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dolfanattic5
02-28-2006, 01:29 PM
I forget the name of the football test that vince young bombed but he scored a 6 (absoloutely atrocious). This could be a very good thing for the fins if we weant vince young. He could possibly slip b/c of his score and look at ben roethlisberger who dropped in the draft and is now the youngest qb to ever win a superbowl

txmedic5
02-28-2006, 01:30 PM
no offense man, but that is old news now. it is now actually supposed to be a 16 and there are alot of threads about it.

Alex44
02-28-2006, 01:31 PM
He never scored a 6 says the NFL

He scored a 16 on the retake of the test, the initial test was actually a 12 from what ive heard

finfan54
02-28-2006, 01:32 PM
who cares, I would be happy if VY were a dolphin and he scored 6 every week!

Phin
02-28-2006, 01:33 PM
I forget the name of the football test that vince young bombed but he scored a 6 (absoloutely atrocious). This could be a very good thing for the fins if we weant vince young. He could possibly slip b/c of his score and look at ben roethlisberger who dropped in the draft and is now the youngest qb to ever win a superbowl

Even with low scores he wouldn't make it down to us. Teams tend not to use that as sole purpose of picking or not picking someone. As long as his skills are top 10 he'll never make it to 16.

Schleprock
02-28-2006, 01:45 PM
He never scored a 6 says the NFL

He scored a 16 on the retake of the test, the initial test was actually a 12 from what ive heard
still not impressive, and why did he get a retake????

Firemedic18
02-28-2006, 01:47 PM
I'll pass on him.

TooDrkPark
02-28-2006, 01:47 PM
I forget the name of the football test that vince young bombed but he scored a 6 (absoloutely atrocious). This could be a very good thing for the fins if we weant vince young. He could possibly slip b/c of his score and look at ben roethlisberger who dropped in the draft and is now the youngest qb to ever win a superbowl

The Wonderlic Test

Phin
02-28-2006, 01:48 PM
still not impressive, and why did he get a retake????

Didn't Dan Marino score a 15 or 16?

KevInMotion
02-28-2006, 01:49 PM
he got a 16 on the retake, and he'll get one more test before the draft........... which im sure he'll cram for sooo he doesnt look like a *special* student.... and nfl coachs sat tehre and said it really doesnt matter, people could bomb one test, nervs, whatever... it doesnt mean he isnt football smart... kids goin top 10

Ryan1973
02-28-2006, 01:49 PM
This is old news and I doubt he slips to 16. Someone will take a chance on him in the top 10.

KevInMotion
02-28-2006, 01:50 PM
Didn't Dan Marino score a 15 or 16?

i thought dan got a 12 or 14

ShootinBlanks
02-28-2006, 01:50 PM
Yeah but you want a QB that has some intelligence and not just ability. I'm pretty sure a pro offense is more complex than college and would take even longer to learn if you were a little lacking upstairs. I'd be curious to see what some other pro quarterbacks scored on the wonderlic test. John Clayton was talking on Mike and Mike this morning about it and I guess anything below a 12 is pretty bad and just the fact that Vince Young had to retake the test doesn't look good for him. He still won't drop all the way down to us though. He also said that Cutler may have hurt himself a bit at the combine because of some of his mechanics but there again he'll be long gone by the time we pick.

TooDrkPark
02-28-2006, 01:51 PM
He never scored a 6 says the NFL

He scored a 16 on the retake of the test, the initial test was actually a 12 from what ive heard


If you did your homework...remember another QB who scored a 16?? Dan Marino scored a 16 on the Wonderlic...Brian Griese scored a 39..but doesn't make him the smartest QB on the field...

Phin
02-28-2006, 01:51 PM
i thought dan got a 12 or 14

Actually it was a 13 so it says in the Palm Beach Post article.

DallasDolfan
02-28-2006, 01:56 PM
Let me tell you something about these tests. We used a similar test when hiring manqgers. To judge the validity of the test, we sent in, at seperate times, 2 tests that were identical. One came back recommend hiring and the other did not. These tests mean nothing in the real world.

Jim C. from NJ
02-28-2006, 01:56 PM
I would not want this guy anywhere in the first round. Maybe his score will be the saving grace for a team. He's not an overly impressive passer ans his numbers are inflated due to the fact that in college they had to have two LBs spying him so only one was in coverage.

That wont be the case in the NFL. His 200 yard rushing games will also be a thing of the past in the NFL.

DallasDolfan
02-28-2006, 01:58 PM
Yeah but you want a QB that has some intelligence and not just ability. I'm pretty sure a pro offense is more complex than college and would take even longer to learn if you were a little lacking upstairs. I'd be curious to see what some other pro quarterbacks scored on the wonderlic test. John Clayton was talking on Mike and Mike this morning about it and I guess anything below a 12 is pretty bad and just the fact that Vince Young had to retake the test doesn't look good for him. He still won't drop all the way down to us though. He also said that Cutler may have hurt himself a bit at the combine because of some of his mechanics but there again he'll be long gone by the time we pick.

And they used to say Bradshaw was too dumb to win a SB and look what he did!

Schleprock
02-28-2006, 02:01 PM
Didn't Dan Marino score a 15 or 16?
And?


