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TAK
02-27-2006, 03:40 PM
He had only one decent year where he threw for 21 TDs and 13 INTs.

The past two years he has thrown for a combined 18 TDs and 27 INTs. Those are far from stellar numbers.

more stats: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=116343

So whats the deal with him?

Motion
02-27-2006, 03:41 PM
I didn't think "everyone was so excited about him"??? :confused:

Alex44
02-27-2006, 03:47 PM
Im not personally as high on him as everyone else, but sometimes stats dont tell everything, its how accurate is he, how much arm strength, how he carries himself on the field

A lot of people have great seasons but lack these things, some people have these things but struggle in their system

Motion
02-27-2006, 03:49 PM
I also agree that its very foolish to judge talent by stats.

Kucha
02-27-2006, 03:50 PM
Whitehurst is helping himself. According to ESPN Insider:

There were reports that Clemson QB Charlie Whitehurst (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=116343) would not work out at this year's combine, but that was not the case. At 6-4½ and 223 pounds, Whitehurst showed up in good shape and put on the most impressive passing display of any of the quarterbacks not named Cutler. Whitehurst's performance will help his cause as he competes with Alabama's Brodie Croyle (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=128154) and Bowling Green's Omar Jacobs (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=134244) in the competition for the fourth quarterback in this year's draft class.

Here is the link: http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=2346494

dominizzo
02-27-2006, 03:51 PM
ID rather get Pmar JAcobs Bowling Green

TAK
02-27-2006, 03:52 PM
Name one QB starting in the NFL right now who is any good that put up crappy stats in college.

Motion
02-27-2006, 03:53 PM
Name one QB starting in the NFL right now who is any good that put up crappy stats in college.

John Elway

Motion
02-27-2006, 03:54 PM
ID rather get Pmar JAcobs Bowling Green

Who is this Pmar Jacobs you speak of?

TAK
02-27-2006, 03:55 PM
John Elway

1979 - 50 completions, 96 attempts, 52.1%, 544 yards, 6 TDs, 3 int.

1980 - 248 completions, 379 attempts, 65.4%, 2,889 yards, 27 TDs, 11 int.

1981 - 214 completions, 366 attempts, 58.4%, 2,674 yards, 20 TDs, 13 int.

1982 - 262 completions, 405 attempts, 64.6%, 3,242 yards, 24 TDs, 12 int.

Total - 774 completions, 1,246 attempts, 62.1%, 9,349 yards, 77 TDs, 39 int.

Hardly crappy.

saves
02-27-2006, 04:02 PM
John Elway

Crappy school (footballwise), not crappy statistics.

Motion
02-27-2006, 04:02 PM
Crappy school (footballwise), not crappy statistics.

Yeah, bad example.

TAK
02-27-2006, 04:04 PM
See what I mean there isn't a person who put up crappy stats like Whitehurst's who has been successful in the NFL that I know of.

Alex44
02-27-2006, 04:12 PM
Cant find any stats on him

But I dont think Hasselbeck had a stellar college career, neither did Jeff Garcia to my knowledge

Eshlemon
02-27-2006, 04:13 PM
He had only one decent year where he threw for 21 TDs and 13 INTs.

The past two years he has thrown for a combined 18 TDs and 27 INTs. Those are far from stellar numbers.

more stats: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=116343

So whats the deal with him?


I don't think many are overly high on him. The TDs-INTs is what keeps him from 1rst round consideration as it should be. But his size, arm strength, and potential is why he's condsidered amoung the 2nd group of QBs with Green, Croyle, & Gradkowski. These guys will go in 2nd-4th rounds and think some teams won't have made a decision between them even by draft day.

Edit: I have no idea where Green came from when I was typing, Omar Jacobs was the guy I should have put in there.

Motion
02-27-2006, 04:15 PM
I don't think many are overly high on him. The TDs-INTs is what keeps him from 1rst round consideration as it should be. But his size, arm strength, and potential is why he's condsidered amoung the 2nd group of QBs with Green, Croyle, & Gradkowski. These guys will go in 2nd-4th rounds and think some teams won't have made a decision between them even by draft day.

Green?

I wouldn't put Gradkowski in the 2nd group. He's more like the 3rd group, 6th round+.

Eshlemon
02-27-2006, 05:07 PM
Green?

I wouldn't put Gradkowski in the 2nd group. He's more like the 3rd group, 6th round+.


Yes, I like Gradkowski a lot. Is extemely accurate but has good arm strength. Has constantly made plays over four years as starter at Toledo. But don't think anyone should belittle QBs from the MAC anymore. Teams and me might be concerned about size, but is bigger than Croyle (at least pre-combine, haven't seen all combine numbers). Did see at combine he was fastest and most athletic QB...but that isn't a big thing for me with QBs. Frye went in the 3rd last year and IMO, Gradkowski's better. Would be very surprised if Gradkowski lasts past the 4th round.

