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ufmike22
02-26-2006, 08:48 PM
He has one career start in college football. That means he's never been good enough to start at corner on his own team. So he hurts his knee and doesn't play at all this year and he somehow gets good enough to take in the first round of the draft to cover NFL wideouts?

How many of you guys have actually seen him play and be worthy of the "top 3 talent" label that Mel Kiper - I mean - Boomer has bestowed upon him? Is it his 5 career picks? Was it that lucky bounce he caught on that fumble return touchdown against Miami in 2004?

He only has buzz because he was a highly touted recruit, not because he actually made a worthy case of being one of the best players in college football.

You've got plenty of guys in this draft, way more than last year, that are physically impressive and produced in college. Wouldn't it make more sense to take one of those guys instead of gambling on a corner who hasn't played a whole lot of college football while coming off of a major knee injury?

34isback
02-26-2006, 08:50 PM
who is?

finfromthenorth
02-26-2006, 08:53 PM
who is cromartie???

ChambersWI
02-26-2006, 08:55 PM
6'3 cornerback. Nuff said.

The one reason why I'm iffy about him is he didn't play this year.

ufmike22
02-26-2006, 08:57 PM
6'3 cornerback. Nuff said.

The one reason why I'm iffy about him is he didn't play this year.

So if a corner is 6'3", he's automatically the best?

http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?t=126337

look at how high some of these posters have cromartie rated. Ahead of Reggie Bush???

Boomer had that post in the thread earlier saying he has as good of hips as he's seen this decade. I have to wonder how many guys hips Boomer has been watching this decade.

ChambersWI
02-26-2006, 09:01 PM
I'm not saying he's the best, but with how tall the WRs are getting tall CBs will be getting higher grades until they prove they don't deserve to go that high.

Look no further than last year with Oregon State CB Brandon Browner. He was 6'4, and reportedly ran a 4.4 40 so he had a late 1st grade. But at the combine and pro day he ran a 4.6 and went undrafted.

If Cromartie has good workouts, he'll be a first round pick

MadLib
02-26-2006, 09:03 PM
Obviously Cromartie's potential is a lot bigger than the results so far but the reason im so big on him is the fact that he could slip to our pick in the 2nd and that would be an absolute robbery considering the skill set this guy brings. He was considered by many to be the top cornerback in the nation and was a pre-season all-american. If he didnt get injured he likely would have been a top ten pick this year. I wouldnt gamble on him with our first but id be all about it if he ends up falling to us in the 2nd.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
02-26-2006, 09:11 PM
he is a shutdown corner with freak physical ability who fits nick saban's mold for tough physical corners with smarts to go along with his physical attributes. that's why.

badfoot
02-26-2006, 09:18 PM
Is this a boomer hater thread? we need to have a forum for this .I havent heard anything about us going after this guy although i agree with madlib on this one .. if he falls to the second round he would be tough to pass up.

badfoot
02-26-2006, 09:21 PM
After reading this thread again ...someone is hatin.. me thinks mike is upset with boomer more so than anyone wanting crom.

nolefin
02-26-2006, 09:39 PM
The guy runs like a deer, is very fluid and could play either wr,cb or safety he does not have alot of playing time but you just know when a guy is a stud and he is, but i dont want to waste a 1st on a guy who just came off knee surgery. maybe in the 2nd though.

Geforce
02-26-2006, 10:45 PM
He has one career start in college football. That means he's never been good enough to start at corner on his own team. So he hurts his knee and doesn't play at all this year and he somehow gets good enough to take in the first round of the draft to cover NFL wideouts?

How many of you guys have actually seen him play and be worthy of the "top 3 talent" label that Mel Kiper - I mean - Boomer has bestowed upon him? Is it his 5 career picks? Was it that lucky bounce he caught on that fumble return touchdown against Miami in 2004?

He only has buzz because he was a highly touted recruit, not because he actually made a worthy case of being one of the best players in college football.

You've got plenty of guys in this draft, way more than last year, that are physically impressive and produced in college. Wouldn't it make more sense to take one of those guys instead of gambling on a corner who hasn't played a whole lot of college football while coming off of a major knee injury?

