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dm416
02-25-2006, 12:02 PM
People have been saying that Cutler may jump Leinart or Young in the draft. This is a really good article about the hype surrounding Jay Cutler.
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9265112

Motion
02-25-2006, 12:13 PM
Theres an even better article in my sig.

dm416
02-25-2006, 12:19 PM
Theres an even better article in my sig.

The link in your sig isn't working.

dolfan3431
02-25-2006, 12:23 PM
i agree if he was better he would have went to a better football school than vandy

Motion
02-25-2006, 12:26 PM
i agree if he was better he would have went to a better footbalol school than vandy

So you judge talent based on the school they come from? Ridiculous

Motion
02-25-2006, 12:27 PM
The link in your sig isn't working.

Looks like Yahoo moved there article. :mad:

Motion
02-25-2006, 12:32 PM
We'll see what happens on April 29th. That guy can talk about team records all he wants but when it comes down to it Cutler has all the tools necessary to be a solid NFL QB.

rafael
02-25-2006, 12:42 PM
i agree if he was better he would have went to a better footbalol school than vandy

If Jerry Rice were any good, he wouldn't have gone to Mississippi Valley State. :shakeno:

dolfan3431
02-25-2006, 12:59 PM
So you judge talent based on the school they come from? Ridiculous

ya i do you can have a guy throwing for 50 td's in divisoin III and have a guy throwing 10 in division I and you r going to tell me D III is better.... no. If cutler is that good he would have been recruited by schools like USC, Michigan, Texas, etc. and scouts would have seen his talent earlier. He may have the physical tools needed but so did ryan leaf and we saw how that panned out

dolfan3431
02-25-2006, 01:00 PM
If Jerry Rice were any good, he wouldn't have gone to Mississippi Valley State. :shakeno:

WR is way diffrent than quaterback pal

Motion
02-25-2006, 01:05 PM
ya i do you can have a guy throwing for 50 td's in divisoin III and have a guy throwing 10 in division I and you r going to tell me D III is better.... no. If cutler is that good he would have been recruited by schools like USC, Michigan, Texas, etc. and scouts would have seen his talent earlier. He may have the physical tools needed but so did ryan leaf and we saw how that panned out

So leading the SEC in passing and being named All-SEC QB means nothing too I guess?

We're not talking about different divisions.

Motion
02-25-2006, 01:06 PM
WR is way diffrent than quaterback pal

Why? Same difference according to your explanantion. If he had the talent they would have seen it. :rolleyes2

RalphX19X
02-25-2006, 01:06 PM
i agree if he was better he would have went to a better football school than vandy
I guess Big Ben sucks because he went to Miami of Ohio...

dolfan3431
02-25-2006, 01:08 PM
dude all he had was one notable season and that wasn't even that good. Leinart was all 1st team pac ten 3 times. The only Qb that could compete with cutler was Leak and he was learning a new system

dolfan3431
02-25-2006, 01:08 PM
I guess Big Ben sucks because he went to Miami of Ohio...

better school than Vandy

dolfan3431
02-25-2006, 01:11 PM
Why? Same difference according to your explanantion. If he had the talent they would have seen it. :rolleyes2

please dude hes once in a lifetime and times have changed since like 20 years ago. Schools study players a lot more than in the past to get the best player

Motion
02-25-2006, 01:14 PM
dude all he had was one notable season and that wasn't even that good. Leinart was all 1st team pac ten 3 times. The only Qb that could compete with cutler was Leak and he was learning a new system

Pac 10 is nothing compared to the SEC. Cutler didn't have near as many weapons as Leinart either. He was forced to run a option offense his first couple years there and when put in a pro style offense he improved greatly, hence your "one notable season".

Brodie Croyle? DJ Shockley? Jamarcus Russell? There are other QBs in the SEC besides Leak.

