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Silverphin
03-04-2006, 06:38 PM
This is my first ever draft mock. Seeing as I know more about the fins than I know about the 31 other teams in the league, I'll keep the draft within our own team.

Assumptions made: We don't land Brees. Gus is again our starter. The top three QB prospects are gone before we pick.

Round 1-

Manny Lawson 4-3 DE/3-4 LB North Carolina State - The bad news is, we don't even have a snowball's chance in hell to land Lienart, Young or Cutler without trading a good amount of picks. The good news? We can draft a Defensive End/Linebacker that has the measurables similar our own hybrid player, Jason Taylor. Would he need some work? Of course. But with Kevin Carter and Jason Taylor showing him the ropes, there's almost no doubt he'll suceed. With Matt Roth looking like he'll be less of the Jason Taylor type DE and more of a Kevin Carter type DE, Manny Lawson will have us set for DE for years.


Round 2-

Antonio Cromartie CB Florida State - He has the height (6'3") to go up against tall receivers like Plaxico Burress. He has speed (4.37 in the 40 according to NFL Draft Countdown). Of course, he needs work like any other prospect. But the biggest problem is that he is coming off a knee injury. While it may dissuade quite a few teams, we took it a risk with Channing Crowder despite his injury history. So why not on Cromartie?


Round 3-

Omar Jacobs QB Bowling Green - He'll be a project. Quite a few people knock his throwing motion, though apparently he has been working on it. Which is good - that means he's willing to learn. Now check his positives from NFL Draft Countdown.


Has prototypical size and a big sturdy frame...A very accurate passer...Arm strength is more than adequate...Athletic with solid speed...Moves well in the pocket and can throw on the run...Very smart with the ball and doesn't make a lot of mistakes...Extremely productive...Still has some upside...A leader on the field.

Sounds a lot like Donovan McNabb, no?


Round 4 -

Babatunde Oshinowo DT Stanford - Okay, before I start, his name is pronounced ba-ba-TOON-day OH-shi-no-who.

Now that I got that out of the way, Keith Traylor isn't getting any younger and Manuel Wright, despite the BRIGHT (not bright, BRIGHT) future he as with this team, is too tall to be a Nose Tackle. While the likes of Ngata and Watson are gone, Babatunde can be our future two gapper, our Tim Bowenian-type pick up. Plus "The Truck" can place him under his wing. In the future, our D-Line could look something like this.

4-3 (from Left End to Right End): Matt Roth, Manuel Wright, Kevin Vickerson, Manny Lawson

3-4 (Same order): Matt Roth, Babatunde Oshinowo, Kevin Vickerson


7a - Thomas Parker WR Florida Atlantic University - Weird pick? Maybe. But the last two years, he has really stepped his game up for Owls (29 catches for 584 yards and 20.1 yards per reception). And we do need some receivers. While our top three receivers (Chambers, Booker, and Welker) have been proven keepers, there is a huge drop off after that.


7b - BPA

7c - BPA

Pennington's Rocket Arm
03-04-2006, 06:49 PM
Sounds a lot like Donovan McNabb, no?
he's nothing like mcnabb though.

Skeet84
03-04-2006, 06:55 PM
This is my first ever draft mock. Seeing as I know more about the fins than I know about the 31 other teams in the league, I'll keep the draft within our own team.

Assumptions made: We don't land Brees. Gus is again our starter. The top three QB prospects are gone before we pick.

Round 1-

Manny Lawson 4-3 DE/3-4 LB North Carolina State - The bad news is, we don't even have a snowball's chance in hell to land Lienart, Young or Cutler without trading a good amount of picks. The good news? We can draft a Defensive End/Linebacker that has the measurables similar our own hybrid player, Jason Taylor. Would he need some work? Of course. But with Kevin Carter and Jason Taylor showing him the ropes, there's almost no doubt he'll suceed. With Matt Roth looking like he'll be less of the Jason Taylor type DE and more of a Kevin Carter type DE, Manny Lawson will have us set for DE for years.


Round 2-

Antonio Cromartie CB Florida State - He has the height (6'3") to go up against tall receivers like Plaxico Burress. He has speed (4.37 in the 20 according to NFL Draft Countdown). Of course, he needs work like any other prospect. But the biggest problem is that he is coming off a knee injury. While it may dissuade quite a few teams, we took it a risk with Channing Crowder despite his injury history. So why not on Cromartie?


Round 3-

Omar Jacobs QB Bowling Green - He'll be a project. Quite a few people knock his throwing motion, though apparently he has been working on it. Which is good - that means he's willing to learn. Now check his positives from NFL Draft Countdown.