Antonio Cromartie is a big cornerback with oustanding speed. He was named first team All-ACC his sophomore season when he tied for the conference lead in interceptions, returning one for a TD. Cromartie has loads of talent and could have easily been a top 15 pick next year if he had returned to school and proved that he was over his ACL injury.

motioncityhifi
02-26-2006, 10:46 PM
Sounds like hatred for cromartie is based on him being a gators homer more than anything.

playmaker1
02-26-2006, 11:06 PM
he has alot of potential. If he will be healthy, he will be a big time upgrade in our secondary if we can land him. I am all for it. 6'3 is alot bigger than most WRs, I like that match up

ufmike22
02-26-2006, 11:36 PM
Do not attack anyone just because you don't agree with them.


After reading this thread again ...someone is hatin.. me thinks mike is upset with boomer more so than anyone wanting crom.
I'm not upset with Boomer, I just think he's a huge tool. As I stated above, I think him declaring Cromartie as top 3 talent is incredibly weak based on the limited showcase Cromartie has actually had to display. He didn't yet prove himself as an elite, reliable player in college and all of a sudden he's worht the gamble after a major knee injury at the next level? Boomer says he has the best hips he's seen this decade and people are eating it up. How does Boomer measure these hips? How does the 1997 class of CB stack up in terms of hips? 1998? 1999?

If he runs a 4.2 and has a 40 inch vertical and is a legit 6'3" on Tuesday, then I could understand saying he is a top talent. But basing it now on the 4 INTs he had in 2004 and his 5 star recruting ranking is about as lame as it gets.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
02-26-2006, 11:49 PM
boomer watches the players play before forming an opinion.

FinNasty
02-26-2006, 11:53 PM
He has one career start in college football. That means he's never been good enough to start at corner on his own team. So he hurts his knee and doesn't play at all this year and he somehow gets good enough to take in the first round of the draft to cover NFL wideouts?

How many of you guys have actually seen him play and be worthy of the "top 3 talent" label that Mel Kiper - I mean - Boomer has bestowed upon him? Is it his 5 career picks? Was it that lucky bounce he caught on that fumble return touchdown against Miami in 2004?

He only has buzz because he was a highly touted recruit, not because he actually made a worthy case of being one of the best players in college football.

You've got plenty of guys in this draft, way more than last year, that are physically impressive and produced in college. Wouldn't it make more sense to take one of those guys instead of gambling on a corner who hasn't played a whole lot of college football while coming off of a major knee injury?
People are high on him, because of his measureables...

He is 6'3 210, and supposedly runs a 4.3 40... those are some pretty impressive measureables...

I havent moved him above Jimmy Williams though like most have. However, Cromartie has ALOT of potential... and might have a higher ceiling than JW...

ya... and dont hate on Boomer... the guy puts alot of time into studying players... And, remember that they are just his opinions... feel free to disagree with him, but dont talk about the guy like he has no idea what he is talking about... :shakeno:

playmaker1
02-27-2006, 12:07 AM
I agree, Boomer spend alot of time watching film, I sure wish I got paid to do the same

Skeet84
02-27-2006, 03:00 AM
Well being a Huge Gator fan I have whatched him and I whatched 1 game that was FSU v.s. Miami and he was a FrEaK!

Oraclepz
02-27-2006, 03:24 AM
ok heres the thing.. my friend goes to FSU and his opinion is that cromatie is a freak...but he laughs at how high hes being regarded in the mock drafts because he says it doenst matter how good a player is. IF hes not on the field to play... cromartie is a gamble im willing to take on the 3rd round or later...

Skeet84
02-27-2006, 03:28 AM
ok heres the thing.. my friend goes to FSU and his opinion is that cromatie is a freak...but he laughs at how high hes being regarded in the mock drafts because he says it doenst matter how good a player is. IF hes not on the field to play... cromartie is a gamble im willing to take on the 3rd round or later...


Wow 3rd round or Later! :sidelol: :sidelol:

There is no way that he stays on the board that long. It will be mid 2nd at the latest. I mean will poole tore his ACL does that mean we cut him? Its alot harder for a RB to come back from that injury than a CB. He probably might lose some speed, But he is still gunna be good

Boomer
02-27-2006, 08:53 AM
I'm not upset with Boomer, I just think he's a huge tool. As I stated above, I think him declaring Cromartie as top 3 talent is incredibly weak based on the limited showcase Cromartie has actually had to display. He didn't yet prove himself as an elite, reliable player in college and all of a sudden he's worht the gamble after a major knee injury at the next level? Boomer says he has the best hips he's seen this decade and people are eating it up. How does Boomer measure these hips? How does the 1997 class of CB stack up in terms of hips? 1998? 1999?

