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Danny
03-02-2006, 10:56 AM
There's been a lot of people saying we should draft Manny Lawson....I'd love to have him on our team but is he better for us than Rob Carpenter? Lawson would play the same spot as JT so how much is he gonna play in the next 2 years? Carpenter on the other hand is a real OLB that can play the run, cover and he can blitz too....he's big which is something we need on our defence but ha can drop and cover....something Lawson would have a hard time doing at 6'6 imo....again, is not that I don't like Lawson but I think Carpenter would start right away for us.....Crowder, Zach and Carpenter would be great so what do you guys think?

Ozzy rules!!

Philter25
03-02-2006, 11:33 AM
I think it really depends on if we continue to use the same style 3-4 defense...... without getting into a ton of detail, in summary our 3-4 only has the hybrid guy on one side with JT. If you look at other 3-4s, some teams have two hybrid guys playing the OLB/DE spot. Our defense right now doesnt require that..... I dont know if thats because thats what Saban wants to play or its because we dont have the personnel to play that style. Having another hybrid guy really opens up an entirely new playbook and allows us to do a LOT more in defense than we already do now.

With that said, personally I would rather draft Lawson and have him play opposite of JT in the OLB spot for a few years and then when JT retires, we can move Manny over into the hybrid spot. For the next few years, we would have 2 hybrid OLB/DE type players and we would be able to do a lot more on defense.

If we plan on playing the current 3-4 we have now and have it set that JT's position is the only real hybrid guy, then I would lean towards a more pure OLB, although #16 might be a little high for Carpenter.

In_Flames
03-02-2006, 12:20 PM
I personally really like both Lawson & Carpenter for us, but if I have to chose between them I'd go with Lawson...although I would not be upset at all if we drafted Carpenter, but like philter said it may be a bit too early for him at #16 overall....

Skeet84
03-02-2006, 01:55 PM
I would rather have Lawson cause I think he could do so much more in the 3-4 and he has so much speed!

SF Dolphin Fan
03-02-2006, 02:23 PM
I actually think they both would be great fits. Carpenter is probably the more rounded player coming out, but because of Lawson's more dynamics skills I would go with him. I think he has more of a chance to change the game much like JT does.

playmaker1
03-02-2006, 02:27 PM
I think both would be impact players for the Dolphins, but Id rather Lawsonif I had to pick

Finsfan79
03-02-2006, 02:42 PM
Carpenter will become a good solid player that you can depend upon I think

Lawson is a bit more risky, but I believe he can become a game changer. when you have the chance to get a game changer (like JT) then you do it.

PhinsRDbest
03-02-2006, 02:54 PM
I'd say Carpenter because he would fit our need better. We already have a hybrid guy in JT. As of right now i know JT is a little suspect in pass coverage i dunno how Lawson is but i bet Carpenter is better. Although Carpenter would be somewhat of a reach at 16. If we did select him first we could always pickup JT's backup and future replacement later in the draft: McClover from Auburn, Long from Oregon, Vaughn LSU, Wimbley from FSU. I still think that Matt Roth could lose some weight and could be a hybrid DE/LB because thats what he started when he was a freshman.

dominizzo
03-02-2006, 03:27 PM
Bobby Carpenter HAnds Down

Geforce
03-02-2006, 05:11 PM
I think Lawson would be a better fit for us because not only does he brings uncanny speed that you just can't pass up plus he has played the DE/OLB hybrid position the past three years at NC State.
Bobby Carpenter is stronger but doesn't have Lawson's agility.
They both have had trouble shedding blockers but with someone like JT tutoring them, that would no longer be a weakness.

RalphX19X
03-02-2006, 05:20 PM
Lawson seems like a better fit for this system.

DBoston80
03-02-2006, 05:40 PM
Bobby Carpenter is so similar to Mike Vrabel it isnt funny!! Actually he's a little more athletic than Vrabel.

SF Dolphin Fan
03-02-2006, 05:52 PM
Bobby Carpenter is so similar to Mike Vrabel it isnt funny!! Actually he's a little more athletic than Vrabel.

That's a great comparison.

Disgustipate
03-02-2006, 06:01 PM
Well, it seems like Saban uses a rush OLB and a regular linebacker OLB.

I think Lawson is more likely, though. The guy is a physical freak, and built in the exact same mold as Jason Taylor. Lawson is athletic enough to be an every-down OLB in Miami's system.

vmarcilfan75
03-02-2006, 06:15 PM
Bobby Carpenter is so similar to Mike Vrabel it isnt funny!! Actually he's a little more athletic than Vrabel.

Who would you compare Lawson to?? Merriman??
if he is i rather have Lawson.

ZolarZ_GoPhins
03-02-2006, 06:19 PM
I like Carpenter alot as well. Problem is he is gonna be a reach at 16. I was hoping few months ago that Carpenter would be there in the 2nd, considering his injury and all. Just asked boomer about this he feels he will go late first.

Maybe we get lucky and someone tries to trade up to our spot and we can drop down a few and get Carpenter plus an extra pick.

I think he would fit well in the OLB spot with Thomas and Crowder inside and JT the other OLB/OE in the defense. Just seems like a perfect fit for me. Guess we will have to see what he can do when he works out for the teams.

Geforce
03-02-2006, 06:46 PM
Who would you compare Lawson to?? Merriman??
if he is i rather have Lawson.
Lawson is a faster Jason Taylor.

