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Todd347347
03-01-2006, 02:04 PM
First I want to talk strategy then I will talk about who specifically I would take and why. When it comes to the draft people talk about need vs Best Player Available. Almost all the time I favor BPA, unless you have a young, high salary/profile player, then I would try to avoid selecting someone at that position. IMO, Ronnie Brown is the only player on the team that qualifies, so I wouldn't draft a running back at #16. ALL other positions are open for selection. Now say there are two guys on the board that you believe are equal value, then select one of those two players based on need.

Another part of the equation is the coaching/gm philosophy on evaluating talent. Saban has made it pretty clear he likes BIG, SMART, ATHLETIC players. Taking this into account these are the canidates that I think Saban would choose if available at #16, and if none are available then attempt to trade down.

1. Mario Williams DE - He has the size and athletism saban loves. Unfortunately there is no way he is available at #16

2. Vernon Davis TE - Another tremendous athlete with size and speed. There is no way we can pass up on this guy if the guy is available.

3. Winston Justice OT - He is supposedly the most athletic LT in the draft, which is exactly what Saban is looking for in that position. I read he was suspended for a year but worked his tail off during that time and is in great shape. If we go OT this is the pick.

4. Manny Lawson DE/OLB - Another guy with size, speed, and athletism, would mostly be an OLB in our sheme. But its hard to pass on this kind of talent. I beleive this is most likely our pick.

5. Jimmy Williams CB/S - Another guy with great size for his position. If the first 4 guys are gone I think saban takes williams. Its a strong need for the team, but Jimmy Williams would be my last choice before I try to trade down.

Here are some guys people have mentioned:
Chad Greenway - a possibility, I just don't know to be honest, did he have a slow 40?

Chad Jackson - another possibility - he meets sabans criteria with size and speed but at 16 seems like a reach. if we traded down he would be a good possibility.

Tye Hill - no way... too small

Michael Huff - possible, but a safety at #16? seems unlikely even if its a big need for us.

Demeco Ryans no way... too small

So there it is, I highly doubt we would even consider trading up.

Motion
03-01-2006, 02:08 PM
Safeties have been taken alot higher than 16. He's the best DB in the draft period, top 10 pick.

WelcomeBack
03-01-2006, 02:11 PM
A couple of things. Mario Williams and Vernon Davis SHOULD realistically both be gone by the time we pick, as will Michael Huff. If I remember correctly, Chad Greenway ran around a 4.7 in the 40. Chad Jackson in my opinion wouldn't be a reach at our pick at all. He showed up at the combine and completely blew scouts away. I don't understand your Huff comment. You said about him being a safety, and that a safety shouldn't be drafted at #16? That's what I don't get, Huff is a VERY good prospect who ran a 4.36 40 time. He has amazing intangibles and will not even be there when we pick.

primetime23
03-01-2006, 02:13 PM
huff, young

Motion
03-01-2006, 02:14 PM
I think Jackson will be gone by our pick, especially if Holmes doesn't have a good pro day.

Eric-Honduras
03-01-2006, 02:26 PM
Lawson i think could be the pick.

Tye Hill would be a great pick..a 5'10 he is fine.. plus his incredible speed more than makes up for this.

Huff will be gone..but would take this playmaker anytime.

WR i think could be addressed in later rounds..

Veron Davis is a machine and will be gone in the top 8 easy. he was tore it up at the combine..

PhinSoldia
03-01-2006, 02:33 PM
First I want to talk strategy then I will talk about who specifically I would take and why. When it comes to the draft people talk about need vs Best Player Available. Almost all the time I favor BPA, unless you have a young, high salary/profile player, then I would try to avoid selecting someone at that position. IMO, Ronnie Brown is the only player on the team that qualifies, so I wouldn't draft a running back at #16. ALL other positions are open for selection. Now say there are two guys on the board that you believe are equal value, then select one of those two players based on need.

Another part of the equation is the coaching/gm philosophy on evaluating talent. Saban has made it pretty clear he likes BIG, SMART, ATHLETIC players. Taking this into account these are the canidates that I think Saban would choose if available at #16, and if none are available then attempt to trade down.

1. Mario Williams DE - He has the size and athletism saban loves. Unfortunately there is no way he is available at #16

2. Vernon Davis TE - Another tremendous athlete with size and speed. There is no way we can pass up on this guy if the guy is available.