If he runs a 4.2 and has a 40 inch vertical and is a legit 6'3" on Tuesday, then I could understand saying he is a top talent. But basing it now on the 4 INTs he had in 2004 and his 5 star recruting ranking is about as lame as it gets.

Oh dear.

OK, Antonio Cromartie. What would you like to know? First off all you're incorrect with the comments about him not being good enough to start for FSU. That's utter nonsense. Bobby Bowden's starters, especially on defense are people that start the 1st play of the 1st series. Often they may only play 3 or 4 more plays the entire game. Bobby usually tends to let more senior players take the start.

I'm sure you knew that Cromartie was essentially was part of a 3 corner starting rotation for 2 years with Leroy Smith and Bryant McFadden.

Your general lack of knowledge on him is pretty funny. And all this stuff about 'best hips this decade'.....if you're going to quote me, then at least quote me correctly. I said 'best hips in a decade'. Of course you wouldn't know HOW to measure a cornerbacks hips. But you like to come on here and coat someone off who you know nothing about, about a player you know nothing about.

The fact that he tore his ACL certainly stopped him from grading out as a top 5 overall player, but that's where he would have been. But don't take my word for it, do some research, find out what people are saying. Athletically at 6-3, 210, with Olympic speed, this kid is a lock down corner, a planet theory type performer. I'm sure you know all about him as your remarkable rundown of his talents (using a 5 star recruiting grade.....FLMAO....) shows.

I'm sure then that I don't need to tell you that he's running consistent 4.35's at his training camp in Georgia including a 4.31. He ripped off 24 on the bench at 225 and has been running off 40 inch verticals like he was turning the TV on.

I'm sure that you knew that Nick Saban, Mel Phillips, Randy Mueller, etc. have had a long dinner recently with him and are, along with the Falcons, Giants and Chiefs the most interested in him.

I'm sure you know about his long arms and his ability to use his hands, how he can jam at the line knocking even the biggest and most physical WR off their routes, his back-pedal, how well and quickly he flips his hips and how he does so smoothly without losing speed, how he does a superb job of locating to the ball and breaking on it, using high quality instincts, how he has the skills to play man or zone and how he uses his body in run support, reacting instinctively and breaking off the route cover to attack the ball carrier. Whilst not a great tackler, he's certainly good enough.

I'm sure you're aware of just how much upside he possesses and how highly rated he is by NFL teams.

I'm sure your wide ranging knowledge, which you clearly displayed when referring to me as a 'huge tool' knows how to grade out corners. I'm certain that you know how to study hip turns, backpedal and acceleration, range, how a corner covers the ground, the awareness, the plant and drive for the ball, how they get to the ball, whether they evade the receiver to avoid the PI call, footwork going forward and backwards, how they read the QB from the pre-snap read to delivery of the ball, how they get through trash, get out across the field in run support, how they tackle, how they work off the field, etc etc etc.

I'm sure you know that it's interesting how teams have talked about moving the bigger corners - Huff, Williams, etc to safety - but not Cromartie. There's a reason for that.

To be honest, I'm bored of dealing with kids like you who know nothing about how to grade a prospect, have never sat up going through tape after tape after tape, play after play after play studying how kids play and project.

Come back when you have something worthwhile to say and that your argument isn't based on being a Gator fan who doesn't like the Noles and using a recruiting grade as the reason why most draft analysts see him as a top 15 pick even now and one who would have been a top 5 pick without the ACL or in 2007.

Pathetic.

Boomer
02-27-2006, 08:55 AM
ok heres the thing.. my friend goes to FSU and his opinion is that cromatie is a freak...but he laughs at how high hes being regarded in the mock drafts because he says it doenst matter how good a player is. IF hes not on the field to play... cromartie is a gamble im willing to take on the 3rd round or later...

He'll have long landed in the new city that he'll make his home. There is NO WAY he goes in the 3rd round, unless he tries to do his 40 on a space hopper.

Clayton84
02-27-2006, 09:43 AM
:sidelol: UFMike, You are now Owned! You should change your name to Boomer's Beeyotch!:boohoo:

Geforce
02-27-2006, 11:38 AM
He is 6'3 210, and supposedly runs a 4.3 40... those are some pretty impressive measureables...