Sounds a lot like Donovan McNabb, no?


Round 4 -

Babatunde Oshinowo DT Stanford - Okay, before I start, his name is pronounced ba-ba-TOON-day OH-shi-no-who.

Now that I got that out of the way, Keith Traylor isn't getting any younger and Manuel Wright, despite the BRIGHT (not bright, BRIGHT) future he as with this team, is too tall to be a Nose Tackle. While the likes of Ngata and Watson are gone, Babatunde can be our future two gapper, our Tim Bowenian-type pick up. Plus "The Truck" can place him under his wing. In the future, our D-Line could look something like this.

4-3 (from Left End to Right End): Matt Roth, Manuel Wright, Kevin Vickerson, Manny Lawson

3-4 (Same order): Matt Roth, Babatunde Oshinowo, Kevin Vickerson


7a - Thomas Parker WR Florida Atlantic University - Weird pick? Maybe. But the last two years, he has really stepped his game up for Owls (29 catches for 584 yards and 20.1 yards per reception). And we do need some receivers. While our top three receivers (Chambers, Booker, and Welker) have been proven keepers, there is a huge drop off after that.


7b - BPA

7c - BPA


1st. I am starting to think thats a reach for us at the 16 pic ( manny Lawson ). We may need to try and trade down if we are going to select him.
2nd. Cromartie ran really slow in the 20 4.37. :D I know what you meant, But I really don't think he is gunna be there. However if he is thats great, But if not there will be someone else we can get to fill holes.
Examples-
Jonathan Joseph CB
Davin Joseph OG
Brodie Croyle QB Ignore this if we get Brees
Abdoul Hodge LB I think he is better than his teammate Chad Greenway
Thomas Howard LB
There are some other choices out there however these are my top ones.

3rd. Is a great pick, But will he be there.

The rest seem are probably BPA at Position of Need picks

Silverphin
03-04-2006, 07:54 PM
1st. I am starting to think thats a reach for us at the 16 pic ( manny Lawson ). We may need to try and trade down if we are going to select him.
2nd. Cromartie ran really slow in the 20 4.37. :D I know what you meant, But I really don't think he is gunna be there. However if he is thats great, But if not there will be someone else we can get to fill holes.
Examples-
Jonathan Joseph CB
Davin Joseph OG
Brodie Croyle QB Ignore this if we get Brees
Abdoul Hodge LB I think he is better than his teammate Chad Greenway
Thomas Howard LB
There are some other choices out there however these are my top ones.

3rd. Is a great pick, But will he be there.

The rest seem are probably BPA at Position of Need picks

So how was my mock over all? I think I got about a 6 out of 10.

Skeet84
03-04-2006, 08:00 PM
So how was my mock over all? I think I got about a 6 out of 10.


I think you did a Good job. The only real problem I had was I think we go Oline in the 4th if we don't any other time in the draft.
A very Nice Job!

Flyer22
03-04-2006, 08:02 PM
So how was my mock over all? I think I got about a 6 out of 10.
6 out of 10 for reality, but if this actually happened I'd give it a 9.5/10

Silverphin
03-04-2006, 08:03 PM
I think you did a Good job. The only real problem I had was I think we go Oline in the 4th if we don't any other time in the draft.
A very Nice Job!

Thanks

Phins28
03-04-2006, 08:26 PM
So how was my mock over all? I think I got about a 6 out of 10.

I give you a 5 out of 10 because of the Omar Jacobs pick, I don't like him.

Flyer22
03-04-2006, 08:31 PM
I give you a 5 out of 10 because of the Omar Jacobs pick, I don't like him.
Why not?

PhinSoldia
03-04-2006, 08:34 PM
dont be suprised if Lawson is gone by our pick

Skeet84
03-04-2006, 09:15 PM
I give you a 5 out of 10 because of the Omar Jacobs pick, I don't like him.

Wow 5 out of 10? Omar Jacobs has really been impressive and he has all the tools to become an NFL QB.

Phins28
03-04-2006, 10:35 PM
Wow 5 out of 10? Omar Jacobs has really been impressive and he has all the tools to become an NFL QB.

Horrible mechanics, awful sidearm delivery, he took most of his snap out of the shotgun formation, played against poor teams, he didn't throw the ball downfield and he struggled in his senior season.

Skeet84
03-04-2006, 11:55 PM
Horrible mechanics, awful sidearm delivery, he took most of his snap out of the shotgun formation, played against poor teams, he didn't throw the ball downfield and he struggled in his senior season.