Flyer22
02-25-2006, 01:17 PM
i agree if he was better he would have went to a better football school than vandy Here are some QBs from schools that aren't exactly football powerhouses:
Terry Bradshaw- Louisiana Tech
Johnny Unitas- Louisville
Brett Favre- Southern Mississippi
Ben Roethlisberger- Miami Ohio
Kurt Warner- Northern Iowa
Byron Leftwich- Marshall

And much more that I can't think of.

dolfan3431
02-25-2006, 01:24 PM
alright, you guys win all i'm trying to say is that I agree he is not better than Leinart or Young and that he is a little over hyped. Besides Brees is our future right.:D We don't want to agrue over or defend a future jet now do we:wink:

adamprez2003
02-25-2006, 01:34 PM
LOL. This is why the guy isnt a scout. Using his reasoning no player who played on a losing team would ever be drafted before players on a winning team. Flawed reasoning.

dolfan3431
02-25-2006, 01:37 PM
LOL. This is why the guy isnt a scout. Using his reasoning no player who played on a losing team would ever be drafted before players on a winning team. Flawed reasoning.


your right thats is why i am not a scout but i said i was wrong now drop it i just voiced my opinon ok dude

Pennington's Rocket Arm
02-25-2006, 01:37 PM
i agree if he was better he would have went to a better football school than vandy
if anything it just shows how good cutler can be one day because he apparently wasn't that good of a prospect coming out of high school, and now he's a top 10 pick.

dolfan3431
02-25-2006, 01:40 PM
ya but again you have to go back at ryan leaf and look at the school the school he came from, its a terrible football school and hes got the same tools has cutler. So don't hype cutler up too much hes good but not better than the other two

Motion
02-25-2006, 01:43 PM
ya but again you have to go back at ryan leaf and look at the school the school he came from, its a terrible football school and hes got the same tools has cutler. So don't hype cutler up too much hes good but not better than the other two

All a matter of opinion at this poiint.

Flyer22
02-25-2006, 01:48 PM
ya but again you have to go back at ryan leaf and look at the school the school he came from, its a terrible football school and hes got the same tools has cutler. So don't hype cutler up too much hes good but not better than the other two Washington State's football program is far from terrible. Also, E-sports.com rated it the 17th best quarterback school in the country- http://www.e-sports.com/articles/385/1/Which-college-is-%22Quarterback-U%3F%22

adamprez2003
02-25-2006, 01:55 PM
your right thats is why i am not a scout but i said i was wrong now drop it i just voiced my opinon ok dude

I wasnt talking about you, I was commenting on the writer- sorry if you took it the wrong way

Pennington's Rocket Arm
02-25-2006, 02:09 PM
ya but again you have to go back at ryan leaf and look at the school the school he came from, its a terrible football school and hes got the same tools has cutler. So don't hype cutler up too much hes good but not better than the other two
how many times has washington state been in the rose bowl the last 15 years? a lot more times than vanderbilt has even had a winning season (which is 0). what school a player goes to has NOTHING to do with their abilities. absolutely nothing. and leaf doesn't have the same tools as cutler; cutler is far more athletic.

dolfan3431
02-25-2006, 02:18 PM
I wasnt talking about you, I was commenting on the writer- sorry if you took it the wrong way


my bad dude

Tone_E
02-25-2006, 02:30 PM
Cutler did to 23 reps at 225 lbs. Just thought I'd throw that in, not sure if it was already posted. Pretty impressive though.

dm416
02-25-2006, 02:44 PM
At this point, I'm not really concerned about Cutler, because I believe that Brees is or #1 option and Culpepper is our #2. He will likely go as high as #4 or as low as #22 (Cowboys). Pesonally, I think we need to get a OL or a DB in RD 1. We could get a QB, but only in RD 3 or lower. I don't feel comfortable prasing a QB that will go to the Jets.

Motion
02-25-2006, 03:13 PM
At this point, I'm not really concerned about Cutler, because I believe that Brees is or #1 option and Culpepper is our #2. He will likely go as high as #4 or as low as #22 (Cowboys). Pesonally, I think we need to get a OL or a DB in RD 1. We could get a QB, but only in RD 3 or lower. I don't feel comfortable prasing a QB that will go to the Jets.


Jets? My bet is Titans.

dm416
02-25-2006, 03:22 PM
Jets? My bet is Titans.

There is no way the Titans pass up Young or Leinart.

