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SF Dolphin Fan
03-03-2006, 04:30 PM
I know it's not likely, but let's say Vince Young slides come draft day -- hey it happened to Dan Marino. Granted that was a qb rich draft. Do you take Young, or trade up a bit to get him if he's in the 7-10 range? Personally, I believe he is the most exciting player in the entire draft. And this is one of the most loaded drafts I can ever remember. I know a lot depends on what Miami does with Drew Brees, but there's still a strong possibility that a team with more money will outbid the Dolphins. Meaning, a lesser vet might be with our team, or Gus might again be the guy for a year. Tony Dungy said something very interesting about Young that caught my attention. Paraphrasing, he said that with the right offensive coordinator who built the offense around Young's talent, NFL defenses would be reeling trying to figure out a way to stop Young. I believe Miami has the right offensive coordinator, in Mularkey, the same guy that made Kordell Stewart look awfully good in Pittsburgh. I know Miami has a lot of other holes, the secondary needs to be totally rebuilt and the offensive line is average at best. But, how could we pass on Young if he fell into our laps?

Philter25
03-03-2006, 04:32 PM
No. I would renounce the fins. He doesnt fit into our style of offense, period. We need a good passing QB.

GRAPEAPE
03-03-2006, 04:38 PM
, how could we pass on Young if he fell into our laps?Easily, don't draft him. We could start the why/why not arguement, but I am tired of arguing about it.

Skeet84
03-03-2006, 04:41 PM
No. I would renounce the fins. He doesnt fit into our style of offense, period. We need a good passing QB.


I would not Renounce the fins however we are much better off with a Pocket QB who can throw a nice long ball.

DcRy82
03-03-2006, 04:42 PM
when vince young has a 3,000 yard season in one of his first 3 years, im callin you out Philter...

Philter25
03-03-2006, 04:50 PM
when vince young has a 3,000 yard season in one of his first 3 years, im callin you out Philter... ok.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
03-03-2006, 04:53 PM
when vince young has a 3,000 yard season in one of his first 3 years, im callin you out Philter...
how will he throw for 3000 yards on the bench?

Skeet84
03-03-2006, 07:05 PM
I thought I would post here rather have ANOTHER Vince Young thread.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2353164

Flyer22
03-03-2006, 07:32 PM
I thought I would post here rather have ANOTHER Vince Young thread.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2353164
Young went Patriots on us and says he feels "disrespected."

Skeet84
03-03-2006, 07:34 PM
Young went Patriots on us and says he feels "disrespected."


Well maybe he will be Tom Brady's Back-up and they have something to talk about. :D

PhinstiGator
03-03-2006, 08:04 PM
I know it's not likely, but let's say Vince Young slides come draft day...
Young is the only QB that I would be interested in for round 1. If he's there, it would be tough to pass him by. We definitely don't move up...it's too costly.

Young is similar to a couple of the guys that Saban recruited at LSU...so, he seems like a good fit.

SF Dolphin Fan
03-03-2006, 08:42 PM
Young is the only QB that I would be interested in for round 1. If he's there, it would be tough to pass him by. We definitely don't move up...it's too costly.

Young is similar to a couple of the guys that Saban recruited at LSU...so, he seems like a good fit.

I just don't understand all the negative feedback on the guy. Yes, he is unconventional in his delivery and played in a system that is different from what the NFL "traditionally" does. But, he is more than just a running back playing quarterback and has a good enough arm. The guy finds a way to win. I think he will be a special player.

miamiron
03-03-2006, 08:56 PM
No. I would renounce the fins. He doesnt fit into our style of offense, period. We need a good passing QB.

Finally a few words of sanity

Please lets put it to sleep!!!

jlfin
03-03-2006, 10:20 PM
I know it's not likely, but let's say Vince Young slides come draft day -- hey it happened to Dan Marino. Granted that was a qb rich draft. Do you take Young, or trade up a bit to get him if he's in the 7-10 range? Personally, I believe he is the most exciting player in the entire draft. And this is one of the most loaded drafts I can ever remember. I know a lot depends on what Miami does with Drew Brees, but there's still a strong possibility that a team with more money will outbid the Dolphins. Meaning, a lesser vet might be with our team, or Gus might again be the guy for a year. Tony Dungy said something very interesting about Young that caught my attention. Paraphrasing, he said that with the right offensive coordinator who built the offense around Young's talent, NFL defenses would be reeling trying to figure out a way to stop Young. I believe Miami has the right offensive coordinator, in Mularkey, the same guy that made Kordell Stewart look awfully good in Pittsburgh. I know Miami has a lot of other holes, the secondary needs to be totally rebuilt and the offensive line is average at best. But, how could we pass on Young if he fell into our laps?

I beg to differ with the Kordell Stewart praise. He stunk even with Mularkey. He had a couple of decent games, but for the most part he was a failure as an NFL QB. Offensive coordinators are important, but with all due respect to Dungy, great QB's are born, not made. Marino, Elway, Kelly etc would succeed in any system.
I haven't seen enough of Young to render a specific opinion about him, but if a team is going to pick a QB in the top 5 he better be a franchise type QB.

jlfin
03-03-2006, 10:27 PM
I just don't understand all the negative feedback on the guy. Yes, he is unconventional in his delivery and played in a system that is different from what the NFL "traditionally" does. But, he is more than just a running back playing quarterback and has a good enough arm. The guy finds a way to win. I think he will be a special player.