In a recent interview he did, Cromartie said he ran a 4.39 40 a few week ago but hopes to run faster on the turf in Indy.

Geforce
02-27-2006, 11:46 AM
I'm not upset with Boomer, I just think he's a huge tool. As I stated above, I think him declaring Cromartie as top 3 talent is incredibly weak based on the limited showcase Cromartie has actually had to display. He didn't yet prove himself as an elite, reliable player in college and all of a sudden he's worht the gamble after a major knee injury at the next level? Boomer says he has the best hips he's seen this decade and people are eating it up. How does Boomer measure these hips? How does the 1997 class of CB stack up in terms of hips? 1998? 1999?

If he runs a 4.2 and has a 40 inch vertical and is a legit 6'3" on Tuesday, then I could understand saying he is a top talent. But basing it now on the 4 INTs he had in 2004 and his 5 star recruting ranking is about as lame as it gets.
Once again, the waters in Gainsville are clouding the minds of it's youth. :wink:
Boomer said he was a top 3 talent, not that he would be a top 3 pick.


:cooldude: Still a Gators' fan despite the playa hayta n da house. :cooldude:

BlueFin
02-27-2006, 12:18 PM
In my opinion Cromartie has amazing measurables, but I'm not a big fan of drafting players at any position in the first round coming off major knee injuries, or for using first round picks on players with chronic injury historys.

Yatil Green had great measurables too, but he also was injured a lot at UM, It was ignored by Jimmie and his injury problems continued in the NFL.

Using the 16th pick on a guy like Cromartie scares me when there will be other excellent prospects there that don't have bad injury historys.

Boomer
02-27-2006, 01:38 PM
Cromartie's ACL, Blue, as bad an injury as it is, is his only injury of note. Would we rule out Brod Bunkley as well because of his ACL injury, etc etc?

Pennington's Rocket Arm
02-27-2006, 01:40 PM
In my opinion Cromartie has amazing measurables, but I'm not a big fan of drafting players at any position in the first round coming off major knee injuries, or for using first round picks on players with chronic injury historys.

Yatil Green had great measurables too, but he also was injured a lot at UM, It was ignored by Jimmie and his injury problems continued in the NFL.

Using the 16th pick on a guy like Cromartie scares me when there will be other excellent prospects there that don't have bad injury historys.
i would've agreed with you a few years ago, but these ACL injuries seem to be pretty fixable these days. players come back fine from them all the time. and what other injuries has cromartie had?

ufmike22
02-27-2006, 05:30 PM
Do not attack someone's country.


Cromartie's ACL, Blue, as bad an injury as it is, is his only injury of note. Would we rule out Brod Bunkley as well because of his ACL injury, etc etc?
Well actually you should do your homework Boomer. Cromartie tore his ACL, MCL and part of his hamstring in the same injury. And it just happened, less than a year ago.

http://www.draftstats.com/showthread.php?t=157109

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-combinenotes022606&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

No worries I guess. Those things are not that important because he's 6'2!

And your rant was just a bunch of generic BS of you trying to sound as technical as possible. You could say that about any corner prospect, talking out hip rotation and back peddaling and suddenly all your minions will gobble it up and deamnd the Dolphins to trade up so they make sure they can get him.

As for accusing me of hating on him because he is a Nole, yea, I don't like the noles. But due to the brevity of Cromartie's stay at FSU, I had not much time to hate him. And if he actually did something to UF that got under my skin that would be one thing, but here's a look at his box scores from the two times he played against the Gators:

http://www.gatorzone.com/football/boxlist.php?boxfile=20031129153000#GAME.DEF

http://www.gatorzone.com/football/boxlist.php?boxfile=20041120194500#GAME.DEF

He tackled one Gator in 2 years. And he also looked great this year in the warm up suit on the sidelines for 34-7.

But he undoubtedly had success locking down the plethora of uber talented wide outs when he matched up weekly against Duke, UNC, Wake Forest. Those are the same guys he will be facing in the NFL so he should have no trouble at all.

And one more thing Boomer, judging by your avatar...perhaps you may have some bias as well...or maybe you are a Georgia fan or Tennessee fan located in the heart of college football aka London friggin England.

ufmike22
02-27-2006, 05:37 PM
Oh and by all means I'm willing to acknowledge that if he puts up some great numbers at the combine tomorrow that he has great athletic ability, but he will still be inexperienced and that anyone who thinks he will be a top 10 or whatever pick is still crazy. This all started because so many posters seemed convinced that he is one of the best players in this draft. One guy had him ahead of Reggie Bush. Uhhhh ....OK.

