes discussed in public, the moderators deserve the same privacy.

Fin Fan in Cali
02-14-2006, 09:13 PM
I'd like to say something....

One thing everyone has to remember, mods are human too. It's not easy, to "police" the forums, and remain nuetral or freindly with everyone.

That being said, yes, the mods do need to be held to a higher standard. We as admins are responsible for making sure that the moderators on this site don't overstep their bounds or get too emotionally involved in issues that may arise. We have ways of recording what each and every moderator does and we review many decisions daily. This is the quality control we have in place and we have had in place for many years now. I don't think, at this time, that we need to install a system that publicly draws our moderators into controversy and undermines their authority.

Anyone is free to contact any of the Admins of this site, at any time, if they have a concern with any moderators or their actions. Most often the problem can be solved with just a little communication. We WILL take all compaints into consideration and we WILL discuss with each other, and probably the rest of the staff in most cases, each and every problem.


This site has a very high approval rating with our members so, we feel we are doing something right and we will continue to do our humanly best to keep the standards or moderating that we have and at the same time we will always strive to make each member feel like they are treated with respect and are welcomed on this site. As long as they, treat the staff with the same respect.

Much like you the members wouldn't want your mistakes discussed in public, the moderators deserve the same privacy.Very well said!:wink:

feelthepain
02-14-2006, 10:36 PM
I'd like to say something....

One thing everyone has to remember, mods are human too. It's not easy, to "police" the forums, and remain nuetral or freindly with everyone.

That being said, yes, the mods do need to be held to a higher standard. We as admins are responsible for making sure that the moderators on this site don't overstep their bounds or get too emotionally involved in issues that may arise. We have ways of recording what each and every moderator does and we review many decisions daily. This is the quality control we have in place and we have had in place for many years now. I don't think, at this time, that we need to install a system that publicly draws our moderators into controversy and undermines their authority.

Anyone is free to contact any of the Admins of this site, at any time, if they have a concern with any moderators or their actions. Most often the problem can be solved with just a little communication. We WILL take all compaints into consideration and we WILL discuss with each other, and probably the rest of the staff in most cases, each and every problem.


This site has a very high approval rating with our members so, we feel we are doing something right and we will continue to do our humanly best to keep the standards or moderating that we have and at the same time we will always strive to make each member feel like they are treated with respect and are welcomed on this site. As long as they, treat the staff with the same respect.

Much like you the members wouldn't want your mistakes discussed in public, the moderators deserve the same privacy.

Interesting thoughts, I see your point/s. The reason I started this thread was mainly because of the arrogance of some Mods. I understand why the site needs Mods and there are Few I have an issue with, for the most part. I think the high and mighty responses get on my nerves more then anything and If something could be done about that, to me that would go a long ways
with my concerns.

IMO being arrogant or rude is not enough to contact the Admin. over so there really is nothing that can be done about it. Now if the powers that be here think thats not really an issue to discuss then I ask, how would you feel if a member PM'ed you and talked down to you on several different occasions?? I'm certin it wouldn't be received well, just a guess. IMO by telling members to contact the Adminn everytime a Mod was rude they would be doubling there work because I have seen many times a Mod post a rude comment and I was just reading a response to another poster, so I'm sure it's not a rare thing it's just not reported like you are suggesting we do.

The Bottom line is nothing will change from my undestanding, I'm just going to have to be treated rudly and accept it because I would rather save my complaints for things that are more important. Not that being rude isn't important, it's just not as important to the Admin. because of the other things that need to be dealt with. This is not a shot at anybody, it's just the reality of the site and it's prioritys.

Having Mods monitor Mods is like having a thief gaurd the bank...so to speak. The reason you have Mods patrol the boards is to protect ourselves from ourselves. But at the same time they will protect each other and not be as open minded or critical of each others performance. It's not an insult, it's human nature.It's just the way it is, any intelligent human being knows this.
But this is a moot point because my suggestion was already dismissed because the Admin. is fine with the operation in place.