It's not arm strength that people are concerned about. It has more to do with the mental aspects i.e his ability to mentally adjust to the speed of the NFL game. That is ,making quick reads and delivering the ball with accuracy.
Sandlot football (like Vick plays) only works against average to below average defenses. The concern with Young has to do with questions regarding his ability to adjust to a more structured offense. Freelancing as a QB does not win playoff games.
To truly succeed in the NFL you have to have the ability to use all the pieces of your offense. That takes a great mental command of the game. Joe Montana and Bob Griese did not have superior arm strength or athletic ability, but they were both exceptionally bright and new how to set up a defense. They distributed the ball to different cogs in their offense.

PhinstiGator
03-04-2006, 02:08 AM
I just don't understand all the negative feedback on the guy. Yes, he is unconventional in his delivery and played in a system that is different from what the NFL "traditionally" does. But, he is more than just a running back playing quarterback and has a good enough arm. The guy finds a way to win. I think he will be a special player.
What's not to like? The kid has a great combination of size, strength, and speed. His accuracy is certainly not a problem with a solid completion percentage and he throws a catchable ball.

He played in a balanced system and his main target was the Tight End. Scoring 38 TD's last season was no walk in the park.

I don't care about the stupid wonderlic score....whatever it is. Vince Young has that competive drive that wins games. The physical talent allows him to get it done. He is very difficult to tackle and his 9.34 yards per pass attempt is well above average.

As a junior draft prospect, I would rank him above wonderlic genious Alex Smith.

PhinSoldia
03-04-2006, 11:57 AM
I For One Still Won T Be Interested

UCFinFan9
03-04-2006, 07:46 PM
Sandlot football (like Vick plays) only works against average to below average defenses. The concern with Young has to do with questions regarding his ability to adjust to a more structured offense. Freelancing as a QB does not win playoff games.

a lil off topic, but vick seems to do pretty good against the carolina panthers and the bucs (which usually crush him) i dont see them as a sub par defenses. just my opinion. anyways. i dont see why we wouldnt pass up an opportunity on such a talent like him. he friggin beat the "best team of all time" ALL BY HIMSELF. most of sabans QB have been athletes. i dont see how we couldnt produce a top-notch offense around brown and young.

SF Dolphin Fan
03-04-2006, 10:09 PM
I beg to differ with the Kordell Stewart praise. He stunk even with Mularkey. He had a couple of decent games, but for the most part he was a failure as an NFL QB. Offensive coordinators are important, but with all due respect to Dungy, great QB's are born, not made. Marino, Elway, Kelly etc would succeed in any system.
I haven't seen enough of Young to render a specific opinion about him, but if a team is going to pick a QB in the top 5 he better be a franchise type QB.

I hear what you're saying, but f memory serves Kordell Stewart had 1-2 pro bowl seasons with Mularkey as offensive coordinator. Also, remember how bad Steve Young was when he played in Tampa Bay? The SF system helped put him in the hall of fame instead of the all-time bust list. I definitely agree with your last statement and that's where it gets tough with Vince Young and Jay Cutler. Neither are sure things the way Leinart appears to be.

SF Dolphin Fan
03-04-2006, 10:16 PM
It's not arm strength that people are concerned about. It has more to do with the mental aspects i.e his ability to mentally adjust to the speed of the NFL game. That is ,making quick reads and delivering the ball with accuracy.
Sandlot football (like Vick plays) only works against average to below average defenses. The concern with Young has to do with questions regarding his ability to adjust to a more structured offense. Freelancing as a QB does not win playoff games.
To truly succeed in the NFL you have to have the ability to use all the pieces of your offense. That takes a great mental command of the game. Joe Montana and Bob Griese did not have superior arm strength or athletic ability, but they were both exceptionally bright and new how to set up a defense. They distributed the ball to different cogs in their offense.

Well said and I get that. Guys like Tom Brady get overlooked because of lack of athletic ability, while others get picked much higher than they should based on outstanding athletic ability, arm strength and other measurables. To date, Michael Vick isn't a top 10 caliber NFL qb in my book although he is exciting to watch. If I'm grading a quarterback, the ability to make accurate throws and the right decisions are the top criteria. Young's ability to read defenses has come into question, but he seemed to make great second and third reads against USC, which plays a pro-style defense and tried everything to slow him down. I could be wrong with Young, but I really think he could be special with the right offensive coordinator. That's why I believe Miami would be a good fit.

SF Dolphin Fan
03-04-2006, 10:19 PM
What's not to like? The kid has a great combination of size, strength, and speed. His accuracy is certainly not a problem with a solid completion percentage and he throws a catchable ball.

He played in a balanced system and his main target was the Tight End. Scoring 38 TD's last season was no walk in the park.

I don't care about the stupid wonderlic score....whatever it is. Vince Young has that competive drive that wins games. The physical talent allows him to get it done. He is very difficult to tackle and his 9.34 yards per pass attempt is well above average.

As a junior draft prospect, I would rank him above wonderlic genious Alex Smith.

Didn't Dan Marino have a low wonderlic score as well? I don't know much abou the test, but there's a difference between intelligence and football smarts. I would be thrilled to death if Miami got Vince Young, without giving up a slew of picks.

SF Dolphin Fan
03-04-2006, 10:22 PM
a lil off topic, but vick seems to do pretty good against the carolina panthers and the bucs (which usually crush him) i dont see them as a sub par defenses. just my opinion. anyways. i dont see why we wouldnt pass up an opportunity on such a talent like him. he friggin beat the "best team of all time" ALL BY HIMSELF. most of sabans QB have been athletes. i dont see how we couldnt produce a top-notch offense around brown and young.

Agree. Plus, Young is extremely accurate in the short/intermediate range which is the main thing holding Vick back. Granted, Young hasn't shown the ability to throw the deep ball consistently, but that seems to be a lost art in the NFL anyway.