What exactly are his numbers going to be?

I've seen 4.3 forty and 40 + inch vertical? Is that what I should expect?

Pennington's Rocket Arm
02-27-2006, 05:40 PM
And your rant was just a bunch of generic BS of you trying to sound as technical as possible. You could say that about any corner prospect, talking out hip rotation and back peddaling and suddenly all your minions will gobble it up and deamnd the Dolphins to trade up so they make sure they can get him.

As for accusing me of hating on him because he is a Nole, yea, I don't like the noles. But due to the brevity of Cromartie's stay at FSU, I had not much time to hate him. And if he actually did something to UF that got under my skin that would be one thing, but here's a look at his box scores from the two times he played against the Gators:

http://www.gatorzone.com/football/boxlist.php?boxfile=20031129153000#GAME.DEF

http://www.gatorzone.com/football/boxlist.php?boxfile=20041120194500#GAME.DEF

He tackled one Gator in 2 years. And he also looked great this year in the warm up suit on the sidelines for 34-7.

But he undoubtedly had success locking down the plethora of uber talented wide outs when he matched up weekly against Duke, UNC, Wake Forest. Those are the same guys he will be facing in the NFL so he should have no trouble at all.

And one more thing Boomer, judging by your avatar...perhaps you may have some bias as well...or maybe you are a Georgia fan or Tennessee fan located in the heart of college football aka London friggin England.
so because it's too "technical" for you, you dismiss it? he's saying what any scout will tell you about cromartie. if you're going to give your own evaluative opinion on him, use something more than a box score.

you just don't like boomer, and nothing he says will change your mind.

Boomer
02-27-2006, 06:31 PM
Well actually you should do your homework Boomer. Cromartie tore his ACL, MCL and part of his hamstring in the same injury. And it just happened, less than a year ago.

http://www.draftstats.com/showthread.php?t=157109

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-combinenotes022606&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

No worries I guess. Those things are not that important because he's 6'2!

And your rant was just a bunch of generic BS of you trying to sound as technical as possible. You could say that about any corner prospect, talking out hip rotation and back peddaling and suddenly all your minions will gobble it up and deamnd the Dolphins to trade up so they make sure they can get him.

As for accusing me of hating on him because he is a Nole, yea, I don't like the noles. But due to the brevity of Cromartie's stay at FSU, I had not much time to hate him. And if he actually did something to UF that got under my skin that would be one thing, but here's a look at his box scores from the two times he played against the Gators:

http://www.gatorzone.com/football/boxlist.php?boxfile=20031129153000#GAME.DEF

http://www.gatorzone.com/football/boxlist.php?boxfile=20041120194500#GAME.DEF

He tackled one Gator in 2 years. And he also looked great this year in the warm up suit on the sidelines for 34-7.

But he undoubtedly had success locking down the plethora of uber talented wide outs when he matched up weekly against Duke, UNC, Wake Forest. Those are the same guys he will be facing in the NFL so he should have no trouble at all.

And one more thing Boomer, judging by your avatar...perhaps you may have some bias as well...or maybe you are a Georgia fan or Tennessee fan located in the heart of college football aka London friggin England.

Like I said, come back to me when you have something to say. The above doesn't qualify, other than to further announce your stupidity.

Don't you feel embarrassed that a 'huge tool' from London friggin England schools you on your own sport? Man I'd be embarrassed at that.

The fact that you know nothing about how to grade out a CB should be a problem for you, not me, sunshine. Jealousy is an ugly emotion.

Run away and play with your toys and let the big boys talk football.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
02-27-2006, 06:32 PM
are you english boomer or simply relocated over there? if the former, what got you so interested in football (REAL football that is ;) )?

Flyer22
02-27-2006, 06:35 PM
Like I said, come back to me when you have something to say. The above doesn't qualify, other than to further announce your stupidity.

Don't you feel embarrassed that a 'huge tool' from London friggin England schools you on your own sport? Man I'd be embarrassed at that.

The fact that you know nothing about to grade out a CB should be a problem for you, not me, sunshine. Jealousy is an ugly emotion.

Run away and play with your toys and let the big boys talk football.
:0wned: Ouch...