In the end if we don't speak up then things stay the same, by bringing up this suggestion it puts a thought out there and even though things may not change directly it is an obvious issue and will be in the back of the minds of the Admin. and if this continues things will change. It's the law of avgs. I think this is an issue for more members then just myself, some Mods take it to heart and that in no way shape or form was my intention. I give respect first and foremost and I expect it in return, and really thats all the suggestion in this thread was about.

inFINSible
02-14-2006, 10:53 PM
We take very seriously our relationship with the members of this site. If you assume that I'm lying and we won't discuss this, then you are mistaken.

If there is such a problem that we would receive an avalanche of complaints, that in and of in itself would signal to us that there is a problem that needs to be solved. If there are a few complaints here and there, I'm sure they can be handled capably by the Admins, as that is part of the job description and daily responsibilites of being in the position.

feelthepain
02-14-2006, 11:47 PM
inFINSible wrote:


We take very seriously our relationship with the members of this site. If you assume that I'm lying and we won't discuss this, then you are mistaken.

I'll assure you I don't, however being critical of yourselves is not so easy to do.


If there is such a problem that we would receive an avalanche of complaints, that in and of in itself would signal to us that there is a problem that needs to be solved. If there are a few complaints here and there, I'm sure they can be handled capably by the Admins, as that is part of the job description and daily responsibilites of being in the position.

Look you can take this two ways, you can think this is an attack on the site and people who run it or you can think there are members who care and want whats best for everyone,not just the Admin and Mods and not just the members. It's up to the individual. I have already made it clear several times in this thread I mean no disrespect to anyone working hard to produce a top product. If you feel offended by what I'm suggesting maybe you should ask yourself why.

The Members have concerns and are just as important as the Admin and Mods and we should express our thoughts and concerns for what we think is best for the site. If you're a Mod or Admin, you're opinions aren't any more valid or important then the members and there not always whats best for the site simply because the Admin says so, thats common sense.

This is not Members versus Mods and Admin. Mods and Admin have a tough job to do without question, and it's not easy. I think thats a given. This is simply a suggestion. I don't need you to justify the Mods and Admin. I respect them it's the return respect thats the problem and you can't tell me it doesn't exist or hasn't been brought up in the past. IMO, some people just don't make good Mods, it's not the end of the world. It's just not for everyone. And those are the ones that think they are better then the members or above the rules, would you agree? Thats all I'm sayin. You can't always tell how a Mod will be till they are in the job, then it becomes clear if they are good for the job or not.

Wildbill3
02-15-2006, 12:02 AM
inFINSible wrote:



I'll assure you I don't, however being critical of yourselves is not so easy to do.



Look you can take this two ways, you can think this is an attack on the site and people who run it or you can think there are members who care and want whats best for everyone,not just the Admin and Mods and not just the members. It's up to the individual. I have already made it clear several times in this thread I mean no disrespect to anyone working hard to produce a top product. If you feel offended by what I'm suggesting maybe you should ask yourself why.

The Members have concerns and are just as important as the Admin and Mods and we should express our thoughts and concerns for what we think is best for the site. If you're a Mod or Admin, you're opinions aren't any more valid or important then the members and there not always whats best for the site simply because the Admin says so, thats common sense.

This is not Members versus Mods and Admin. Mods and Admin have a tough job to do without question, and it's not easy. I think thats a given. This is simply a suggestion. I don't need you to justify the Mods and Admin. I respect them it's the return respect thats the problem and you can't tell me it doesn't exist or hasn't been brought up in the past. IMO, some people just don't make good Mods, it's not the end of the world. It's just not for everyone. And those are the ones that think they are better then the members or above the rules, would you agree? Thats all I'm sayin. You can't always tell how a Mod will be till they are in the job, then it becomes clear if they are good for the job or not.I agree with many of your points, but when it comes to the staff and what they bring to the table, you as a member don't get to see the whole package, you'll catch a few glimpses of who a mod is, and the job they do, but for the most part a mods strengths and weaknesses cannot be fully observed by members.