BrazForPhins
03-02-2006, 08:34 PM
The problem I have with Lawson is that he'd be more of a risk bet,although he seems to offer a higher reward if he pans out a stud..
bobby carpenter is a safer pick, but not with so much upside like Lawson

I'd be fine with either

Danny
03-03-2006, 03:13 AM
I'd be fine with either too but like I and some of the other have said, we have a guy like Lawson already in JT(of course there's nothing wrong with that...lol)but we don't have one like Carpenter....I do wish we'd move down and then take Carpenter in the 20's and get an extra pick....I guess we'll have to wait....I hope they're both there just to see which one Saban takes if he takes one of them.

Ozzy rules!!

Dolfan2788
03-03-2006, 03:34 AM
Lawson IS a real OLB, he has played LB at NC State, there would be nothing preventing him from being a LB in the pros.

He has good drob back coverage skills and is a great rush backer... why not?

We already have Crowder as our other OLB, we don't need a player in the same mould as him, we need a big pass rusher.

PhinSoldia
03-03-2006, 03:36 AM
Lawson because he can a DE/OLB in the 3/4

Canadi-Phin
03-03-2006, 08:51 AM
Carter-Wright-Holliday
Lawson-Thomas-Crowder-Taylor

I like Lawson, this way teams would relaly have no clue which side the extra pass rusher is coming from. Lawson and Taylor can both put a hand down a rush the passer. I think Taylor is going to be better in coverage this year after a years experience. Lawson has great speed and has already used his coverage skills, at least that's what he has said. Having two such talented pass rushers coming from the outside would be a thing of beauty. I wouldn't be upset with Carpenter either but I'd rather take my chances with him falling to the 2nd unless he has a great proday then it becomes more of a debate in my mind.

finfan54
03-03-2006, 09:05 AM
A better fit for us would be Nick Mangold and Brodie Croyle.

miamiron
03-03-2006, 10:50 AM
A better fit for us would be Nick Mangold :sidelol: and Brodie Croyle.

I don't think this has anything to do with the original question but to get back on topic either one would be an outstanding addition to our defense.

MiamiRon

RUDEbyallMEANS
03-04-2006, 07:10 PM
Lawson is a player that can potentially take a defense to another level like a Demarcus Ware and Merriman of last year and even like a Joey Porter or Terrell Suggs.

Carpenter is more of a solid player that I see as a MLB in this 3-4 system with a strong pursuit to the ball and very strong run support but will do an excellent job as a MLB.

I really like Carpenter as a player and what he does, I just don't think he has the ability of elevating a defensive coordinators flexibility in play calling as Manny Lawson does. Sure, Miami has an older Manny Lawson in JAson Taylor but you just CANNOT have enough of these types of players when (or if) the opportunity is there. Next to the fact that Jason Taylor is around 32 years old. Three years of Lawson and Taylor as a tandem would be.... Struggling to find words to explain this situation... Let's just say very, very, very instrumental to the defensive flexiblity that Dom Capers (A defensive genius) can muster up. I'm sure Capers would have alot of FUN utlizing those 2.

This may be a moot point because Manny Lawson, I believe, will not be available to Miami at #16

Roman529
03-05-2006, 03:44 AM
I saw Lawson's combine performance today on the NFL Network and the guy can flat out fly for a man his size. I would love to see Lawson as an OLB. :tongue:

dolphin23
03-05-2006, 05:53 PM
I think it really depends on if we continue to use the same style 3-4 defense...... without getting into a ton of detail, in summary our 3-4 only has the hybrid guy on one side with JT. If you look at other 3-4s, some teams have two hybrid guys playing the OLB/DE spot. Our defense right now doesnt require that..... I dont know if thats because thats what Saban wants to play or its because we dont have the personnel to play that style. Having another hybrid guy really opens up an entirely new playbook and allows us to do a LOT more in defense than we already do now.

With that said, personally I would rather draft Lawson and have him play opposite of JT in the OLB spot for a few years and then when JT retires, we can move Manny over into the hybrid spot. For the next few years, we would have 2 hybrid OLB/DE type players and we would be able to do a lot more on defense.

If we plan on playing the current 3-4 we have now and have it set that JT's position is the only real hybrid guy, then I would lean towards a more pure OLB, although #16 might be a little high for Carpenter.

you took the words out of my mouth, great post. :up:

Phins28
03-05-2006, 06:15 PM
Lawson is a player that can potentially take a defense to another level like a Demarcus Ware and Merriman of last year and even like a Joey Porter or Terrell Suggs.

Carpenter is more of a solid player that I see as a MLB in this 3-4 system with a strong pursuit to the ball and very strong run support but will do an excellent job as a MLB.

I really like Carpenter as a player and what he does, I just don't think he has the ability of elevating a defensive coordinators flexibility in play calling as Manny Lawson does. Sure, Miami has an older Manny Lawson in JAson Taylor but you just CANNOT have enough of these types of players when (or if) the opportunity is there. Next to the fact that Jason Taylor is around 32 years old. Three years of Lawson and Taylor as a tandem would be.... Struggling to find words to explain this situation... Let's just say very, very, very instrumental to the defensive flexiblity that Dom Capers (A defensive genius) can muster up. I'm sure Capers would have alot of FUN utlizing those 2.

This may be a moot point because Manny Lawson, I believe, will not be available to Miami at #16

Exactly my thoughts.

playmaker1
03-06-2006, 12:28 AM
I saw Lawson's combine performance today on the NFL Network and the guy can flat out fly for a man his size. I would love to see Lawson as an OLB. :tongue:

I saw that too, he could fit right in in Miami