Madman29
02-27-2006, 06:36 PM
UFmike just got BEASTED!!!!!!

PhinSoldia
02-27-2006, 06:38 PM
Like I said, come back to me when you have something to say. The above doesn't qualify, other than to further announce your stupidity.

Don't you feel embarrassed that a 'huge tool' from London friggin England schools you on your own sport? Man I'd be embarrassed at that.

The fact that you know nothing about to grade out a CB should be a problem for you, not me, sunshine. Jealousy is an ugly emotion.

Run away and play with your toys and let the big boys talk football.

Check Please!!!

CrowderIsABeast
02-27-2006, 06:48 PM
Oh dear.

OK, Antonio Cromartie. What would you like to know? First off all you're incorrect with the comments about him not being good enough to start for FSU. That's utter nonsense. Bobby Bowden's starters, especially on defense are people that start the 1st play of the 1st series. Often they may only play 3 or 4 more plays the entire game. Bobby usually tends to let more senior players take the start.

I'm sure you knew that Cromartie was essentially was part of a 3 corner starting rotation for 2 years with Leroy Smith and Bryant McFadden.

Your general lack of knowledge on him is pretty funny. And all this stuff about 'best hips this decade'.....if you're going to quote me, then at least quote me correctly. I said 'best hips in a decade'. Of course you wouldn't know HOW to measure a cornerbacks hips. But you like to come on here and coat someone off who you know nothing about, about a player you know nothing about.

The fact that he tore his ACL certainly stopped him from grading out as a top 5 overall player, but that's where he would have been. But don't take my word for it, do some research, find out what people are saying. Athletically at 6-3, 210, with Olympic speed, this kid is a lock down corner, a planet theory type performer. I'm sure you know all about him as your remarkable rundown of his talents (using a 5 star recruiting grade.....FLMAO....) shows.

I'm sure then that I don't need to tell you that he's running consistent 4.35's at his training camp in Georgia including a 4.31. He ripped off 24 on the bench at 225 and has been running off 40 inch verticals like he was turning the TV on.

I'm sure that you knew that Nick Saban, Mel Phillips, Randy Mueller, etc. have had a long dinner recently with him and are, along with the Falcons, Giants and Chiefs the most interested in him.

I'm sure you know about his long arms and his ability to use his hands, how he can jam at the line knocking even the biggest and most physical WR off their routes, his back-pedal, how well and quickly he flips his hips and how he does so smoothly without losing speed, how he does a superb job of locating to the ball and breaking on it, using high quality instincts, how he has the skills to play man or zone and how he uses his body in run support, reacting instinctively and breaking off the route cover to attack the ball carrier. Whilst not a great tackler, he's certainly good enough.

I'm sure you're aware of just how much upside he possesses and how highly rated he is by NFL teams.

I'm sure your wide ranging knowledge, which you clearly displayed when referring to me as a 'huge tool' knows how to grade out corners. I'm certain that you know how to study hip turns, backpedal and acceleration, range, how a corner covers the ground, the awareness, the plant and drive for the ball, how they get to the ball, whether they evade the receiver to avoid the PI call, footwork going forward and backwards, how they read the QB from the pre-snap read to delivery of the ball, how they get through trash, get out across the field in run support, how they tackle, how they work off the field, etc etc etc.

I'm sure you know that it's interesting how teams have talked about moving the bigger corners - Huff, Williams, etc to safety - but not Cromartie. There's a reason for that.

To be honest, I'm bored of dealing with kids like you who know nothing about how to grade a prospect, have never sat up going through tape after tape after tape, play after play after play studying how kids play and project.

Come back when you have something worthwhile to say and that your argument isn't based on being a Gator fan who doesn't like the Noles and using a recruiting grade as the reason why most draft analysts see him as a top 15 pick even now and one who would have been a top 5 pick without the ACL or in 2007.

Pathetic.

Sure, the guy will be a freak at the combine. I'm not sure how that qualifies him as a possibility for the Phins at 16. Plenty of combine freaks have been disappointments, especially at the cornerback position (see: De'angelo Hall, Fabian Washington, Pac-Man Jones in the last 3 years; not all busts, but certainly drafted too high). Cornerback seems to me to be one of the hardest positions for players to make the transition to in the NFL. An injury is one thing (i.e. I would love to see the Phins take Winston). But this kid's limited experience coupled with his serious injury would make me shudder if the Phins selected him. I don't care if he benches 225 30 times or reaches the top of the RCA dome on his vertical leap.