I'm not sure of where you are going with part about mods who think they are above the rules? There may be some judgement calls now and again that turn out to be wrong, but none of the mods I work with think they are above the rules. Maybe this is something you should definately bring up to Admin via PM.

feelthepain
02-15-2006, 12:35 AM
I'm not sure of where you are going with part about mods who think they are above the rules? There may be some judgement calls now and again that turn out to be wrong, but none of the mods I work with think they are above the rules. Maybe this is something you should definately bring up to Admin via PM.

Thank for the suggestion, and I have in the past when it got to be more then I could take. But as I mentioned it's at times ticky tac and just because it's ticky tac doesn't diminish the fact. I just feel like a two year old whining if I am always writting to the Admin, so I let things slide. That's the reason I came here and started this thread. I don't understand why we keep coming across the same thing "PM the Admin" if there is a suggestion forum. It almost seems like it's taboo to discuss.

What exactly is this suggestion forum for if we aren't allowed to make suggestions?? I'm not tying to be sarcastic, I'm just pretty sure this is the correct route to solving a problem and it opens it up to get opinions from both members and Admin/Mods to voice an opinion. If you've noticed All Admi/Mods that have responded feel there really is no problem and quite a few members do, I thinks thats very telling and also tells you something doesn't make sense. If you're watching each other how can you say there isn't really a problem when we all know people have complained?? People don't like to be judged and rather then be open minded they take offense. Once again no disrepect, just an obsevation.

Wildbill3
02-15-2006, 12:53 AM
Thank for the suggestion, and I have in the past when it got to be more then I could take. But as I mentioned it's at times ticky tac and just because it's ticky tac doesn't diminish the fact. I just feel like a two year old whining if I am always writting to the Admin, so I let things slide. That's the reason I came here and started this thread. I don't understand why we keep coming across the same thing "PM the Admin" if there is a suggestion forum. It almost seems like it's taboo to discuss.

What exactly is this suggestion forum for if we aren't allowed to make suggestions?? I'm not tying to be sarcastic, I'm just pretty sure this is the correct route to solving a problem and it opens it up to get opinions from both members and Admin/Mods to voice an opinion. If you've noticed All Admi/Mods that have responded feel there really is no problem and quite a few members do, I thinks thats very telling and also tells you something doesn't make sense. If you're watching each other how can you say there isn't really a problem when we all know people have complained?? People don't like to be judged and rather then be open minded they take offense. Once again no disrepect, just an obsevation.It's not taboo to discuss issues you may have with the site or staff, but it is a matter of tact to discuss the individual behind closed doors. I assume you have one or two mods in mind when you make mention that they may not be good mods, if this is the case, it is more respectful to discuss these individuals via PM, not in the open.

Fin Fan in Cali
02-15-2006, 01:03 AM
Thank for the suggestion, and I have in the past when it got to be more then I could take. But as I mentioned it's at times ticky tac and just because it's ticky tac doesn't diminish the fact. I just feel like a two year old whining if I am always writting to the Admin, so I let things slide. That's the reason I came here and started this thread. I don't understand why we keep coming across the same thing "PM the Admin" if there is a suggestion forum. It almost seems like it's taboo to discuss.

What exactly is this suggestion forum for if we aren't allowed to make suggestions?? I'm not tying to be sarcastic, I'm just pretty sure this is the correct route to solving a problem and it opens it up to get opinions from both members and Admin/Mods to voice an opinion. If you've noticed All Admi/Mods that have responded feel there really is no problem and quite a few members do, I thinks thats very telling and also tells you something doesn't make sense. If you're watching each other how can you say there isn't really a problem when we all know people have complained?? People don't like to be judged and rather then be open minded they take offense. Once again no disrepect, just an obsevation.Brother I think why they and I are saying to PM a mod, is to take care of the situation correctly. Two wrongs don't make a right, so why embarrass or try to bring someone down when it's not the proper forum? from personal experience if I have scene something that I didn't agree with I contacted a Mod that I am very comfortable with and brought it up, and that was enough for me.

