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flip
02-28-2006, 12:41 PM
I really think the Texans are going to trade away the #1 pick they have to much to fill and they already Davis Running and Carr at QB. So do we want the #1? And if we do what do we give up for it?

bdmagnum
02-28-2006, 12:42 PM
We could ALWAYS use a #1 pick, but I don't think we want to give up what the Texans would be asking, JMO.

DBetters83
02-28-2006, 12:43 PM
where did u get this information........and your gut feeling isn't gonna cut it pal

apa64che
02-28-2006, 12:44 PM
I really think the Texans are going to trade away the #1 pick they have to much to fill and they already Davis Running and Carr at QB. So do we want the #1? And if we do what do we give up for it?

To be honest, im not sure it's worth the money that teams have to spend on #1 overall picks. Ronnie cost a lot, but spending for a running back is not quite as risky as a QB. Personally, i take that money, and go free agent. . . . . of course, what do i know..

rafael
02-28-2006, 12:47 PM
where did u get this information........and your gut feeling isn't gonna cut it pal

There's at least one rumor involving the Jets that's been making the rounds at the Combine.

bdmagnum
02-28-2006, 12:47 PM
where did u get this information........and your gut feeling isn't gonna cut it pal

What information are you referring to?

tay0365
02-28-2006, 12:48 PM
I really think the Texans are going to trade away the #1 pick they have to much to fill and they already Davis Running and Carr at QB. So do we want the #1? And if we do what do we give up for it?

Trading up is a bad idea for Miami to start with, trading up to the overall #1 draft pick for Miami would be insane. Miami has some holes to fill, and would cost way too much to move up that far.

Sofa_King_Drunk
02-28-2006, 12:50 PM
Based on this handy-dandy draft pick value chart http://www.thehuddlereport.com/NickelPackage/tradevaluechart.htm, it looks like we'd have to give up our whole draft, plus players, the deed to Boardwalk, and Ricky Williams next illegitimate child to go from #16 to #1. Does that sound like something Nick would be remotely interested in? If anything I say trade down and add picks where the real value is (#30 through #60).

rafael
02-28-2006, 12:50 PM
To be honest, im not sure it's worth the money that teams have to spend on #1 overall picks. Ronnie cost a lot, but spending for a running back is not quite as risky as a QB. Personally, i take that money, and go free agent. . . . . of course, what do i know..

I agree that the #1 overall pick is not generally worth the money, but statistically rbs are one of the riskiest picks. Much more so than QBs especially if the injury risk is factored in. If I recall correctly, wrs are the most likely busts of all.

bdmagnum
02-28-2006, 12:51 PM
There's at least one rumor involving the Jets that's been making the rounds at the Combine.

They just did a mock draft on Cold Pizza with the Texans trading down with the Jets.

apa64che
02-28-2006, 12:51 PM
Trading up is a bad idea for Miami to start with, trading up to the overall #1 draft pick for Miami would be insane. Miami has some holes to fill, and would cost way too much to move up that far.

I agree, i think teams that trade up a spot or two is understandible, but trading up to #1 for us, would be ridiculous. (which is why it won't happen)

apa64che
02-28-2006, 12:53 PM
I agree that the #1 overall pick is not generally worth the money, but statistically rbs are one of the riskiest picks. Much more so than QBs especially if the injury risk is factored in. If I recall correctly, wrs are the most likely busts of all.

I knew as soon as i said that, someone would call me on it. :lol: That doesn't really make much sense to me. I'm not questioning you, it just seems to me running backs would have a little easier time transitioning than QB's. Course, like i said before, what do i know :D

jason8er
02-28-2006, 12:56 PM
I really think the Texans are going to trade away the #1 pick they have to much to fill and they already Davis Running and Carr at QB. So do we want the #1? And if we do what do we give up for it?
That would destroy present and future drafts, and that's just not Saban's philosophy. Taking the best player available at #16 will fill a need at any position from DB to OL to WR. Heck, I wouldn't mind seeing us trade down as long as it's done while we are on the clock.

Firemedic18
02-28-2006, 01:09 PM
I agree, we should stay were we are and take the best player avaliable.

Dolphin North
02-28-2006, 01:14 PM
where did u get this information........and your gut feeling isn't gonna cut it pal
I read a general rumour, maybe on cbssportsline.com or NFL.com. But all it said was they were interested in trading down. Aren't most teams most years rumoured to want to trade down for enough in return?
Anyway. I don't think we'd trade up for a boatload of picks to get 1 guy. Even if it was Leinhart we wanted or whoever.

adolfan131313
02-28-2006, 01:16 PM
I really think the Texans are going to trade away the #1 pick they have to much to fill and they already Davis Running and Carr at QB. So do we want the #1? And if we do what do we give up for it?
our needs our there at the obvious no. 1 pick in Bush. Though four is a good pick for us to land Cutler

Phin
02-28-2006, 01:18 PM
I just remembered something. Don't we now have the same GM that traded away all the Saints picks for Ricky Williams?