And also about projecting other D-backs as safeties in the NFL...Huff has been a starting strong safety for 2 years now who sometimes covers WR if needed (he covered Ginn Jr. in the Ohio St. game) and I would imagine that is the reason why he projects as a safety. That certainly doesn't imply that he is not as strong of a prospect as Cromartie. I would take Huff and his Thorpe Award way before I would take a question mark like Cromartie.

Boomer
02-27-2006, 06:52 PM
But he undoubtedly had success locking down the plethora of uber talented wide outs when he matched up weekly against Duke, UNC, Wake Forest. Those are the same guys he will be facing in the NFL so he should have no trouble at all.


So he didn't play Miami 3 times and cover Roscoe Parrish or Lance Leggett or Ryan Moore or Sinorice Moss, Georgia Tech with Calvin Johnson, Florida with Chad Jackson or Andre Caldwell, he didn't cover top 10 pick Vernon Davis at Maryland, or Jeremy Bloom at Colorado or Derrelle Mitchell at NC or Wake's Jason Anderson (way to go with your knowledge again scoop), or Airese Curry at Clemson or Jeff Samardzija or Maurice Stovall at Notre Dame or Rasheed Marshall or Chris Henry at West Virginia.

But you knew all that didn't you scoop.

PhinSoldia
02-27-2006, 06:55 PM
So he didn't play Miami 3 times and cover Roscoe Parrish or Lance Leggett or Ryan Moore or Sinorice Moss, Georgia Tech with Calvin Johnson, Florida with Chad Jackson or Andre Caldwell, he didn't cover top 10 pick Vernon Davis at Maryland, or Jeremy Bloom at Colorado or Derrelle Mitchell at NC or Wake's Jason Anderson (way to go with your knowledge again scoop), or Airese Curry at Clemson or Jeff Samardzija or Maurice Stovall at Notre Dame or Rasheed Marshall or Chris Henry at West Virginia.

But you knew all that didn't you scoop.

where is the waitor with that check

Boomer
02-27-2006, 06:55 PM
are you english boomer or simply relocated over there? if the former, what got you so interested in football (REAL football that is ;) )?

Pure English Juan. Born and bred here my friend. Got into AMERICAN Football :wink: in the early 1980's after seeing Miami play during Marino's rookie year and have been hooked ever since. The draft is like nothing else and have done a bunch of work for magazines over here as well as GBN, etc.

Boomer
02-27-2006, 07:02 PM
Sure, the guy will be a freak at the combine. I'm not sure how that qualifies him as a possibility for the Phins at 16. Plenty of combine freaks have been disappointments, especially at the cornerback position (see: De'angelo Hall, Fabian Washington, Pac-Man Jones in the last 3 years; not all busts, but certainly drafted too high). Cornerback seems to me to be one of the hardest positions for players to make the transition to in the NFL. An injury is one thing (i.e. I would love to see the Phins take Winston). But this kid's limited experience coupled with his serious injury would make me shudder if the Phins selected him. I don't care if he benches 225 30 times or reaches the top of the RCA dome on his vertical leap.

And also about projecting other D-backs as safeties in the NFL...Huff has been a starting strong safety for 2 years now who sometimes covers WR if needed (he covered Ginn Jr. in the Ohio St. game) and I would imagine that is the reason why he projects as a safety. That certainly doesn't imply that he is not as strong of a prospect as Cromartie. I would take Huff and his Thorpe Award way before I would take a question mark like Cromartie.

DeAngelo Hall? The Pro Bowl DeAngelo Hall? One of the best corners in the NFL DeAngelo Hall? Not sure I'd register him as anything close to a bust. Bit early to make statements about Adam Jones and Fabian Washington.

Essentially Cromartie's draft status has nothing to do with what he does or doesn't do at the Combine, other than to show he is back to full fitness. Watch all of his games at FSU as I have done and break down every defensive snap he's ever taken and then go from there. You'll see a freak, a human freak, who will become a lock down NFL corner. You only have to listen to Mickey Andrews, who draws comparisons with Deion Sanders.

Winston isn't an NFL LT. His arms for one are too short and he isn't the same player he was. Reality is, he should probably have stayed at TE.