His best game was agianist Wisconsin and they shut down Auburn who was the best Offense in the SEC and with all the Defenses in the SEC thats saying something. Omar Jacobs would not be the only QB with a sidearm delivery and he is so tall at almost 6'4 that should not be a problem. Besides we are not saying that he would come in and start. He would be a nice project, But has alot of tools that he can work with. He is extremely accurate and really would be a nice addition. He will get better and he can't help who he played againist in College. Besides that other good QB's have come from schools like Bowling Green. Who cares if he took all the snaps from shutgun its not like he never took snaps from under center before. Struggling can come alot of other things other than his performance.

saves
03-05-2006, 12:12 AM
I like those first 4 rounds bro. Lawson is a bit of an unknown to me, but with those numbers and the rave reviews I'm hearing about him, he should be A OK.
Cromartie would be an absolute STEAL in the second round I think
As for the DT, I don't think he is much of a need with Wright and Vickerson showing some promise, but big guys are hard to find so it might be a safe bet.

A note on Jacobs, your McNabb comparison is way off, he is more....**** I dunno...OMAR JACOBS
He dosn't have near the wheels of McNabb, hes a passer straight up.

And the dude knocking Omar, who gives a **** about mechanics and his delivery when he gets the ball exactly where it needs to be, and with juice

He did throw the ball downfield, but I guess you read that on some killer draft site.

He played some quality opponents very well...and more than enough QB's have came from the same conference with success (see the current super bowl QB)

and finally....he had a horrible senior season why...wait this one will really get you...BECAUSE HE IS A FREAKING JUNIOR

Thanks for playing...buh bye

super_slash
03-05-2006, 12:18 AM
Horrible mechanics, awful sidearm delivery, he took most of his snap out of the shotgun formation, played against poor teams, he didn't throw the ball downfield and he struggled in his senior season.

how did you feel about Philip Rivers?

Phins28
03-05-2006, 12:31 AM
I like those first 4 rounds bro. Lawson is a bit of an unknown to me, but with those numbers and the rave reviews I'm hearing about him, he should be A OK.
Cromartie would be an absolute STEAL in the second round I think
As for the DT, I don't think he is much of a need with Wright and Vickerson showing some promise, but big guys are hard to find so it might be a safe bet.

A note on Jacobs, your McNabb comparison is way off, he is more....**** I dunno...OMAR JACOBS
He dosn't have near the wheels of McNabb, hes a passer straight up.

And the dude knocking Omar, who gives a **** about mechanics and his delivery when he gets the ball exactly where it needs to be, and with juice

He did throw the ball downfield, but I guess you read that on some killer draft site.

He played some quality opponents very well...and more than enough QB's have came from the same conference with success (see the current super bowl QB)

and finally....he had a horrible senior season why...wait this one will really get you...BECAUSE HE IS A FREAKING JUNIOR

Thanks for playing...buh bye

There's alot of Omar Jacobs fans here :lol: and I respect that, but I don't like him and you have to respect my opinion. He's another Andre Ware and Tim Couch, they are systems Quarterbacks.

Phins28
03-05-2006, 12:32 AM
how did you feel about Philip Rivers?

I don't like him either, he doesn't have the arm strenght to play in our system.

saves
03-05-2006, 12:34 AM
There's alot of Omar Jacobs fans here :lol: and I respect that, but I don't like him and you have to respect my opinion. He's another Andre Ware and Tim Couch, they are systems Quarterbacks.

I have no problem respecting another opinion, as long as you can back it up. And saying he has horrible mechanics, a few other things we have heard and discussed a thousand times, and then showing you don't even know what class he is in dosn't give me much to respect does it?

Phins28
03-05-2006, 12:47 AM
I have no problem respecting another opinion, as long as you can back it up. And saying he has horrible mechanics, a few other things we have heard and discussed a thousand times, and then showing you don't even know what class he is in dosn't give me much to respect does it?

I made a mistake on his class sooooooo? I watched a few of his games and I read all his scouting reports I know what I'm talking about.

saves
03-05-2006, 01:12 AM
I made a mistake on his class sooooooo? I watched a few of his games and I read all his scouting reports I know what I'm talking about.

Okay well enlighten me....which games did you watch and what did you notice that was so bad? What red flags did you see and read about in his scouting reports?

Motion
03-05-2006, 01:26 AM
Solid draft. I'm starting to warm up to the possibility of Jacobs. With the right coaching I think he could be solid.

super_slash
03-05-2006, 01:27 AM
I have a problem with shot-gun QB's too, but Ben Rothlesberger was a MAC QB who played in the shotgun

the guy has a strong acurate arm and is tall, he threw well at the combine

he has everything Rivers has

Skeet84
03-05-2006, 01:45 AM
Solid draft. I'm starting to warm up to the possibility of Jacobs. With the right coaching I think he could be solid.