3. Winston Justice OT - He is supposedly the most athletic LT in the draft, which is exactly what Saban is looking for in that position. I read he was suspended for a year but worked his tail off during that time and is in great shape. If we go OT this is the pick.

4. Manny Lawson DE/OLB - Another guy with size, speed, and athletism, would mostly be an OLB in our sheme. But its hard to pass on this kind of talent. I beleive this is most likely our pick.

5. Jimmy Williams CB/S - Another guy with great size for his position. If the first 4 guys are gone I think saban takes williams. Its a strong need for the team, but Jimmy Williams would be my last choice before I try to trade down.

Here are some guys people have mentioned:
Chad Greenway - a possibility, I just don't know to be honest, did he have a slow 40?

Chad Jackson - another possibility - he meets sabans criteria with size and speed but at 16 seems like a reach. if we traded down he would be a good possibility.

Tye Hill - no way... too small

Michael Huff - possible, but a safety at #16? seems unlikely even if its a big need for us.

Demeco Ryans no way... too small

So there it is, I highly doubt we would even consider trading up.

Greenway had a terrible 40 and weight lift

PhinSoldia
03-01-2006, 02:34 PM
Lawson i think could be the pick.

Tye Hill would be a great pick..a 5'10 he is fine.. plus his incredible speed more than makes up for this.

Huff will be gone..but would take this playmaker anytime.

WR i think could be addressed in later rounds..

Veron Davis is a machine and will be gone in the top 8 easy. he was tore it up at the combine..

Lawson vaulted himself above the 16 if he is there it would be a steal

Finsfan79
03-01-2006, 02:54 PM
lawson, carpenter or simpson

huff/williams (both of them) will be gone

we dont need a WR or Right Tackle

ronrevog
03-01-2006, 03:02 PM
Im so glad you guys aren't running our draft...

We will be focusing on QB and CB with high picks...

PressCoverage
03-01-2006, 03:02 PM
Greenway had a terrible 40 and weight lift

yes he did... now could we please put the greenway clamor to bed once and for all? my god...

Motion
03-01-2006, 03:16 PM
Im so glad you guys aren't running our draft...

We will be focusing on QB and CB with high picks...

And you know this how?

NorFlaFin
03-01-2006, 03:49 PM
Bunkley or Jean-Gilles. Saban is not going to overpay for skill that needs one or two years to develop.

finsnchips
03-01-2006, 03:54 PM
First I want to talk strategy then I will talk about who specifically I would take and why. When it comes to the draft people talk about need vs Best Player Available. Almost all the time I favor BPA, unless you have a young, high salary/profile player, then I would try to avoid selecting someone at that position. IMO, Ronnie Brown is the only player on the team that qualifies, so I wouldn't draft a running back at #16. ALL other positions are open for selection. Now say there are two guys on the board that you believe are equal value, then select one of those two players based on need.

Another part of the equation is the coaching/gm philosophy on evaluating talent. Saban has made it pretty clear he likes BIG, SMART, ATHLETIC players. Taking this into account these are the canidates that I think Saban would choose if available at #16, and if none are available then attempt to trade down.

1. Mario Williams DE - He has the size and athletism saban loves. Unfortunately there is no way he is available at #16

2. Vernon Davis TE - Another tremendous athlete with size and speed. There is no way we can pass up on this guy if the guy is available.

3. Winston Justice OT - He is supposedly the most athletic LT in the draft, which is exactly what Saban is looking for in that position. I read he was suspended for a year but worked his tail off during that time and is in great shape. If we go OT this is the pick.

4. Manny Lawson DE/OLB - Another guy with size, speed, and athletism, would mostly be an OLB in our sheme. But its hard to pass on this kind of talent. I beleive this is most likely our pick.

5. Jimmy Williams CB/S - Another guy with great size for his position. If the first 4 guys are gone I think saban takes williams. Its a strong need for the team, but Jimmy Williams would be my last choice before I try to trade down.

Here are some guys people have mentioned:
Chad Greenway - a possibility, I just don't know to be honest, did he have a slow 40?

Chad Jackson - another possibility - he meets sabans criteria with size and speed but at 16 seems like a reach. if we traded down he would be a good possibility.