I too would take Huff over Cromartie, but the reality is, Huff ain't going to be there. Plus, he's mixed back and forth between S and CB.

ufmike22
02-27-2006, 07:09 PM
Like I said, come back to me when you have something to say. The above doesn't qualify, other than to further announce your stupidity.

Don't you feel embarrassed that a 'huge tool' from London friggin England schools you on your own sport? Man I'd be embarrassed at that.

The fact that you know nothing about to grade out a CB should be a problem for you, not me, sunshine. Jealousy is an ugly emotion.

Run away and play with your toys and let the big boys talk football.

How do you school me at my own sport? Just because you emerse studying the hip movement of college male athletes doesn't mean you know what you are talking about. How many times has a guy graded out really high and been an absolute work out warrior and not done squat in the NFL? You can over analyze a guy to death and suddenly you are seeing the next Dan Marino or Jerry RIce. Do I really have to even list these:

Tony Mandarich, Ryan Leaf, Peter Warrick, Trev Alberts, Kijana Carter. They were all top picks...but they stunk... but they could run and jump and lift heavy things really well.

The basis of my post is how can you be so certain that Cromartie is a top three talent when hasn't been on the field in over a year or played much elite level football to begin with? And your answer: He's 6'2, weighs 200 pounds (WOOOOOOW!!!!!!!) and has the most prototypical and perfect form a corner can possibly have (according to Boomer, a Seminoles fan)

ufmike22
02-27-2006, 07:10 PM
so because it's too "technical" for you, you dismiss it? he's saying what any scout will tell you about cromartie. if you're going to give your own evaluative opinion on him, use something more than a box score.

you just don't like boomer, and nothing he says will change your mind.


A box score? You mean the place where they put the statistics that describe how well a player did in a game?

Flyer22
02-27-2006, 07:20 PM
How do you school me at my own sport? Just because you emerse studying the hip movement of college male athletes doesn't mean you know what you are talking about. How many times has a guy graded out really high and been an absolute work out warrior and not done squat in the NFL? You can over analyze a guy to death and suddenly you are seeing the next Dan Marino or Jerry RIce. Do I really have to even list these:

Tony Mandarich, Ryan Leaf, Peter Warrick, Trev Alberts, Kijana Carter. They were all top picks...but they stunk... but they could run and jump and lift heavy things really well.

The basis of my post is how can you be so certain that Cromartie is a top three talent when hasn't been on the field in over a year or played much elite level football to begin with? And your answer: He's 6'2, weighs 200 pounds (WOOOOOOW!!!!!!!) and has the most prototypical and perfect form a corner can possibly have (according to Boomer, a Seminoles fan)
Just because he studies football doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about? :shakeno: For every bust you list there are at least 3 players who have done well. Look at previous drafts: Cadillac Williams, Ben Roethlisberger, Heath Miller, Larry Fitzgerald, Jonathan Vilma, Ronnie Brown...and those are from the last 2 drafts alone! Quit while your behind, dude. You can't argue your way out of this one.

Boomer
02-27-2006, 07:33 PM
How do you school me at my own sport? Just because you emerse studying the hip movement of college male athletes doesn't mean you know what you are talking about. How many times has a guy graded out really high and been an absolute work out warrior and not done squat in the NFL? You can over analyze a guy to death and suddenly you are seeing the next Dan Marino or Jerry RIce. Do I really have to even list these:

Tony Mandarich, Ryan Leaf, Peter Warrick, Trev Alberts, Kijana Carter. They were all top picks...but they stunk... but they could run and jump and lift heavy things really well.

The basis of my post is how can you be so certain that Cromartie is a top three talent when hasn't been on the field in over a year or played much elite level football to begin with? And your answer: He's 6'2, weighs 200 pounds (WOOOOOOW!!!!!!!) and has the most prototypical and perfect form a corner can possibly have (according to Boomer, a Seminoles fan)


Are you still talking?? How many times do I have to tell you that you need to come back to me with something worthwhile to say? Until that point, your input is as fruitless as it is worthless.

"or played much elite level football".......he plays for Florida State not the University of Times Square. Last time I looked, they were playing football at a pretty high level.

Don't take my word for it, do some R-E-S-E-A-R-C-H......tough for someone like you I know, but find out what people are saying.

Actually I analyse people just they way they should be. My record speaks for itself.

byroan
02-27-2006, 07:34 PM
Alright, it appears this thread was made just to slam Boomer. Personal attacks will get you nowhere here. Thread closed.