Coral Reefer
02-25-2006, 03:33 PM
People have been saying that Cutler may jump Leinart or Young in the draft. This is a really good article about the hype surrounding Jay Cutler.
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9265112

I love these thread titles that lead you to believe someone in fact knows who will be better in the NFL. "Cutler is NOT *#@ thunder claps in background*#@ better than Leinart or Young!

Then you look to see their whole basis is citing the opinion of one of the 1000 sports writers that all have a different opinion.

That article is NOT telling in any way about who is a greater prospect.

No one knows for sure not even the experts let alone some idiot on CBS Sportsline. There are many on this board that I would take an opinion over many talking heads in the media.

IMO, 2 QB's are head and shoulders above the other.
Those 2 great prospects are Leinart and Cutler over Young.
Both have the physical tools, accuracy and mind set that an NFL QB needs to have.

Vince Young will not be able to fall back on his running skills to take over a game and teams will game plan to take his dink and dunk game away from him in the NFL.

Personally, I'd be very dissapointed if we took Young at #16.
Way too much of a project for a mid first round pick.
Just my opinion on it.

We all have em, we'll just wait and see.

Motion
02-25-2006, 03:38 PM
There is no way the Titans pass up Young or Leinart.

There sure is. Your over rating Young.

dm416
02-25-2006, 03:53 PM
Young is the best QB in the draft. He singlehandedly tore apart USC. He's a bigger version of Michael Vick. If you could pick one QB to win one game (between Young, Leinart, and Cutler). You take Young, Leinart, and Cutler in that order. Young is an offense by himself, and so is Cutler. But Young has proven he is the best QB in the draft. (see Rose Bowl) Leinart requires talent around him (Reggie Bush, Dwayne Jarret, Steve Smith) which is why he will probably go to the Saints. (Deuce McCallister, Joe Horn, Dante Stallworth). Plus, I really don't want to see Vince Young in a Jets uniform, it would cause us problems for the next 7 years. :boohoo:

Motion
02-25-2006, 04:01 PM
Young is the best QB in the draft. He singlehandedly tore apart USC. He's a bigger version of Michael Vick. If you could pick one QB to win one game (between Young, Leinart, and Cutler). You take Young, Leinart, and Cutler in that order. Young is an offense by himself, and so is Cutler. But Young has proven he is the best QB in the draft. (see Rose Bowl) Leinart requires talent around him (Reggie Bush, Dwayne Jarret, Steve Smith) which is why he will probably go to the Saints. (Deuce McCallister, Joe Horn, Dante Stallworth). Plus, I really don't want to see Vince Young in a Jets uniform, it would cause us problems for the next 7 years. :boohoo:
Unlike you I don't base my opinion of a QB on one game where he had success against the 39th ranked defense in the nation. I'd love to see him on the Jets, the Dolphins D would own him for years to come. He hasn't proven squat yet.

dm416
02-25-2006, 04:08 PM
Unlike you I don't base my opinion of a QB on one game where he had success against the 39th ranked defense in the nation. I'd love to see him on the Jets, the Dolphins D would own him for years to come. He hasn't proven squat yet.

I'm not basing it all on 1 game. He did great the whole season. Why would you want to see him on the jets? As much as I hate to say it, Pennington caused us enough problems with his noodle of an arm. Vince Young would totally revamp the Jets offense, something I don't want to see.

Alex44
02-25-2006, 04:10 PM
Cutler is worlds more talented than Leinart and a little less talented than Young, thats just my opinion

QBs look like this

1- Young
2- Cutler
3- Leinart/Croyle
4- Jacobs

3 is a tie, Leinart is more polished but long term I think Croyle could end up being the better player

tartan y fronts
02-25-2006, 04:22 PM
as college qbs:

leinart > young > cutler

as pro qbs:

leinart > cutler > young

Skeet84
02-25-2006, 05:31 PM
i agree if he was better he would have went to a better football school than vandy


OMG Where did Jerry Rice go to College ? :sidelol: :sidelol: :sidelol:

Terrel Owens went to the Universty Of Tn Chatt.

Skeet84
02-25-2006, 05:33 PM
better school than Vandy


Miami of Ohio is not better than Vandy. May have a better Football team every now and then but overall its not even close! You know sometimes people actually want an education and Vandy has one of the best. Also a very very rich school.