Motion
02-27-2006, 05:08 PM
Yes, I like Gradkowski a lot. Is extemely accurate but has good arm strength. Has constantly made plays over four years as starter at Toledo. But don't think anyone should belittle QBs from the MAC anymore. Teams might be concerned about size, but is bigger than Croyle (at least pre-combine, haven't seen all combine numbers). Did see at combine he was fastest and most athletic QB...but that isn't a big thing for me with QBs. Frye went in the 3rd last year and IMO, Gradkowski's better. Would be very surprised if Gradkowski lasts past the 4th round.

Maybe. He was far from the most athletic.

Who is Green?

saves
02-27-2006, 05:08 PM
Yes, I like Gradkowski a lot. Is extemely accurate but has good arm strength. Has constantly made plays over four years as starter at Toledo. But don't think anyone should belittle QBs from the MAC anymore. Teams might be concerned about size, but is bigger than Croyle (at least pre-combine, haven't seen all combine numbers). Did see at combine he was fastest and most athletic QB...but that isn't a big thing for me with QBs. Frye went in the 3rd last year and IMO, Gradkowski's better. Would be very surprised if Gradkowski lasts past the 4th round.

Small, no arm or accuracy past 15 yards. WCO or bust for him. Frye has better pro measurables than Gradowski and didn't play in a dinky dunk offense that Toledo runs.

jlfin
02-27-2006, 05:17 PM
He had only one decent year where he threw for 21 TDs and 13 INTs.

The past two years he has thrown for a combined 18 TDs and 27 INTs. Those are far from stellar numbers.

more stats: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=116343

So whats the deal with him?

What do u mean by "so excited"? I think most of us see a good prospect in the 3rd-4th rd. He has prototype size and arm strength. He also had a shoulder injury last season that limited his effectiveness, so some of us justifiably feel he would be a bargain as a late 1st day or early 2nd day pick.
I wouldn't exactly classify my sentiments as being "excited".
I don't believe anyone has posted a message claiming Whitehurst to be the next Dolphin HOF QB or hoping that we pick him in rd 1 or rd 2.

Eshlemon
02-27-2006, 05:30 PM
Maybe. He was far from the most athletic.

Who is Green?


Green was a mistake I edited, for some reason I typed Green instead of the guy I meant was Omar Jacobs.

Yes, overstated that. But wouldn't say the fastest QB at the combine in his pool is "far from the most athletic". But like I said, this doesn't matter to me but it might to some other team.

arsenal
02-27-2006, 05:33 PM
marino had more INTs than TDs his senior year at pitt... and we saw what happened with that...

saves
02-27-2006, 06:44 PM
marino had more INTs than TDs his senior year at pitt... and we saw what happened with that...


But he had a stellar junior year, and wasn't there a change in systems or some other factor that weight heavily on that senior year? Obviously the season wasn't bad enough to bump him out of the first round so I don't think he strengthens that argument much.

LIQUID24
02-27-2006, 07:00 PM
I think Whitehurst is a Chris Simms-type prospect. Two very physically talented players, who for one reason or another, were complete underachievers in college.

With the right coaching, Simms is starting to look like a solid NFL starter. I suspect Whitehurst can do the same, in the right situation.

But I'd still take Croyle and Jacobs over him.

SR 7
02-27-2006, 07:26 PM
I didn't think "everyone was so excited about him"??? :confused:

they are excited. especially after the SB game everyone was talking about him but apparently didnt realize he didnt hit on receiver on the spot or in stride. he is a GUS

FINSTER
02-27-2006, 07:32 PM
Crappy school (footballwise), not crappy statistics.

Love your sig man! Anthony Smith would be sweet. Tore up the TAC 8 and was a terror on defense for Hubbard too!

Noodle Arm
02-27-2006, 08:07 PM
I think Whitehurst is a Chris Simms-type prospect. Two very physically talented players, who for one reason or another, were complete underachievers in college.

With the right coaching, Simms is starting to look like a solid NFL starter. I suspect Whitehurst can do the same, in the right situation.

But I'd still take Croyle and Jacobs over him.

Agreed, but to me that would fall under "at best". Personally I think he'll be more of a Sage type of player, a guy who'll come in and help you out when needed, but just not starter material. Of course this is just my opinion...who know what'll happen. Gotta love the draft! :D

Jnaledu3
02-28-2006, 01:32 AM
Cutler doesnt exactly have the greatest stats either.

Whitehurst and Cutler are very alike in many ways. Both played in less than stellar schools and had to force a lot of throws.

I think one of the biggest reasons people are down on Whitehurst is because he had higher expectations as college QB than Cutler did. Cutler practically came out of nowhere this past season. Everybody expected Whitehurst to build on his good sophomore season, but he has been up and down ever since.

Some say its because he played under different offensive coordinators every year he was there.

Whitehurst has everything it takes to become a good NFL QB IMO. He has the prototypical size and weight. He also has a strong arm (when healed). He looked better than Cutler in the senior bowl and from what Ive heard hung right up there with him in the combines.

Im hoping the Fins take him in the 2nd or 3rd.