I have also been in the wrong getting upset with a Mod when he was new and didn't understand, and I didn't handle it the best way, making his life quite miserable when I should of handled it in a pm. I have since learned.

I don't know which Mod or Mods you are referring too, but in my dealings with the Mods even the one I through under the bus, we have patched it up, and have gone on to do some great things for members of the family that don't have the financial backing that some of us do in our life. I work closely with two Mod's Inparticular, and they are very great to the site, and more then you know reach out to take care of the members of the family, with even there own funds. I suggest that this thread be put to rest, and bro contact admin, and air out your complaints in private. Then we can move on, and make the needed changes and continue to be the best darn fan based website there is.

Thanks,
John:wink:

feelthepain
02-15-2006, 01:13 AM
It's not taboo to discuss issues you may have with the site or staff, but it is a matter of tact to discuss the individual behind closed doors. I assume you have one or two mods in mind when you make mention that they may not be good mods, if this is the case, it is more respectful to discuss these individuals via PM, not in the open.

I agree, and thats why I'm not naming names.This way I don't isolate and embarrass anyone. I'm bringing to light the issue not the offender's.

feelthepain
02-15-2006, 01:23 AM
Brother I think why they and I are saying to PM a mod, is to take care of the situation correctly. Two wrongs don't make a right, :wink:


I don't think what I'm doing is wrong John, I think what I'm doing is not only right, but justified and for the good of more then just myself. It may sound corny,but I don't take this issue lightly. I also am not looking for attention, just making a suggestion that IMO is worth discussing, and letting it go accomplishes nothing.

I would like to add I am not trying to prolong this thread, just responding to other posts. Do you see how we can have a good discussion about an important topic without insults or hate?? This is a good topic and it doesn't have to offend to be effective or worthy of discussion.

Fin Fan in Cali
02-15-2006, 01:40 AM
I don't think what I'm doing is wrong John, I think what I'm doing is not only right, but justified and for the good of more then just myself. It may sound corny,but I don't take this issue lightly. I also am not looking for attention, just making a suggestion that IMO is worth discussing, and letting it go accomplishes nothing.

I would like to add I am not trying to prolong this thread, just responding to other posts. Do you see how we can have a good discussion about an important topic without insults or hate?? This is a good topic and it doesn't have to offend to be effective or worthy of discussion.It's good to discuss, however if you don't let the right people work with a sitaution, how can we as a family learn and improve? I think the current system for me is fine, but if there is a certain situation that you feel needs attention, bring it up to admin staff in a pm. They are good to correct situations here on the board. I myself bro, like to try to head off family members getting into a heated dispute, or getting ugly towards each other because we don't need that, and we are a family. It is okay to agree, and disagree. If you have ideas or suggestions to make things better within the current system bring in up to them in a pm. Who knows brother the shoe maybe on the other foot someday, and you maybe a Mod addressing an issue just like this.

All I ask is we work together to continue what the staff and AJ have brought this far, and to make it even better.:wink:
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feelthepain
02-15-2006, 01:51 AM
It's good to discuss, however if you don't let the right people work with a sitaution, how can we as a family learn and improve?
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You learn and improve through trial and error and from suggestions and imput from everyone. It's called democracy, the mere presence of the suggetion forum tells you this is a democracy and the powers that be are interested in what everyone thinks. Think about this, if what the Admin/Mods want is to truly be a great site then they will welcome this type of thread. Like I said there is no promise whats suggested will be used, but it's out there and it wouldn't be if someone didn't feel the need to put it there.

Wildbill3
02-15-2006, 02:24 AM
You learn and improve through trial and error and from suggestions and imput from everyone. It's called democracy, the mere presence of the suggetion forum tells you this is a democracy and the powers that be are interested in what everyone thinks. Think about this, if what the Admin/Mods want is to truly be a great site then they will welcome this type of thread. Like I said there is no promise whats suggested will be used, but it's out there and it wouldn't be if someone didn't feel the need to put it there.All well and good, so, shall we adjurn this meeting then? throughout this thread we have discussed the possibility of checks and balances, and the nature of the current checks and balances. We have also rejected the idea of a open system for disciplining Mods and Admin, and subsequently denied a motion for a change in the current system.