This statement is really shocking, But I felt almost the same way, But I have been turned around by this guy at the combine and the research I have done too.

Danny
03-05-2006, 03:16 AM
This is my first ever draft mock. Seeing as I know more about the fins than I know about the 31 other teams in the league, I'll keep the draft within our own team.

Assumptions made: We don't land Brees. Gus is again our starter. The top three QB prospects are gone before we pick.

Round 1-

Manny Lawson 4-3 DE/3-4 LB North Carolina State - The bad news is, we don't even have a snowball's chance in hell to land Lienart, Young or Cutler without trading a good amount of picks. The good news? We can draft a Defensive End/Linebacker that has the measurables similar our own hybrid player, Jason Taylor. Would he need some work? Of course. But with Kevin Carter and Jason Taylor showing him the ropes, there's almost no doubt he'll suceed. With Matt Roth looking like he'll be less of the Jason Taylor type DE and more of a Kevin Carter type DE, Manny Lawson will have us set for DE for years.


Round 2-

Antonio Cromartie CB Florida State - He has the height (6'3") to go up against tall receivers like Plaxico Burress. He has speed (4.37 in the 40 according to NFL Draft Countdown). Of course, he needs work like any other prospect. But the biggest problem is that he is coming off a knee injury. While it may dissuade quite a few teams, we took it a risk with Channing Crowder despite his injury history. So why not on Cromartie?


Round 3-

Omar Jacobs QB Bowling Green - He'll be a project. Quite a few people knock his throwing motion, though apparently he has been working on it. Which is good - that means he's willing to learn. Now check his positives from NFL Draft Countdown.



Sounds a lot like Donovan McNabb, no?


Round 4 -

Babatunde Oshinowo DT Stanford - Okay, before I start, his name is pronounced ba-ba-TOON-day OH-shi-no-who.

Now that I got that out of the way, Keith Traylor isn't getting any younger and Manuel Wright, despite the BRIGHT (not bright, BRIGHT) future he as with this team, is too tall to be a Nose Tackle. While the likes of Ngata and Watson are gone, Babatunde can be our future two gapper, our Tim Bowenian-type pick up. Plus "The Truck" can place him under his wing. In the future, our D-Line could look something like this.

4-3 (from Left End to Right End): Matt Roth, Manuel Wright, Kevin Vickerson, Manny Lawson

3-4 (Same order): Matt Roth, Babatunde Oshinowo, Kevin Vickerson


7a - Thomas Parker WR Florida Atlantic University - Weird pick? Maybe. But the last two years, he has really stepped his game up for Owls (29 catches for 584 yards and 20.1 yards per reception). And we do need some receivers. While our top three receivers (Chambers, Booker, and Welker) have been proven keepers, there is a huge drop off after that.


7b - BPA

7c - BPA
As much as I like Lawson I'm not sure he should be a priority as we already have JT and he's not that old yet....I've said before that we need Rob Carpenter more than we need Lawson.Cromartie should be gone way before the 51 pick.Jacobs I'd not touch on day one....I'd rather have Whitehurst but is academic as I think we'll get Brees.....I love the 4th round pick if he's there....so I give you 2 of the top 4 cos I do like Lawson....just not sure he should be our top pick cos he won't start right away for us with JT there but Carpenter would start right away and be great with Zach and Crowder.

Ozzy rules!!

Roman529
03-05-2006, 03:39 AM
I also think Cromartie will be gone somewhere in the first round. Jacobs has really fallen....I think he is a Day Two pick. I think we are going to sign Brees next week.

Skeet84
03-05-2006, 03:47 AM
I also think Cromartie will be gone somewhere in the first round. Jacobs has really fallen....I think he is a Day Two pick. I think we are going to sign Brees next week.


