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BAMAPHIN 22
02-23-2006, 01:29 PM
George Steinbrenner is predicting the New York Yankees' five-year World Series drought will end this October.
"We're going to win it this year," the Yankees owner said Wednesday. "We're going after it."

The Yankees haven't won the World Series since beating the New York Mets in 2000. They lost to Arizona in 2001 and to Florida in 2003, were eliminated by the Angels in the first round of the playoffs in 2002 and 2005, and wasted a three-game lead against Boston in the 2004 AL Championship Series.

Steinbrenner had kept a lower profile in recent years, but has been present daily at Legends Field since the start of spring training last week.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/specials/spring_training/2006/02/22/bc.bba.yankees.steinbrenner.ap/index.html

nyjunc
02-23-2006, 01:50 PM
I think it's about time, 6 years is long enough to wait. It's ridiculous to have to wait more than 6 years for another World Championship:D

MikeO
02-23-2006, 01:52 PM
I think it's about time, 6 years is long enough to wait. It's ridiculous to have to wait more than 6 years for another World Championship:D

:sidelol:

djfresh47
02-23-2006, 02:00 PM
I don't like the Yankees pitching staff, but they're gonna score a ton of runs. Although pitching wins in the playoffs. Anyone else notice that after Giambi grew his face back he was a much better player?

MikeO
02-23-2006, 02:06 PM
I don't like the Yankees pitching staff, but they're gonna score a ton of runs. Although pitching wins in the playoffs. Anyone else notice that after Giambi grew his face back he was a much better player?

IF the pitchers stay healthy (big if) it is a good enough staff to win a championship. Besides with except maybe Chicago, no other staff in the AL is all that great.

Ray Finkle
02-23-2006, 02:19 PM
IF the pitchers stay healthy (big if) it is a good enough staff to win a championship. Besides with except maybe Chicago, no other staff in the AL is all that great.

IF Oakland's staff is healthy you don't think they'd be pretty tough to beat? (I know you say they always choke but the team is different now)

IF the Red Sox staff is healthy you don't think they'd be good? A healthy Schilling, Beckett, Wakefield, Wells(?), Papelbon/Arroyo/Clement.

I think if healthy IMO Chicago has the best staff followed by Oakland, Boston and the Yankees.

EDIT: I forgot the Blue Jays, they have a pretty good staff too.

MikeO
02-23-2006, 02:23 PM
IF Oakland's staff is healthy you don't think they'd be pretty tough to beat? (I know you say they always choke but the team is different now)

IF the Red Sox staff is healthy you don't think they'd be good? A healthy Schilling, Beckett, Wakefield, Wells(?), Papelbon/Arroyo/Clement.

I think if healthy IMO Chicago has the best staff followed by Oakland, Boston and the Yankees.

Chicago has the best staff. Although I'm not sure Garland will have another fairy-tale year like last year though.

The Yanks and Boston are about the same rotation wise. Almost everyone (Mussiana, Randy, Pavano, Wright, Beckett, Schilling, Wells...etc) all are "injury issue" type guys at this point in their career. So, whoever stays healthy will determine a lot. Both starting staffs are good enough to win a championship, but it comes down to who can stay healthy for a season.

Oakland........look, Loiaza in the AL will bomb. Zito will be gone come the trading deadline I would bet. I can't take them seriously on any level. They have great young arms. A great young closer. But since they never win, I can't take them seroiusly.

phunwin
02-23-2006, 02:26 PM
Oakland has easily been the most overhyped team of the offseason. Ooooh...they signed Frank Thomas for the 20 healthy games he'll give them. Huzzah, huzzah. Loaiza might have been the worst free agent signing of the offseason (it's almost certainly him or Tom Gordon). They've got some good arms, but where's the muscle in the lineup? They might well finish 3rd in the AL West.

MikeO
02-23-2006, 02:28 PM
Oakland has easily been the most overhyped team of the offseason. Ooooh...they signed Frank Thomas for the 20 healthy games he'll give them. Huzzah, huzzah. Loaiza might have been the worst free agent signing of the offseason (it's almost certainly him or Tom Gordon). They've got some good arms, but where's the muscle in the lineup? They might well finish 3rd in the AL West.

Tom Gordon in the NL will work. He's in a bad pitchers ballpark, but those cupcake NL lineups will make him look great.

phunwin
02-23-2006, 02:30 PM
BTW, for what it's worth, the AL is a coin flip between NY and Chicago. I don't like Boston this year, I think the Blue Jays are a year away, Oakland is BADLY overhyped, and the Angels are one hitter short.

Incidentally, I also don't get all these writers giving Kenny Williams verbal fellatio for his great offseason. He overpaid for Jim Thome (hey, if you want an injury-prone slugger, why not keep Frank Thomas for about 1/50th the price?) and picked up Javier Vazquez, who hasn't been more than an average pitcher in 2 years. I still think they're the co-favorites because they're the champs and they were a pretty young team last year, but I didn't think they did anything special this offseason.

phunwin
02-23-2006, 02:31 PM
Tom Gordon in the NL will work. He's in a bad pitchers ballpark, but those cupcake NL lineups will make him look great.