Sofa_King_Drunk
02-28-2006, 01:22 PM
I just remembered something. Don't we now have the same GM that traded away all the Saints picks for Ricky Williams?

That was Ditka's doing. I'm pretty sure we'll never see Saban posing with any players in a wedding dress.

tay0365
02-28-2006, 01:28 PM
Everyone is so crazy about getting one of the big three QBs, but answer me one question, if you had a choice to pick Payton Manning or Tom Brady (With what you know now) which would you choose. (Both equally good QB, each in his own way, but one would cost you much more)

My point is not so much, there is a Tom Brady in this draft (same as nobody can be sure there is a Payton Manning), my point is that a QB with good skills can be taken in the later rounds, and groomed to one day be effective or much better. There is no guarantee that any of the top three will ever be one of the elites, or even one of the top 20.

If one of those QBs falls to us, great, but if not, trading up when we are so close, but still have more then 1 hole to fill, would be ridiculous.

Phin
02-28-2006, 01:28 PM
That was Ditka's doing. I'm pretty sure we'll never see Saban posing with any players in a wedding dress.

:sidelol: I forgot about that!!!

Phin
02-28-2006, 01:30 PM
Everyone is so crazy about getting one of the big three QBs, but answer me one question, if you had a choice to pick Payton Manning or Tom Brady (With what you know now) which would you choose. (Both equally good QB, each in his own way, but one would cost you much more)

My point is not so much, there is a Tom Brady in this draft (same as nobody can be sure there is a Payton Manning), my point is that a QB with good skills can be taken in the later rounds, and groomed to one day be effective or much better. There is no guarantee that any of the top three will ever be one of the elites, or even one of the top 20.

If one of those QBs falls to us, great, but if not, trading up when we are so close, but still have more then 1 hole to fill, would be ridiculous.

I agree completely...

Alex44
02-28-2006, 01:33 PM
John Clayton yesterday said he thought Miami was interested in the #1 pick but no way we could put together a package for it

Take that with a grain of salt I guess

butta247
02-28-2006, 01:38 PM
It looks as though the Jets are a possible trade partner with Houston. They are talking about dealing Abraham and their 1 to Houston so they can pick up Leinhart

http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-spjets284644548feb28,0,5213166.story?coll=ny-sports-print

Hey apa64che where do you live in Chesterfield? Im right off of Hull Street

PHINANALYST
02-28-2006, 02:21 PM
We've got nothing ....

The JETS won't get anywhere with that trade either .... but they will come up with a package to move up ....

tay0365
02-28-2006, 03:23 PM
I agree completely...


Thanks Phin, I think what it is all set and done, we are going to have another draft, that will have everyone just as happy or more (The rational fans in here) as last year.

If you look at last year, was there really one pick in the draft that you can call a horrible pick? I think in a few years, every one of them will be a starter for Miami. I trust any move Saban makes.

Phin
02-28-2006, 03:31 PM
Thanks Phin, I think what it is all set and done, we are going to have another draft, that will have everyone just as happy or more (The rational fans in here) as last year.

If you look at last year, was there really one pick in the draft that you can call a horrible pick? I think in a few years, every one of them will be a starter for Miami. I trust any move Saban makes.

Yeah, I thought our draft picks last year pretty good choices. I'm still not sure about Roth but I like his style.

Scrap
02-28-2006, 03:32 PM
To be honest, im not sure it's worth the money that teams have to spend on #1 overall picks. Ronnie cost a lot, but spending for a running back is not quite as risky as a QB. Personally, i take that money, and go free agent. . . . . of course, what do i know..Chesterfield ? Hey neighbor.

nopony
02-28-2006, 05:13 PM
I agree that the #1 overall pick is not generally worth the money, but statistically rbs are one of the riskiest picks. Much more so than QBs especially if the injury risk is factored in. If I recall correctly, wrs are the most likely busts of all.

I think, and I'm willing to be corrected, that I recall seeing the numbers crunched... and that the answer to which is the riskiest depends on how you measure risk.

Meaning, I think Running back has the greatest risk of not lasting for a long time in the NFL.

Offensive line is the position that seems to depend historically the LEAST of where they are picked. Meaning, you often don't get more value picking them first round than you do third or fifth.

I think, and this is just me guessing so this part could be wrong... I think cornerbacks have the highest rate of being pro=bowlers or complete busts.

It's hard to find info on just cornerbacks, they are usually lumped with safeties. And safeties, I believe, have a much higher success rate because their skills are more easily identifiable.