I agree about Cromartie however I would honestly like to know how Jacobs has fallen. He is not a day 2 pick and thats for sure! Jacobs has a great chance to be gone in the second with his Deadly accruacy and above average arm. You can't blame him for the system or college he went too. I think he is somewhat of a project, But has good upside IMO.

super_slash
03-05-2006, 04:37 AM
if Jacobs lasts to day 2, I could only imagine that it is racism

all this lauding Cutler for "competing" at the combine, lets give Jacobs credit too

getting Croyle or Jacobs would be sweet(if we don't sign Brees)

Skeet84
03-05-2006, 04:46 AM
if Jacobs lasts to day 2, I could only imagine that it is racism

all this lauding Cutler for "competing" at the combine, lets give Jacobs credit too

getting Croyle or Jacobs would be sweet(if we don't sign Brees)


Even if we sign Brees and Jacobs is there in the 3rd I say take him, Because you really don't know about Bree's Shoulder and Jacobs would be a nice project.

super_slash
03-05-2006, 04:54 AM
if we sign Brees, I would take a Day 2 QB

we have many needs to consider

Skeet84
03-05-2006, 04:56 AM
if we sign Brees, I would take a Day 2 QB

we have many needs to consider


This is true, But a QB of the Future should always be an option. Besides Bree's Shoulder might not be the best and I would rather have a young guy that we can mold from the very beggining than an older veteran that is just a temp solution and probably won't be that good. Some times you have to think about the future not just the present

super_slash
03-05-2006, 05:00 AM
we need a veteran for Brees insurance not a rookie

Skeet84
03-05-2006, 05:05 AM
we need a veteran for Brees insurance not a rookie

Well If Bree's is ok than We have a chance to groom our future while our present plays well. I am thinking bigger picture.

super_slash
03-05-2006, 11:54 AM
I am thinking bigger picture.


we need OL, DB's, LB's

that is the bigger picture

Skeet84
03-05-2006, 02:49 PM
we need OL, DB's, LB's

that is the bigger picture


There is Free Agency and more rounds in the NFL draft.

dolphin23
03-05-2006, 05:37 PM
I like your mock, I will be crossing my finger when draft day comes. But the only thing missing is that you didn't put any OL in any of the rounds thats one of the areas that are in need for some new blood. But all in all good job.:up:

super_slash
03-05-2006, 06:20 PM
There is Free Agency and more rounds in the NFL draft.

:shakeno:

the dumber picture

Silverphin
03-05-2006, 06:24 PM
I like your mock, I will be crossing my finger when draft day comes. But the only thing missing is that you didn't put any OL in any of the rounds thats one of the areas that are in need for some new blood. But all in all good job.:up:

True. But quite frankly, other than the first rounders (Justice, Winston, McNeil, Ferguson, etc), I think we might address the line in free agency or with our current roster.

Skeet84
03-05-2006, 07:27 PM
:shakeno:

the dumber picture


well I am glad to see that you have a inteligant response for me.

super_slash
03-05-2006, 07:41 PM
I tried reasoning, it is lost on you

what sane person would think we would sign Brees and draft a QB on day one?

Skeet84
03-05-2006, 07:43 PM
I tried reasoning, it is lost on you

what sane person would think we would sign Brees and draft a QB on day one?

I am guessing alot of people! Knowing that Drew Bree's had a serious shoulder injury and you never know when your starter is going down with an injury. A good back-up is a must in this league!

super_slash
03-05-2006, 07:45 PM
arguing in circles just because you insist on drafting a QB is really sad

FinNasty
03-05-2006, 08:05 PM
I also think Cromartie will be gone somewhere in the first round. Jacobs has really fallen....I think he is a Day Two pick. I think we are going to sign Brees next week.

How has Jacobs fallen? If anything... he has improved his stock... He wont make it to day 2...

FinNasty
03-05-2006, 08:21 PM
I tried reasoning, it is lost on you

what sane person would think we would sign Brees and draft a QB on day one?
I would draft Jacobs if we sign Brees. There is no guarentee that Brees works out (Because of his shoulder and he will be changing offenses)...

I mean, if there is a guy that is a much better value pick... you go with him... but drafting Jacobs wouldnt be out of the question.

I dont think however, that we would draft a QB higher than the 3rd if we signed Brees...

and... if Brees works out and Jacobs is looking promising... we can turn around and trade Jacobs for a 2nd rounder or more...

Skeet84
03-05-2006, 08:21 PM
arguing in circles just because you insist on drafting a QB is really sad


I am sorry I am not the only person that believes drafting another QB would be a good idea. Why don't you tell me why its such a bad idea? If you think trying to find a Nice Back-up that might be your QB of the future for your team is not a good than I really don't know what you are thinking.

Skeet84
03-05-2006, 08:22 PM
I would draft Jacobs if we sign Brees. There is no guarentee that Brees works out (Because of his shoulder and he will be changing offenses)...

I mean, if there is a guy that is a much better value pick... you go with him... but drafting Jacobs wouldnt be out of the question.

I dont think however, that we would draft a QB higher than the 3rd if we signed Brees...


I totally agree!!!