Gordon's declining K rate is a VERY bad sign given his age. And it's not a hiccup, it's been a steady decline of about 1 K/IP per year since 2003. He might look okay for a year, but years 2 and 3 of that deal are going to be disastrous.

Ray Finkle
02-23-2006, 02:34 PM
BTW, for what it's worth, the AL is a coin flip between NY and Chicago. I don't like Boston this year, I think the Blue Jays are a year away, Oakland is BADLY overhyped, and the Angels are one hitter short.

I respect your opinions phunwin, why don't you like Boston's and Oakland's chances.

I think Oakland's staff is good Zito, Harden (maybe the 2nd or 3rd best pitcher in the AL), Blanton, Haren and Loizia. I don't like Loizia but there are worse #5 pitchers out there. I don't think Oakland is overhyped by their FA signings his winter. I think the biggest key to them last year was Harden going down. IF he's healthy Zito, Harden and Blanton will be a tough team to beat down the strench. I also like Street a lot.

I disagree with you Mike. Zito, if Oakland is in the race, won't be traded. Beane never traded any of his big FA if the team was in the race. Right or wrong he never has.

MikeO
02-23-2006, 03:09 PM
I respect your opinions phunwin, why don't you like Boston's and Oakland's chances.

I think Oakland's staff is good Zito, Harden (maybe the 2nd or 3rd best pitcher in the AL), Blanton, Haren and Loizia. I don't like Loizia but there are worse #5 pitchers out there. I don't think Oakland is overhyped by their FA signings his winter. I think the biggest key to them last year was Harden going down. IF he's healthy Zito, Harden and Blanton will be a tough team to beat down the strench. I also like Street a lot.

I disagree with you Mike. Zito, if Oakland is in the race, won't be traded. Beane never traded any of his big FA if the team was in the race. Right or wrong he never has.

If Oakland wins something big just once, I might buy them as a threat. I can't take them seriously right now. New faces, new names, same result.

MikeO
02-23-2006, 03:12 PM
BTW, for what it's worth, the AL is a coin flip between NY and Chicago. I don't like Boston this year, I think the Blue Jays are a year away, Oakland is BADLY overhyped, and the Angels are one hitter short.

Incidentally, I also don't get all these writers giving Kenny Williams verbal fellatio for his great offseason. He overpaid for Jim Thome (hey, if you want an injury-prone slugger, why not keep Frank Thomas for about 1/50th the price?) and picked up Javier Vazquez, who hasn't been more than an average pitcher in 2 years. I still think they're the co-favorites because they're the champs and they were a pretty young team last year, but I didn't think they did anything special this offseason.

Chicago has 3 issues heading into this year......

1)While a bad division, Cleveland will be ready for 162 this year and won't take the first half of the year off like last year.

2) They have a manager who could blow-up and divide that team at any moment. And he is such a "spotlight" hog, it will happen. Not a matter of IF.

3) Garland is a .500 lifetime pitcher who went 18-10 last year. That probably won't happen again. Their starting pitching is still very very good, but they had a fairy-tale season last year. You usually don't get 2 of those in a row. Will Contrases go back to his old ways? Same with Garland.

Ray Finkle
02-23-2006, 05:10 PM
If Oakland wins something big just once, I might buy them as a threat. I can't take them seriously right now. New faces, new names, same result.

That's fine. However I can't see how you don't like their pitching rotation of Zito, Harden, Blanton and Haren. I honestly think if Harden didn't get hurt last year the A's would have made the playoffs instead of the Angels. I think that the A's have the best rotation in the West.

phunwin
02-23-2006, 06:32 PM
I respect your opinions phunwin, why don't you like Boston's and Oakland's chances.

I think Oakland's staff is good Zito, Harden (maybe the 2nd or 3rd best pitcher in the AL), Blanton, Haren and Loizia. I don't like Loizia but there are worse #5 pitchers out there. I don't think Oakland is overhyped by their FA signings his winter. I think the biggest key to them last year was Harden going down. IF he's healthy Zito, Harden and Blanton will be a tough team to beat down the strench. I also like Street a lot.

I disagree with you Mike. Zito, if Oakland is in the race, won't be traded. Beane never traded any of his big FA if the team was in the race. Right or wrong he never has.

Thanks.

I don't like Boston because I think they lose out (for this year, anyway) by replacing Damon with Crisp. That's a downgrade. But more importantly, I'm not in love with their pitching. Beckett's good, but somewhat injury prone (note: I'm not faulting them for the trade itself; it was a good deal, but Beckett clearly has question marks), I think Father Time has caught up with Schilling, and God only knows what's up with Clement. So the top three starters all have serious issues. Also, the bullpen could be scary. It's been a sore point for a couple years, but they're putting a fair amount of faith in Keith Foulke, who was a train wreck in 2005. Finally, I think they're one slow start or "Manny being Manny" moment away from finally moving Manny Ramirez, which takes them from a very good lineup to merely an above-average one.