Tye Hill - no way... too small

Michael Huff - possible, but a safety at #16? seems unlikely even if its a big need for us.

Demeco Ryans no way... too small

So there it is, I highly doubt we would even consider trading up.
You can't seriously be suggesting that these guys will be there at 16??

Williams is a top 5 pick and Davis won't get past the Rams at #11 after his performance at the combine.

Realistically, we have to be looking at Lawson, Bunkley or Greenway at #16.

Geforce
03-01-2006, 04:04 PM
Michael Huff - possible, but a safety at #16? seems unlikely even if its a big need for us.

Troy Polamalu was drafted #16 by Pittsburgh in 2003 and Huff is taller and faster.

Skeet84
03-01-2006, 04:09 PM
Im so glad you guys aren't running our draft...

We will be focusing on QB and CB with high picks...


Actually we could go alot of different ways. I think Oline and LB is another way we could go

Motion
03-01-2006, 04:10 PM
Im so glad you guys aren't running our draft...

We will be focusing on QB and CB with high picks...

Funny considering Saban has said Oline and Dline are priorities.

playmaker1
03-01-2006, 04:12 PM
defence defencce defence

dolphin23
03-01-2006, 04:51 PM
I think these 2 will still be around, Manny Lawson or Tye Hill in that order The others that you mentioned, those guys will be gone Huff will not last past 9th pick M Williams is top 6 pick and Davis is a freak no way he will last till the 16th. Chad Greenway i wasnt overly impressed i would rather pick Winston Justice than Chad. So in short I would like to address our 1st pick to be on D, then address the qb, ol in the second rd.

DcRy82
03-01-2006, 05:28 PM
i want secondary with our first pick... Jimmy williams, Tye Hill, Ko Simpson... that is being realistic

Miamibyrd_24
03-01-2006, 05:40 PM
We shouldn't even bat our eyes towards a TE, we have an elite TE, plus the guy from USC and another pretty good TE we signed at the end of the season last year.

SF Dolphin Fan
03-01-2006, 05:43 PM
Good post. I think Lawson is the leading candidate as of now. McNeal is another that wouldn't surprise me.

ronrevog
03-01-2006, 06:27 PM
And you know this how?


I know this because the Dolphin's rebuilding process in no secret. RB was the priority last season and there was no mistake we adressed it, QB is the number one concern.

Skeet84
03-01-2006, 06:30 PM
I know this because the Dolphin's rebuilding process in no secret. RB was the priority last season and there was no mistake we adressed it, QB is the number one concern.


yeah, But what QB can we get in the draft for sure? We are gunna get a QB thru Free agency. We are going Defense and Oline in this Draft. We may get a QB in later rounds tho.

UCFinFan9
03-01-2006, 11:18 PM
why dont we just trade down and pick up more picks and see if we get ko simpson and cromartie(sp?)? maybe could help us fill some holes that we have? i really like simpson. he seems like he would be a great player in the nfl.

Fynasty
03-02-2006, 01:29 AM
Im so glad you guys aren't running our draft...

We will be focusing on QB and CB with high picks...

Yah because youre obviously a wealth of knowledge.

We go with BPA at ANY position of need, mainly someone who will come in and start or at least strongly compete for a starting spot.

Crowder52
03-02-2006, 02:26 AM
I'm wondering why I don't hear more of a desire for O-Line in the first. Seems to be some quality tackles and a monster guard projected as 1st rounders, and we all know O-Line has been our biggest problem for a while now (although lately the secondary seems headed that way too). I agree it may be a tad early for a RT or OG, but we have to address this at some point. If it's not O-Line, then I say it absolutely has to be on the defensive side of the ball.

Danny
03-02-2006, 02:44 AM
I love Lawson but I'm thinking that Carpenter could make more sense at this time.....Lawson will probably have to play the same position as our best player on defence(JT) so how much is he gonna play for the next couple of years? I was thinking Lawson at 16 but I'm thinking Carpenter more cos he's a real OLB who can blitz and who can cover....Lawson can get to the QB but at 6'6 he'll have his troubles covering recievers just like anyone at 6'6 would.....In my dreams I wish we could get bnoth but if I had to pick one I think Saban would take Carpenter at this point.

Ozzy rules!!