It's still not impressive, considering the questions being asked of a 21+ year old college kid.

Rixon
02-28-2006, 02:03 PM
didnt breese also play off the shot gun the majority of the time in college???????

PhinzN703
02-28-2006, 02:05 PM
If he'd drop to us b/c of a score, how could that be good? Teams would pass him up for what? Because he's an idiot?

How would that benefit us?

Rixon
02-28-2006, 02:12 PM
Marino also dropped
remember

PhinsPhan
02-28-2006, 02:13 PM
I think the main point people are missing here is Vince Young struggled in a pro style offense and played almost exclusively in shotgun. THIS combined with the poor wonderlic could lower his value. GMs are already going to question his ability to read defenses and now that he scored low on the wonderlic I think that may raise some doubts.

Wonderlic along means nothing but Vince hasnt shown the ability to adjust to defenses.

The reason 12 is such a bad score is because you should get that simply by guessing on every answer.

rafael
02-28-2006, 02:23 PM
He never scored a 6 says the NFL

He scored a 16 on the retake of the test, the initial test was actually a 12 from what ive heard

Where did you hear that the initial test was actually a 12?

TooDrkPark
02-28-2006, 02:28 PM
Marino also dropped
remember


And he's in the HOF for not acing the Wonderlic....

Philter25
02-28-2006, 02:57 PM
I forget the name of the football test that vince young bombed but he scored a 6 (absoloutely atrocious). This could be a very good thing for the fins if we weant vince young. He could possibly slip b/c of his score and look at ben roethlisberger who dropped in the draft and is now the youngest qb to ever win a superbowl

Thanks for the breaking news and putting it in the proper forum. Its greatly appreciated. :wink:

NYinBostonFin
02-28-2006, 02:59 PM
Saban wants smart players. Getting a 16 on his 2nd try will probably will make him pass on Young. Besides the other factors....like his arm strength.

His agent should have better prepared him for the test. From what they said on the NFL network yesterday, he really didnt take it as seriously as he should have.

Schleprock
02-28-2006, 03:57 PM
And he's in the HOF for not acing the Wonderlic....
..and there are thousands and thousands of players who also did poorly on the Wonderlic, and they aren't in the HOF. What's the meaning of your statement? ;)

Philter25
02-28-2006, 05:43 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2012/01/young3ce-1.jpg

Flyer22
02-28-2006, 06:05 PM
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/5655/young3ce.jpg
:sidelol: Hilarious. Are you gonna post this in every single thread about Young?

Philter25
02-28-2006, 07:17 PM
:sidelol: Hilarious. Are you gonna post this in every single thread about Young?............................. :yes:

ChambersWI
02-28-2006, 07:42 PM
Young was probably going to fall even before the Wonderlic.

Remember, 2 years ago as a RS Freshman he had Williams,Thomas, and Sanders as his WRs and Benson as his RB. He struggled to get PT from Chance Mauck.

As A sophomore he still had Benson and two decent TEs. He played in a pro style offense again and was pretty unimpressive. People were saying that Mauck should be getting the nod sooner rather than later. His best game as a Soph, was the Rose Bowl, when Mack Brown let him run.

This past season the offense was so simple it wasn't even funny. He was in a shotgun and he either handed it off from an option, or ran. When he did throw, he lobbed it up to WRs that were over 6'3. You want to know the best corners Young faced all year? His own corners during practice. The only other CB in the Big 12 that is even considered a First Day prospect is Charles Gordon from Kansas. The only team he faced outside of the Big 12 with a Corner with a First Day Grade is Ohio State (Ashton Youboty). Not only that, their safeties Whitner and Salley are both first day prospects, along with the 3 LBs. The OSU game was by far Young's worst game. Yes even USC's secondary was horrible. Bing is the only First Day player on that defense (that's in the draft).

If he has great workouts he'll rise again, but he's falling because of past struggles in a pro-style offense. The Wonderlic score doesn't help. Sure, some great QBs have had poor scores, but all of them had fewer question marks than Young did.

Had Young worked out at the combine you would've heard less about his poor test score, but the fact would've remained, he is falling in many scouts' eyes. He actually started to slip as Cutler began to rise. It doesn't help that guys at other skills positions (Huff, Hawk, and Davis in particular) are having excellent combines, and all 3 are a bigger need than QB for most teams in the top 10.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
02-28-2006, 07:44 PM
..and there are thousands and thousands of players who also did poorly on the Wonderlic, and they aren't in the HOF. What's the meaning of your statement? ;)
the fact that marino is even the only example people use shows that the exception is clearly not the rule.

PhinSoldia
03-01-2006, 01:25 AM
[quote=ChambersWI]Young was probably going to fall even before the Wonderlic.
quote]

hard to say but i agree...after a great Rose Bowl Campeign, he is then put in the headlight of the football world...and then everybody starts to see what is "wrong" with this guy. The fact that he is as smart as "a monkey that flings poop" doesnt matter....his game is seriously flawed...and the fact is known that he wasnt in school to get an education makes it worse...

rafael
03-01-2006, 12:17 PM
the fact that marino is even the only example people use shows that the exception is clearly not the rule.

Actually, Culpepper and McNabb were also provided as examples.