Right now, I think Toronto's a better team. But if Schilling and Foulke get off on the right foot, there's no reason they can't challenge the Yankees.

As for the A's, sure they can pitch, but who's gonna hit? Thomas can't stay healthy. Bradley's probably going to knife a teammate in the clubhouse at some point. Chavez should bounce back some, and a healthy Crosby will help, but I just don't like their lineup. If Nick Swisher picks up the pace, and everything else goes right, they'll be okay.

Ray Finkle
02-23-2006, 07:35 PM
Thanks.

I don't like Boston because I think they lose out (for this year, anyway) by replacing Damon with Crisp. That's a downgrade. But more importantly, I'm not in love with their pitching. Beckett's good, but somewhat injury prone (note: I'm not faulting them for the trade itself; it was a good deal, but Beckett clearly has question marks), I think Father Time has caught up with Schilling, and God only knows what's up with Clement. So the top three starters all have serious issues. Also, the bullpen could be scary. It's been a sore point for a couple years, but they're putting a fair amount of faith in Keith Foulke, who was a train wreck in 2005. Finally, I think they're one slow start or "Manny being Manny" moment away from finally moving Manny Ramirez, which takes them from a very good lineup to merely an above-average one.

Right now, I think Toronto's a better team. But if Schilling and Foulke get off on the right foot, there's no reason they can't challenge the Yankees.

As for the A's, sure they can pitch, but who's gonna hit? Thomas can't stay healthy. Bradley's probably going to knife a teammate in the clubhouse at some point. Chavez should bounce back some, and a healthy Crosby will help, but I just don't like their lineup. If Nick Swisher picks up the pace, and everything else goes right, they'll be okay.

I actually think the Sox bullpen is a strength. Clearly it depends on Foulke. If he's 2004 Foulke then the Sox pen could be one of the best in baseball, with Timlin and Taveras setting him up and Riske and Saenez pitching the 6th and 7th. I think if Foulke goes down it will be a loss for the Sox however I don't think it will kill the team like it did last year. Timlin could go into the closer's role and Taveras could set him up, or Papelbon (former Mississippi State Closer) could get the job or even Craig Hansen (if he's ready).

I think everyone would agree that the Sox starters are ? marks. From the reports and pictures I've seen of Schilling it looks like he lost all the weight he put on last off season when he couldn't work out due to his ankle. Clement is right now the Sox 5th starter. And your 100% right who knows with him. He was 10 and 2 before the All Star game (where he pitched in) and then just crapped out. Many blame it on getting hit in the head but he started to stink before that game. So who knows. Ditto for Wells, who knows if he'll be there tomorrow or in April. My guess is he'll be traded by March 15th. Wakefield is Wakefield. I do feel that, and maybe this is the homer in me, if Schilling and Beckett are healthy the Sox will be a tough team to beat. A rotation of Schilling, Beckett, Papelbon, Wakefield and Clement/Arroyo is pretty nice. The key pitchers are Schilling and Foulke. The wild card is Papelbon.

I disagree with you on the Manny thing. I think he'll be in Boston for the rest of the year and I'll be shocked if he's ever moved. I'm sure that he'll have his "Manny moments" where he'll want to be traded again etc. But the Sox aren't going to trade him to trade him. They want value back for him and if they can't get it, I'm sure they'll be happy keeping a 30 plus HR/100 RBI guy on the team.

I think the Sox have the most depth in the AL East. Where if a player gets hurt they can fit someone into the role easier compared to the Yankees or Jays.

I like the Jays a lot too. I liked them last year too. I'm actually worried about them. I could see them being the 2006 verison of the 2005 O's (being in 1st place during the first few months of the season). I think their starting pitching will hurt them though. Besides Halladay, they're all injury ? marks and plus can they handle the pressure of pitching in a playoff race? I still wouldn't count them out though.

The A's are my favorites in the West. I love their pitching and you're right there hitting is weak but pitching wins games. I'm not in love with Texas or Seattle. And I think the Angels didn't do anything to help upgrade the team, in fact I think they downgraded themselves losting Paul Byrd and Molina. But we'll see I guess.

(P.S. Your new avatar puts you up bunch of points in my book :cooldude: )

Rocky Raccoon
02-24-2006, 12:19 AM
sorry George...theres a better team in town :D

Roman529
02-24-2006, 12:40 AM
George Steinbrenner is predicting the New York Yankees' five-year World Series drought will end this October.
"We're going to win it this year," the Yankees owner said Wednesday. "We're going after it."

The Yankees haven't won the World Series since beating the New York Mets in 2000. They lost to Arizona in 2001 and to Florida in 2003, were eliminated by the Angels in the first round of the playoffs in 2002 and 2005, and wasted a three-game lead against Boston in the 2004 AL Championship Series.

Steinbrenner had kept a lower profile in recent years, but has been present daily at Legends Field since the start of spring training last week.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/specials/spring_training/2006/02/22/bc.bba.yankees.steinbrenner.ap/index.html

Sorry George you can't buy a championship.

dob72
03-01-2006, 11:13 AM
Sorry George you can't buy a championship.
he did before and the red soxs proved u can still