Still on the table is the open issue of mods who may or may not be ready for modship, which may be more of an issue of trail and error, and a learning process for Moderators and Admin. Rest assured that the process for staff trainining and discipline is an ongoing process.

Further as this thread shows, debate can be open, and respectful.

Any other issues before we wrap it up?

feelthepain
02-15-2006, 02:48 AM
Rest assured that the process for staff trainining and discipline is an ongoing process.

And is why imput and suggestions are important to the process!!





Any other issues before we wrap it up

It should reamin live and open for others to add input and/or suggestions. Since it is in the correct forum there is no need to "wrap it up".

Wildbill3
02-15-2006, 02:53 AM
And is why imput and suggestions are important to the process!!

It should reamin live and open for others to add input and/or suggestions. Since it is in the correct forum there is no need to "wrap it up".Input in the proper format with the proper care and respect to all involved is constructive, I agree, I think more than anything we tried to answer you questions and we also tried to provide an answer as to what the proper format is.

As to your second point, by no means was I suggesting an thread closing, but I don't think there are any questions that have gone unaswered so far...:wink:

feelthepain
02-15-2006, 03:40 AM
Input in the proper format with the proper care and respect to all involved is constructive, I agree, I think more than anything we tried to answer you questions and we also tried to provide an answer as to what the proper format is.


You have, but this is aso the proper format.


As to your second point, by no means was I suggesting an thread closing, but I don't think there are any questions that have gone unaswered so far...

Agreed!

njfinfan
02-15-2006, 06:05 AM
I am not trying to do anything more then just make a simple observation this isn't an attack on you or the site just a suggestion from a members standpoint, thats all Wharf. I understand how you feel and I understand what you're saying, but others are adding thier input and I'm just reponding to them, nothing more.

I think your initial idea is absolutely preposterous and I don't usually get involved in debates like these. That said I had to mention something. I don't know how many of our members realize that we have lives, families, other things to do, along with our mod duties. We do them as best we can and we don't get paid. We love the site and spend many hours here moving, merging, etc. We sleep and eat like every other member. In my opinion, this thread is nothing more than an attempt to incite the other members because you had a problem with one particular mod. Like wharfrat and nabocane said, don't belabor it. It's not going to happen.

Justasportsfan
02-15-2006, 10:02 AM
Maybe consider voting on a montly basis on Mod performances. Reason, because some MODs need to be governed like the members to keep them from abusing their power and keep them in line aswell, remember the members aren't the only ones that step out of line. Just a thought, not only would it keep the Mods from thinking they are untouchable, but the members will have a little more interaction with the site and will feel like they have a little more importance to this site. It also helps the Mods realize their job is not a right, but a prvililege. More work for the mods.

Some whiny posters will also abuse that and it could turn into a mess every end of the month. Ya'll remember Dolfan06?

Don't fix what isn't broken.

feelthepain
02-15-2006, 12:18 PM
I think your initial idea is absolutely preposterous and I don't usually get involved in debates like these. That said I had to mention something. I don't know how many of our members realize that we have lives, families, other things to do, along with our mod duties. We do them as best we can and we don't get paid. We love the site and spend many hours here moving, merging, etc. We sleep and eat like every other member. In my opinion, this thread is nothing more than an attempt to incite the other members because you had a problem with one particular mod. Like wharfrat and nabocane said, don't belabor it. It's not going to happen.


I think your attitude and tone in this post are strong indicators of what the problem is.

Mindwarp
02-15-2006, 12:31 PM
I think your attitude and tone in this post are strong indicators of what the problem is.


The problem with messageboards is your can't really tell somone's "tone" nj was trying to shead some light that a lot of people don't relize. At this point in time this thread is closed and done with. If you have further issues on this topic please PM one of The Admins

Wharfrat
inFINSible
PhinPhanPhromMI
Mindwarp