Skeet84
02-25-2006, 05:36 PM
Here are some QBs from schools that aren't exactly football powerhouses:
Terry Bradshaw- Louisiana Tech
Johnny Unitas- Louisville
Brett Favre- Southern Mississippi
Ben Roethlisberger- Miami Ohio
Kurt Warner- Northern Iowa
Byron Leftwich- Marshall

And much more that I can't think of.


Marshall also had Chad Pennington! Oh and not a QB but Randy Moss!:wink:

Skeet84
02-25-2006, 05:39 PM
how many times has washington state been in the rose bowl the last 15 years? a lot more times than vanderbilt has even had a winning season (which is 0). what school a player goes to has NOTHING to do with their abilities. absolutely nothing. and leaf doesn't have the same tools as cutler; cutler is far more athletic.


Look who Vandy plays every year some of the best school in the Country. They are in the SEC east with Florida, Vols, GA Bulldogs, Kentucky, and South Carolina. That does not count the teams they play from the SEC West. You think the Pac 10 has that many powerhouseS?

jlfin
02-25-2006, 11:57 PM
ya i do you can have a guy throwing for 50 td's in divisoin III and have a guy throwing 10 in division I and you r going to tell me D III is better.... no. If cutler is that good he would have been recruited by schools like USC, Michigan, Texas, etc. and scouts would have seen his talent earlier. He may have the physical tools needed but so did ryan leaf and we saw how that panned out

Some guys develop physically later than others. Jeff George was one of the top HS recruits in the country at one time.
Culpepper went to UCF and I don't even know where guys like Kurt Warner, Matt Hasselbeck and Trent Green went to school.

jlfin
02-25-2006, 11:59 PM
Young is the best QB in the draft. He singlehandedly tore apart USC. He's a bigger version of Michael Vick. If you could pick one QB to win one game (between Young, Leinart, and Cutler). You take Young, Leinart, and Cutler in that order. Young is an offense by himself, and so is Cutler. But Young has proven he is the best QB in the draft. (see Rose Bowl) Leinart requires talent around him (Reggie Bush, Dwayne Jarret, Steve Smith) which is why he will probably go to the Saints. (Deuce McCallister, Joe Horn, Dante Stallworth). Plus, I really don't want to see Vince Young in a Jets uniform, it would cause us problems for the next 7 years. :boohoo:

We are talking about a QB's skills translating to the NFL game. I wouldn't use Michael Vick in my argument, because he's a bust (when considering his draft position). He's not a franchise QB.

daniel3
02-26-2006, 12:16 AM
We are talking about a QB's skills translating to the NFL game. I wouldn't use Michael Vick in my argument, because he's a bust (when considering his draft position). He's not a franchise QB. How is Vick a bust? Because he hasn't won a superbowl?

Pennington's Rocket Arm
02-26-2006, 12:17 AM
How is Vick a bust? Because he hasn't won a superbowl?
because he was the #1 player taken in a draft after a team traded a lot for him, and he's been nothing but an average player since then.

daniel3
02-26-2006, 12:20 AM
because he was the #1 player taken in a draft after a team traded a lot for him, and he's been nothing but an average player since then. How is winning over 60% of your games as a starter average? Is that standard for an NFL QB? Some of you guys are killing yourselves to get Brees and he hasn't even come close to doing that with just about as much as, if not more, talent around him than Vick has in the past 5 years.

dm416
02-26-2006, 12:39 AM
Vick is not a bust, he is a great QB, but no one likes mobile QBs.

LIQUID24
02-26-2006, 12:44 AM
Vick certainly isn't a bust, but he definitely hasn't lived up to the hype either. And it's quite worrisome that he hasn't improved one bit since his 2nd year. I don't like his attitude either, he seems to blame everyone but himself.

Motion
02-26-2006, 12:51 AM
I wouldn't quite call him great at this point.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
02-26-2006, 02:36 AM
Vick is not a bust, he is a great QB, but no one likes mobile QBs.
i dont like QBs that can't read defenses or understand offenses.